ilnjscb

Sly helped me to get a new host - but now I have decided to build a new site on that host rather than transfer the shitty one I currently have.

I need a full time PHP guy, ukranian, or eastern european (cheap) and don't give me shit about that, I know you expensive guys are worth it, and you don't want to work for a little POS organization and take orders from a hardass like me all day. I'll call you for the difficult stuff and pay your extremely justified rates at that time.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Relic

I enjoy writing php op.

TeenCat

you need to install wp with theme?

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mineistaken

how much is cheap ?

Bladewire

I think user Mytako here has a team for this kind of work.

I would stay away from Relic.

Dmitry

I don't think we are cheap but could work at $45/hour rate at any tasks including web development, mobile development, online video streaming, e-commerce software in languages: PHP or Java with mysql database. UI based on HTML5/CSS3/JS.
Long term projects (6+ months) with discount up to $20/hour rate.

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Relic

You should take your own advice.

Konda

Even in Ukraine or Eastern Europe you pay minimum $2k/month for a decent PHP developer and more for a good one.

klinton

Bladewire

You have no talent, no manners & no money fuck off

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Relic

You're the silliest faggot here Bladewire.

woj

you are setting yourself up for getting fucked with that "full time" thinking... more likely than not, that bargain full time programmer will turn into you getting jerked around for months, and when all is said and done, you will burn through 2x your budget and end up with a half complete script...

your best bet is put together detailed specs and then get quotes from programmers on per project basis... then pick one that has a good balance of price/experience/recommendations/etc not just the cheapest... as usually the cheapest one is cheapest for a reason...

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Bladewire

^^^ WOJ is a well known excellent programmer here ^^^

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seolinker

Ukraine there, totally correct. PHP pays less than Java, but ... yeah expect no less $2k / month freelancer if not upto $3k, cause he can earn more in office in nice environment, etc - at home cause it pays more

That is expert level I would say, $500 ones or so - yeah, install WP theme LOL

P.S. not a programmer

Relic

He's not the only one

klinton

https://www.olx.ua/obyavlenie/php-de...tml#27abbf1927
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Dmitry

I totally agree - a good freelance engineer would cost more than $2000, most likely close to $2500-$3000.
1) when software engineer works in a company (I am talking about Ukraine/Russia) the company pays all his taxes and such value of $1000 is paid in cash AFTER all taxes are paid. Tax value is about 40%-45% from salary
2) Any officially employed person is getting 4 weeks of paid vacation every year by law. Freelance guy could spend alot of time for search of new projects.
3) An IT engineer getting alot of benefits in office: good work place, Internet, server infrustructure, helf of friends, free add-on such as breakfast, tea/coffee, kitchen, massage chair, free gym, etc, etc. IT sectors offers many-many addons which actually cost money.
4) If you are not officially employeed you have to open small business and pay taxes yourself. If you don't pay taxes you would become old and poor. Also unemployeed would have problems getting VISA if you want to visit USA, Europe or other overseas country.

To summarize: A good guy would prefer to work in a company for $1000-$1500 rather than working on freelance basis for $1500-$2000.
And to list benefits working with a company:
1) you are working with a company and if person leaves someone would take care of your project. This is really important for long term business (any projects by default is long term until it fails)
2) in a company you could have different engineers: server side developer, UI engineer, Flash programmer, Java developer, Mobile/iOS/Android eveloper, web designer, SEO specialist, etc, etc. It is not possible to get everything from a single person on a professional level.
3) Wide hardware access for debug/testing purposes: Mac, Windows, Linux desktop computers as well as mobile devices. We have about 30 mobile devices in office for tests and about 25 computers.
4) Team works better - they can talk to each other, share experience and you have a manager who control how the work is done, when engineer stats the work and finish it.
5) You can minimize your taxes by paying a company instead of individual

And for $500 you can easily find WP plugins/themes manager and could call him as a cheap programmer.

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i like PHPoo

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seolinker

That only confirms my thought, for $500 - $800 novice
for $800-$1000 uhmm... upper novice or close to middle and if he wants guru - numbers I thought

Freelance should cost more cause why he needs that guy from GFY if he can go to links above.

sibsoft

Per task/per project will be better for you if you already know what to do and your tasks are big enough. But if you have a lot of small tasks and micro projects - then time-based billing is better.
We're not from UA, but can help you - have PHP dev resources, prices are flexible and negotiable.

klinton

because being freelance he will be free, and having office job, he will work as a slave with more work for shitty money

Dmitry

Right, and when you are free you are not paid. Even when you do a work sometimes you are not paid (bug fix, estimation for task, communication)

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k0nr4d

$800-1000 + payroll costs will get you someone fresh out of school here with zero experience and as green as my lawn. A good coder costs several times more and is in HIGH demand. Recruiters get paid $7-8k just to find a programmer here for a company in certain cities.

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Dmitry

Exactly! good luck in spending "$800-$1000" to learn someone how to make programs.

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Dmitry explained well about pros of going with a Web development company.

Quantox has more than 120 highly qualified programmers working from our offices here in Serbia. Most of the leading companies in adult space already work with us, so if you expect great service and reasonable (not the cheapest) price feel free to mail me at [email protected]

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Relic

Why is the Eastern block so big on finders fees? I noticed this renting apartments there. Is it throwback Soviet bribery or something else? You don't see that here.

k0nr4d

I have no idea, but finding a good coder in my city is practically impossible. It's the same shit with real estate agents. When you rent a place if it's via a rental agent they want 1 month's rent as payment from the RENTER - and all they are doing is setting up a meeting with the landlord... To me they're the scum of the earth, useless middlemen cunts.

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k0nr4d

Yep, you hire them at this amount - they know *NOTHING*, then they learn a little bit after 6 months and decide "my boss is an ass because he pays too little" and they go off elsewhere after you spent half a year teaching them.

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Relic

Got to love how nobody will rent to you without them either. Do your cops charge "fines" on the side of the road like in Ukr? Has the EU helped in that regard? How's corruption in general there these days?

ilnjscb

I am too lazy to do this. Just being honest. However you are probably right. I'll give it some thought I have a few weeks.

Just off the top of your head ball park, assuming the base software is a PHP based CRM, what would you say it would take to customize a membership site with excellent security, full CRM, multiple language support, easy content updating and posting, automailing, where each paid member gets their own "page" if they want it?

Thanks very much, BTW, for sharing your wisdom.

ilnjscb

Yes but you're one of the best, they say. Surely there are some decent people in the 2k range. I don't need your level day in day out and you wouldn't accept to work with me anyway. I need a used Jeep, not a Maserati. There may be some difficult stuff - but then I'd pay by the project.

ilnjscb

Good old CS, never change, man.

ilnjscb

circa 2k/m and I don't give a crap about hours as long as work is done. Has to have a brain and be self starter. I'm too lazy to manage or handhold anyone and also a I'm a cranky jackass. If they get their shit done and take some initiative to solve stuff I'm happy.

fris

you might be better off on going on upwork.com and get a quality coder, not the indian ones, sort by jobs, and % success, there are some really good ones on there.

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k0nr4d

I have a friend that moved here from Canada similarly to how I did. He got stopped twice and bribed cops twice, but he was driving a rental on a CDN license. Another friend with his car on german plates and german license also bribed traffic cops. It was some BS amount, 100PLN so like 25euro in every case. I've personally never tried, but my guess is it just comes down to the cop. I've heard it's best to just put a 100PLN note in your car documents. They'll either take the hint and the money, or if they say anything about it - "oh, sorry thats my emergency money in case my ATM cards don't work and I need gas or something"

I'll add they never "demand" or imply bribes here at all, but they will sometimes take them. Wife's uncle drives trucks to Russia from here through Ukraine - he said even the trucking companies give the drivers money for bribes. The mafia even puts a little colored card in your window so the next group knows you already paid.

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k0nr4d

To be honest, no. There aren't *GOOD* people in the $2k range, you might find people that are OK. There are alot of people in the $1200 range that got a sweet deal at $2k but really aren't close to good enough to deserve it.

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