HollyRandall from Metart.com

[Holy Damage]

What happened with HollyRandall?
All FHG is not accessible anymore and there is no promo content on metart

[Axeman]

They sent an email last week saying HollyRandall is no longer part of their program.

[Pseudonymous]

I have never understood her decisions when it comes to promoting her program/content. I am sure it has to do with her doing fine without it but leaving so much money on the table and not having a brand you have 100 percent control of is strange to me. Her site could and still could do great things if she partnered with a company who knew a thing about managing that type of site in 2018. Met-art has never been one to partner up with when it comes to affiliate management. It's never been a great partnership with most who have tried going that route

Then again, I could say the same thing for most producers in this industry, you would think over time, you would meet the right people who could show you that there are much better options out there.

I think it would have allowed her to exercise new styles of content instead of sticking with what's worked for her in the past and what shes producing for Playboy.

Brings me to my other thought, I wonder why playboy didn't ever guide her into doing more relevant content. Though Playboy has told me they do intend to seek out a more relevant style of content, though hers hasn't changed as far as I can see. Twisty's/Playboy style content hasn't worked for a long time. Playboy is another case of a company catering to what their current member base wants and not realizing that is only because that's what they continue to put out. You're supposed to force some change on your members because it's what helps maintain acquiring new fans. If it was up to Facebook users, it would have never changed since it was launched, you need to listen to trends, not cater to what appears to do better temporarily

I say everything with all due respect, I just think she has had the power to change alot and create quite a nice brand on hollyrandall.com


They are releasing content producers have been sitting on for ages, content that they have been sitting on for sometime. Another case of paysites underestimating fans and not realizing fans realize the difference between content that's been sat on and new content. Nevermind that, but the lack of personal feel. The whole empty homes, designed like theyre in their grandparents home. All the euro girls as filler content, they are Playboy. There is no need for filler content, they have all the power in the world, they have an abundance of capable photogs and girls who would like to model for them in the U.S. Leave the international ones for international Playboy

Also another case of an adult company scared of changing things or investing a little in an attempt to change things because their income is dropping, so it results in a company that spirals faster than it should. Also missing the chance of being a powerhouse again. (I don't see why you can't include Hustler in this as well)

And dont get me started on their video quality, they only seem to deal with photographer's that are 9/10 in photography and 2/10 in video. Playboy apparently can't find producers in north america that are 10/10 at each. Guess that's the case when you don't actually seek them out.

Thats my vent for the day. Big brands doing things so entirely wrong will forever be my biggest pet peeve

[CaptainHowdy]

Sign of the dimes . . .

[Mickey_]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I have never understood her decisions when it comes to promoting her program/content. I am sure it has to do with her doing fine without it but leaving so much money on the table and not having a brand you have 100 percent control of is strange to me. Her site could and still could do great things if she partnered with a company who knew a thing about managing that type of site in 2018. Met-art has never been one to partner up with when it comes to affiliate management. It's never been a great partnership with most who have tried going that route

Then again, I could say the same thing for most producers in this industry, you would think over time, you would meet the right people who could show you that there are much better options out there.

I think it would have allowed her to exercise new styles of content instead of sticking with what's worked for her in the past and what shes producing for Playboy.

Brings me to my other thought, I wonder why playboy didn't ever guide her into doing more relevant content. Though Playboy has told me they do intend to seek out a more relevant style of content, though hers hasn't changed as far as I can see. Twisty's/Playboy style content hasn't worked for a long time. Playboy is another case of a company catering to what their current member base wants and not realizing that is only because that's what they continue to put out. You're supposed to force some change on your members because it's what helps maintain acquiring new fans. If it was up to Facebook users, it would have never changed since it was launched, you need to listen to trends, not cater to what appears to do better temporarily

I say everything with all due respect, I just think she has had the power to change alot and create quite a nice brand on hollyrandall.com


They are releasing content producers have been sitting on for ages, content that they have been sitting on for sometime. Another case of paysites underestimating fans and not realizing fans realize the difference between content that's been sat on and new content. Nevermind that, but the lack of personal feel. The whole empty homes, designed like theyre in their grandparents home. All the euro girls as filler content, they are Playboy. There is no need for filler content, they have all the power in the world, they have an abundance of capable photogs and girls who would like to model for them in the U.S. Leave the international ones for international Playboy

Also another case of an adult company scared of changing things or investing a little in an attempt to change things because their income is dropping, so it results in a company that spirals faster than it should. Also missing the chance of being a powerhouse again. (I don't see why you can't include Hustler in this as well)

And dont get me started on their video quality, they only seem to deal with photographer's that are 9/10 in photography and 2/10 in video. Playboy apparently can't find producers in north america that are 10/10 at each. Guess that's the case when you don't actually seek them out.

Thats my vent for the day. Big brands doing things so entirely wrong will forever be my biggest pet peeve

Sensible thoughts.

Heads up: SoloRevenue redirects to an untrusted site.

[Holy Damage]

Iv'e contacted their support and What i got is

Hello!

So I do have a new affiliate program— we had to build it on HollyRandall.net while HollyRandall.com was still on the MetArt network— and I’m hoping to switch it over to .com tomorrow or the day after. So currently you can go to nats.hollyrandall.net to sign up for my affiliate program. I’m still building it out so there’s not any ad tools in there, but we’ll get there soon!

Thank you so much for your patience!

Holly

Soo, We need change the old links

[BigFurry]

At least we'll get proper stats now, MetArtMoney's are quite limited - no transaction history, no join emails, no postbacks, etc.

[Goethe]

.com is up

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Mickey_

Sensible thoughts.

Heads up: SoloRevenue redirects to an untrusted site.

Yeah I sold it couple years back, looks like the owner did not renew it

Frustrating because I can no longer show what I built.

[hollyrandall]

Hello everyone-- as has been mentioned, yes after 5 years my contract with MetArt ended in January and I decided not to renew. Thus, I have launched HollyRandall.com from scratch since I could not use their CMS, design, affiliate program, or billing. I am working on getting new promo tools up, but if you are actively promoting HollyRandall.com, please contact me so we can get you setup in your new program so you can change your links. Unfortunately I am not able to set up redirects.

Regarding some of the other comments about Playboy from Pseudonymous-- I've actually changed my shooting style quite a bit for the new Playboy Plus aesthetic. Pseudonymous, I think you are looking at the older glam stuff I shot for Playboy, the most recent stuff has been quite different that my usual "glamour" look. There's still some older content going through, so you might be seeing some stuff that is still very much the glam MindGeek content I was instructed to shoot.

Aside from Playboy, I'm happy Pseudonymous that you think my brand is worth more attention and promotion. I agree with you, which is why I decided to strike out on my own. I never felt that my content was ever given the promotional attention it deserved. Let's hope this changes, and you all can help me with that. This is all a big learning curve for me, so please if anyone has comments/suggestions/advice I'm all ears! You can sign up for my new affiliate program at nats.hollyrandall.com and please feel free to contact me at [email protected].

I appreciate all of your patience and help!

Holly

[Pseudonymous]

To be honest, I could be wrong to some degree, obviously I don't analyze each thing you come out with, you'd know better. However if there is a change, it can't be major enough for me to notice. It wasn't long ago I worked with a couple models you had worked with not too long before that, so I had gone through the content you shot of them to see what looks they've done... "Shelly Lee", "Tahlia Paris", etc

and the content was the same old generic fireplace, bedroom, eyes ALWAYS on camera, always same expression, traditional model poses, lingerie (girls haven't worn lingerie in decades), makeup to make them appear 20 years older. These girls are insanely pretty and actually look 19-20 in person. They are made out to look like 28 year old glam models from the 80s. Perhaps you have changed to more bright and white based rooms, i have no idea where the changes are being made but from the sets I have seen... the changes aren't major

Perhaps you could clarify, like i said, i'm not saying im 100 percent correct here and there could be an explanation.

[Pseudonymous]

https://pmatehunter.com/playmate/shelly-lee/
https://www.morazzia.com/tahlia-paris-4
https://www.babepedia.com/babe/Tahlia_Paris
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h5a13dd1b999f5
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h5a13e33894d15
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h5a13e4df17b8d

I haven't gone through all the sets to determine which ones specifically are yours, im posting this rather quickly. But from what i recall, they've only shot with you so far.

Ill let other people be the judge. I don't think all these recent sets could be argued that the style isn't dated, in regards to styling, wardrobe, location, lighting

As far as videos go, if it wasn't for their edited intros

motivation, get paid the same regardless. might as well create something you consider 'art'

art can't compete now.

[Pseudonymous]

I think alot of what producers do are for themselves. Producers are obsessed with technical aspects and styling, there is an ego and an art that they cannot let go of when producing content, they are not the owners of the content which means they are paid the same. So as long as the content sells, they get paid. So the motivation isn't high enough to do things for sales. Hence you still see things like this head jewelry, lingerie, boring decor, desert pics.. actually outdoor sets probably wouldn't even exist much if it wasn't for producers wanting to save money and them getting better technical images due to the sun. because its not about sales.

Sadly there's not a ton of top producers who are owners, so there is a major disconnect when it comes to what sells vs what producers produce.

Owners only know what is currently making them money. Except what is currently making them money and doing well is based on what they've been doing and the members they've attracted so far.

Honestly if a little common sense was combined with allowing yourself to put your personal taste and their brand/reputation aside and do what sells, site's would be doing alot better. I don't mean dumbing down the technical aspect but making it less fashiony and oldschool.

Producers do this because they get alot more respect among their peers, it's more "professional" looking and it's what they want to be known for

[hollyrandall]

Yeah you are definitely looking at older content. Shot before Playboy took the website back from MindGeek. Shot before I had ANY idea things were going that way.

I shot those Tahlia photos in Mexico in March of 2017. I shot the Shelly Lee photos WAY before that. Playboy took back the site in May of 2017. Since then, I've been working closely with them on developing content that's different, but not so immediately drastic that those who signed up in the MindGeek days cancels in droves.

I won't lie, I have a style that I've cultivated over the years. It's difficult to stray from that style, when you know it so well and it's worked for you for so long. But I see that times are changing. You might want to check out my recent set on Alex De La Flor to get an idea of the range I'm actually capable of (I tried to post a link and this forum wouldn't let me).

In the end, I'm an "artist" not a salesperson. I suppose there will always be tendency for conflict in that area, and I thank you for your opinion. It's certainly something I will think about, and it always helps to have those with their finger on the pulse of the industry to fill me in on what's working and what's not.

[Pseudonymous]

Oh yeah I haven't been paying attention since Mindgeek and Playboy have parted ways!

So this could be entirely it.


Alex De La Flor in Magic Hour - Cybergirls Nudes | PlayboyPlus

is that the set you are referring to?

And i totally understand about the artist, not a salesperson. I'm moreso explaining why there is a disconnect, not that you should necessarily change, moreso that it frustrates me as a fan of your work and your technical ability that you haven't taken advantage, as I know you are in a situation where you could make a big impact.

And as somebody who is usually on the management/ownership side, it's frustrating for me. Because i know the money lost.

I've faced this as a producer as well, anybody with high skill want to shoot a more professional look, it's very hard to stray away from what we want to personally do and what we believe would further our brand among our peers. So I totally understand why some of the vets don't, regardless if they are capable.

So no criticism here. Moreso making a point that it frustrates me that Playboy doesn't do what they have to do, to get this type of content.

Regardless, i'm excited to see where this goes. Hopefully you have somebody marketing it who has shown success with launching softcore sites in 2018, it's a much different world than met-art and hardcore brands, etc etc- So if you dont have access to all the affiliates or have some great ad buyer, etc - i suspect that it may not give you enough of an audience to really make you focus on it as much as you would if it was doing twice the numbers. Which is where it could easily be with half decent marketing

Hope I see some some newer type stuff on hollyrandall.com for sure!

*just saw the set*

I like the lighting in that set but these fancy places you take them are more for the model and the producer, than they are for the value of the content. realistic scenarios or environments are what fans want. They rather see a girl behind a computer or on her phone, or on her patio with belongings around. Honestly if professionals could take some hints from Zishy, i mean obviously not the same thing, nor is he that good technically.. but just take how he is able to produce a more realistic environment. hey even start with normal images of her jogging in a normal residential neighborhood, for the first 1/4 of the set and then goto teasing and naked in a condo. if you cannot manage to find the good realistic scenarios/environments due to risk/convenience, etc

A professional version of that could be heavily marketed on social media as well. The nn/intro images would be heavily shared.

softcore content people need to think more ftv and less glam.

I think people think, well these glam sites were massive and glam is huge, ftv was never nearly as big of a brand. Well fact is, thats due to branding, money, other sites they had on their network that allowed them the epxosure they got. I don't know a single person that knows ftv but if they did, it would have been alot more successful, then if you take the models that playboy can get. Glam sold at a time where all content sold, so as long as the girl was nude, it was going to sell for the most part. Professionals and people with traffic pushed glam because its what was popular, then the internet aged and people started to get picky in what they wanted and they've wanted a personal/real feel for ages. Those glam sites continued to be large due to how big they were early on, you can only drop so fast. They developed fans who don't know better. But to succeed NOW means you need to launch with what people want at that day you launch. And for a long time now, that's been a personal/real feel to your content, regardless if its technically great (pro)

FTV is a style that could still do well, glam is not

[Pseudonymous]

Why can't the opening images of a set be professional but still personable?

Dont mind the blind girl, lol i just searched up jogging and zishy to find an image, and came across a style that would be alot better. Introduce a few accent colors, swap out vintage car for anything newer, perhaps a more vibrant color of glasses and a nicer color car , less dull colors.. and a better quality image. and you are closer to what people want than lingerie with dark red lipstick on an old wooden bed



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IASn...has_verified=1

While he is nuts and a poor business man, Dean created content and a brand for kateelife that could be massive online. I am not saying that video or those pics should be playboy but they are closer to what playboy SHOULD be, you can make a good , more polished version of these. It just requires more time into shoots and being creative. It requires owners knowing what they can get and demanding it, why would producers change when they can goto a location, shoot up against any bush or tree or piano. LOL

Blacked seems to know the market, BlackedRaw has introduced a real feel to professional content. While it's not the style playboy would want, playboy should do light and bright still, its a different market. But the way they introduce realism to pro content is exactly how playboy needs to do things

To clarify, they introduced a realistic intro, very realistic lighting, conversing, a public scene, prior to the actual nudity/sex. people being people

[Pseudonymous]

Esquire vids were always a good exmaple of how content could be.

more polished version of this, keep the shadows, don't go insane with the depth of field, boost the real lighting, don't create light, use led panels

Less dark makeup and lingerie and more real wear.

think maxim/esquire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVsaNToG64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSPQQ57KRQA

Their 'Me In My Place' was a good example of what content could be too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vknUgcEAEAQ

Actually all esquire vids are great, instead of playboy doing strange questionnaires that they give to just about every model. you could create a unique styled video with each, like any of these me in my place or esquire videos. but they dont. i dont think they have the right people in place to execute any of these , or the people with the vision and ability to translate these to adult. they could, playboy could get anybody they want due to their brand and at a very reasonable rate. (and the content would translate to more sales which makes any small increase justifiable)

Again i repeat that im not suggesting playboy should just duplicate any of these but what i can say is that these are closer to what content should be and alot of versions of content they could take alot of ideas from to be more modern

It would obviously require a long transition but they could incorporate one thing at a time and have it quite a bit different in say 18-24 months

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Mickey_

Heads up: SoloRevenue redirects to an untrusted site.

Yeah just a bit! About 4 redirects before it tried to download something and I cut it off...

EDIT: Just seen you sold it. Fair enough, but why not remove it from your Sig then?

EDIT 2: Why not keep it, but link it via a wayback link so you can still 'Show your stuff' ?

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

EDIT 2: Why not keep it, but link it via a wayback link so you can still 'Show your stuff' ?

Prefer to keep where people would know me from.

Not a bad idea. Thx

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Prefer to keep where people would know me from.

Not a bad idea. Thx

Thats better - No Nasties

Final suggestion - Put "Archived" next to the link, otherwise your gonna get some thick fucker trying to sign up and then complain about it

[Matyko]

I just emailed you
My company was doing the video editing for your content while it was under the wings of MetArt.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I have never understood her decisions when it comes to promoting her program/content. I am sure it has to do with her doing fine without it but leaving so much money on the table and not having a brand you have 100 percent control of is strange to me. Her site could and still could do great things if she partnered with a company who knew a thing about managing that type of site in 2018. Met-art has never been one to partner up with when it comes to affiliate management. It's never been a great partnership with most who have tried going that route

Then again, I could say the same thing for most producers in this industry, you would think over time, you would meet the right people who could show you that there are much better options out there.

I think it would have allowed her to exercise new styles of content instead of sticking with what's worked for her in the past and what shes producing for Playboy.

Brings me to my other thought, I wonder why playboy didn't ever guide her into doing more relevant content. Though Playboy has told me they do intend to seek out a more relevant style of content, though hers hasn't changed as far as I can see. Twisty's/Playboy style content hasn't worked for a long time. Playboy is another case of a company catering to what their current member base wants and not realizing that is only because that's what they continue to put out. You're supposed to force some change on your members because it's what helps maintain acquiring new fans. If it was up to Facebook users, it would have never changed since it was launched, you need to listen to trends, not cater to what appears to do better temporarily

I say everything with all due respect, I just think she has had the power to change alot and create quite a nice brand on hollyrandall.com


They are releasing content producers have been sitting on for ages, content that they have been sitting on for sometime. Another case of paysites underestimating fans and not realizing fans realize the difference between content that's been sat on and new content. Nevermind that, but the lack of personal feel. The whole empty homes, designed like theyre in their grandparents home. All the euro girls as filler content, they are Playboy. There is no need for filler content, they have all the power in the world, they have an abundance of capable photogs and girls who would like to model for them in the U.S. Leave the international ones for international Playboy

Also another case of an adult company scared of changing things or investing a little in an attempt to change things because their income is dropping, so it results in a company that spirals faster than it should. Also missing the chance of being a powerhouse again. (I don't see why you can't include Hustler in this as well)

And dont get me started on their video quality, they only seem to deal with photographer's that are 9/10 in photography and 2/10 in video. Playboy apparently can't find producers in north america that are 10/10 at each. Guess that's the case when you don't actually seek them out.

Thats my vent for the day. Big brands doing things so entirely wrong will forever be my biggest pet peeve

I love that Twistys style content is still a thing in terms of the way it's described. I get it doesn't work great just happy to see it's still mentioned