Cally water shortage caused by democtrates...

[Grapesoda]

The Man-Made California Drought - House Committee on Natural Resources

Carly Fiorina: The Man-Made Water Shortage in California - TIME

California's man-made water crisis - SFGate

and this >>>>>

Gov. Jerry Brown last week mandated the state?s residents cut water usage by as much as 35 percent, saying, "As Californians, we have to pull together and save water in every way we can.? Consumers face stiff penalties, forced installation of water restriction devices and even water service suspension if they don?t comply with county mandates. Commercial users face even tougher sanctions, with one county requiring them to cut usage by 80 percent.


The critics say California gets plenty of water to meet its needs, if it were only managed properly. More than half of California?s surface water flows from the Sierra Nevada mountains in the east down to the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta in Northern California. Much of the mountain runoff is managed by two of the world?s largest water storage and transport systems ? the federal Central Valley Project and California's State Water Project. Each is a system of dams, reservoirs and distribution systems designed to send water to cities, towns and farms throughout the state.

But the vast majority of the state?s 1,400 dams and reservoirs, in the two massive systems and smaller ones that supply southern California, were built well before the 1980s. Environmentalists have since stopped the construction of water storage and delivery systems through legal and political actions. They have also fought to ensure that captured water is released into streams and the ocean -- rather than the water delivery system -- in order to boost fish populations and dilute the salinity of the delta.

?Droughts are nothing new in California, but right now, 70 percent of California's rainfall washes out to sea because liberals have prevented the construction of a single new reservoir or a single new water conveyance system over decades, during a period in which California?s population has doubled,? said Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett Packard and likely GOP presidential candidate. ?This is the classic case of liberals being willing to sacrifice other people's lives and livelihoods at the altar of their ideology.?

Releasing the water is supposed to save the endangered fish population, including the Delta Smelt, Longfin Smelt, four runs of Chinook Salmon, the Steelhead, Green and White Sturgeon, Splittail and the Sacramento hitch, but so far the fish population has decreased, according to experts. A state survey in March found just 6 Delta Smelt ? four females and two males ? prompting wildlife experts to estimate the species' population has dropped to 5,000 or fewer from the millions in the last 40 years.

"Prepare for the extinction of the Delta Smelt in the wild,? UC Davis fish biologist Peter Moyle said. ?The population today may be too low to sustain itself,? Moyle said. ?Fish ready to spawn have to find one another in a big area. If spawning is successful, there have to be enough eggs and larvae that some individuals survive to become the next generation of spawners.?

Jim Burling of the Pacific Legal Foundation said while water diversions have not helped endangered fish populations, the policies are devastating to people, produce and the economy.

?The plan is not doing anything for the fish and causing a lot of pain for farmers and farm workers,? Burling said. ?The impact of these policies on people should be considered.?

The state has more than 80,000 farms and ranches, which generate more than $44 billion in annual sales. California produces more than 250 different crops, leads the U.S. in production of 75 commodities, and, according to the Water Education Foundation, is the only state to produce 12 key crops such as almonds, artichokes, dates, figs, raisins, kiwi, olives, persimmons, pistachios, prunes and walnuts.


*** well cally ran showbiz out of the state, now porn ..I guess that asshole farmers can get the fuck out as well

During the current drought, which began in 2012, and by some estimates could be the most severe in recorded history, billions of gallons of water have been diverted from farmlands, according to a report by the Washington D.C.-based Heritage Foundation, with the American Farm Bureau estimating that between 400,000 acres and 500,000 acres of crops will be lost.

Fiorina said it?s a ?tragedy? that the agricultural land in California, the most productive in the world, has been destroyed, along with farming jobs because of politics, policy, and liberal environmentalists.

Rep. Devin Nunes, a Republican who represents a Central Valley district in Congress, said roughly 21 million-acre feet of water is flushed into the ocean annually. One acre-foot equals 325,851 gallons, the average annual water usage for a suburban family household. He also blames environmental groups for the fact that the state is dry.

?The environmental groups did not expect to run everyone out of water, but they got greedy, shut down the whole system, and ran the whole damned state dry,? Nunes said.

The environmental movement went to court to stop most new dam construction, according to Victor Davis Hanson, a Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in Classics and Military History at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, including the Sites Reservoir; the Los Banos Grandes facility; and the Temperance Flat Reservoir.

The Klamath River diversion project also was canceled in the 1970s, putting an end to the Aw Paw reservoir, potentially the state?s largest man-made reservoir with 15 million acre-feet of water, or enough to supply San Francisco for 30 years, Davis said.

?California?s water-storage capacity would be nearly double what it is today had these plans come to fruition,? Davis said in a report.

Environmentalists also diverted irrigation and municipal water from reservoirs and moved to freeze California?s water-storage resources at 1970s capacities, Davis said.

Nunes introduced the Sacramento-San Joaquin Valley Water Reliability Act of 2012 and co-sponsored the Sacramento-San Joaquin Emergency Water Delivery Act of 2014 to ?restore water deliveries cut off by environmental lawsuits and federal regulation; streamline environmental regulatory processes to speed up 5,000,000 water reliability projects and transfers; expand the use of the Central Valley Project to allow water deliveries by non-federal sources; and end the effort to protect non-native species and instead focus on native species.?

The U.S. House of Representatives passed the legislation in 2013 and 2014, but U.S. Senators Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein, both Democrats from California, refused to sign on to the GOP plan, and Brown, in charge of California from 1975 to 1983 and then again since 2011, also expressed opposition, Nunes said. As the crisis in California grows, Nunes hopes to get the legislation through the Senate and to President Obama for his signature.

?If we had stored water and built three new dams, the state would be flush with water,? Nunes said.

As millions of gallons of freshwater rush out to sea, some counties are looking for ways to bring desalinization plants online, and are spending millions of dollars to do so, but environmentalists are already speaking out against the plan, saying desalinization is energy-intensive and can negatively impact sea life.

Preparing for future droughts and making it through this one all comes down to math and engineering, Cohen said. ?We know the systems we have to build to make sure the state has plenty of water, but instead we have wasted millions of acre feet of water in the last 10 years,? Cohen said. ?The thought that you can conserve your way out of this is not going to lead to any success.?

[dyna mo]

let's not forget carli fiorini was voted one of the worst CEOs of all time.

[bronco67]

Oh...so now I see. The water shortage is man-made because it can be blamed on evil democrats with their nefarious "caring about the environment" thing. Sometimes conservatives are so fucking stupid it makes my head spin.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

let's not forget carli fiorini was voted one of the worst CEOs of all time.

isn't Milt Romney the only politician that can actually run a 'profitable' biz?

[L-Pink]

"70 percent of California's rainfall washes out to sea" if this figure is accurate what percent of Calif's usage does this represent?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

isn't Milt Romney the only politician that can actually run a 'profitable' biz?

i'm actually more familiar with fiorini than romney. those projects mentioned in the article are decades old projects, there are gobs of reasons they stalled out..don't get me wrong, the salamanders up in san francisco bay, the minnows we're saving, the frogs, etc. a lot of tree hugging going on. i wouldn't know where to begin prioritizing those things.

nevertheless, as i understand the drought, it's much more than a political football.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

The Man-Made California Drought - House Committee on Natural Resources

Carly Fiorina: The Man-Made Water Shortage in California - TIME

California's man-made water crisis - SFGate

and this >>>>>

Gov. Jerry Brown last week mandated the state?s residents cut water usage by as much as 35 percent, saying, "As Californians, we have to pull together and save water in every way we can.? Consumers face stiff penalties, forced installation of water restriction devices and even water service suspension if they don?t comply with county mandates. Commercial users face even tougher sanctions, with one county requiring them to cut usage by 80 percent.


The critics say California gets plenty of water to meet its needs, if it were only managed properly. More than half of California?s surface water flows from the Sierra Nevada mountains in the east down to the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta in Northern California. Much of the mountain runoff is managed by two of the world?s largest water storage and transport systems ? the federal Central Valley Project and California's State Water Project. Each is a system of dams, reservoirs and distribution systems designed to send water to cities, towns and farms throughout the state.

But the vast majority of the state?s 1,400 dams and reservoirs, in the two massive systems and smaller ones that supply southern California, were built well before the 1980s. Environmentalists have since stopped the construction of water storage and delivery systems through legal and political actions. They have also fought to ensure that captured water is released into streams and the ocean -- rather than the water delivery system -- in order to boost fish populations and dilute the salinity of the delta.

?Droughts are nothing new in California, but right now, 70 percent of California's rainfall washes out to sea because liberals have prevented the construction of a single new reservoir or a single new water conveyance system over decades, during a period in which California?s population has doubled,? said Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett Packard and likely GOP presidential candidate. ?This is the classic case of liberals being willing to sacrifice other people's lives and livelihoods at the altar of their ideology.?

Releasing the water is supposed to save the endangered fish population, including the Delta Smelt, Longfin Smelt, four runs of Chinook Salmon, the Steelhead, Green and White Sturgeon, Splittail and the Sacramento hitch, but so far the fish population has decreased, according to experts. A state survey in March found just 6 Delta Smelt ? four females and two males ? prompting wildlife experts to estimate the species' population has dropped to 5,000 or fewer from the millions in the last 40 years.

"Prepare for the extinction of the Delta Smelt in the wild,? UC Davis fish biologist Peter Moyle said. ?The population today may be too low to sustain itself,? Moyle said. ?Fish ready to spawn have to find one another in a big area. If spawning is successful, there have to be enough eggs and larvae that some individuals survive to become the next generation of spawners.?

Jim Burling of the Pacific Legal Foundation said while water diversions have not helped endangered fish populations, the policies are devastating to people, produce and the economy.

?The plan is not doing anything for the fish and causing a lot of pain for farmers and farm workers,? Burling said. ?The impact of these policies on people should be considered.?

The state has more than 80,000 farms and ranches, which generate more than $44 billion in annual sales. California produces more than 250 different crops, leads the U.S. in production of 75 commodities, and, according to the Water Education Foundation, is the only state to produce 12 key crops such as almonds, artichokes, dates, figs, raisins, kiwi, olives, persimmons, pistachios, prunes and walnuts.


*** well cally ran showbiz out of the state, now porn ..I guess that asshole farmers can get the fuck out as well

During the current drought, which began in 2012, and by some estimates could be the most severe in recorded history, billions of gallons of water have been diverted from farmlands, according to a report by the Washington D.C.-based Heritage Foundation, with the American Farm Bureau estimating that between 400,000 acres and 500,000 acres of crops will be lost.

Fiorina said it?s a ?tragedy? that the agricultural land in California, the most productive in the world, has been destroyed, along with farming jobs because of politics, policy, and liberal environmentalists.

Rep. Devin Nunes, a Republican who represents a Central Valley district in Congress, said roughly 21 million-acre feet of water is flushed into the ocean annually. One acre-foot equals 325,851 gallons, the average annual water usage for a suburban family household. He also blames environmental groups for the fact that the state is dry.

?The environmental groups did not expect to run everyone out of water, but they got greedy, shut down the whole system, and ran the whole damned state dry,? Nunes said.

The environmental movement went to court to stop most new dam construction, according to Victor Davis Hanson, a Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in Classics and Military History at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, including the Sites Reservoir; the Los Banos Grandes facility; and the Temperance Flat Reservoir.

The Klamath River diversion project also was canceled in the 1970s, putting an end to the Aw Paw reservoir, potentially the state?s largest man-made reservoir with 15 million acre-feet of water, or enough to supply San Francisco for 30 years, Davis said.

?California?s water-storage capacity would be nearly double what it is today had these plans come to fruition,? Davis said in a report.

Environmentalists also diverted irrigation and municipal water from reservoirs and moved to freeze California?s water-storage resources at 1970s capacities, Davis said.

Nunes introduced the Sacramento-San Joaquin Valley Water Reliability Act of 2012 and co-sponsored the Sacramento-San Joaquin Emergency Water Delivery Act of 2014 to ?restore water deliveries cut off by environmental lawsuits and federal regulation; streamline environmental regulatory processes to speed up 5,000,000 water reliability projects and transfers; expand the use of the Central Valley Project to allow water deliveries by non-federal sources; and end the effort to protect non-native species and instead focus on native species.?

The U.S. House of Representatives passed the legislation in 2013 and 2014, but U.S. Senators Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein, both Democrats from California, refused to sign on to the GOP plan, and Brown, in charge of California from 1975 to 1983 and then again since 2011, also expressed opposition, Nunes said. As the crisis in California grows, Nunes hopes to get the legislation through the Senate and to President Obama for his signature.

?If we had stored water and built three new dams, the state would be flush with water,? Nunes said.

As millions of gallons of freshwater rush out to sea, some counties are looking for ways to bring desalinization plants online, and are spending millions of dollars to do so, but environmentalists are already speaking out against the plan, saying desalinization is energy-intensive and can negatively impact sea life.

Preparing for future droughts and making it through this one all comes down to math and engineering, Cohen said. ?We know the systems we have to build to make sure the state has plenty of water, but instead we have wasted millions of acre feet of water in the last 10 years,? Cohen said. ?The thought that you can conserve your way out of this is not going to lead to any success.?

Those are opinions. And yes, your farmers should get the fuck out. 20% of your farmers use 80% of your water and they have some of the cheapest rates in teh world.

Redistribute California's Water? Not Without A Fight : The Salt : NPR

10 percent of Californiaâ??s water goes to almond farming.

[baddog]

Jerry Brown has made me consider changing my last name. I remember when it was
cute that I had a brother named Pat and another with the middle name of Edmund but fuck Brown. If I had an opportunity to save his life I would ignore it.

[oppoten]

To be fair, the Greeks never really understood water

Water (classical element) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[baddog]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

"70 percent of California's rainfall washes out to sea" if this figure is accurate what percent of Calif's usage does this represent?

I don't know if that is accurate or not but I live a couple miles from the beach (as the crow flies); there are many (most) of our public drains that are marked as going straight to the ocean. Others do go to sumps, some go to reservoirs.

[slapass]

How would environmentalists known that there was going to be less rainfall? The system was based on an average i am assuming and California is far below that average. Yep would have been cool to spend huge amounts on water storage systems but without the drought they would not have been needed right?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by slapass

How would environmentalists known that there was going to be less rainfall? The system was based on an average i am assuming and California is far below that average. Yep would have been cool to spend huge amounts on water storage systems but without the drought they would not have been needed right?

We have droughts on a fairly regular basis. Some, worse than others. The powers that be (fucking Democrats, because of all the liberal assholes that moved here) seem to be more concerned with hummingbirds and endangered fish no one has heard of.

[bronco67]

Don't pay attention to anything Carly Fiorini says. She's known as being one of the worst CEO's ever....cut 30,000 jobs while giving herself a pay raise at Hewlett Packard. That's who she is.

Snipped from complex.com

Carly Fiorina

Company: HP (1999 - 2005)

Biggest asshole moment: Forced soon-to-be fired employees to train their outsourced replacements.

Judging by a resume that consisted of 30,000 firings and a 50-percent HP stock decline, Fiorina is a sure shot for any worst CEO list. In 2001, she suggested employees take voluntary pay cuts, and while 86 percent agreed, she still outsourced thousands of jobs overseas and implemented huge layoffs. A 2008 article in Entrepreneur Magazine touched on the employee morale during Fiorina’s reign: "A survey of 8,000 employees revealed widespread unhappiness about poor communication and poorly implemented decisions...Some workers booed the CEO at company meetings.” Even during her run for Senate last year, Sen. Barbara Boxer released a viral ad claiming Fiorina fired thousands and “tripled her salary, bought a million dollar yacht and five corporate jets” as CEO. HP cut her loose and offered a $42 million severance package to never come back. After hearing the news, employees rejoiced and supposedly proclaimed, “The witch is dead.”

She sounds perfect for the Republican party.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

The critics say California gets plenty of water to meet its needs, if it were only managed properly. More than half of California’s surface water flows from the Sierra Nevada mountains in the east down to the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta in Northern California. Much of the mountain runoff is managed by two of the world’s largest water storage and transport systems – the federal Central Valley Project and California's State Water Project. Each is a system of dams, reservoirs and distribution systems designed to send water to cities, towns and farms throughout the state.

But the vast majority of the state’s 1,400 dams and reservoirs, in the two massive systems and smaller ones that supply southern California, were built well before the 1980s. Environmentalists have since stopped the construction of water storage and delivery systems through legal and political actions. They have also fought to ensure that captured water is released into streams and the ocean -- rather than the water delivery system -- in order to boost fish populations and dilute the salinity of the delta.

“Droughts are nothing new in California, but right now, 70 percent of California's rainfall washes out to sea

Those bastards. Whose fucking idea is that rivers flow to oceans? Unbelievable. And this is worldwide problem.

[aka123]

Though, it came into my mind that Soviets did have plans reversing rivers flow direction. Mericans could continue from where this great country left off. As CCCP did have so happy ending too, especially environmental wise. For example the plan to drain Aral Sea was great success.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by aka123

Those bastards. Whose fucking idea is that rivers flow to oceans? Unbelievable. And this is worldwide problem.

Add in Baddog'scomment that storm sewers near the ocean are not recycled. WTF is wrong with you guys in Cali? Let the Republicans in there and start damning this shit up. Free water for everyone!

[Sly]

Originally Posted by baddog

I don't know if that is accurate or not but I live a couple miles from the beach (as the crow flies); there are many (most) of our public drains that are marked as going straight to the ocean. Others do go to sumps, some go to reservoirs.

Doesn't the Los Angeles River *cough* dump right in as well? Man that has to be nasty.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Oh...so now I see. The water shortage is man-made because it can be blamed on evil democrats with their nefarious "caring about the environment" thing. Sometimes conservatives are so fucking stupid it makes my head spin.

That is the exact same logic on which crocket and co operates and this thread is probably making a mockery out of that.
Of course like a typical "liberal" you are able to see only one side and ignore that the other side does the same thing.
Shame how people can be that ignorant yet think they are actually smart

[baddog]

Originally Posted by slapass

Add in Baddog'scomment that storm sewers near the ocean are not recycled. WTF is wrong with you guys in Cali? Let the Republicans in there and start damning this shit up. Free water for everyone!

Since you do not live here I will cut you a little slack. Not all storm sewers around here go straight to the ocean. It really depends on where you are and when the last time was that the systems were upgraded.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by baddog

Since you do not live here I will cut you a little slack. Not all storm sewers around here go straight to the ocean. It really depends on where you are and when the last time was that the systems were upgraded.

I understand that. The point is that up until this drought there was not an issue. I understand planning etc but we are a bit off the map here. No one wanted to pay for tons of upgrades without a problem so it is less of a political issue versus a practical one. Picking sides and saying they did it is not likely to help solve it.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by slapass

I understand that. The point is that up until this drought there was not an issue. I understand planning etc but we are a bit off the map here. No one wanted to pay for tons of upgrades without a problem so it is less of a political issue versus a practical one. Picking sides and saying they did it is not likely to help solve it.

Politicians have no incentive to plan for the future. Their only goal is to get reelected. If getting reelected means pushing off a real project that needs to be done in exchange for a happy feeling project that will get votes, they have no problem pushing off the real work.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by slapass

I understand that. The point is that up until this drought there was not an issue. I understand planning etc but we are a bit off the map here. No one wanted to pay for tons of upgrades without a problem so it is less of a political issue versus a practical one. Picking sides and saying they did it is not likely to help solve it.

It is much deeper than that, and it has been an issue since before this particular drought but you don't know CA and I have other things to do than to educate you about it.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Oh...so now I see. The water shortage is man-made because it can be blamed on evil democrats with their nefarious "caring about the environment" thing. Sometimes conservatives are so fucking stupid it makes my head spin.

Grape Soda has been linked to brain damage after all..

[dyna mo]

libtard environmentalists wasted ~1 million acre feet of water a couple years ago to save 300 minnows from possible death.

that's just one ridiculous example i can think of off the top of my head.

[TheSquealer]

I'm old enough to remember non stop bullshit where environmentalists were blocking all these water management plans for any and every reason they could think of when I was little.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Sly

Politicians have no incentive to plan for the future. Their only goal is to get reelected. If getting reelected means pushing off a real project that needs to be done in exchange for a happy feeling project that will get votes, they have no problem pushing off the real work.

Work creates jobs. i think they are pretty happy to waste resources etc but long term it doesn't look good. So now we have an issue and they need to do something.

[dyna mo]

this thread reminds me, i need to watch chinatown again! art imitates life eh.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by slapass

Work creates jobs. i think they are pretty happy to waste resources etc but long term it doesn't look good. So now we have an issue and they need to do something.

No, there was an issue 30 years ago. People were aggressively trying to prevent the problem which is preventable, from getting to this point where one of the nations largest agricultural economies didn't needlessly collapse.

California is a disaster economically - businesses have been leaving in droves for years, the film industry is collapsing and ships its business all over the world and agriculture is falling apart etc etc etc but taxes never stop going up, rules and regulations for starting a new biz never stop multiplying and the state does nothing at all to fix things.

[JJ Gold]

Originally Posted by baddog

Jerry Brown has made me consider changing my last name. I remember when it was
cute that I had a brother named Pat and another with the middle name of Edmund but fuck Brown. If I had an opportunity to save his life I would ignore it.

Are you related to Bad, Bad Leroy Brown?

I'm asking for a friend.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

Are you related to Bad, Bad Leroy Brown?

I'm asking for a friend.

In the early 70's I was the subject of several song parodies.

[SongRider]

ONLY a fucking retarded Right wing nutjob (or collection of them) could take the FACT that NO meaningful rain or snow to speak of in the last 2 years has fallen in California and make that into a political blame game...

Check the sources for these articles... ALL REPUBLICAN idiots...

The environment matters... don't let these assholes convince you that it don't.

Its a fucking DROUGHT! A REALLY BAD fucking drought... They happen folks... To RED states and BLUE states...

With NORMAL rain...

SAME in a drought...

[poncabare]

Liberals good... Conservatives bad...

[poncabare]

Originally Posted by aka123

Though, it came into my mind that Soviets did have plans reversing rivers flow direction. Mericans could continue from where this great country left off. As CCCP did have so happy ending too, especially environmental wise. For example the plan to drain Aral Sea was great success.

What is this babbling?

[aka123]

Originally Posted by SongRider

ONLY a fucking retarded Right wing nutjob (or collection of them) could take the FACT that NO meaningful rain or snow to speak of in the last 2 years has fallen in California and make that into a political blame game...

Check the sources for these articles... ALL REPUBLICAN idiots...

The environment matters... don't let these assholes convince you that it don't.

Its a fucking DROUGHT! A REALLY BAD fucking drought... They happen folks... To RED states and BLUE states...

I would like to point out that California uses unsustainable amounts of water, whether it is Noah-season or drought.

Also, I think this has little to do with parties. As there are basically only 2 of those in US and those can't be that different to be able to rule for US centuries. Not saying voters wouldn't be different, but parties ain't that much. Fucking scam if you ask me.