Affiliate Buying traffic for the first time

[ravenazrael]

Hello guys!
I have been running my blog for quite some time and have positiones the blog decently in my niche. I get some money from the affiliate programs I run and also some paid posts and banners. Some people have been telling me that I should buy traffic to redirect it to my affiliates. I have heard different stories. I was considering Traffic j. I was also told that the minimun amount to actually make that work is 1k ....

What's your take on it?

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[wehateporn]

Can be done, but have to find the right traffic and the right price

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[Markul]

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[joker78]

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[30SalesPlus]

Buying traffic can be VERY profitable, but it takes work and testing to find which sources work best with each offer. Too many guys think they can just throw $100 into a ad network and make millions doesn't work that way. I usually spend around $5000 to get something dialed in and making money. Once you know what and where makes money you can scale up from there.

[ravenazrael]

Thanks guys! I am gonna check the links.

[TheSquealer]

This is a horrible idea. You are going to lose your money. No serious media buy r would suggest to you that buying traffic to your blog will work to generate affiliate sales to adult sites. An obvious and simple test would be to see who is advertising on a network and what types of offers are they running and ask "is anyone that is serious doing what I'd like to do". You will lose your money, plain and simple.

Converting traffic into sales for an adult site is notoriously hard. Traffic prices are driven by what works better - dating, penis pills, pickup offers etc. additionally, you aren't even sending traffic direct to an offer, so right from the start, you are going to buy x,xxx hits and instead of 25% getting to the offer, your sending them to a blog where maybe only 1-2% will. Then you are sending them to something that's not going to convert at 1:10 but more like 1:1000.

Save your money and don't take advice from people posting links with referral codes or that are trying to sell you something.

DEFINITELY do not take advice from an affiliate manager, who, if he knew anything at all, would be doing the exact things he's telling you to do and not having to work for peanuts for someone else.

You won't make this work with 1000.00. Even if you copied someone's. ads, landing pages and offers, you wouldn't make it work for 1000.00.

[newxxx]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This is a horrible idea. You are going to lose your money. No serious media buy r would suggest to you that buying traffic to your blog will work to generate affiliate sales to adult sites. An obvious and simple test would be to see who is advertising on a network and what types of offers are they running and ask "is anyone that is serious doing what I'd like to do". You will lose your money, plain and simple.

Converting traffic into sales for an adult site is notoriously hard. Traffic prices are driven by what works better - dating, penis pills, pickup offers etc. additionally, you aren't even sending traffic direct to an offer, so right from the start, you are going to buy x,xxx hits and instead of 25% getting to the offer, your sending them to a blog where maybe only 1-2% will. Then you are sending them to something that's not going to convert at 1:10 but more like 1:1000.

Save your money and don't take advice from people posting links with referral codes or that are trying to sell you something.

DEFINITELY do not take advice from an affiliate manager, who, if he knew anything at all, would be doing the exact things he's telling you to do and not having to work for peanuts for someone else.

You won't make this work with 1000.00. Even if you copied someone's. ads, landing pages and offers, you wouldn't make it work for 1000.00.

TS, listen this guy.

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[sonofsam]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This is a horrible idea. You are going to lose your money. No serious media buy r would suggest to you that buying traffic to your blog will work to generate affiliate sales to adult sites. An obvious and simple test would be to see who is advertising on a network and what types of offers are they running and ask "is anyone that is serious doing what I'd like to do". You will lose your money, plain and simple.

Converting traffic into sales for an adult site is notoriously hard. Traffic prices are driven by what works better - dating, penis pills, pickup offers etc. additionally, you aren't even sending traffic direct to an offer, so right from the start, you are going to buy x,xxx hits and instead of 25% getting to the offer, your sending them to a blog where maybe only 1-2% will. Then you are sending them to something that's not going to convert at 1:10 but more like 1:1000.

Save your money and don't take advice from people posting links with referral codes or that are trying to sell you something.

DEFINITELY do not take advice from an affiliate manager, who, if he knew anything at all, would be doing the exact things he's telling you to do and not having to work for peanuts for someone else.

You won't make this work with 1000.00. Even if you copied someone's. ads, landing pages and offers, you wouldn't make it work for 1000.00.

Great advice.

Now I'd be interested in hearing what route you think he should take when it comes to media buys? I'm curious myself, but for mainstream

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by sonofsam

Great advice.

Now I'd be interested in hearing what route you think he should take when it comes to media buys? I'm curious myself, but for mainstream

I don't think there is a perfect answer. Really, i start with intelligence when it comes to a traffic source. You have to know who is using it, how they are using it, what they are selling and so on. You have to understand their tools and targeting options to figure out if its even possible before spending a dime. If you want to sell a porn browser that only works on windows OS, then you need to be able to target PC traffic running Windows. If you can't do that, then most of the traffic you buy will be useless. Then, if you are interested, start running tests by copying them as closely as possible Try to understand payouts and what they may be getting (payouts are negotiated if you have volume) and where you need to be to be profitable and determine if you are close enough in your testing to warrant a serious effort and investment to get close.

I look at it like this... its not about what you want to sell, its about what those users pay for. What people in adult do not seem to understand at all or even think about is "user motivation".

If a guy is looking at adult content, his preferences look something like this

1) meet a real woman that day and have sex
2) grow a larger penis thinking he can have more sex
3) learn to pick up women to have easier sex
4) join paysite and masturbate

If you look at pornhub as an example, you see 95% dating, penis pills and pickup artist stuff. Traffic prices are driven by those products, the average user cost and user lifetime value (including up sells) and so on. What works and how well it works determines traffic prices. If you want to compete, you have to have something that users are equally willing to buy and which pays just as well.

The only right answer in the end, is "test, test, test". Expect to fail. You are not buying traffic, you are buying data. You have to know whether or not you can afford to buy enough data to have meaningful and statistically significant info to make accurate determinations moving forward.

The i think the OP and most people needs to understand that starting with 1000.00, knowing nothing and then trying to buy traffic to a blog of all things is absurd.

How that likely work...

1) OP buys 20,000 clicks on traffic ads at an average cost of .05 per click ~ or $1000.00
2) 1.5% of total visitors to that page click on his ads on the blog ~ or 300.00 total clicks
3) offer converts at 1:750, paying $35.00 per sale
4) total profit in this VERY optimistic scenario -$965.00

[TheSquealer]

and also, anyone spamming ref links at the expense of dude who is about to lose his money are douchebags.

[sonofsam]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I don't think there is a perfect answer. Really, i start with intelligence when it comes to a traffic source. You have to know who is using it, how they are using it, what they are selling and so on. You have to understand their tools and targeting options to figure out if its even possible before spending a dime. If you want to sell a porn browser that only works on windows OS, then you need to be able to target PC traffic running Windows. If you can't do that, then most of the traffic you buy will be useless. Then, if you are interested, start running tests by copying them as closely as possible Try to understand payouts and what they may be getting (payouts are negotiated if you have volume) and where you need to be to be profitable and determine if you are close enough in your testing to warrant a serious effort and investment to get close.

I look at it like this... its not about what you want to sell, its about what those users pay for. What people in adult do not seem to understand at all or even think about is "user motivation".

If a guy is looking at adult content, his preferences look something like this

1) meet a real woman that day and have sex
2) grow a larger penis thinking he can have more sex
3) learn to pick up women to have easier sex
4) join paysite and masturbate

If you look at pornhub as an example, you see 95% dating, penis pills and pickup artist stuff. Traffic prices are driven by those products, the average user cost and user lifetime value (including up sells) and so on. What works and how well it works determines traffic prices. If you want to compete, you have to have something that users are equally willing to buy and which pays just as well.

The only right answer in the end, is "test, test, test". Expect to fail. You are not buying traffic, you are buying data. You have to know whether or not you can afford to buy enough data to have meaningful and statistically significant info to make accurate determinations moving forward.

The i think the OP and most people needs to understand that starting with 1000.00, knowing nothing and then trying to buy traffic to a blog of all things is absurd.

How that likely work...

1) OP buys 20,000 clicks on traffic ads at an average cost of .05 per click ~ or $1000.00
2) 1.5% of total visitors to that page click on his ads on the blog ~ or 300.00 total clicks
3) offer converts at 1:750, paying $35.00 per sale
4) total profit in this VERY optimistic scenario -$965.00

Do you do any mainstream media buying?

One thing I was curious about is with adwords. You can use tools like SemRush to look at every single ad a competitor has up on adwords, and their exact keywords/ad copy/landing page etc

Wouldn't that make it extremely easy to copy peoples campaigns?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by sonofsam

Do you do any mainstream media buying?

One thing I was curious about is with adwords. You can use tools like SemRush to look at every single ad a competitor has up on adwords, and their exact keywords/ad copy/landing page etc

Wouldn't that make it extremely easy to copy peoples campaigns?

I haven't bought mainstream traffic in a few years. I used to buy a lot. There are a lot of tools like that. But its really hard to copy someones campaign because you'll only know basic info.

Getting the keyword+ad+landing page+offer doesn't give you enough info really. You won't know their payouts, you won't know how they are filtering all their traffic (mobile - by geo/os/manufacturer/network and so on, pc, tablet etc etc). You won't know a lot of things that give them a 40% ROI and anyone else -40% ROI.

Anyone can try it right now... just use adultadspy.com - download the ads/landing pages and create an account with the sponsors you need and fund the campaign. Then you find quickly, they have lightening fast servers (tracking), awesome CDNs (loading the landing pages where the user is), they are filtering traffic in a way that most would consider extreme, sending it to a different offer for every possible filtering option or whatever, they are getting paid 9-10.00 per dating lead, where you're getting 5.50 and so on.

Basically, the short answer is "no", you can't really copy a campaign effectively.

BUT, its good...very good to use software like that to do a little recon, understand what everyone is doing, stay in tune with whats working, to keep up with new methods, new landing pages, new ad text/sales pitches and keep an eye on competitors and develop a strong sense for what works and what doesn't and when people are giving up on something thats getting burned out and moving on (changing ads, offers, landing pages etc).

[Babaganoosh]

I don't use traffic brokers. I have long maintained that traffic that converts isn't for sale. If it is, you can't afford it.

People who try to convince you otherwise have something to gain by convincing you to buy traffic (ie they are a traffic broker or are sporting an affiliate link).

If someone found traffic that converts and they were able to buy it and make a profit, why would they tell you what a great deal it is? Surely they know that demand drives prices. If the demand for the profitable traffic they are buying goes up, so will the price they pay for that traffic.

[ITraffic]

why does google sell traffic? why do people put adsense on their sites?

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

why does google sell traffic? why do people put adsense on their sites?

Let's not compare search engine traffic to a third rate traffic broker.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Let's not compare search engine traffic to a third rate traffic broker.

Price is always relative to quality. It doesn't matter what the source is or what the traffic type is. You can make good money off of any big adult broker as so many people do, right now, today... its just a question of committing to mastering the nuances of each one and having the budget and determination to do it.

[rogerrabbit00]

I got some ideas.

[OfferGrindScott]

Here is the deal...TheSquealer is correct on a lot of things that he has mentioned. HOWEVER you can learn how to create a profitable adult campaign with under $1000 if done properly with lots of studying, and pre planning. It is just going to be a slower process and expect to loose at the very minimum 40-50% of it as you gather data. It is simply a matter of testing at much slower pace, pick a few select offers in the same niche and build a 3-4 great presell landers that entice the viewers and gets them in the clicking motion, throw up a bunch of banners 10+ that will also entice the viewers, and stick to 1-2 of the big tube sites on a good ad spot through a good ad network like TrafficJunky for example, frequency cap it no more than 2-3 uniques per day, test with $100 a day budget with the lowest CPM rate you can do that will still gain impressions over 7 days, and gather data (what times and days, sites, banners, landers, offers, that work best) cut what doesn't work and scale what does. Rinse and repeat that simple. I have been in the adult media buying space for 2+ years personally, have done my fair share of adult media buys and I can say from experience it can be done with less than $1000. Yes ideally if you are moving big money testing with $5k is ideal, but you can do it with much less. But don't send the traffic to a blog as that will be complete waste of money and as squealer said maybe if you are lucky you will get 1-2% CTR.

As far as adultadspy, you don't need that shit, simply taking the time out and monitoring what others are doing on some of the big sites will give you the same results for free.

Just my , but hey what do I know....

[ctggls]

TheSquealer is 100% right , best advices I've seen here on gfy in a while.

OfferGrindScott is also somehow right although I think you need more than $1k to test good what works.

My opinion , first think you should look at is NOT promote offers that are already on tubes and so on . Try whitelabels, like cams or dating .

Build your own pages , place Google Analytics on it and watch bounce rate, exit pages, time on site etc etc. Also be prepared to have geo redirect script so you can redirect your visitors based on IP to the best offer. Even though you buy only USA traffic let's say , you'll still get some from other countries.

Sending it to your blog will not be the best idea because what your visitors see on your blog most probably have seen in a few places before that (even the places they came before landing on your blog).

I've seen that adult desktop traffic works quite good with mainstream offers, but you also need to hide your referrer as most mainstream affiliate programs don't accept adult traffic.

[johnny_d]

Websites which sale traffic specialize in different things, and I am not sure if Traffic Junkie would be the best for this. You may want to look into places like Traffic Shop, Traffic Holder, Ava Traffic, Ero-Advertising, and Plugrush for something like this.

As far as mobile, Bitter Strawberry, Sex Goes Mobile, First Mobile Cash, and VPS Mobile, are the only ones, I would recommend.

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