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edgeprod · 12-10-2014, 12:28 PM

Nothing the government does would surprise me any longer.

slapass · 12-10-2014, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

dumbfuck, it was an observation of your gfy internet psych diagnosis. If you think that was an assesment, you truly are over your head when you try to communicate with the adults.

a beer? Huh? having a beer with a gfy dumbfuck like you has never crossed my mind so I truly have no idea where the fuck that comment comes from. no, I prefer drinking beer with people who are enjoyable to be around and can carry on an adult convo, that's why I've never entertained even slightly the notion of having a beer with your ilk.

I think you missed your meds this morning.

dyna mo · 12-10-2014, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

I think you missed your meds this morning.

no, you missed the fact I initially participated in your thread but your too butthurt over something I've posted in the past, although I have no idea waht. That explains away why you feel the need to drive-by troll my posts elsewhere in addition to how you are towards me in this thread.

either way, whoopie. while I may have missed my morning meds, you clearly miss realizing this place is a joke. learn that and lighten up about what some gfyer named dyna mo has to say about some bullshit topic.

then gofuckyourself.

simina · 12-10-2014, 02:43 PM

Some call it torture, some call it tough love. It's all about the POV
[I personaly think OP is right]

aka123 · 12-10-2014, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

This is like the Snowden thing. Did you think the govt left your emails alone? Your facebook? Phone calls?

I assume they listen to and read everything. Why wouldn't they?

Same with torture. Why wouldn't they use it? I was surprised at how primitive it seemed to be though. Where are the jumper cables? The psycho drugs? etc?

You assuming something makes it OK? Or what is the core message in here? We shouldn't be surprised? "Oh no, not United States? Not the land of freedom (excluding niggas and indians).

RummyBoy · 12-10-2014, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by simina

Some call it torture, some call it tough love. It's all about the POV
[I personaly think OP is right]

Well you may be right in one way. An analogy - if the government increases top bracket of income tax it generally affects a small group of people likewise torture affects a small group.

The brunt will fall on the armed forces and American POWs should expect to receive more in the way of torture in coming years and probably this release will now forever be used as one more thing used to support those kinds of activities.

So it may have been predictable but is it a good thing? It's going to make life very difficult for US armed forces.

Here's a simple example. Bin Laden always talked about his ambition to use nuclear weapons to destroy entire cities the United States and when challenged in interviews, he always justified their use as being because the United States had already used them previously in WWII.

bronco67 · 12-11-2014, 12:15 AM

We did what we thought was the best thing to do at the time. Come to find out, the information gathered from people being tortured is not very reliable. We got Bin Laden by being good investigators...not by twisting some camel jockey's nutsack with pliers.

TampaToker · 12-11-2014, 01:58 AM

Can someone please link me to the Republicans report they put out on this issue on Tuesday please....

slapass · 12-11-2014, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

You assuming something makes it OK? Or what is the core message in here? We shouldn't be surprised? "Oh no, not United States? Not the land of freedom (excluding niggas and indians).

My point is, we all knew it was going on and tolerated it as a society. To now prosecute the people who did it, it is very wrong. Also based on this thread and my facebook, the american people are pro torture.

RummyBoy · 12-11-2014, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

To now prosecute the people who did it, it is very wrong.

Well if it was with permission of the government, then probably I agree.

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Also based on this thread and my facebook, the american people are pro torture.

The problem arises where the US endorses a non-torture policy and/or signs international agreements banning the use of torture and then does the exact opposite. It's fine to engage in torture but then at least admit you're policy stance on the matter and don't complain if other nations/groups/entities reciprocate with more extreme torture on American citizens. Of course, these revelations will now further be used by ISIS, Al Qaida to strengthen support for their fight, justify torture etc.

I mean this should be common sense stuff, right? It doesn't take a genius....

slapass · 12-11-2014, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RummyBoy

Well if it was with permission of the government, then probably I agree.

The problem arises where the US endorses a non-torture policy and/or signs international agreements banning the use of torture and then does the exact opposite. It's fine to engage in torture but then at least admit you're policy stance on the matter and don't complain if other nations/groups/entities reciprocate with more extreme torture on American citizens.

I mean this should be common sense stuff, right? It doesn't take a genius....

Agreed. I think you need to notice that American citizens are tortured and killed when captured by extremists. Maybe we need a way to delineate?

RummyBoy · 12-11-2014, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Agreed. I think you need to notice that American citizens are tortured and killed when captured by extremists.

No-one ever said that they don't and I'm sure they would not have signed any international agreements prohibiting the use of torture. Anyway, there is big difference between a terror group and a super power state that is supposed to hold moral high ground.

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Maybe we need a way to delineate?

Delineate? No, its simple - just openly state a policy of "we are free to use torture" (why lie about it?) but as I said, don't expect no-one else to use torture against American personnel. Obviously, it goes both ways......

It's a good idea to just come clean but I mean just from the fact that American armed forces compose a larger part of fighting forces in foreign countries than any other countries armed forces, I suppose its obvious that the USA would have much more to lose from doing that individually than anyone else.

aka123 · 12-11-2014, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

My point is, we all knew it was going on and tolerated it as a society. To now prosecute the people who did it, it is very wrong. Also based on this thread and my facebook, the american people are pro torture.

The rest of the world might not be as OK with US torturing people, especially foreign people. If you would torture just your own citizens it would be more OK, just like in North Korea, Soviet Union, China, etc.

Well, you have so much "friends" already, so I guess it won't hurt that much to make a few more.

By the way, one big reason for Soviet Union's economic fall was its massive spy, etc. program. Not that it would have anything similar to US anti-terrorist program.

thecatwrites · 12-11-2014, 07:16 AM

Vicious cycle if you'll ask me. Hate begets hate

michael.kickass · 12-11-2014, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD

dyna mo · 12-11-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

My point is, we all knew it was going on and tolerated it as a society. To now prosecute the people who did it, it is very wrong. Also based on this thread and my facebook, the american people are pro torture.

based on this thread and your facebook you make a sweeping conclusion about 350 million people.

jeusus fucking christ you are a fucking mental midget.

PornDiscounts-V · 12-11-2014, 09:37 AM

Bottom line: we got nothing from it but pie in our face.

dyna mo · 12-11-2014, 09:38 AM

I've just reviewed this entire thread and there's not 1 single fucking post by an AMerican being pro-torture.

OP is fucking dolt.

slapass · 12-11-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

The rest of the world might not be as OK with US torturing people, especially foreign people. If you would torture just your own citizens it would be more OK, just like in North Korea, Soviet Union, China, etc.

Well, you have so much "friends" already, so I guess it won't hurt that much to make a few more.

By the way, one big reason for Soviet Union's economic fall was its massive spy, etc. program. Not that it would have anything similar to US anti-terrorist program.

I agree we should do away with it. I think the cost out ways the reward. I did know we tortured people as we had the place to do it, and we couldn't close it because we did not know what to do with those we had tortured. Sort of seems if I knew, then the rest of the world was already in on the secret.

thecatwrites · 12-13-2014, 01:21 AM

Layers and layers of coverup muddle the truth

klinton · 12-13-2014, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

ask the native americans or negroes about how the US gov treated them

oh and my shit hole 3rd world country has, depending on what year, at least 100x smaller murder rate by cop, at best 200x less people are killed by cops every year

cant find precise statistics, because 100+ people are killed total, but the huge majority is by criminals not cops, and US cops kill 400 in just one year...

dont feel bad tho, we have 20-40x less rape than the USA (this is per capita not total) so you can now proceed to call me a rapist

just don't tell him about medical services prices because his brain will explode or he will start to cry like a baby ;-)

klinton · 12-13-2014, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

OK, OK, you're right.

I'll leave you to argue with the others. I have work to do.

pimpmaster9000 · 12-13-2014, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

But when the anti-american bullshitters chimed in,

think of it this way, a true friend does not pat you on the back when you do a bad thing...keeping quiet about something that will cost you dearly in the future is not anti-american...pointing out the obvious flaws in your system, may be none of our business, if you were switzerland or norway, countries that kinda mind their own business and not tell others how to live...but you are the USA...you are "the spice in every stew"

telling others how to live left and right...it is only friendly of others to point out your mistakes as constructive criticism...

this whole torture business will cost you dearly as a nation...it is pure gold for isis and alquaida and everybody who has an agenda against you...it makes you the same as the terrorists (ok you drop much much much more bombs than them) in the sense that you are full of bullshit...

I really wish all the best for the USA, it does not make my life any better if any of you suffer or anybody else

killerbunny · 12-13-2014, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Seth Manson

He's mad because his sister was giving blowjobs to the US soldiers, and he didnt get one.

haahahaahhahahahah...

cable2300 · 12-18-2014, 02:25 PM

I love that move ZERO DARK THIRTY......

I know what my government does and sleep better know it does go on.

fappingJack · 12-19-2014, 02:11 AM

Stupid system.

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12-10-2014, 12:28 PM	#51
edgeprod Permanently Gone Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,019	Nothing the government does would surprise me any longer.

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simina Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 36	Some call it torture, some call it tough love. It's all about the POV [I personaly think OP is right]

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12-11-2014, 09:38 AM	#68
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,656	I've just reviewed this entire thread and there's not 1 single fucking post by an AMerican being pro-torture. OP is fucking dolt.

12-13-2014, 01:21 AM	#70
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