tony286

We will find out the real story soon enough. Its not like a job, there are lots of lawyers involved. lol

tony286

In the documentary,they hand him the check and tell him its an advance.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...1819/index.htm
Locking up an insanely great new bass player is no small thing. For Metallica, it meant searching far and wide for the perfect guy to fill the hole left when Jason Newsted departed. The band tapped Robert Trujillo - widely considered to be one of the finest bassists in all of rock - and promptly handed him a million-dollar advance.

Tom_PM

Some people who are referred to as dickheads, actually are dickheads. Of course it's easy to just bash anyone who makes less money than you and worship those who make more, but not everyone is a complete tool.

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I make fun of people like you, not because people don't occasionally fall on hard times, or that you make little to no money,... but because you are proud of it. Further, you joke about using welfare when you don't need it, not understanding that the money you are spending came out of our pockets. You advertise in your sig, not for a career.. but for random work that you can do at home like any 3rd worlder with English as a second language does for peanuts.

There are those rowing the boat for the benefit of all and there are those dragging their feet in the water....

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dyna mo

this i can see, if sambora has been a problem employee for 6-7 years, hell, yes, fire the guy and sort out the rest of the tour, i get that.

what i don't get, and was fun to play around with, is a 150 word news story with the only specific being- sambora asks for raise, gets fired.

Tom_PM

Lets clear a few things up here, jackass. When you are given foodstamps or welfare, the money is placed on a benefits card. When you go off foodstamps or welfare, you CAN NOT remove ANY of the remaining money from the card! They WILL NOT take it back! I fucking tried, shitstain. Of course you wouldn't know that since you're so loaded down with cash that you can't yank yourself away from the richest message board on the internet, go fuck yourself.

So even though I haven't needed social welfare for more than a year or more now, there is still money on the card. So I use the fucking money on the card, because as a fuckwit like yourself would never know, it's illegal to give it to someone else. That's one of the MANY abuses of the system that people like you usually bitch about! Illegal and fraudulent use of welfare, paying for drugs, letting someone else use the card in exchange for crack and shit like that. Did you understand? Will the last racehorse cross the finish line at long last?

By the way, if you think spending a couple grand of welfare money from the state of NY when you really need it is spending money from YOUR pocket, you're just showing your idiocy again. I've worked and paid taxes for 40 fucking years and I have a massive extended family going back well before welfare was ever established. By the time I go outside of my OWN money paid into welfare I'd have to be on it for a dozen years!

Please try to put some effort into your trolling from here on out. Lame attempts like this are just a waste of my work time. Which you'll no doubt be overjoyed to hear (again), I'm very nicely employed and doing well.

I should add that by talking about shit I mentioned to less than 3 people regarding my past employment, you're only violating what little trust they once had in you. Congrats on that.

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Grapesoda

while Eddy is a great player I would say it's Alex's band and no, the drummer could NOT be replaced. both Eddy AND Alex are crucial to the VH sound

Grapesoda

usually goers much deeper with bands... living on tour busses together for years before making any money is a breeding ground for issues that are demonstrated at latter time

Tom_PM

I saw Van Halen in the 70's on their second tour, first headlining tour. My brother and I met the band as they exited the building. Eddy with a hot chick on each arm and a beer in hand got into the back of limo 1. David, Alex and Michael got into the back of limo 2. Just for some perspective.

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AmeliaG

It has been a lot of years since I did this type of music journalism, but, if memory serves, to record his first demo for their eventual hit Runaway, Jon Bon Jovi traded like janitorial work for studio time and I don't think Sambora contributed to that track or was in the picture at all then. As I recall, guitar was provided by someone who went on to form Skid Row or Cinderella.

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Grapesoda

I only saw the video clip where Lar's says something to the effect of 'we want you in the band and here's a check for a million dollars because that's how serious we are' ... advance or not it's a very positive statement about Robert Trujillo's future with Metallica

candyflip

Gonna have to say that you're a bit wrong about this one. Gene and his manager Bill Aucoin were quite tight and what Gene said, Bill backed up. He might not have been doing the actual day to day "business stuff", be he most certainly was at the Helm steering the ship.

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Eddie is a violent drunk who often has temper tantrums. Even at that point, they didn't want to be with him all that much. Just for some perspective.

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Yes he did but Richie's work was important to the band becoming what it became.
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Since 1983, Bon Jovi have sold more than 120 milion albums worldwide, performed more than 3000 concerts in 50 countries before more than 36 million fans. Sambora has co-written five Number One hit singles, more than twenty Top Ten singles and nearly forty Top 40 songs, including the rock classics ?Wanted Dead or Alive,? ?Livin? On A Prayer,? ?It?s My Life? and ?You Give Love A Bad Name.? In 2006, the band?s song ?Who Says You Can?t Go Home? (co-written by Sambora and Bon Jovi) won The 2006 People?s Choice Award for ?Best Rock Song.? The country duet version of the song featuring Jennifer Nettles reigned as #1 on the Billboard Hot Country charts for two weeks (marking the first time a rock band has ever graced the top of the Country charts) and garnered CMT, CMA, ACM and Grammy nominations. The song took home a Best Collaborative Video from CMT and Bon Jovi earned their first ever Grammy Award for Best Country Collaboration With Vocals.

AmeliaG

According to ASCAP, Jon Bon Jovi has writing credits on 398 songs and Richie Sambora has writing credits on 340. Obviously both significant contributors, but you'd need to break that down with a spreadsheet to figure out which was greater and I doubt most fans would do that. And nobody is throwing hotel room keys at Desmond Child.

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Imagine, you could have used that money to help someone that needed it in any one of a 1000 ways... but you didn't. In fact, it clearly never even crossed your mind.

I would also not say "i'm loaded". I've made tons of money. I've blown tons of money. I've lost lots of money on various businesses. I've spent maybe 1/2 a million dollars just traveling. When I am running out of money, i have never found it too difficult to apply myself and start making more money. I blame myself. I believe in myself. I accept personal accountability for anything that goes wrong and I fix it. It is not difficult to make money in this business. It is not hard at all to make 5 figures a month. I make well into 5 figures a month just with PPC alone and work on it less than an hour a day. My problem is staying motivated. You post on here for years, posing as a PimpRoll employee begging for random work and defending welfare. You are supposed to be embarrassed and ashamed and it is supposed to be about lessons learned... not something you are proud of as you passively look for random grunt work with the stipulation that you can do it from the comfort of your home.

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kane

In my early 20's I wrote for a music magazine. I interviewed a lot of different bands and wrote about a lot of bands. Some of them were big, or got big at the time I was writing about them, but many of there were small bands that might have a small local fan base and were struggling to build a following and find success.

If there are two things you can count on from many bands it is flakiness and ego problems.

Musicians, at their core, are artists and it is rare that you can get a group together who all share the same vision. When you struggle to succeed you fight about which direction the band should go. When you do find success there is a good chance at least a few members of the band are not going to be very happy about the type of music you are playing and it will cause problem.

I have seen many bands just on the cusp of success, some of them having been offered major label deals, break up over the dumbest shit.

Something like what is happening with Bon Jovi is no shock. Sambora co-wrote just about every hit they have had, yet it is Jon's name on the band and he is the face of the band. I bet over time Richie just got fed up with it and decided he was just as responsible for the success of the band ans Jon and wanted more money. Add money to an already volatile relationship and you have explosions.

dyna mo

right on! nevertheless the band became iconic with sambora contributing to that chemsitry that takes a band to that level. the guy for skid row, not so much.

no problem being off about it, after all it's a casual discussion. my point is a band is more than the sum of it's parts. it's gestalt, an amalgamation that creates something bigger. to say gene simmons was they guy that not only fostered that, but thought it up and is responsible for it discounts so many other factors, one of which is complete luck.


a few points
1. i was under the impression bon jovi was known more for it's music rather than jovi's face, l-pink reminding me that they eploded with mtv makes sense combined with the dude's good looks. that's a different story but it's not out of the question to say that they achieved their status cranking out songs with sambora writing for quite a while, the merchandising and legacy tours and $500 tickets are certainly the rewards for that .

2. re: replacing band members, my point was some bands/band members just cannot be replaced. many (most?) can, no biggie, let's take it to its logical end, can an entire band be replaced? doubtful.

can alex van halen be replaced as bassist? he's a badd ass bassist but could be replaced, how would fans react to eddie firing alex?

hmmm......... that's what im' sayin,

SuckOnThis

dyna mo

it's a rhetorical question, of course you can't take alex out of van halen, that's the point. but he doesn't do anything on the bass another trick bassist cannot do. the argument up to this point by some has been most anyone in a band that is not the iconic face or front man can be replaced

my point was obviously fans would flip the fuck out if eddie fired alex.

dyna mo

it's gotcha thread huh! dang gotcha!

no, gothchoo,

ima getcha.

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dyna mo

can't we all get along like jonie and ritchie?

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SuckOnThis

Alex Van Halen is the drummer, Michael Anthony is the bass player.

MaDalton

i dont give a flying fuck if Sambora is playing.

i have actually played in a band and know what it means for the other members having to be on stage with someone that's being a dickwad and destroying the band chemistry.

Bon Jovi is Jons face and voice - it's completely irrelevant who plays the other instruments

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dyna mo

dude, again, i'm shooting the shit here, i'm not trying to pass a rock and roll quiz. that shit is a millisecond away and you & i both know that. nevertheless, if eddie fired alex they could not necc replace him to the fans satisfaction, it doesn't matter if alex played drums bass or kazoo.

watch out richie!

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Shot down in a blaze of glory.

SuckOnThis

I guess, but why say shit like 'he's a badass bassist' when you don't know what instrument he actually plays?

dyna mo

here's an article from 2 days ago, saying ritchie retired/quit.

After 30 years as the lead guitarist of the iconic rock 'n roll band Bon Jovi, Richie Sambora has announced his departure from the band. This news comes in the middle of the bands "Because We Can" tour, which will go on as scheduled. Sambora has allegedly been missing a number of these concert dates this year, leading up to his retirement from the band. There have been no statements from the specific people involved, but spokespeople have made some announcements.
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"There were a lot of well-documented problems, so this was the best decision for now," a source said of Richie's quitting. A representative for Bon Jovi had no comment.

http://www.mstarz.com/articles/18353...-2013-tour.htm



here's a video with him talking about it 2 months ago

dyna mo

ok farva, you got me good. awesome prank farva

feel better now?


good now go get us coffee,

dyna mo

and ftr, every musician in van halen is badd ass, again, that was my fucking point.

Phoenix

why do you guys care?
they are all rich mofos.

since this thread started...i did work to further my own businesses.
fuck this idol worship

reap the whirlwind

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No, actually I don't. I was disgusted by squealers comments to tom earlier and told myself I was going to be more civil on here, but damn man, don't make it so easy.

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Conan O'Brien had a great interview how he envied musicians vs. being a comic. He wouldn't do benefits because everyone always wants to hear new jokes and it was too much pressure. Where as if you're in a grandfathered rock band with a few hits you just roll out and play the same song from 30 years ago and everyone loves you. A comedian always needs fresh material.

An interesting take on things.

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dyna mo

look, i'm shooting the shit about a hair band. i'm not going to be fact checking. all i know is i was abotu 14 years old in 1978 when that first vh album came out. i crankded that fucker front to back. i'm not the worlds biggest vh fan i'm simply shooting the shit about music. you can lurk and wait for opportunities to gotcha people or not, either way, but my pooint about vh has nothing to do with that, it was simply showing that some bands have band members that cannot be replaced.

facialfreak

For the past 3.5 years, Michael has not played bass, but this job was perfomed by Wolfgang Van Halen, and he does a very good job at bringing some new blood into the band!

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Conan copied that observation almost word for word from comments made by Howard Stern on his radio show years ago, fyi.

Tom_PM

Hey, bro, I've made 5 figures a month too, and less than that too and never been as cocky and arrogant as you come off. You don't seem to understand much about the foodstamp system in my state and I'm done trying to educate you, but the fact is that while I've been down before I've also helped those who've been down. I think I have a couple hundred bucks in long ago allocated money on my benefits card, what would you suggest? Let me guess, you have no suggestions because you're about cheap shots, not actually doing anything.

You are delusional in referring to me as "posing" as a PimpRoll employee. I told you in the first reply to your first accusation about that months ago that nobody asked me to change my name and I think I even brought it up. I also had an active email address while I wasn't employed for a time. Do you NOT think they have their own brains? Who is it that you're actually trying to insult here?

I never posted any begging threads and made A SINGLE thread here that I was looking for ... WORK. That's what I found too by the way, for those like you not keeping score. I've got absolutely nothing to hide and you should know that you need to get over that and get on with your life. That fact that seems to stick in your craw as you said is I don't act like I feel ashamed or embarrassed and you seem to not understand that I speak out DESPITE having had those feelings in the past. To put it shortly, you apparently wouldn't know strength if you saw it.

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rowan

Wasn't it an advance rather than a bonus? ie, he still has to earn that money.

patrique007

I will never understand why these people, earning already huge money, just can't get enough. They always point out that they love to be on stage, they'd die for their music....FUCK, they just love the money!

Jman

I am sure there is more to the story then just asking for a raise.

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They cut him in for a 1/4 share moving forward...so he probably made that money within the first week. He has writing credits for every song on deth magnetic and the band tours like no other

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