GFY thoughts on Jordan Peterson?

[Matt-ADX]

wondering what people here think about Dr. Peterson

[Bladewire]

He's a smug second rate egotistical media whore. Why you ask? Pretty obvious

[Matt-ADX]

So his message is useless?

[money biz]

female to male tranny has 0 male features except facial hair from hormones.

[Matt-ADX]

Originally Posted by money biz

female to male tranny has 0 male features except facial hair from hormones.

Okay? What does that have to do with Dr Peterson?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Matt-ADX

So his message is useless?

no bladwires feelings were hurt clearly and he doesn't possess the tools to understand what he is talking about.

I'm not sure I agree with all of his view points but one thing is for certain, he is absolutely open minded about all of his views. He always suggests that his viewpoints or opinions not only could be based on possible ignorance but could even change if something clear and proven is brought to light in either his research or something that is shown to him but one thing is clear, he doesn't put up with peoples whiny bullshit.

It's unfortunate that some alt-right people cherry pick his words and miss a lot of the point of his lectures but it doesn't take away from what he is saying. He is not just standing up for things like free speech to be an apologist for people with hateful views, he instead talks about the things that drive people to this hate in the first place--which is a much more important question. He holds accountable the people with unrealistic politically correct views when it attacks the very basis of the language itself and I have a hard time disagreeing with him when he does it.

Generally people are only threatened by his words because they are either not listening to the full message or they are too dense to understand it completely but in time the importance of his lectures will be remembered for generations I'm sure. Is he a little arrogant? Sure, but he is attacked often and has had to defend his words constantly, even to protect his job and reputation and has done it with flying colours for the most part.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Matt-ADX

So his message is useless?

Dude, you're a very good looking nice guy I like you a lot, but you're a Trump supporter. Those who still support Trump do so based on emotion, not logic. You let your inner chimp rule your life. I'll paste a link to The Chimp Paradox below in case you've never read the book or seen the video.

My Mother was a cold hearted Ayn Rand objectivist and I was surrounded by smug pricks like Jordan Peterson when I was younger they are magnets for lost souls, people in transition, and weak minded people.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

no bladwires feelings were hurt clearly and he doesn't possess the tools to understand what he is talking about.

Where did that come from? You clearly have no idea where I come from or what I'm about.

The right is assending Peterson to deity status because Trump is so unstable you need something to latch onto that is seen as falling in line with your far-right "ideals", Peterson happily does that because he's a self-absorbed egotistical media whore, they exist on the left as well there's nothing special about them no matter what you project on to them.

[Matt-ADX]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Dude, you're a very good looking nice guy I like you a lot, but you're a Trump supporter. Those who still support Trump do so based on emotion, not logic. You let your inner chimp rule your life. I'll paste a link to The Chimp Paradox below in case you've never read the book or seen the video.

My Mother was a cold hearted Ayn Rand objectivist and I was surrounded by smug pricks like Jordan Peterson when I was younger they are magnets for lost souls, people in transition, and weak minded people.

I am not a trump supporter. I just like to question both sides of things. You must see I call it both sides.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Matt-ADX

I am not a trump supporter. I just like to question both sides of things. You must see I call it both sides.

I see that you are not a crazy red hat Trump supporter but you are a trump supporter, for whatever reason. You try to play both sides but you clearly favor Trump.

Whatever your attraction to Trump it's overriding your logical analysis of what he actually does & what he actually stands for, as opposed to what he says and what you want to believe. Yes I know you're Canadian.

Again, the right is latching on to Peterson to give their followers some sense of intellectualism in the midst of them supporting a failed ideology that they see crumbling before their eyes.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I see that you are not a crazy red hat Trump supporter but you are a trump supporter, for whatever reason. You try to play both sides but you clearly favor Trump.

Whatever your attraction to Trump it's overriding your logical analysis of what he actually does & what he actually stands for, as opposed to what he says and what you want to believe. Yes I know you're Canadian.

Again, the right is latching on to Peterson to give their followers some sense of intellectualism in the midst of them supporting a failed ideology that they see crumbling before their eyes.

What does any of this have to do with Peterson?

[JSWENSON]

Jordan Peterson is awesome and actually puts careful thought into what he says. When dealing with morons all day you have a right to be smug.

And fuck the alt right / Trump. That they latched onto Peterson about one of the few issues they get right (somewhat) is irrelevant.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by JSWENSON

Jordan Peterson is awesome and actually puts careful thought into what he says. When dealing with morons all day you have a right to be smug.

And fuck the alt right / Trump. That they latched onto Peterson about one of the few issues they get right (somewhat) is irrelevant.

The fact that the alt-right felt they needed to latch onto the stability of an intellectual is very important and should not be overlooked.

The facade of an ALT right "ideology" has been penetrated the reality is that it was all just a ruse to get insecure hateful angry sad inadequate men to get to vote for double talkin billionaire that wanted their money and he got it. Suckers!

[OneHungLo]

The guy slays SJWs... what's not to love?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

The guy slays SJWs... what's not to love?

You can't claim an intellectual to a political agenda it's not logical. It is as logical as adopting a frog as your totem animal spirit

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You can't claim an intellectual to a political agenda it's not logical. It is as logical as adopting a frog as your totem animal spirit

[CarlosTheGaucho]

A very bright professional that can challenge one's thinking and a voice of a reason for sure.

If anybody has 90 + minutes of time, and would want to get some insights in order to be able to orient in these post-modern and semi-insane times, this conversation could actually be one of the best ways to spend it:



Jonathan Haidt is a professor and an author of "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion" - a somewhat ground breaking and an excellent book.

[mopek1]

I think he is one of the voices of reason, and listening to him is a breath of fresh air.

A true powerhouse who is neither on the left or right, but someone trying to make things better for everyone. That is rare these days.

He's a scientist who's also incredibly knowledgeable and his videos/podcasts are worth paying for.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

The guy slays SJWs... what's not to love?

^^ this is an example of what I was talking about. You will watch a 2 minute youtube clip from your highly slanted youtube subscriptions suggested viewings but miss out on the entire conversation or lecture that explains the full thought.

Where you believe he is 'slaying sjw's' he is actually elaborating on a point of view that serves as a possible explanation as to why people are perpetually outraged in the first place. Peterson is not a sound bite. Check out his lectures, read his books and maybe you will find things within yourself that could benefit from a different focus.

[MedCash_Miller]

Jordan is badass! Listening to his new book. I highly recommend it.

If you don't like the dude based on some ultra-biased youtube video you saw once, i don't think you got the full message.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

^^ this is an example of what I was talking about. You will watch a 2 minute youtube clip from your highly slanted youtube subscriptions suggested viewings but miss out on the entire conversation or lecture that explains the full thought.

Where you believe he is 'slaying sjw's' he is actually elaborating on a point of view that serves as a possible explanation as to why people are perpetually outraged in the first place. Peterson is not a sound bite. Check out his lectures, read his books and maybe you will find things within yourself that could benefit from a different focus.

Licking the ass of someone smarter than you and following your disposition in life of being a cuck of strong men. Love it. At least you know your place.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

What does any of this have to do with Peterson?

Playing stupid when faced with facts that's your losing strategy

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

^^ this is an example of what I was talking about. You will watch a 2 minute youtube clip from your highly slanted youtube subscriptions suggested viewings but miss out on the entire conversation or lecture that explains the full thought.

Where you believe he is 'slaying sjw's' he is actually elaborating on a point of view that serves as a possible explanation as to why people are perpetually outraged in the first place. Peterson is not a sound bite. Check out his lectures, read his books and maybe you will find things within yourself that could benefit from a different focus.

I have watched hours of his debates and lectures, and what I said still stands. He slays them. I'm not some hardcore right winger, I'm actually a common sense liberal..not a leftist.

I'm pro-choice, pro free speech (yes whether it's Nazis or BLM), pro-immigration, anti-illegal immigration, for gay marriage, and I'm against all this non-binary 72 pronoun bullshit that he speaks out against.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

I have watched hours of his debates and lectures, and what I said still stands. He slays them. I'm not some hardcore right winger, I'm actually a common sense liberal..not a leftist.

I'm pro-choice, pro free speech (yes whether it's Nazis or BLM), pro-immigration, anti-illegal immigration, for gay marriage, and I'm against all this non-binary 72 pronoun bullshit that he speaks out against.

You are a redhat trump supporter... still. There's nothing intellectual about your mindset. Your definition of "slay" is Trump tweeting from the toilet in the morning. You have no standing here.

[Matt-ADX]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

I have watched hours of his debates and lectures, and what I said still stands. He slays them. I'm not some hardcore right winger, I'm actually a common sense liberal..not a leftist.

I'm pro-choice, pro free speech (yes whether it's Nazis or BLM), pro-immigration, anti-illegal immigration, for gay marriage, and I'm against all this non-binary 72 pronoun bullshit that he speaks out against.

I saw this video yesterday and felt it really summed up where my views have gone over the last 2 years or so. I agree that the new progressives are nowhere and no one I want to be associated with.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiVQ8vrGA_8

[huey]

I don't care if Jordan Peterson is left right or communist. He is an interesting person to listen to and does his home work on any topic he is talking about.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You are a redhat trump supporter... still. There's nothing intellectual about your mindset. Your definition of "slay" is Trump tweeting from the toilet in the morning. You have no standing here.

LOL you probably agree with just about everything I just said...right?

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Matt-ADX

I saw this video yesterday and felt it really summed up where my views have gone over the last 2 years or so. I agree that the new progressives are nowhere and no one I want to be associated with.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiVQ8vrGA_8

Bingo. That video is spot on, they should call them regressives. They're sickening and you can see it right here when any issue of freedom of speech comes up.. a lot of these democrats are all for stopping free speech if they disagree with it

[Matt-ADX]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Bingo. That video is spot on, they should call them regressives. They're sickening and you can see it right here when any issue of freedom of speech comes up.. a lot of these democrats are all for stopping free speech if they disagree with it

Any different thinking or agreeing with any 1 right point you are labeled a Trump lover and therefore anything else you ever say is invalid. What I find really sad is that people honestly are rooting for him to be a total failure. He isn't my guy, but do I want the US to fail? for sure I don't then my business suffers, we all suffer. If he did bad things and did collude it will come out in time and he will be booted. If not well wait 4 years hope that things go well and in 2020 get out and vote him out, instead of hoping that Millions of people suffer over the next 4 years and potentially even longer because you don't like the words that come out of his mouth.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by Matt-ADX

Any different thinking or agreeing with any 1 right point you are labeled a Trump lover and therefore anything else you ever say is invalid. What I find really sad is that people honestly are rooting for him to be a total failure. He isn't my guy, but do I want the US to fail? for sure I don't then my business suffers, we all suffer. If he did bad things and did collude it will come out in time and he will be booted. If not well wait 4 years hope that things go well and in 2020 get out and vote him out, instead of hoping that Millions of people suffer over the next 4 years and potentially even longer because you don't like the words that come out of his mouth.

That is actually one of the points he made, if you shut down discussion (which is a trademark behavior today - like when campuses are burned in order to avoid discussion and everybody with opposing view demonized and censored), you're giving no other option than for rivalry, why should the other side submit to you.

Which is where the regressive discourse of today is inevitably heading.

[Matt-ADX]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

That is actually one of the points he made, if you shut down discussion (which is a trademark behavior today - like when campuses are burned in order to avoid discussion and everybody with opposing view demonized and censored), you're giving no other option than for rivalry, why should the other side submit to you.

Which is where the regressive discourse of today is inevitably heading.

Yeah, I have been following him very closely since his first appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast. Unlike some other people one thing I really like about him is if he is confronted with a question he doesn't know enough about he will flat out say he doesn't know enough and is looking to learn more about it.

I also enjoy listening to Ben Shapiro, while I don't agree with a lot of his stances (namely pro life) I do find it appalling that he cannot even go onto campus's anymore because we basically allow people who have different views to make threats of violence and instead of letting police and lawmen do their jobs to protect free speech they just shut the events down. The guy is an orthodox Jew and is labeled as a Nazi. Is this really the way we are going?

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by Matt-ADX

Yeah, I have been following him very closely since his first appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast. Unlike some other people one thing I really like about him is if he is confronted with a question he doesn't know enough about he will flat out say he doesn't know enough and is looking to learn more about it.

I also enjoy listening to Ben Shapiro, while I don't agree with a lot of his stances (namely pro life) I do find it appalling that he cannot even go onto campus's anymore because we basically allow people who have different views to make threats of violence and instead of letting police and lawmen do their jobs to protect free speech they just shut the events down. The guy is an orthodox Jew and is labeled as a Nazi. Is this really the way we are going?

I'm not a follower of Ben Shapiro, found him a little bit self righteous from what I saw, but seems like a very well educated guy who knows his facts, and a sharp debater that is able to back up his arguments. I figure that's also the reason why the mainstream media do not invite him much since he could end up making them look like fools.

The college campus insanity is disturbing on so many levels, I couldn't imagine that it's real thought it's some sort of fake news, but since this is documented by actual police and appears over and over I figured that these insane SJW outbursts really happen.

Also saw some videos first hand when they didn't allow people in the class that came because they wanted to listen to somebody that these "protesters" oppose. Not sure what these liberofascists think they're doing but I guess we're not too far from actual book burning.

This is an example I stumbled upon recently:



Heather McDonald is actually pretty sharp too. This is a fantastic quote from the video:

"There is a co-dependency between the exploding diversity bureaucracy and these narcissistic delusional students who act out their own little psycho dramas of oppression"