Business Paypal on CCbill join pages

[femdomdestiny]

I've noticed increased number of sites putting a paypal option on CCBill join pages.

As far as I see, this is going to ruin business for affiliates since it is one more traffic leak. Personally, I will remove every site doing this in the incoming period. Once again, greed will ruin the business. Your thoughts about this?

[BigFurry]

Yes this is a big issue.

I'm mainly seeing CCBILL sponsors adding EPOCH/PAYPAL on the join page ALONGSIDE CCBILL. So it's not a secondary biller in the cascade, thus affiliates won't get paid on EPOCH/PAYPAL joins.

Some sponsors that come to mind right away: Wank It Now (JerkRev), FrolicMe. But there are a lot more.

The fix would be easy: hide the Epoch option for affiliate traffic.

(PS. Before anyone gets confused. This is not an issue for NATS or Sliiing sponsors. Only for plain CCBILL paid, Verotel paid, etc ones, that add a secondary biller option on the join page.)

[jscott]

I love to add more payment options for customers, paypal, bitcoin, etc, but only if it still gives their affiliates credit for transactions.

[Denny]

Originally Posted by jscott

I love to add more payment options for customers, paypal, bitcoin, etc, but only if it still gives their affiliates credit for transactions.

Yep, agreed.

[Struggle4Bucks]

I'm asking myself how this would work anyways... because Epoch's rules are very clear about it:

"At least 60% of your transactions with Epoch must be derived from credit and debit cards. Your ability to accept PayPal may be interrupted or limited if you do not maintain the required ratios."

[BigFurry]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

I'm asking myself how this would work anyways... because Epoch's rules are very clear about it:

"At least 60% of your transactions with Epoch must be derived from credit and debit cards. Your ability to accept PayPal may be interrupted or limited if you do not maintain the required ratios."

Maybe they have some other stuff entirely on Epoch to help with the ratios. Upsales, other sites, etc.

Or they just haven't been caught by Epoch yet?

[femdomdestiny]

From some reason, I didn't get a notification about answers. Anyway, epoch and paypal alongside ccbill are the reason to pull out links. But I am talking about placing a paypal info (address) so visitors can send money to owner, skipping affiliate and CCbill.

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

"At least 60% of your transactions with Epoch must be derived from credit and debit cards. Your ability to accept PayPal may be interrupted or limited if you do not maintain the required ratios."

This is exactly why I make no note on our join page that Paypal can be used with Epoch. Rather, it's just a pleasant surprise if surfer's see it when clicking on the Epoch link (because frankly, if they clicked that far, there's a good chance they'll be joining either way).

Paypal's *too* popular and you'd probably see surfers swarm to that option significantly lowering your non-Paypal sales.

[wehateporn]

I've spotted quite a few too, I believe Epoch are approaching sponsors and asking them to do this, it robs from the affiliate and robs from CCBill, perhaps this was the reason they shut down their affiliate stuff.

Paypal should only be appearing on non-affiliate landing pages, maybe CCBill will bring in a policy against this.

[RyuLion]

Very strange, won't paypal close your account if you process adult?

[makko2]

Some affiliate programs make the effort to create a special ccbill-linked tour specifically for their ccbill partners which differentiates from the regular visitor/tour sign-up navigation which would include multiple payment options they offer. I'm inclined to drop out of former ccbill programs where they have multiple payment options that don't seem to include the cascade system for new sign-ups, and don't bother to make a separate ccbill-pay link for partners.

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Very strange, won't paypal close your account if you process adult?

I see a more adult sites doing that too, but it seems to be risky gambling that.
https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/a...ervices-FAQ569

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Very strange, won't paypal close your account if you process adult?

A few years ago Epoch and PayPal reached some sort of deal regarding digital adult transactions: https://epoch.com/paypal/

The short: you can accept PayPal through Epoch (not your own PayPal business account), but there are a few caveats such as what Struggle4Bucks wrote above.

[femdomdestiny]

Something is wrong, I am not getting notifications about the answers. Anyway, I am talking about stuff like this:

www.CCBill.com

Got e-mail from CCbill today and they told that is not against their rules. What about affilliates? Clips 4 sale model already made a huge traffic leak for affiliates. At some point, they will stop promoting these sites. I am the first one to do it.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Something is wrong, I am not getting notifications about the answers. Anyway, I am talking about stuff like this:

www.CCBill.com

Got e-mail from CCbill today and they told that is not against their rules. What about affilliates? Clips 4 sale model already made a huge traffic leak for affiliates. At some point, they will stop promoting these sites. I am the first one to do it.

"Membership to OE"

Damn... that's tricky short term cowboy business practice...

I foresee cry-threads here in the future about closed PP accounts and frozen funds...

[LovinNothin]

OH FUCK I FUCKING LOVE IT!!!

I'm pretty sure they are testing this only Europe for now, your bank has to be Euro based with Epoch and you can add Pay Pal to your line up. I think they are in a Beta phase, analyzing risk, charge backs, etc... then.... Pay Pal will roll out the goods here in the States and finally wipe out all those mother fucking cock sucking 3rd party billers that have been shoving it in our asses for all those years!!!!!

I'm talkin to you CCBill and all you fucking 10%, 12% 14% mother fucking billing fee ripoffs!!!!!

Can't wait for Pay Pal to knock them all out in one punch and take over the digital adult market!!!!!

It's going to be GLORIOUS!!! PAY PAL 3% and keep your identity safe!!!!!
Customers will love it and sales will pop from those who are too scared to enter their digits in some sleazy adult site, but now they'll have Pay Pal to hide their bank info.

I've been waiting YEARS for Pay Pal!!!

[makko2]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Something is wrong, I am not getting notifications about the answers. Anyway, I am talking about stuff like this:

www.CCBill.com

Got e-mail from CCbill today and they told that is not against their rules. What about affilliates? Clips 4 sale model already made a huge traffic leak for affiliates. At some point, they will stop promoting these sites. I am the first one to do it.

I'm dropping programs that don't have their sites set-up with a unique separate ccbill-only tour link for its partners. Another good idea is to contact those program owners too and let them know your intentions if they don't follow the method used by other professional programs who do have unique ccbill-path tours that don't involve other pay methods.
I agree, ccbill acts lax/ non-proactively imo on 'guiding' program owners in giving optimum service to partners. I also wonder why they don't apparently have any policy in going after piracy sites that are stealing away paying customers from ccbill program sites since not only site owners and affiliate promoters are losing potential income, but also ccbill too.

[makko2]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

OH FUCK I FUCKING LOVE IT!!!

I'm pretty sure they are testing this only Europe for now, your bank has to be Euro based with Epoch and you can add Pay Pal to your line up. I think they are in a Beta phase, analyzing risk, charge backs, etc... then.... Pay Pal will roll out the goods here in the States and finally wipe out all those mother fucking cock sucking 3rd party billers that have been shoving it in our asses for all those years!!!!!

I'm talkin to you CCBill and all you fucking 10%, 12% 14% mother fucking billing fee ripoffs!!!!!

Can't wait for Pay Pal to knock them all out in one punch and take over the digital adult market!!!!!

It's going to be GLORIOUS!!! PAY PAL 3% and keep your identity safe!!!!!
Customers will love it and sales will pop from those who are too scared to enter their digits in some sleazy adult site, but now they'll have Pay Pal to hide their bank info.

I've been waiting YEARS for Pay Pal!!!

From what you know so far, would paypal add adult merchant 'risk fees'?
What makes me iffy about using paypal is if site owners would face legal issues if people under 18 are signing up using it; the traditional payment processors seem to near eliminate that possibility.

[Fat Panda]

ccbill is a pathetic joke

pp is the future

anybody using or promoting ccbill programs is a moron, youre wasting your time and losing money

[celandina]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

OH FUCK I FUCKING LOVE IT!!!

I'm pretty sure they are testing this only Europe for now, your bank has to be Euro based with Epoch and you can add Pay Pal to your line up. I think they are in a Beta phase, analyzing risk, charge backs, etc... then.... Pay Pal will roll out the goods here in the States and finally wipe out all those mother fucking cock sucking 3rd party billers that have been shoving it in our asses for all those years!!!!!

I'm talkin to you CCBill and all you fucking 10%, 12% 14% mother fucking billing fee ripoffs!!!!!

Can't wait for Pay Pal to knock them all out in one punch and take over the digital adult market!!!!!

It's going to be GLORIOUS!!! PAY PAL 3% and keep your identity safe!!!!!
Customers will love it and sales will pop from those who are too scared to enter their digits in some sleazy adult site, but now they'll have Pay Pal to hide their bank info.

I've been waiting YEARS for Pay Pal!!!

You will be waiting for 100 more years. PP will NEVER go into adult without "the cover" like CCBill or Epoch....if you are right I will eat my own boots...

[mechanicvirus]

Originally Posted by Fat Panda

ccbill is a pathetic joke

pp is the future

anybody using or promoting ccbill programs is a moron, youre wasting your time and losing money

tell that to ftvgirls.com

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by makko2

What makes me iffy about using paypal is if site owners would face legal issues if people under 18 are signing up using it; the traditional payment processors seem to near eliminate that possibility.

exactly... you can have paypal account at 16, it´s unsafe & just another way for the bottom feeders to try make the extra buck

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I've noticed increased number of sites putting a paypal option on CCBill join pages.

As far as I see, this is going to ruin business for affiliates since it is one more traffic leak. Personally, I will remove every site doing this in the incoming period. Once again, greed will ruin the business. Your thoughts about this?

sadly you´re right, probably originally over the past few years through the epoch configuration giving ability of paypal payment.

it´s not safe to know the age of the payee & it´s breaking an affiliate bond.

See sig for a high earning MC site 1:200´s an easy push on sales to traffic

[thommy]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Very strange, won't paypal close your account if you process adult?

after they see enough money on the account they can freeze they do it RIGHT AWAY !!

[thommy]

Originally Posted by celandina

You will be waiting for 100 more years. PP will NEVER go into adult without "the cover" like CCBill or Epoch....if you are right I will eat my own boots...

you don´t have to eat your boots - paypal will not allow adult and even in B2B as we do it is one of the most expensive and unreliable payment methods.
i would love to get rid of it but unfortunately too many people using it.

but they will get more and more competition in the future - it is just a question of time - there are already some nice options existing - unfortunately not that famous yet.

[Fat Panda]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

tell that to ftvgirls.com

dey takin pp too

[femdomdestiny]

This is what CCbill support told me
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Unfortunately, we are not able to influence the way our clients handle their business nor restrict it in any way.
As my colleague previously explained in this particular case client receive payments on his personal PayPal account, and will PayPal accept the transaction in the adult industry or not is beyond our scope of business.
Again if one of our clients desired to process PayPal or any other payment options we are not able to sanction or restrict that in any way since website belongs to them and they are the ones that will decide how will they handle their business.

Thank you and have a good day.

[JuicyBunny]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

This is what CCbill support told me
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Unfortunately, we are not able to influence the way our clients handle their business nor restrict it in any way.
As my colleague previously explained in this particular case client receive payments on his personal PayPal account, and will PayPal accept the transaction in the adult industry or not is beyond our scope of business.
Again if one of our clients desired to process PayPal or any other payment options we are not able to sanction or restrict that in any way since website belongs to them and they are the ones that will decide how will they handle their business.

Thank you and have a good day.

At least they gave you a fairly straight forward answer.

[JuicyBunny]

Paypal have added Venmo mobile payment services to their system. They will be rolling it out over the next few weeks. What impact will this have on affiliates?

[LovinNothin]

Originally Posted by celandina

You will be waiting for 100 more years. PP will NEVER go into adult without "the cover" like CCBill or Epoch....if you are right I will eat my own boots...

I think it's just a matter of time. If Pay Pal didn't have a little hard-on for adult dollars, then why roll out this option in the Euro market with Epoch? Seems to me that they are sniffing it out and setting up the format and fees. Once they get it down tight, they will roll it out here in the States and clean up.

I bet they give it a separate name like "Pay Pal Adult."

Greed and growth can never be stopped with these billing companies. They've been watching CCBill and others rape webmasters for years with their 14.5% fees, an easy market for Pay Pal to sweep in and conquer.

When that happens you'll see CCBill and others drop their rates to compete, but it will be too late.

I think it's happening right now and within a year or 2, we will see it here in the States.

It will be so fucking awesome!!

I'll get the steak sauce ready for your boots.

"All it takes is pressure and time."

[JuicyBunny]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

I think it's just a matter of time. If Pay Pal didn't have a little hard on for adult dollars, then why roll out this option in the Euro market with Epoch? Seems to me that they are sniffing it out and setting up the format and fees. Once they get it down tight, they will roll it out here in the States and clean up.

I bet they give it a separate name like "Pay Pal Adult."

Greed and growth can never be stopped with these billing companies. They've been watching CCBill and others rape webmasters for years with their 14.5% fees, an easy market for Pay Pal to sweep and conquer.

When that happens you'll see CCBill and other drop their rates to compete, but it will be too late.

I think it's happening right now and within a year or 2, we will see it here in the States.

It will be so fucking awesome!!

I'll get the steak sauce ready for your boots.

"PPA On the Way!"

[celandina]

Originally Posted by thommy

you don´t have to eat your boots - paypal will not allow adult and even in B2B as we do it is one of the most expensive and unreliable payment methods.
i would love to get rid of it but unfortunately too many people using it.

but they will get more and more competition in the future - it is just a question of time - there are already some nice options existing - unfortunately not that famous yet.

I have prepared the pot to start boiling my boots into a soup ;) now I am glad I do not have to

I agree with you except.. There will not be "another paypal", if that was in the works anywhere then it would have happened in the last 17 years..

[celandina]

.......I'll get the steak ready for your boots

..it better be Heinz.....I LoveNothin more :

Ooops sorry.... or does Heinz have a real competition.... I do not accept cheap Helmanns crap...sounds like PayPal doesn't it

But if PPAdult comes in I will eat the boots with Helmanns

[BigFurry]

HookupHotshot and VR Bangers also seem to have an Epoch leak on the join pages

[Tjeezers]

and again the affiliate gets a boot in their ass. A ongoing trend that seems to never stop.