mopek1

I started reading about affiliates experiencing this phenomenon since around that time, May-Sept 2022. Newbs, veterans, it didn't matter.

Again, can't be a coincidence and can't just be post pandemic or else every other program would have a similar effect.

bill_musk

oh boy here again with some shady conspiracies.

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mopek1

Bill, it doesn't help that you say things like this. I didn't say that CB was conspiring against affiliates, or that they were somehow cheating us, or that there is something sinister going on.

I am merely pointing out that many of us are experiencing something similar that is negative, that started around the same time, that we are not experiencing with other programs, and that something if off.

The fact that you and a few others call us whiners or crazy doesn't help any. It doesn't validate that something is indeed off and it can't all be coincidence. You offer no other "solid" explanation, except to try to argue back and tell us we don't have enough stats (even if some of us use the tool) or that we don't make enough money monthly to make these claims (even when some of us do).

Maybe, there is something going on that doesn't have to do with CB. Who knows. I can say there have been enough affiliates in this thread who have experienced losing many spenders only having to go through the annoying process of trying to get them back - which shouldn't have to happen. Maybe that's what's going on, or maybe that isn't a big factor at all.

Something is going on for many affiliates that shouldn't. What you should be saying here is, "Hmm. For this many affiliates to come forward with their stats and support stories and decreasing earnings that started at the same time, is concerning. Maybe some are whining, but there have been enough who post with similarities that can't be ignored. It is of concern and I don't know what can be causing it. I know I'm making bank with CB and I am interested in this because I don't want whatever anomaly is happening to them to happen to me too. I will continue to call out those who I feel have no grounds to complain like newbs etc, but will at least listen and converse with those who do."

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Sloane

May was a good month here.

GoCastaway

Well said, +1

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bill_musk

Well that's where you are probably wrong. About 10 people complained overall over the year. 10 people. I trust CB has over 10,000 active affiliates if not more. Go to The other forums specialized (AmberCutie forums for example). There is no consensus, no complaints.

I feel like we're an echo chamber of people making $500 / month for 2 years straight and then having 2 spenders stopping spending and all of a suden "something must be wrong".

So far I have seen stats of ONE unique person that was gaining >$5000 per month constantly and had a huge drop. That is problematic, yet it doesnt mean there is a problem with CB.

For each person complaining I can probably find 20 person that had no problems.


Now I'm all ears. let people come to me with graphs, and I'll be glad to say I'm wrong. But so far, it's a only few anonymous people making less than a salary per month in CB stats.

NOBODY posted a screenshot of their chart going downhill, NOBODY. So why should we take such problem "seriously?"


EDIT: I tried to engage with everyone who said had a problem. They couldnt share any details. Thats BS.

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mopek1

I worked in the restaurant industry and the corporate big shots would always be asking about complaints. They would tell me that for each complaint, there were 50 that would never say anything so they gathered all the complaints up and asked us waiters as well.

So I'm sure your number above is also true. 20, or 50, who knows but I don't mean again to say there is a huge problem and that most/all affiliates are being affected. I imagine if most were being affected the whole adult industry would be rocked - link buying, traffic buying, content, coding etc... everything to do with cams and specifically CB would be affected as resources that went into promoting CB would suddenly shift in a big way. I'm simply saying that there is something amiss and maybe it's worth taking seriously and not dismissing so easily.

I also see that you do engage and that people don't necessarily engage back so I understand why you would be skeptical.

fuzebox

This is my take from this thread as well.

muze

Uh.... I just did a few posts ago. I'm not saying there's a conspiracy though it is disappointing that most of my biggest spenders have dropped off suddenly. I checked with CB and they found only one that was taken away from me.

That's where I was during the pandemic
2020/2021 at least $5000/month on average. Some months were like $7000+
Before and since are about $1800-$2400/month
Pandemic over, stimulus money gone, less free time/less working from home, etc
Although in 2019 my numbers were around 3500/4000/month, no pandemic then.

Is the pandemic the sole reason for those high numbers and then a huge drop? I mean so many people were suddenly out a job. Unemployment money? Stimulus money wasn't really that much money...

I haven't tried a different cam affiliate (I'm about to add a new one into the mix).

Thanks for your stats tool, it's illuminating.

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fuzebox

For many people in adult and mainstream, 2020-2021 was a massive boom that many people haven't seen in years. If you didn't capitalize on that to grow and stabilize your business, that's on you.

mopek1

I had to work 70% less so that I could take care of my kids who had a hard time with virtual learning + help them with the despair they felt.

But what would be your answer to the poster's question above?

Is the pandemic to blame? Why did he have good stats in 2019? I understand everyone was online in 2020/2021 to fuel the boom. But why are things worse now for him (and us) than in 2019?

Or if it's not the pandemic, what's the cause of the decline? I'm curious, not trying to fight.

fuzebox

I'm confused at that poster as he first said "before and since are 1800-2400", implying that his stats were lower in 2019. He then says he made 3500 in 2019.

To be honest the difference between 1800 and 2400 and 3500 monthly is close to nothing in the grand scheme. That $20-60 per day is such a small sample size, at these traffic volumes you are at the whim of whatever mood your handful of spenders are in that day/week/month.

If you ask me what the cause of the decline is, without knowing everyone's business model, I would say it is relying on outdated strategies like creating a randomwebcamwhitelabel.com and buying a handful of links to it and hoping for some lucky scraps from google off of page 37 on a random keyword.

My biggest problem with most people in this thread (and the standard beer-money hobbyist GFYer in general) is they tend to throw some random shit at the wall sometimes, refresh stats, and pray for the best, without having any way to scale or reproduce results.

If you don't know what your cost to acquire a customer is, you don't actually have a business.

muze

I'm doing just fine and have my plans for growth in the works. CB isn't my only revenue stream (it's got the majority yes), and my business isn't my only source of income (has the majority there as well).

Capitalize on what exactly - users throwing their free money away and then running out of money?

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muze

Sorry, I meant up to 2018 and around 2022 til now I had those lower numbers.

2019 was a better year than those.

Ok fair. but I was making 200-300% more during the pandemic so I'm adjusting to that.

EDIT: Actually more than that. My comparison was between the pandemic earnings vs the rest. So 5000-7000/month is a big difference to 1800-2400-3500. It is to me.
I added in the 2019 average just to point out that year was better (may seem like chump change to you, but it was better) - and I was a bit conservative - it was hitting close to $4000 most months for that year.

Dude I get more than beer money traffic. I've never bought a link (I do SELL hard links - and those have also slowed down a bit) I'm #1 keywords for my niche tube site. I know tube sites don't convert great - but against those odds I still make a living thanks to Chatb and other ads. And now I'm putting the time in for growth (premium membership which for reasons not important was impossible before)

There's some good advice in this thread, and I'm heeding it. I never even used a whitelabel until a week ago. And I still did okay. My main website in the early 2000s was fairly different and I made a lot more back then (and paid a lot more taxes). When that was drying up I switched tactics and it took a few years for the tube site to become profitable, but it is now.

I'm sure I don't have your numbers, but I'm doing alright.

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fuzebox

Hey sorry, I'm just ranting at the general attitude I see on GFY as a whole, and responding to mopek1's downer attitude.

Didn't mean to single you out beyond the pandemic boost which was temporary and to me was an opportunity to double down, expand, and start new shit.

muze

No worries man, I appreciate advice - and generally went my own way for 20 years (the beginning took off so fast that I kinda stayed in my own world).

Didn't mean to rant back lol - just some venting.

You're right - I used my pandemic time for my other career. But better late than never.

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trevesty

Welcome to GFY.

muze

You didn't message me, although I wasn't asking for extra help beyond the cb stats tool. Just clarifying. I already shared stats and I have more I could post. But I'm not trying to prove a problem, I'm planning on mo better revenue. I'll see how things go and report back in a month

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mopek1

I felt I was trying to get a serious discussion going with you and Bill. True, I was feeling down about the stats issue, but still, trying to get answers and open to being wrong.

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bill_musk

Glad we can have constructive discussions with mopek, muze and fuzebox.

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whooooops... don't know when that broke, thanks for letting me know

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Speigelau

Agree completely with what Bill said here and in this thread. There are so many factors that can come into play that impact the ups and downs of cam revshare earnings. When earnings are steady or rising month after month, nobody says anything, but if there is month over month declines then some often quickly assume that there must be a problem on Chaturbate's end.

Using Bill's tool, you want to look at total number of unique spenders as well as the month over month "30 days active spenders" for the last year. This usually will give you an idea of the affilliate's core group of regular spenders, the higher this number, generally the less of a fluctuation you'll see in month over month earnings.

Revshare cam earnings are made up of regular spenders (2+ spends per week), infrequent spenders (< 3 spends per month), drive by spenders (1 session of spends and then never return) and whales ($1000+ per month long term)

I believe long term sustained revshare earnings comes mostly from the core group of regular spenders. Sure losing a whale here and there can have a dramatic impact on earnings in the short term, especially if you don't have a large base of 30 days active spenders. I see too many affiliates get comfortable with a whale spending and then base their income projections on that whale or whales continuing to spend at their current level. That thinking is just not sustainable.

Here are the total spend amounts of the top 10 in my top 50 spenders that haven't spent in the last year, presumed gone forever.

$85,000
$81,000
$72,000
$52,000
$49,000
$40,000
$38,000
$23,000
$20,000
$15,000

That's almost a half million right there just in those 10 whales that I most likely will never see a penny from again. Sure they all had an impact on my earnings, but I can't whine and complain every time one of them stops spending.

Long term sustained earnings comes from keeping that core group of regular spenders and adding new ones each month to offset the one's you'll lose. In my experience with CB, you'll start to get consistent passive income when you can average 50 active 30 day spenders. Get the average up to 100+ and maintain it and the fluctuations will decrease as earnings stay consistent.

Today I got a new spender that initially signed up to my whitelabel over 8 years ago, unbelievable.

fuzebox

Nice writeup and thank you for backing it up with numbers

Speigelau

Thanks, also to reiterate what you said a few posts up. The 2020-21 customer spending during the pandemic was an anomaly that gave many affiliates a false set of expectations.

All of a sudden people were out of work or working from home and couldn't travel or go out. Average personal internet usage skyrocketed. This combined with many people all of a sudden having much more discretionary income led to many months where my average earnings doubled and even tripled with hardly any new spenders.

Then in 2022 as the pandemic subsided, my earnings fell month after month down to my usual averages. I watched many affiliates panic during this time thinking something must be wrong with CB because they didn't adequately account for the bump that the pandemic brought.

mopek1

Thanks for your reply and for trying to present an argument instead of putting people down.

It seems like you're saying that cams are not like other adult programs, in that in order to make consistent money you need to be a higher level affiliate.

With paysites and dating a person can make $500/month consistently with a modest amount of traffic over a period of years. But you're saying that with cams there a far fewer spenders (meaningful ones anyway), and so an affiliate has to have LOTS of traffic, consistently over a long period of time in order to catch a consistent amount of whales.

I get it and I do see that pattern in cams in general.

I'm not sure it fully explains why so many affiliates experienced such a downturn around the same time (there was an affiliate above who used to make $5-6000/month and now only makes $2k, all things being equal) but it definitely makes sense and would be a factor for any small to medium sized affiliate.

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bill_musk

Not sure if you refer to me, but I'm sorry It feels like I try to put people down. For anyone reading through the forum for a while, I've been trying to get through the complaint for well over a year, even developed a tool years ago to make sure people understand the industry.


There are not "many" affiliates. As mentioned before, the one we see here are considered "very few".
The example you take is the ONLY example, that I mentioned, that is weird on this forum. We don't draw conclusion or theories on 1/10000th of affiliates.

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bill_musk

Very well written. Thank you for backing this up.

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mopek1

Not really, it's more of a gfy mood type of thing that's seen in other threads too. It's been that way for awhile. So I'm talking about the mood from an overall push-back from the start of this thread.







Yeah, I guess I assume that most adult affiliates are here as the other adult forums I've heard of or visited seemed small. But point taken.

Speigelau

I may have confused you somewhat with my post. I never mentioned traffic in my post at all. Cams have way more upside than dating and generally I'd say a much higher return on investment. Dating revshare is limited to a fixed amount per month from each spender, whereas cam earnings are unlimited and the average return from a cam spender is generally much higher than a month to month dating member. The only reason I'd ever consider sending traffic to dating over cams is if I had a very niche traffic source of visitors specifically looking to meet someone offline.

I was trying to express that you need to build up your core group of regular cam spenders and then be able to replenish lost ones consistently in order to maintain solid month over month income. To some, that may mean you have to generate a ton of traffic, whereas with others with high quality niche specific traffic, it may not require that much.

I didn't read above about the affiliate's income that went down, did the 5-6k a month happen in 20-21? You say so many affiliates had downturns around the same time, what time frame was this? As I said earlier, you don't hear about the affiliates with steady or increasing earnings, only the ones why are upset that theirs went down.

There's no way to figure out why his earnings went down without digging into his stats history using Bill's stats enhancer. He could have had a few whales that made up a large % of his income and once they left, there was a drastic drop. I currently have a spender that has spent $119k in 3 years. His spending has tapered way off in the last 6 months and that certainly impacted my earnings.

I'd much rather be making 5k a month off a monthly average of 100 "30 day active spenders" vs 6k a month off a monthly average of 40 "30 day active spenders". In the long run I'll make way more off the core group of 100 spenders even though their average spend is much lower.

mopek1

I imagine though that even if you had niche traffic you still would have to have a lot as even niche surfers can be freeloaders. But I agree that if someone had lots of tube traffic (1 million hits) that they'd be outdone by someone with niche cam traffic (50,000 hits).

Colmike9

I'd take 1000 niche cam hits over 1mil tube hits all day

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Did CB changed something today ? I just got two chargebacks from two different users (-16.00, -.4.20), I never saw that before, I checked my last 2000 purchases history and I never had one.

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Those are normal, I've seen way higher CBs. Just ignore it and keep going.

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Ok thank you

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MobileVRXXX

So a quick update from me on the CB front. (and here is the BIG problem with them)


I sent 5 different mails in the last 60 days


Mail 1 - 21 Users

Mail 2 - 16 users (no new users added)

Mail 3 - 2 users ( included in each of the previous mails )

Mail 4 - 11 users ( Just 1 user that was not included in any of the mails )

Mail 5 - 11 users ( same as the previous one )

They responded to 3 mails and each time they will say a different amount of users were found to be signed up during a different ID

It was something like 1,3,2

How is that even possible is beyond me.

The worst part is that I specifically ask them to tell me the ID of the user they are returning to me and his new ID so I can keep track but they don't give that info.

So next time I want to ask I have to include all users that I have already asked about

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GoCastaway

Got something like that too, and they didn't give me wich ID's. Why can't they give the user UID? that tells nothing about who it is, but we can see who has been returned and who not.

Imo the CB system is not working very good, because i see hits that i cannot explain.
1) I get PPS hits, i never used PPS and not one site of me has it.
2) I get embedded cam hits, on not one of my sites i have embedded cams.

So i asked how it's possible that i get that above hits, not a letter answer...

The only thing what i know for sure, is that i have until today 0.00 revenue for this period, but CB is telling me that everything on my account looks fine, runs good etc etc.

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zijlstravideo

Same goes for quality paysite offers, even in 2023.

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Do you have examples?

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zerovic

I also asked them to review some users who disappeared. Here's something interesting. Models are way smarter than before. My biggest spender still uses his old account and even spends small amounts monthly. He uses another, or maybe multiple accounts at the same time, to make sure he stays under the radar.. Anyway, CB support did an amazing job once again, I got 8 users back along with $12k.

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mrmister

Are you just sending them all your top spenders ID from cb-stats?

MobileVRXXX

What is the process of finding someone who still uses his old account but mainly spends on the new ones?

The same report and they just see the same credentials etc?

Regards

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CamSoda - $150 PPS. Some stats for 1 February 2021 - 12 February 2021: 5098 clicks - 119 Free sign-ups - 7 Paids signups - $1050 Profit

NickBaer

That worked!

Should re-name GFY to "Go Find Your Loot"!

NickBaer

That worked!

Should re-name GFY to "Go Find Your Loot"!

Shoplifter

Has there been some sort of change to using tags with the API v2?

I could chain &tag=tag1&tag=tag2&tag=tag3 but as of today it is only showing the last tag.

NickBaer

&tag=tag3 is tag3, you replaced tag1 with tag2, then with tag3.

TurboB

Anyone see huge spike in free regs couple of days ago?