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Old 12-17-2014, 08:11 AM   #1
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US Citizens might be allowed now to go to Cuba.....

Obamer is about to announce some crazy shit in 2 hours regarding policy changes


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Old 12-17-2014, 08:18 AM   #2
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Goodbye Cuba as we know it.... let the invasion begin.
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Goodbye Cuba as we know it.... let the invasion begin.
Maybe they'll start jihading too, as response to an American invasion?
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US Citizens might be allowed now to go to Cuba.....
I thought they are free and allowed to go anywhere they want...
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I thought they are free and allowed to go anywhere they want...
It is not a good idea for them to visit Irak
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I thought they are free and allowed to go anywhere they want...
you really are reaching with this one..
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you really are reaching with this one..
An embargo on the movement of goods and people is akin to a tax and the opposite of freedom. He's not reaching at all, but you might be to downplay it.
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Cubans can now leave the country providing they have some sort of papers to another. They no longer need the exit visa they needed before.

I have been to Cuba about 8 times and Im American. You just needed to go via a third country. With this change it could become legal to go direct again and not only for Humanitarian reasons.
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i knew this would happen someday - just glad i went before ;)

and now i just read the 3 cuban guys that were jailed in Florida will be released, that should be huge, there were pictures of them all over Cuba to release them already
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Like you been dreaming all this time to?
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Cubans can now leave the country providing they have some sort of papers to another. They no longer need the exit visa they needed before.

I have been to Cuba about 8 times and Im American. You just needed to go via a third country. With this change it could become legal to go direct again and not only for Humanitarian reasons.
I met quite a few Americans in Cuba over the years
They flew in from Canada or Mexico .
They had no issues coming in or getting out , and enjoyed their stay as people were welcoming to them ... naturally, they were not there undercover assets or breaking the law ...
This is the end of the Cuba I know ...
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An embargo on the movement of goods and people is akin to a tax and the opposite of freedom. He's not reaching at all, but you might be to downplay it.
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He should be more worried about Russia's currency and economy collapsing, and what desperate measures Russia will take to stop the crash. It's mostly our fault imposing all the sanctions and blockades on them so they can't borrow money. They need to use this opportunity to get Putin the fuck out of the Ukraine and restore that region ASAP.
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read and comprehend your link .... Americans could not just decide to go to Cuba .. as they would to Mexico or Jamaica ....
Sure there were travellers. On dec 5th 2014, at Holguin Airport, there was a American Airlines plane scheduled for departure ....I did not take a pic of it ...
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I've always gone to Cuba without permission.

Honestly, what kind of a person, especially an American who boasts about freedom, asks permission from their own government to go somewhere? You're free or you're not. You support the troops because they "fight for your freedom," yet you must ask permission to visit select countries or not permitted at all. Truly bizarre.
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I can't understand why some people feel okay with Cuba being locked in time in the 1950's so that wealthy tourists can go there and visit it like a museum and say "how quaint".

This article is worth a read for anybody who might lament the passing of Cuba "as we know it":

Welcome to Cuba | World Affairs Journal

Cuba as we know it now is a repressive police state shit-hole with no freedom for its people. Everyone should be saying good riddance to Cuba as we know it.




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Cuba as we know it now is a repressive police state shit-hole with no freedom for its people. Everyone should be saying good riddance to Cuba as we know it.
Haiti is a shit hole. Cubans have it made compared to some of their "free" neighbors. Free education, free healthcare... that stuff comes at a cost. I'm not saying I support that, but they are going to be really ass out when they no longer get those things and have no skills whatsoever. Then the wealthy (and everyone else) will pour into Cuba, visit all the foreign businesses that will set up there, and 99% of the Cubans will get nothing from any of it. It's a messed up situation to be in, and there isn't a simple solution. Their freedom (whenever that happens) is going to come at a great cost I'm afraid. Look to their neighbors for shining examples of what will become of most of Cuba.

I wish it were that easy to ditch their government and open the place up, but it's not. It's going to come at a cost.
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and of course people like Marco Rubio are already steaming about what stupidity Obama has just committed.
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I can't understand why some people feel okay with Cuba being locked in time in the 1950's so that wealthy tourists can go there and visit it like a museum and say "how quaint".

This article is worth a read for anybody who might lament the passing of Cuba "as we know it":

Welcome to Cuba | World Affairs Journal

Cuba as we know it now is a repressive police state shit-hole with no freedom for its people. Everyone should be saying good riddance to Cuba as we know it.





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the guy admits to lying from the first to the last word ..... when entering...

no laptop ? batshit crazy, I always have a laptop + tabledg + smart phone ...

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Haiti is a shit hole. Cubans have it made compared to some of their "free" neighbors. Free education, free healthcare... that stuff comes at a cost. I'm not saying I support that, but they are going to be really ass out when they no longer get those things and have no skills whatsoever. Then the wealthy (and everyone else) will pour into Cuba, visit all the foreign businesses that will set up there, and 99% of the Cubans will get nothing from any of it. It's a messed up situation to be in, and there isn't a simple solution. Their freedom (whenever that happens) is going to come at a great cost I'm afraid. Look to their neighbors for shining examples of what will become of most of Cuba.

I wish it were that easy to ditch their government and open the place up, but it's not. It's going to come at a cost.
Yes, Haiti is also a shit hole, but for different reasons. But that is beside the point. There are many shit holes in this world.

What good is free education when you can't do anything with it? And most of their "free education" is no doubt full of marxist/communist/revolutionary dogma, revised history and brainwashing. Getting no education would be better than getting that kind of education.

And is this the "free healthcare" you are referring to?:

Hospital Clínico Quirúrgico
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Free does not mean good.

Cuba was better off before the revolution. Sure they may have needed a revolution but a communist revolution made things infinitely worse.




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probably the best decision

i was sure this day would be coming, i just thought it would be after 2018 when the Castros resigned

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The 50 year embargo did nothing for the Cuban people, it just hardened and isolated Castro. The Cuban Revolution was inevitable and necessary, Kennedy admitted the US got what it deserved. Relations should have been normalized decades ago, there'd have been a better chance of reforming Castro that way than continuing the embargo.
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What good is free education when you can't do anything with it?

Free does not mean good.
Cuban doctors are some of the best in the world. A lot of Cubans do get out of Cuba to work abroad. They are even all the way over here in Asia.

Not everyone is trapped there.

Their system is far from perfect, but none of them (except the wealthy) would be able to go to school or afford healthcare otherwise. It is much, much better than nothing. Again, compare Cuba to their neighbors. Cubans run circles around them in literacy, healthy care, and education. Unfortunately, that comes at a cost. They can't have it both ways. Only Cubans can decide which way they want it, but both isn't an option.
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Wondering .... will Cuba join NATO ??????

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We were just looking at buying a 20 Hectare ranch there for 15 K. but now I dont think it will be worth it. Something tells me there will be another land grab right before it truly opens.
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and of course people like Marco Rubio are already steaming about what stupidity Obama has just committed.
I know I saw that today - he is really pissed off.

Didn't Rubio's parents come to the US from Cuba though? Or was it Rubio himself?
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We were just looking at buying a 20 Hectare ranch there for 15 K. but now I dont think it will be worth it. Something tells me there will be another land grab right before it truly opens.
are you cuban ? or getting married to a cuban ?
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It is not Americans that will ruin cuba experience. It will be the resign of castro that will end cuba as we know it.
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