That police officer/homicidal maniac was pulling the black guy over due to 3rd brake light being out

[VikingMan]

Most cars only have two brake lights but this older Mercedes has the extra brake light in the back window. Stupid cop used that as an excuse to pull this guy over. Unreal.

here is the dash cam video

LiveLeak.com - Police Dash Cam Video of SC Officer Pulling Over Walter Scott

[Coup]

So, basically what you're saying is, he had it coming?


Agreed

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Coup

So, basically what you're saying is, he had it coming?


Agreed

He did run...

[dyna mo]

all cars since 1996 have 3 tail lights. that's a law. break a law and get pulled over. doesn't mean you get in a physical fight with the cop and end up shot in the back dead and have a taser planted next to you.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crockett

He did run...

Police dash cam video link ... Police video shows Walter Scott running from car

[Coup]

People who have cars that aren't in perfect working order should be gunned down in the street. I've been saying this for years.

My hat goes off to this brave officer for inflicting the proper amount of justice on this violent, taillight non-haver.

[Horatio Caine]

Shit could have been over at 1:52 . I'll be right back Sir, sign this ticket, you have two weeks to come by county court building. Done and drive away. But no.

[L-Pink]

Goodnight

[AMDWarrior]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

Most cars only have two brake lights but this older Mercedes has the extra brake light in the back window. Stupid cop used that as an excuse to pull this guy over. Unreal.

here is the dash cam video

LiveLeak.com - Police Dash Cam Video of SC Officer Pulling Over Walter Scott

Your mom shoulda swallowed.

[baddog]

He had a warrant for his arrest didn't he? A traffic stop is how Timothy McVeigh was caught. Lots of people get busted for bigger things as the result of a burned out bulb.

[MetaMan]

I love the USA, but it is a fucking sick place in this aspect. Everything is illegal. No you are not free by any means. When you travel to other places and you go back into the USA you can really feel the difference when it comes to freedom.

The police are out to make the general population into criminals. Just because there are millions are unnecessary laws does not make it ok to enforce them. The police have lost touch with helping society and are strictly there as enforcement.

[JJ Gold]

Not defending the officer but the dude who got shot didn't pay his child support on his 4 kids but had enough scratch to roll in a beater Benz. He was an asshole. Not saying he deserved to get iced but I am not going to defend him either.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

all cars since 1996 have 3 tail lights. that's a law. break a law and get pulled over. doesn't mean you get in a physical fight with the cop and end up shot in the back dead and have a taser planted next to you.

You don't get that much pulled over for broken lights around here. If you do, the reason is usually not just the broken light; they want to check you out in general.

Broken light is not that much breaking the law, unless you take some THAT IS THE LAW!! attitude, that doesn't of course apply to crimes made by police. People usually fix the broken lights without police pulling them over.

[j3rkules]

You can talk all day long about how the black guy is a scumbag - he clearly was. A minor scumbag, not a murderer or pedophile or anything, but a scumbag. However:

1. Police officer lied in his report and attempted to plant a weapon on the deceased.

2. Reasonable force. Unarmed middle-aged man running away from you very slowly? Tackle or tazer. 8 shots in the back? Shit no.

[candyflip]

Two idiots in the situation. Both got fucked as a result of their stupidity.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

Not defending the officer but the dude who got shot didn't pay his child support on his 4 kids but had enough scratch to roll in a beater Benz. He was an asshole. Not saying he deserved to get iced but I am not going to defend him either.

You don't have to defend the guy to also acknowledge that the cop was a scumbag and did everything wrong. I'm not sure why everyone sees this as "one or the other." They both screwed up. The cop did way more than screwup.

Shot needlessly
Planted evidence
Lied on every report

Any cop that can't acknowledge this was fucked should not be trusted either.

[brassmonkey]

well the kids will get a nice nest egg if the family sues im sure they will

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

You don't get that much pulled over for broken lights around here. If you do, the reason is usually not just the broken light; they want to check you out in general.

Broken light is not that much breaking the law, unless you take some THAT IS THE LAW!! attitude, that doesn't of course apply to crimes made by police. People usually fix the broken lights without police pulling them over.

laws are laws. if we want police to act like police, then police enforce laws. if someone is breaking a law, they receive a citation. it doesn't matter if you or someone else thinks a particular law is trivial and cops shouldn't enforce it.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

laws are laws. if we want police to act like police, then police enforce laws. if someone is breaking a law, they receive a citation. it doesn't matter if you or someone else thinks a particular law is trivial and cops shouldn't enforce it.

Apparently in US you have mixture of hard punishments, lack of common sense and criminal cops.

"Laws are the laws, fuck yeah. If your tail light burns out, we fill fucking beat you."

Police is supposed to prioritize things. And police is supposed to serve the community, that is above all its purpose. Enforcing laws is just part of that. Harassing people over burned lights is not very much serving the community. Lights get burned as those are used, there are always cars with lights burned. And police is not supposed to be some light inspector. We have somewhat annual vehicle inspections for that (not done by police).

I am not saying that police can't sometimes stop a car to notice about burned light, but it sure as hell isn't its main task.

[Rochard]

Not caring why he was pulled over. If your brake light or tail light is out, that's valid reason to get pulled over. The truth is minor violations like this tend to lead to much bigger things.

While this is clearly not a justification for what happened, it surely is a valid reason to pull someone over.

[klinton]

lol, what country is it ?

looks like total shithole:w inkwink:

is it South Africa, Nigeria or Russia ?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by aka123

I am not saying that police can't sometimes stop a car to notice about burned light, but it sure as hell isn't its main task.

It's an excuse, a way to get a foot in the door for something bigger. It's standard police procedure to look for something incriminating or find a reason to write an expensive ticket for a paperwork problem, insurance usually.

[epitome]

The point, which many seem to be missing:

Since the US claims to be a first world country, officers do not have the right to shoot someone in the back for fleeing from them unless they are a threat to the officer, or the public. Fleeing is not reason enough to be shot in the back. Brake lights, warrants for non-violent crime, or otherwise.

A gun is supposed to be their very last line of DEFENSE.

Flee from a cop? Their job is to arrest you and let the judge through the book at you. They are not allowed to play judge and end your life because you're making their job difficult. There was a reason cops used to have to be in shape (whatever happened to that?). It was so they could chase your ass down if need be.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by epitome

They are not allowed to play judge and end your life because you're making their job difficult. There was a reason cops used to have to be in shape (whatever happened to that?). It was so they could chase your ass down if need be.

If you watch the helicopter video from that San Bernardino ordeal you will notice that almost every single one of those deputies is out of shape.

The FBI just announced that they are going to start requiring physical tests again. I read through it, they didn't look that difficult, but difficult enough that it should weed out some of the slackers and make the rest pick up the pace.

Firemen have to stay in shape for their job. Law enforcement should as well.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Not caring why he was pulled over. If your brake light or tail light is out, that's valid reason to get pulled over. The truth is minor violations like this tend to lead to much bigger things.

While this is clearly not a justification for what happened, it surely is a valid reason to pull someone over.

i personally dont think its a valid reason for cops to go 4th amendment on a person.

yes, they wrote up the laws so that it is legal/valid for a cop to pull over a person. But in my opinion, its bullshit to be pulled over cause a little light over your license plate is out. public safety is not at risk if is harder to see a license plate. they are hard to read even when the lights all work.

they set up the law so they have nit picky reasons to pull you over if they are suspicious of you. They can pull you over if your car is too loud or if your tint is too dark. just lame excuses so in court they get around having only a cops whim as the reason for a stop.

at this point theres enough bullshit in the law that a cop can stop you for anything. that can make it feel like a police state. let me smoke a bowl beside a lake without getting hassled. supposed to be the land of liberty, USA.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

i personally dont think its a valid reason for cops to go 4th amendment on a person.

yes, they wrote up the laws so that it is legal/valid for a cop to pull over a person. But in my opinion, its bullshit to be pulled over cause a little light over your license plate is out. public safety is not at risk if is harder to see a license plate. they are hard to read even when the lights all work.

they set up the law so they have nit picky reasons to pull you over if they are suspicious of you. They can pull you over if your car is too loud or if your tint is too dark. just lame excuses so in court they get around having only a cops whim as the reason for a stop.

at this point theres enough bullshit in the law that a cop can stop you for anything. that can make it feel like a police state. let me smoke a bowl beside a lake without getting hassled. supposed to be the land of liberty, USA.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

i personally dont think its a valid reason for cops to go 4th amendment on a person.

yes, they wrote up the laws so that it is legal/valid for a cop to pull over a person. But in my opinion, its bullshit to be pulled over cause a little light over your license plate is out. public safety is not at risk if is harder to see a license plate. they are hard to read even when the lights all work.

they set up the law so they have nit picky reasons to pull you over if they are suspicious of you. They can pull you over if your car is too loud or if your tint is too dark. just lame excuses so in court they get around having only a cops whim as the reason for a stop.

at this point theres enough bullshit in the law that a cop can stop you for anything. that can make it feel like a police state. let me smoke a bowl beside a lake without getting hassled. supposed to be the land of liberty, USA.

i can see what you are saying but from my view, what you describe is not part of the cop problem, it's part of the government problem. Cops can't cherrypick which laws on the books are worthy of being enforced or not at the same time we are needing cops to be more accountable for honoring the laws.

[The Dawg]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i can see what you are saying but from my view, what you describe is not part of the cop problem, it's part of the government problem. Cops can't cherrypick which laws on the books are worthy of being enforced or not at the same time we are needing cops to be more accountable for honoring the laws.

They do all the time.

You are not supposed to turn a corner without using your signal. Not a BIG DEAL, but a cop that feels like being an ass will pull you over if he feels like it.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by The Dawg

They do all the time.

You are not supposed to turn a corner without using your signal. Not a BIG DEAL, but a cop that feels like being an ass will pull you over if he feels like it.

not using a turn signal when turning is a BIG DEAL.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

not using a turn signal when turning is a BIG DEAL.

Yup. And I hate every mother fucking person that does it... with a passion.

Lazy pricks

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i can see what you are saying but from my view, what you describe is not part of the cop problem, it's part of the government problem. Cops can't cherrypick which laws on the books are worthy of being enforced or not at the same time we are needing cops to be more accountable for honoring the laws.

Police unions routinely lobby and have a big influence on what should be legal or not. Marijuana is a big one, cops are against any type of legalization. Why? Because it allows them to search any vehicle, all they have to say is they smelled pot. And then there's the forfeiture aspect. Cops look out for themselves, not the people they are hired to protect.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i can see what you are saying but from my view, what you describe is not part of the cop problem, it's part of the government problem. Cops can't cherrypick which laws on the books are worthy of being enforced or not at the same time we are needing cops to be more accountable for honoring the laws.

This "cherrypicking" is called as prioritizing and it is part of police training and job, at least in first world countries. Also it is part of serving the community and public relations. Police is supposed to use and it uses judgement. For example; around here police has power to give verbal warning or ticket in minor cases, aka use judgement, common sense. Similarly "no one" seriously expects or even hopes police to react to every single little violation that occurs in this world. Not all violations are equal to start with; there is large scale of different violations, by law.

If you feel that you have been neglected; now go to nearest police station and report every shit you have done. Don't forget the burned light bulbs.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Police unions routinely lobby and have a big influence on what should be legal or not. Marijuana is a big one, cops are against any type of legalization. Why? Because it allows them to search any vehicle, all they have to say is they smelled pot. And then there's the forfeiture aspect. Cops look out for themselves, not the people they are hired to protect.

I know a number of police officers who are for legalization of marijuana. My girl deals with it day in and day out. She thinks it's a waste of time, money and other resources.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

I love the USA, but it is a fucking sick place in this aspect. Everything is illegal. No you are not free by any means. When you travel to other places and you go back into the USA you can really feel the difference when it comes to freedom.

The police are out to make the general population into criminals. Just because there are millions are unnecessary laws does not make it ok to enforce them. The police have lost touch with helping society and are strictly there as enforcement.

Police are now part of a profit generating machine. They feed the cities and states with lots of money in fines and fees. Everything from court costs to being charged ridiculous rates to use the phone while in jail. It's all just a giant profit making scam.

It's like here in central FL, they put up red light cameras everywhere. Suddenly they notice a massive drop in ticket income because no one is running red lights.. There are also less crashes.. What did they do? They started removing the cameras because it was hurting city profits..

Then there is the entire for profit driven prison industry..

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crockett

Police are now part of a profit generating machine. They feed the cities and states with lots of money in fines and fees. Everything from court costs to being charged ridiculous rates to use the phone while in jail. It's all just a giant profit making scam.

It's like here in central FL, they put up red light cameras everywhere. Suddenly they notice a massive drop in ticket income because no one is running red lights.. There are also less crashes.. What did they do? They started removing the cameras because it was hurting city profits..

Then there is the entire for profit driven prison industry..

Don't forgot asset seizure, I personally know a person that lost a house another guy a truck.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by candyflip

I know a number of police officers who are for legalization of marijuana. My girl deals with it day in and day out. She thinks it's a waste of time, money and other resources.

Thats true, but most aren't. Here in Colorado it was law enforcement that was the biggest opponent against legalization. When it did pass they filed a lawsuit to attempt to overturn legalization.

Sheriffs sue Colorado over legal marijuana

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Thats true, but most aren't. Here in Colorado it was law enforcement that was the biggest opponent against legalization. When it did pass they filed a lawsuit to attempt to overturn legalization.

Sheriffs sue Colorado over legal marijuana

Sheriffs are voted in officials, if the public wants legal pot vote them out for not representing their interests.

Hell, Hunter S Thompson was a sheriff in Colorado.

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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

This "cherrypicking" is called as prioritizing and it is part of police training and job, at least in first world countries. Also it is part of serving the community and public relations. Police is supposed to use and it uses judgement. For example; around here police has power to give verbal warning or ticket in minor cases, aka use judgement, common sense. Similarly "no one" seriously expects or even hopes police to react to every single little violation that occurs in this world. Not all violations are equal to start with; there is large scale of different violations, by law.

If you feel that you have been neglected; now go to nearest police station and report every shit you have done. Don't forget the burned light bulbs.

i'm referring to the system/policy level, not the priority at the time level. of course cops have to prioritize, jtfc. for the 3rd time, it makes no sense to be in here arguing that cops need to be more accountable to the laws and at the same time argue that they don't have to hold up the ones some of you think are silly. like turn signaling. someone thinks turn signals are not important, someone else here thinks license plates lights are not important.

do you see where this is going? it's going off the deep end, everyone will have their particular law they think the cops should not enforce, driving 65, no open container or texting? fuck that i can drive better than most with an open coor's light in my hand texting the g/f re: what shirt i'm wearing to the party saturday.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i can see what you are saying but from my view, what you describe is not part of the cop problem, it's part of the government problem. Cops can't cherrypick which laws on the books are worthy of being enforced or not at the same time we are needing cops to be more accountable for honoring the laws.

yeah it is a govt problem. but the types of people they hire as cops is a big factor in these problems with police overreach. the cop that killed that kid in cleveland, had known issues with stress. as the society gives cops a lot of leeway in killing people (refer to eric garners death bringing no charges) its urgent that the cops not hire hotheads like Daniel Pantaleo. that speaks to your thread about preemptive monitoring of language to predict deviant behavior.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Sheriffs are voted in officials, if the public wants legal pot vote them out for not representing their interests.

Hell, Hunter S Thompson was a sheriff in Colorado.

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Thompson was not a sheriff, he ran but did not win.

Funny you mention him though, in his house he posted a note next to his phone that said 'Never call 911'. He hated law enforcement, didn't trust them, which is why he ran for sheriff.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Thompson was not a sheriff, he ran but did not win.

Funny you mention him though, in his house he posted a note next to his phone that said 'Never call 911'. He hated law enforcement, didn't trust them, which is why he ran for sheriff.

I always thought he won. Anyway, sheriff departments do show how some law enforcement officers are on the job. They run for office, get elected. Great qualifications huh?

[JJ Gold]

Every cop is a criminal and all the Sinners, Saints.

[RebelR]

I know that there's cellphone footage of the one cop dropping what appears to be a tazer after the suspect is shot, but was it before or after the cop shot him, that he was yelling "tazer, tazer, tazer"?

[CarlosTheGaucho]

I wonder why did the guy ran away from his car in the first place - I mean what is the worst thing that can happen to you when you get pulled over with no papers on you?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by epitome

The point, which many seem to be missing:

Since the US claims to be a first world country, officers do not have the right to shoot someone in the back for fleeing from them unless they are a threat to the officer, or the public. Fleeing is not reason enough to be shot in the back. Brake lights, warrants for non-violent crime, or otherwise.

It's not missing at all.... Because we are a first world country, the police officer was quickly arrested and charges pending.

[pornguy]

First thing. Cop is guilty and an asshole and no better than some of the scum I'm sure he arrested in the past.

With that said there is a TON to this story that no one knows or will ever know.

For sure need to make some changes to law enforcement.

For 1. Much better pay.
then add in the requirements.

Raise min age,

Raise min education.

Raise training.

[VikingMan]

If you raise IQ requirements for cops then we won't have hardly any cops.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

If you raise IQ requirements for cops then we won't have hardly any cops.

its hands on! nothing to do with an IQ! you think construction workers are at a doctors level of education? they learn how to shoot guns and arrest people nothing more. he knew it was wrong. first thing i would have tested him for drugs on top of it all he tampers with the crime scene!! its not even dark!

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm referring to the system/policy level, not the priority at the time level. of course cops have to prioritize, jtfc. for the 3rd time, it makes no sense to be in here arguing that cops need to be more accountable to the laws and at the same time argue that they don't have to hold up the ones some of you think are silly. like turn signaling. someone thinks turn signals are not important, someone else here thinks license plates lights are not important.

do you see where this is going? it's going off the deep end, everyone will have their particular law they think the cops should not enforce, driving 65, no open container or texting? fuck that i can drive better than most with an open coor's light in my hand texting the g/f re: what shirt i'm wearing to the party saturday.

Police has always to decide within policy level/ time level.

I haven't said that police shouldn't enforce something, I am saying that police shouldn't enforce all things equally. As the laws for starters don't treat things equally, why should police? Police prioritizes. Especially, as I have already said; police is public service job, not some law enforcing robot. "Robocop in duty; burned license plate light detected. Maximum force authorized! Execute."

And as this discussion is related to bad cops killing people, assaulting people with various ways, etc., I don't think that being accountable for enforcing license plate lights has that much to do with the previous issues. Even if they don't care a shit worth about license plate lights (and we don't care a shit worth about that), they are still accountable for killing people.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

If you raise IQ requirements for cops then we won't have hardly any cops.

Not true.

Cops reject people with high IQ!

Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops - ABC News