Paysites: Buying Advertising, Does It Work?

[The Porn Nerd]

Just wondering if any Paysite Owners buy traffic through places like Juicy Ads or Traffic Junky? If so, how are your results?

I see many Webmasters buying traffic for cams and dating offers, and some PPS (but not Revshare). But anyone buying traffic and sending it to their Paysite Tours?

Any Ad Reps who want to chime in here (and perhaps offer some advice/wisdom) go for it!

Thanks!

[thehand]

There is no money in porn.

[Cherry7]

Did not work.

Maybe for some clever scheming bastards but straight forward sending traffic to tour never worked.

Some sites could send thousands of clicks but none converted....

[thehand]

Back in the day it would have been a safe but ... but today w/ tubes...not so much.

[wehateporn]

Depends if willing to lie and bang cards

[ITraffic]

study the paysites buying up the spots on the tubes.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Depends if willing to lie and bang cards

Nope, do NOT want to go there or do that! LOL

Originally Posted by ITraffic

study the paysites buying up the spots on the tubes.

That's the thing: I see TWO paysites consistently advertised on the major tubes. TWO:

See My GF
I Know That Girl

The animated ads you see everywhere for Brazzers, etc are paysites owned/operated by the tubes themselves so I don't think they "count".

Besides, tubes are not the only place to buy advertising.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Nope, do NOT want to go there or do that! LOL



That's the thing: I see TWO paysites consistently advertised on the major tubes. TWO:

See My GF
I Know That Girl

The animated ads you see everywhere for Brazzers, etc are paysites owned/operated by the tubes themselves so I don't think they "count".

Besides, tubes are not the only place to buy advertising.

You can go into your Juicy Ads admin panel, click on 'buy ads' and filter by your specified parameters (keywords, website types, niches, etc.) to generate a list of sites which fit your criteria. Then check out the sites which they have listed to see what types of advertisements are on those sites. After that, buy enough in advertising to where you can get a decent sample size and then just test, test, test.

[money biz]

gota drop at least $1k worst case you will loose half your $$. If you hit gold scale as fast as you can because someone going to copy you.

[ITraffic]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

That's the thing: I see TWO paysites consistently advertised on the major tubes. TWO:

See My GF
I Know That Girl

i guess they figured out how to make it work.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The animated ads you see everywhere for Brazzers, etc are paysites owned/operated by the tubes themselves so I don't think they "count".

If they run these tubes as they should I doubt they would keep those up running on a loss.

Check out Teamskeet and Videosz (various sites) too. Last time they were buying spots a lot.

I am pretty sure the profit is very low however a profit is a profit so rinse and repeat and profit.

[BAKO]

You have to know how to buy ads first lol

[thehand]

Originally Posted by BAKO

You have to know how to buy ads first lol

[pornguy]

Hey. TPN message me on skype.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by jimmycooper

You can go into your Juicy Ads admin panel, click on 'buy ads' and filter by your specified parameters (keywords, website types, niches, etc.) to generate a list of sites which fit your criteria. Then check out the sites which they have listed to see what types of advertisements are on those sites. After that, buy enough in advertising to where you can get a decent sample size and then just test, test, test.

Great advice thank you!

Originally Posted by pornguy

Hey. TPN message me on skype.

Will do.

[johnny_d]

It definitely works, and there is a lot of people who do it. The only thing with this is, that you need to find right traffic sources / companies. If you get if from random places, it will not work. There are websites, who sepcialize in something like this. Find them all, talk to them, and they will tell you what is what.

Another thing is how to do it (maximize roi), and possibly profit (buy traffic, make the money back and profit on the top of this, the way it works with regular advertising - this is exactly the same way it should be working here).

There is some media buying resources on the Net, I've seen a Facebook group, also adult media buying forum (I am not sure if it is good / worth it, it is paid). Buying traffic is a separate specialization, and it takes time to figure it out, and do it right.

But as far as your question, definitely yes. Start from talking to people who run the traffic selling sites.

# # # Edit

You need to be good with Analytics / Google Analytics for this, so you know exactly what you are doing, and whether you benefit or not. You dont just buy and hope for the best. You need to actively work on it, analyze the results, keep optimizing incoming traffic for the best roi for the lowest amount of money paid.

I would: a) learn Google Analytics (very good), b) find the best companies for xxx paysites traffic c) talk to them, and they will tell you what to do, and how to do it, especially / if you spend money at their sites.

Some of the sites you may want to look into for this are Ero-Advertising (they will help you and give you good advice, regardless of the amount of money spent), Exoclick (you need to be a "big fish" there to get help, if not you need to test and try everything by yourself, but their system is very good), Juicy Ads (they will explain you everything very good too, regardless of the amount of money spent). As good, or even better for this will be smaller xxx advertising sites.

Not all of them here, but some can be good

[johnny_d]

And again, this is a whole "specialization" of this. People do it, and nothing else, full time. You may find very good sources of visitors, and they may not work, as your website may not be very good. Then you do landing page optimization, split testing, things like that. Again, very good knowledge of analytics / Google Analytics is needed.

You also need to have access to server logs (something like AW Stats).

I've heard about xxx wbsite / websites people spending around $10k per day for this.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by johnny_d

It definitely works, and there is a lot of people who do it. The only thing with this is, that you need to find right traffic sources / companies. If you get if from random places, it will not work. There are websites, who sepcialize in something like this. Find them all, talk to them, and they will tell you what is what.

Another thing is how to do it (maximize roi), and possibly profit (buy traffic, make the money back and profit on the top of this, the way it works with regular advertising - this is exactly the same way it should be working here).

There is some media buying resources on the Net, I've seen a Facebook group, also adult media buying forum (I am not sure if it is good / worth it, it is paid). Buying traffic is a separate specialization, and it takes time to figure it out, and do it right.

But as far as your question, definitely yes. Start from talking to people who run the traffic selling sites.

# # # Edit

You need to be good with Analytics / Google Analytics for this, so you know exactly what you are doing, and whether you benefit or not. You dont just buy and hope for the best. You need to actively work on it, analyze the results, keep optimizing incoming traffic for the best roi for the lowest amount of money paid.

I would: a) learn Google Analytics (very good), b) find the best companies for xxx paysites traffic c) talk to them, and they will tell you what to do, and how to do it, especially / if you spend money at their sites.

Some of the sites you may want to look into for this are Ero-Advertising (they will help you and give you good advice, regardless of the amount of money spent), Exoclick (you need to be a "big fish" there to get help, if not you need to test and try everything by yourself, but their system is very good), Juicy Ads (they will explain you everything very good too, regardless of the amount of money spent). As good, or even better for this will be smaller xxx advertising sites.

Not all of them here, but some can be good

Originally Posted by johnny_d

And again, this is a whole "specialization" of this. People do it, and nothing else, full time. You may find very good sources of visitors, and they may not work, as your website may not be very good. Then you do landing page optimization, split testing, things like that. Again, very good knowledge of analytics / Google Analytics is needed.

You also need to have access to server logs (something like AW Stats).

I've heard about xxx wbsite / websites people spending around $10k per day for this.

Thank you VERY much for taking the time to post all this info! I agree 100% with you (a reason I started this thread). I do have some experience with Exoclcik but that ended in 2012 so I will have to re-learn a lot of things. I have also done direct ad buys from sites with so-so results.

But I am thinking of doing this ONLY with my best converting, proven 'whales'. So if it doesn't work for them it's not going to work for a little site like Porn Nerd Asia (for example).

Thanks again for the awesome info!!

[johnny_d]

You probably dont need to go to deep with Google Analytics, as far as this, as you need sign ups, and this is what you need to measure. Sign up page, trial signup, one month signup, one year signup, probably... Stick to good countries only, and dont buy traffic from the other ones (at least at the beginning, but it is a good general rule of thumb): USA > Canada > EU > Other Europe are suppose to be the best (in this order). You look at other factors too like bouce rate, number of pages visited, time on site, but you pay for sign ups, and this is what you want to focus on (what domain name generates sign ups, and keep buying from them, but not indefinitely too, check more sites all over again after one month or so, as results will not always be the same).

Adult Media Buys ? THE ELITE ADULT MARKETING AUTHORITY! - I am not sure if this is good, it is $99 per month. Learn, read, and talk to as many people as you possibly can before spending first money. I've also heard about people who spend over $5k, before figuring out, more or less, what is what. You dont want to be that type of person, and it is not needed too I think. There is sources on the Net, and most importantly people from ad companies know exactly what is what, and they will tell you (especially / if you spend your money with them).

# # # Edit:

Google Analytics, again, is very good for this, and something that you need to know. You can for example track people who come from purchased traffic / domains, and come back to your site later on, and sign up (all this can be tracked). There is a lot of other things to it too, and Google Analytics has been recently changed / improved. This is the most important thing for this. You know Google Analytics (very good) -> you have advantage, and you are on a good way to making profits. It all works in a certain way, and for certain reasons. If you understand it, and do it right, you should be making money (just like regular ads on the street, or in tv, they pay for it - people then buy their products - and the company profits - they dont pay for this ads, and lose money, at least they should not and it is not how it should work; it should work exactly the same way with this, if done right).

# # # Edit 2:

IE. You buy traffic from domain-one.com, and Google Analytics sets cookies on these devices / PCs. You can then track what these people do, every time they visit your site, a month and three months from this time. So again, if you know how to use this information (and there is multiple different ways), you have the advantage. There is a lot of people / companies who do Google Analytics (Partners) consultation too.

You can probably negotiate prices with the brokers, if you buy in large volumes, and so on.

# # # Edit 3:

Adult Media Buying

A lot of good books about Internet advertising on Amazon too. Again, this is a separate specialization, and it takes time to learn, practice, and do it right.

[edgeprod]

Most serious companies use a media buyer for this type of traffic. It involves a lot of testing and dialing in before it's profitable. Expect to burn $10,000-$20,000 with an EXPERIENCED buyer per product, before you find that formula.

[tigermtb]

Mistake people often make is putting a link in, looking at signups and if they aren't profitable in a day or two they pull the campaign.

I have been an affiliate for 15 years and sometimes the best offers take time to hit. There are 3 programs I have been a top affiliate for and in all those cases I wanted to pull the plug within days but they ultimately gained ground and are profitable.

But -- yes -- not knowing what you're doing will sometimes end in tears. Its wise to review results and data after a few days to see what changes can be made based on intelligent decision making.

Many campaigns are doing better at JuicyAds now with the new SexyTechnology running to help optimize

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by tigermtb

Mistake people often make is putting a link in, looking at signups and if they aren't profitable in a day or two they pull the campaign.

I have been an affiliate for 15 years and sometimes the best offers take time to hit. There are 3 programs I have been a top affiliate for and in all those cases I wanted to pull the plug within days but they ultimately gained ground and are profitable.

But -- yes -- not knowing what you're doing will sometimes end in tears. Its wise to review results and data after a few days to see what changes can be made based on intelligent decision making.

Many campaigns are doing better at JuicyAds now with the new SexyTechnology running to help optimize

I may hit you up as I have not settled on which ad company to use. As I mentioned, I did do some NTV ads via Exoclick about 3 years ago so I was going to start with them. But I have to do more investigating before I dive in big time.

The ads I want to buy are for 2 of my best-converting and most consistent sites, paysites I have bought ads for in the past and were slightly profitable. I am hoping that this time around, with the advances in reporting and tracking, I can have better luck.

[johnny_d]

There is at least one company, which can do it for you too (adult). I dont remember the name now.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by johnny_d

There is at least one company, which can do it for you too (adult). I dont remember the name now.

Oh I know how this game works! OK, so PayPal you $xxx.xxx and you will suddenly "remember" the name. Gotcha.

Haha! Thanks for your great info posted above, extremely helpful!

[tiramisu]

Yes it works beautifully if dont correctly, remember to use several landing pages, see which one gives better result and stick with it.

[fappingJack]

parking right here. im reading great discussions

[ErectMedia]

Paysite owner would have better odds at buying traffic as your eliminating an affiliate payout so ya have more room to play with but it still takes time/filtering/wasted dollars to fine tune what works best for what you are promoting.

Affiliate traffic is great cause you only have to pay if a sale is made so free marketing. Problem is quite a few affiliates don't take the time to learn how to buy quality traffic and since their cut would be lower than a program owner most that don't make mad sales stop the traffic flow. Program could be great but sending shit traffic obtains shit results.

Quality over Quantity has been my deal since day #1 across the board in mainstream/adult.

[Lykos]

It works for some sites/ppl.

[RyuLion]

I test and eventually find good member area spots and stick with those..

[AllAboutCams]

Its works when its super refined to mostly domain and country but that requires a load of testing and daily monitoring.

[femdomdestiny]

I guess so, I have same advertisers on my small network for years (constantly there) But that is niche traffic and mostly from SE: Femdom Clicks

[AmeliaG]

I used to buy a lot of ad spots, but there are fewer places to buy for my niche these days (and I bought a couple if the best sites for my ads.)

I think general adult requires high end big data skills to be profitable, but there is still comfortably feasible dough when the niche matches well.

[LeRoy]

Posts #20 and #21 are spot on

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Most serious companies use a media buyer for this type of traffic. It involves a lot of testing and dialing in before it's profitable. Expect to burn $10,000-$20,000 with an EXPERIENCED buyer per product, before you find that formula.

Well I have to be my own Media Buyer on this one, and I am hoping NOT to burn that much cash looking for a "formula".

But I fear you may be 100% correct. LOL

[johnny_d]

PerkissMedia.Com - Connecting Media Buyers with Publishers

I am not sure if it was this one, that I was talking about. You can check that group on Facebook, and ask there. You can possibly find somebody, and pay them for telling you what to do, and how to do it.

[Alice22]

I want to try it for my sites as well.
A few years ago i started research the subject and it's really not easy.
I spoke with people who spent a LOT of money, before they started to see positive ROI.
a load of testing and daily monitoring needed.
Even small things that looks so not important, can be really critical in media buy.
For example, the color of text, even the font...
You need to change all those elements many times, till you find the winning campaign.

I have some materials about how to do it right, add me to your icq and i will send you.

[Alice22]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I guess so, I have same advertisers on my small network for years (constantly there) But that is niche traffic and mostly from SE: Femdom Clicks

I have a femdom site: The Official Site of Mistress Ella Kross
Can you suggest me the best option? I am willing to try

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Alice22

I want to try it for my sites as well.
A few years ago i started research the subject and it's really not easy.
I spoke with people who spent a LOT of money, before they started to see positive ROI.
a load of testing and daily monitoring needed.
Even small things that looks so not important, can be really critical in media buy.
For example, the color of text, even the font...
You need to change all those elements many times, till you find the winning campaign.

I have some materials about how to do it right, add me to your icq and i will send you.

Thank you!

Adding you now.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Well I have to be my own Media Buyer on this one, and I am hoping NOT to burn that much cash looking for a "formula".

But I fear you may be 100% correct. LOL

The learning curve will necessitate spending more than the figure I quoted (which is when someone experienced is guiding the process). One of the keys is going to be strong technical tools to analyze your campaigns, results, and traffic flow. Without really dialing this in, you're going to be throwing darts blindfolded.

[American Psycho]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

I test and eventually find good member area spots and stick with those..

How are you getting members spots Buys?
via brokers?

[blackmonsters]

I figure it's like anything else; some people do great and others do terrible.

[ITraffic]

[NemesisEnforcer]

Originally Posted by johnny_d

You probably dont need to go to deep with Google Analytics, as far as this, as you need sign ups, and this is what you need to measure. Sign up page, trial signup, one month signup, one year signup, probably... Stick to good countries only, and dont buy traffic from the other ones (at least at the beginning, but it is a good general rule of thumb): USA > Canada > EU > Other Europe are suppose to be the best (in this order). You look at other factors too like bouce rate, number of pages visited, time on site, but you pay for sign ups, and this is what you want to focus on (what domain name generates sign ups, and keep buying from them, but not indefinitely too, check more sites all over again after one month or so, as results will not always be the same).

Adult Media Buys ? THE ELITE ADULT MARKETING AUTHORITY! - I am not sure if this is good, it is $99 per month. Learn, read, and talk to as many people as you possibly can before spending first money. I've also heard about people who spend over $5k, before figuring out, more or less, what is what. You dont want to be that type of person, and it is not needed too I think. There is sources on the Net, and most importantly people from ad companies know exactly what is what, and they will tell you (especially / if you spend your money with them).

# # # Edit:

Google Analytics, again, is very good for this, and something that you need to know. You can for example track people who come from purchased traffic / domains, and come back to your site later on, and sign up (all this can be tracked). There is a lot of other things to it too, and Google Analytics has been recently changed / improved. This is the most important thing for this. You know Google Analytics (very good) -> you have advantage, and you are on a good way to making profits. It all works in a certain way, and for certain reasons. If you understand it, and do it right, you should be making money (just like regular ads on the street, or in tv, they pay for it - people then buy their products - and the company profits - they dont pay for this ads, and lose money, at least they should not and it is not how it should work; it should work exactly the same way with this, if done right).

# # # Edit 2:

IE. You buy traffic from domain-one.com, and Google Analytics sets cookies on these devices / PCs. You can then track what these people do, every time they visit your site, a month and three months from this time. So again, if you know how to use this information (and there is multiple different ways), you have the advantage. There is a lot of people / companies who do Google Analytics (Partners) consultation too.

You can probably negotiate prices with the brokers, if you buy in large volumes, and so on.

# # # Edit 3:

Adult Media Buying

A lot of good books about Internet advertising on Amazon too. Again, this is a separate specialization, and it takes time to learn, practice, and do it right.

Good info.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I figure it's like anything else; some people do great and others do terrible.

That'd be a safe assumption.