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crockett · 02-02-2016, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

you sure read a lot out of a state that votes for christian nutters.

It's not just Iowa, it's the same in all the polls. Trump, Cruz & Rubio are split in the 20's each. When the Republican establishment voters are no longer slipt, Trump stands no chance.

As I said he only looks ok now because it's always been a 4 to 3-way race. Doesn't matter if its national or specific states. It's the same percentages.

Far-L · 02-02-2016, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Planned Parenthood is a private organization.

As for a businessman being President...the Presidency is ONE branch of three equal branches.
It is the EXECUTIVE branch.

So yeah...an actual person with real life executive experience would be a great fit.

We've all seen what lifetime bureaucrats have done for us (wars, spying, 20 trillion in debt, etc.).

"Planned Parenthood has received federal funding since 1970, when President Richard Nixon signed into law the Family Planning Services and Population Research Act, amending the Public Health Service Act."

Boeing is a company too but that doesn't mean that most of its money doesn't come from the Federal Government too.

Also "Executive" of business and "Executive" in politics differ in many ways. That should be obvious. You could try and say that the legislative branch is like shareholders but that would be just as misleading as saying Trump will make a great President because he was a great businessman. What do you mean by "real life experience"? Being able to build golf courses in places by bending local governments to violate people's land rights somehow is going to make him a great president? How?

TampaToker · 02-02-2016, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Planned Parenthood is a private organization.

As for a businessman being President...the Presidency is ONE branch of three equal branches.
It is the EXECUTIVE branch.

So yeah...an actual person with real life executive experience would be a great fit.

We've all seen what lifetime bureaucrats have done for us (wars, spying, 20 trillion in debt, etc.).

20 Trillion? lets try 101 trillion and growing! Thats about $884k per taxpayer

Robbie · 02-02-2016, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

"Planned Parenthood has received federal funding since 1970, when President Richard Nixon signed into law the Family Planning Services and Population Research Act, amending the Public Health Service Act."

Boeing is a company too but that doesn't mean that most of its money doesn't come from the Federal Government too.

Also "Executive" of business and "Executive" in politics differ in many ways. That should be obvious. You could try and say that the legislative branch is like shareholders but that would be just as misleading as saying Trump will make a great President because he was a great businessman. What do you mean by "real life experience"? Being able to build golf courses in places by bending local governments to violate people's land rights somehow is going to make him a great president? How?

Getting federal funding doesn't make it a government program as you insinuated in your post.

As for Boeing...yeah, they build stuff for the military and get paid. Big difference.

And yes, I do mean owning and running a company makes you an executive. You're acting dumb about this because you just don't like Trump.

No need to make foolish statements. Just say: "I don't like the guy and I don't think he'll make a good President".
Everything else you are saying is pure foolishness...especially the parts where you feign to not understand the difference between "real life" (you know, the shit WE do...making a living) as opposed to lifetime/career bureaucrats who are not much more than leeches living off of the taxpayer teat.

Nobody gives a fuck what my opinion is. And trust me...nobody cares about yours either.

But we can both opine anyway to our hearts content.

To me you look really dumb saying an actual executive isn't qualified to run the executive branch of govt.
And that's my opinion.

Far-L · 02-02-2016, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Getting federal funding doesn't make it a government program as you insinuated in your post.

As for Boeing...yeah, they build stuff for the military and get paid. Big difference.

And yes, I do mean owning and running a company makes you an executive. You're acting dumb about this because you just don't like Trump.

No need to make foolish statements. Just say: "I don't like the guy and I don't think he'll make a good President".
Everything else you are saying is pure foolishness...especially the parts where you feign to not understand the difference between "real life" (you know, the shit WE do...making a living) as opposed to lifetime/career bureaucrats who are not much more than leeches living off of the taxpayer teat.

Nobody gives a fuck what my opinion is. And trust me...nobody cares about yours either.

But we can both opine anyway to our hearts content.

To me you look really dumb saying an actual executive isn't qualified to run the executive branch of govt.
And that's my opinion.

You can call me foolish but show me the company that removes its chief executive every 8 years due to "ceo term limits".

You are right. Our opinions are worth nothing but it sure is not really making a suberb case for your great executive when you essentially run to the same immature logic he resorts to in order to make your point. Rather than actually trying to say anything salient about what would make him a good president, you just attack me as being "foolish".

Carter was a businessman. I thought he did a great job although most would say he was a failure. Obama, Clinton, attorney backgrounds, think they know about "real world" too. Politicians get "fired" all the time when they get taken out of office for poor performance. What is not "real life" about that? Besides getting Mexico to build a wall and killing entire families of terrorists, even innocent infants if necessary, what Trump policy / solution can you possibly identify? Or are all the right and left pundits asking that question too just foolish as well? Surprised he is not making a reality show out of his run. I always liked the way he said "you're fired".

Barry-xlovecam · 02-03-2016, 05:20 AM

The POTUS cannot tell a Justice of the SCOTUS "you're fired".

Government does not work that way in the USA.

The CEO of a business can only be fired by the corporation's Board of Directors and elected by the stockholders. Corporate governance is totally dissimilar from government.

The objective of a for-profit corporation is to make a profit.
The purpose of a government is to take money (taxes) for the benefit of the governed and for themselves.

When a corporation fucks-up royally it does a Chapter 11 and screws its creditors. The US government cannot declare bankruptcy. All debt is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment. Government can only devalue its currency or increase debt -- it's a side-step bankruptcy -- but government screws all the people by taking the value of their assets.

So, when you say America needs to be run like a business you are just full of shit and a know nothing.

If the USA was run like a for-profit corporation our government would be a dictatorship -- we would do what the boss says or be shot. Governments have armies with guns and can force their will on you under penalty of death -- the government is the law -- the government is the final arbitrator. This is why there is a 2nd Amendment

"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty." -- Barnhill, John Basil (1914).

mce · 02-03-2016, 02:43 PM

NH is the big test for The Donald. If he wins that and SC, he might just blast through to victory.

ilnjscb · 02-03-2016, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The POTUS cannot tell a Justice of the SCOTUS "you're fired".

Government does not work that way in the USA.

The CEO of a business can only be fired by the corporation's Board of Directors and elected by the stockholders. Corporate governance is totally dissimilar from government.

The objective of a for-profit corporation is to make a profit.
The purpose of a government is to take money (taxes) for the benefit of the governed and for themselves.

When a corporation fucks-up royally it does a Chapter 11 and screws its creditors. The US government cannot declare bankruptcy. All debt is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment. Government can only devalue its currency or increase debt -- it's a side-step bankruptcy -- but government screws all the people by taking the value of their assets.

So, when you say America needs to be run like a business you are just full of shit and a know nothing.

If the USA was run like a for-profit corporation our government would be a dictatorship -- we would do what the boss says or be shot. Governments have armies with guns and can force their will on you under penalty of death -- the government is the law -- the government is the final arbitrator. This is why there is a 2nd Amendment

"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty." -- Barnhill, John Basil (1914).

1. Neither Sanders nor Trump could actually do what they say they can do.
2. People ARE afraid of the government. Now either party is basically the same, running up debt, fighting pointless wars by throwing cash at them, and destroying civil liberties.

Rochard · 02-03-2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Neither Sanders nor Trump could actually do what they say they can do.

I think is very, very true. When a President - or leader of any country for that matter - takes office, they want to accomplish certain things. However, the truth is almost no matter what they want to do, half of the people are directly opposed to it from day one. You have to sell it to the public first, Congress second, fund it, and hope that it doesn't get shot down after it's all been approved.

Obamacare is a great example. Some of us think it's good, others bad, and we seem to be split via party lines. Obama had to sell it to the public (remember the discussions about death panels?), then Congress, and still he has to defend it.

It's very easy to say "We are going to build a wall". If it was so simple to do, why haven't we do it? I mean, other than the fact it cost hundreds of billions of dollars, take a decade to build, and for the most part would be completely ineffective? It's easy to say "We are going to beat China" but... If we impose tariffs, all our electronics will cost more. We are going to beat China by paying more for our products?

ITraffic · 02-04-2016, 11:44 AM

The Business of Hiring a Fake Crowd for Political Campaigns - The Atlantic

Rochard · 02-04-2016, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

The Business of Hiring a Fake Crowd for Political Campaigns - The Atlantic

That is seriously fucked up.

TampaToker · 02-04-2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

The Business of Hiring a Fake Crowd for Political Campaigns - The Atlantic

Kinda funny if true since Trump got he second highest vote count ever in Iowa cacus

Paul Markham · 02-05-2016, 12:01 AM

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We've all seen what lifetime bureaucrats have done for us (wars, spying, 20 trillion in debt, etc.).

Bought and paid for "lifetime bureaucrats". So going direct to the buyers makes so much sense.

The reason for the debt is simple. Americans don't pay enough taxes. Big business buys political power, in order to get low taxes on businesses and the wealthy, and all the government spending.

Look where Government spending ends up, taxes on companies and the rich and you'll get a clearer picture.

Paul Markham · 02-05-2016, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I think is very, very true. When a President - or leader of any country for that matter - takes office, they want to accomplish certain things. However, the truth is almost no matter what they want to do, half of the people are directly opposed to it from day one. You have to sell it to the public first, Congress second, fund it, and hope that it doesn't get shot down after it's all been approved.

Obamacare is a great example. Some of us think it's good, others bad, and we seem to be split via party lines. Obama had to sell it to the public (remember the discussions about death panels?), then Congress, and still he has to defend it.

It's very easy to say "We are going to build a wall". If it was so simple to do, why haven't we do it? I mean, other than the fact it cost hundreds of billions of dollars, take a decade to build, and for the most part would be completely ineffective? It's easy to say "We are going to beat China" but... If we impose tariffs, all our electronics will cost more. We are going to beat China by paying more for our products?

Obamacare more than any other piece of legislation exposed the problem with politics. The people would benefit hugely with a healthcare system based on what the rest of the Modern World has. They have voted for the Presidential candidates pushing for it. I believe if given a referendum the people would vote for it. Yet once the politicians got hold of it, Obamacare rather than costing less, put costs up.

A wall is buildable, politicians won't allow it. The biggest benefactors of migration are businesses.

Yes, imposing tariffs will mean paying more for imported goods. It will lower the cost of Social Benefits, crime, justice and prisons, raise taxes and lower debt. The US was great when it was a manufacturing powerhouse to the world. The slide to number two or three, won't stop while it's a sponge soaking up cheap imported goods.

On another point. People talk about % of voters for different candidates. What were the numbers for the Democrat v Republicans? That's the most interesting figures.

mce · 02-05-2016, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

The Business of Hiring a Fake Crowd for Political Campaigns - The Atlantic

Seriously? So you're saying many of those people freezing their nuts and ovaries off at NH are paid attendees?

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	The POTUS cannot tell a Justice of the SCOTUS "you're fired". Government does not work that way in the USA. The CEO of a business can only be fired by the corporation's Board of Directors and elected by the stockholders. Corporate governance is totally dissimilar from government. The objective of a for-profit corporation is to make a profit. The purpose of a government is to take money (taxes) for the benefit of the governed and for themselves. When a corporation fucks-up royally it does a Chapter 11 and screws its creditors. The US government cannot declare bankruptcy. All debt is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment. Government can only devalue its currency or increase debt -- it's a side-step bankruptcy -- but government screws all the people by taking the value of their assets. So, when you say America needs to be run like a business you are just full of shit and a know nothing. If the USA was run like a for-profit corporation our government would be a dictatorship -- we would do what the boss says or be shot. Governments have armies with guns and can force their will on you under penalty of death -- the government is the law -- the government is the final arbitrator. This is why there is a 2nd Amendment "Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty." -- Barnhill, John Basil (1914).

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