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Old 10-08-2016, 10:09 AM   #101
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Sucks when your candidate is so bad that you can pound them for 17 months without double dipping huh? I remember when you were smarter.
Not sure where the insult came from, but okay.

Both candidates are terrible. It's appalling and embarrassing for the Democratic Party that Clinton is not stomping him to the ground, but she's not. This guy has been blasted by the whole world for the last 17 months and he is still hanging on there somehow. Ultimately I think she will win, barely. That is sad. That is pathetic.

It has already been said over and over again that women will not vote for him because of his other antics. This recent "bomb," who is it really going to impact? Women that already don't want to vote for him? The conservatives that already don't want to vote for him? What votes is he losing?

And is anyone even really shocked about this? What is news? What is surprising?
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Old 10-08-2016, 10:18 AM   #103
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Not sure where the insult came from, but okay.

Both candidates are terrible. It's appalling and embarrassing for the Democratic Party that Clinton is not stomping him to the ground, but she's not. This guy has been blasted by the whole world for the last 17 months and he is still hanging on there somehow. Ultimately I think she will win, barely. That is sad. That is pathetic.

It has already been said over and over again that women will not vote for him because of his other antics. This recent "bomb," who is it really going to impact? Women that already don't want to vote for him? The conservatives that already don't want to vote for him? What votes is he losing?

And is anyone even really shocked about this? What is news? What is surprising?
A blowout is impossible with a country divided in the way the USA is currently. Not going to happen without something catastrophic happening.

But yes, Trump is losing votes and support due to this. Both my MIL and FIL turned a blind eye until yesterday when this video came out. Politicians are denouncing him, Independents are jumping firmly to Hillary, and all of this will continue. Hearing this on top of the ads she has been running showing his comments towards women have decimated him.
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Sucks when your candidate is so bad that you can pound them for 17 months without double dipping huh? I remember when you were smarter.
Sly seems to be thinking logical, looking at things objectively without being influenced by the media.

You seem to believe mainstream media / are brainwashed by their propaganda. You don't question why they constantly attack Trump and treat Clinton normally, while she is the one with the biggest, most serious scandals.

Therefore, you are not in the postion to say 'I remember when you were smarter', because you're clearly dumber.
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Not sure where the insult came from, but okay.

Both candidates are terrible. It's appalling and embarrassing for the Democratic Party that Clinton is not stomping him to the ground, but she's not. This guy has been blasted by the whole world for the last 17 months and he is still hanging on there somehow. Ultimately I think she will win, barely. That is sad. That is pathetic.

It has already been said over and over again that women will not vote for him because of his other antics. This recent "bomb," who is it really going to impact? Women that already don't want to vote for him? The conservatives that already don't want to vote for him? What votes is he losing?

And is anyone even really shocked about this? What is news? What is surprising?
I had read recently that they estimate between 8-13% of likely voters are still undecided. Of those, the only ones that really matter are those that live in battleground states, some of which are showing that the election is very close in those states. This could cost him voters in those areas. Even if it is a small number of voters it could be enough to cost him some of those states. He already has limited paths to victory. This could give him even fewer.
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Welcome to the age when saying something "offensive" in a private conversation, as a private person, 11 years ago, against one from the ever expanding list of minorities and groups that are these days supposed to feel regularly offended, is supposed to be a "dealbreaker" in a presidential election.

And that against a candidate that's proven to be in bed with big business, by every means corrupt, has a terrible track record as a public servant including a key part in some of the worst foreign policy decisions in the modern history. Including a high probability of selling classiffied information (no she's really not this stupid) and even calling a good quarter of Americans deplorables.

Anything mentioned above would disqualify just about anybody from even seriously considering running for a president in a non-absurd world.

But here we are, "offended" - nothing much to add I guess.
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The entire Mormon church just came out against Trump. And those Mormons are loyal to what their church says. Utah is going blue this election lol.
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Welcome to the age when saying something "offensive" in a private conversation, as a private person, 11 years ago, against one from the ever expanding list of minorities and groups that are these days supposed to feel regularly offended, is supposed to be a "dealbreaker" in a presidential election.

And that against a candidate that's proven to be in bed with big business, by every means corrupt, has a terrible track record as a public servant including a key part in some of the worst foreign policy decisions in the modern history. Including a high probability of selling classiffied information (no she's really not this stupid) and even calling a good quarter of Americans deplorables.

Anything mentioned above would disqualify just about anybody from even seriously considering running for a president in a non-absurd world.

But here we are, "offended" - nothing much to add I guess.
This is Presidental election politics. If you run for President you have to know they are going to dig up every little skeleton in your closet that could make you look bad. Trump knew this would happen when he ran. He may not have remembered this specific incident, but he had to know his opponents would come after him with everything they could find.
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This is Presidental election politics. If you run for President you have to know they are going to dig up every little skeleton in your closet that could make you look bad. Trump knew this would happen when he ran. He may not have remembered this specific incident, but he had to know his opponents would come after him with everything they could find.
Yes seems a regular hatchet job timed just right while there's these HRC speeches online.

The thing is, apart from not acting presidential at any given opportunity he has, he also has a hard time to counter these political games.

One thing that's surprising me is the amount of GOP "officials" that are so "outraged" about this and vocal about withdrawing support, shouldn't they support their candidate? Or is this just a great opportunity to throw him under the bus, make sure establishment stays in the White house, and keep their establishment spot and image.
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Yes seems a regular hatchet job timed just right while there's these HRC speeches online.

The thing is, apart from not acting presidential at any given opportunity he has, he also has a hard time to counter these political games.

One thing that's surprising me is the amount of GOP "officials" that are so outraged about this and vocal about withdrawing support, shouldn't they support their candidate? Or is this just a great opportunity to throw him under the bus, make sure establishment stays in the White house, and keep their establishment spot and image.
I think they feel the election is over and are distancing themselves from him. The Republicans have had issues attracting Independent women voters for a while now, this won't help them.

It reminds me of the end of G.W. Bush's presidency. We were stuck in two wars we couldn't get out of and the economy was cratering. Republicans were like rats on a sinking ship trying to separate themselves from him and his policies. Trump is getting the same now.
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I think they feel the election is over and are distancing themselves from him. The Republicans have had issues attracting Independent women voters for a while now, this won't help them.

It reminds me of the end of G.W. Bush's presidency. We were stuck in two wars we couldn't get out of and the economy was cratering. Republicans were like rats on a sinking ship trying to separate themselves from him and his policies. Trump is getting the same now.
I somewhat feel that the Republican party will never be the same after Trump's run. The votes in the primaries clearly indicated who and what message the voters prefer, and it sure wasn't the Republican establishment theatre.
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I somewhat feel that the Republican party will never be the same after Trump's run. The votes in the primaries clearly indicated who and what message the voters prefer, and it sure wasn't the Republican establishment theatre.
They will have another moment like after Bush left office and they got their asses handed to them by the dems. I read today that some republican leaders area already calling for the party to get back to it's roots and go after gay marriage, abortion and move back to the far right to revitalize the base. Others in the party say they need to be more moderate. I think we will see a power struggle of sorts, but I also think denial will set in. They will just assume Trump was a bad candidate and they will be fine in 4 years. If they lose again in 4 years it could be chaos in the party.
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They will have another moment like after Bush left office and they got their asses handed to them by the dems. I read today that some republican leaders area already calling for the party to get back to it's roots and go after gay marriage, abortion and move back to the far right to revitalize the base. Others in the party say they need to be more moderate. I think we will see a power struggle of sorts, but I also think denial will set in. They will just assume Trump was a bad candidate and they will be fine in 4 years. If they lose again in 4 years it could be chaos in the party.
I am not sure how that will work with the actual Trump voters. Based on the feedback I read it appears to me as if plenty of the more moderate Republican voters have stayed Republican over the last 20 years mainly since they simply felt like an opposition to Democrats and their policies, with no other outlet available than their original / traditional one.

At least based on the most feedback I read from actual readers and commenters on more conservative media outlets, these appear to be majorly fed up with the GOP establishment that gets slammed not much less than the actual Democratic establishment. The same Republican establishment that tried anything possible to not let Trump with in the primaries and now ready to throw him under the bus to maintain the status quo. The feeling of betrayal may set in and I can see many terminating their party.

Indeed interesting times, if HRC is elected, it's likely to be a candidate that most sane Americans, who managed to do their homework about her, despise. I doubt there ever was in the history a candidate with so many proven counts of blatant corruption and acts against the national / public interest, with similarly negative rankings. And with a half of the country die hard against her.
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I am not sure how that will work with the actual Trump voters. Based on the feedback I read it appears to me as if plenty of the more moderate Republican voters have stayed Republican over the last 20 years mainly since they simply felt like an opposition to Democrats and their policies, with no other outlet available than their original / traditional one.

At least based on the most feedback I read from actual readers and commenters on more conservative media outlets, these appear to be majorly fed up with the GOP establishment that gets slammed not much less than the actual Democratic establishment.

Indeed interesting times, if HRC is elected, it's likely to be a candidate that most sane Americans, who managed to do their homework about her, despise. I doubt there ever was in the history a candidate with so many proven counts of blatant corruption and acts against the national / public interest, with similarly negative rankings.

And I wonder what happens next.
It is an interesting election for sure. When Clinton entered she had the lowest favorability rating of any candidate in history. . . until Trump entered. So together they are the most disliked candidates ever. If Hillary wins (and I think she will) it will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years. Will there be an influx of outsider candidates, especially on the republican side? Or will it be the same old establishment candidates? It's hard to say. I won't be shocked if the republicans work hard to find either a black or Hispanic candidate in hopes of pulling some of those minority voters away from the democrats. Of course, a lot of it has to do with how Hillary does as president. If she sucks it could be ripe time for the right republican. If she ends up doing well they might just pick a sacrificial lamb.
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It is an interesting election for sure. When Clinton entered she had the lowest favorability rating of any candidate in history. . . until Trump entered. So together they are the most disliked candidates ever. If Hillary wins (and I think she will) it will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years. Will there be an influx of outsider candidates, especially on the republican side? Or will it be the same old establishment candidates? It's hard to say. I won't be shocked if the republicans work hard to find either a black or Hispanic candidate in hopes of pulling some of those minority voters away from the democrats. Of course, a lot of it has to do with how Hillary does as president. If she sucks it could be ripe time for the right republican. If she ends up doing well they might just pick a sacrificial lamb.
Clinton has been attacked relentlessly for decades now. How many hearings did they have on Benghazi? Her negatives are mostly due to being under scrutiny for her entire political life.
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It is an interesting election for sure. When Clinton entered she had the lowest favorability rating of any candidate in history. . . until Trump entered. So together they are the most disliked candidates ever. If Hillary wins (and I think she will) it will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years. Will there be an influx of outsider candidates, especially on the republican side? Or will it be the same old establishment candidates? It's hard to say. I won't be shocked if the republicans work hard to find either a black or Hispanic candidate in hopes of pulling some of those minority voters away from the democrats. Of course, a lot of it has to do with how Hillary does as president. If she sucks it could be ripe time for the right republican. If she ends up doing well they might just pick a sacrificial lamb.
What appears as a sort of a masterplan from the Democrats/ establishment to elect Clinton is to actually give their voters an illusion of choice in Sanders campaigning, then kill his chances early with super delegates. Now the Sanders voters are likely to either stay home or vote Clinton. I doubt many would switch to Trump.

I would believe that GOP is about to lose many, many Trump voters after this election. And Trump's campaign may be a benchmark for the future, as it shows the power of voters that are fed up with the establishment and what topics they really care about.

Just imagine there would be somebody just as authentic as Trump, but with manners and a presidential aura, being able to talk openly about issues, with a solid plan and a solid base of well liked endorsers. This person would have to be by every means rich, again at a billionaire's level, to appeal as a true independent.

But then the logical question is, what billionaire in this country has the motivation to try to change the status quo. Usually they do just well with the current bought politicians.
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Clinton has been attacked relentlessly for decades now. How many hearings did they have on Benghazi? Her negatives are mostly due to being under scrutiny for her entire political life.
That is the downfall of having a track record when you are a politician. You are the known quantity, but you then must defend that record.

Personally, I think Clinton is corrupt and I think she knew exactly what she was doing with the private email server. I think she didn't trust Obama and thought if something went bad he might try to throw her under the bus.

I think some of the favorability issues are because of all the investigations, but, to me, a lot of it is simply that she doesn't come off as someone very likable. She comes off like someone who wants something and is willing to do anything to get it.
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i didn't think it was anyones business that clinton was getting blown but he shouldn't of lied about it. regardless, i didn't actually see what trump said when i posted that. now that i have, it does sound pretty bad but what people say when they think they aren't being recorded can often contain a lot of unsavory things. however, he will be judged for it and it no doubt cost him more votes than it would of gained.
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I did no such thing.
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Sly seems to be thinking logical, looking at things objectively without being influenced by the media.

You seem to believe mainstream media / are brainwashed by their propaganda. You don't question why they constantly attack Trump and treat Clinton normally, while she is the one with the biggest, most serious scandals.

Therefore, you are not in the postion to say 'I remember when you were smarter', because you're clearly dumber.
What scandals does Clinton have? Benghazi, a terrorist attack no one saw coming and no no one could have prevented - and nine investigations all concluded there was no wrong doing? Or the email scandal where she was following the same procedure of other Republican Secretaries of State - You know, the scandal where we read tens of thousands of her emails and still found no wrong doing?

Dozens of investigations and tens of thousands of emails has failed to find any evidence of any wrong doing.
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I somewhat feel that the Republican party will never be the same after Trump's run. The votes in the primaries clearly indicated who and what message the voters prefer, and it sure wasn't the Republican establishment theatre.

The Republican party had a playbook and a plan to win in 2016. It was very simple - they need to target two demographics: Women and Hispanics. Women make up 53% of the voters in the US, and Hispanics are a quickly growing demographic. This is just common sense....

Then the Republican party nominated someone who completely alienated both of these demographics.

This election was lost the moment the Republican party nominated Trump.
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This is Presidental election politics. If you run for President you have to know they are going to dig up every little skeleton in your closet that could make you look bad. Trump knew this would happen when he ran. He may not have remembered this specific incident, but he had to know his opponents would come after him with everything they could find.
As much as I would like to believe otherwise, Trump is a smart man. He knew they were going to dig up every possible skeleton he had - and Trump has more than most. Even worse is the fact that he was a very public person, and has been on radio and video for decades now.

How could he not see this coming?

Even worse is the fact Trump has zero political experience. He had no idea what he was doing. Clinton was running a professional campaign with boots on the ground and hundreds of millions of dollars in ads. Meanwhile Trump did nothing, nearly nothing at all.
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I somewhat feel that the Republican party will never be the same after Trump's run. The votes in the primaries clearly indicated who and what message the voters prefer, and it sure wasn't the Republican establishment theatre.
It would be bad for the country if the party was truly fucked post-Trump. Our system needs the Republican party to function normally. We also need them to not be such major assholes.
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What scandals does Clinton have? Benghazi, a terrorist attack no one saw coming and no no one could have prevented - and nine investigations all concluded there was no wrong doing? Or the email scandal where she was following the same procedure of other Republican Secretaries of State - You know, the scandal where we read tens of thousands of her emails and still found no wrong doing?

Dozens of investigations and tens of thousands of emails has failed to find any evidence of any wrong doing.
Clinton is a boogeyman created by butthurt Republicans. They want so badly for there to be some evidence that boosts the narrative they've been selling -- but nothing ever pans out. Even the latest email dump is a whole lot of "nothing to see here".
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