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yes, from the Soviet Union, not Russia. Russia is a nation, and the Russians are an ethnic group.

Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, is a Soviet Jew. He'd probably like it if every ethnic Russian dropped dead tomorrow.

(I have no idea if you're jewish or not, and I don't mean to lecture you on your own country)

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just a punk

This is called a propaganda. Now we all know that private Ryan and those 3 and a half soldiers at Omaha Beach have saved the world

Oh... stop... Captain America was there too. He did all the job:



And yes, I can spot him and his friend Superman here:



P.S. Just as a side note. A granddaughter of one of these two guys was my classmate

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celandina

Until the begining of the 20th Century Ukraine was called " Little Russia" and its language was considered just a dialect of Russian. The lands and its people on both sides of the Dnieper river were mostly governed Poles and Austrians and sometime by Tartars. During the 1917 revolution the Slavic population did not want to be governed by Poles ( Catholics) or the Austrians and joined the Red Soviets. For that, Lenin gave the land a status as a Soviet Republic. It remained like that until the demise of USSR. Whatever land todays' Ukraine has, was granted to it by Stalin. Khrushchev ( Stalins' successor and Ukrainian himself) in 1960s gave some bits (including Crimea to it) knowing that USSR will "last a 1000 years" so it did not really mattered.

Today Russians only want what thst idiot Khrushchev gave away to appease his political apparatchiks.

Ukraine should not piss off the Russians and play ball or the history will repeat itself and it will again become a real Little Russia. Russia created this country and may take it away...so wise up.

celandina

Just as Ukrainian is a dialect of Russian , so is Dutch just a dialect of German.

celandina

You are dumber then tour avatar with a stupid comment like that. If you consider faking some news as an "attack", wait until they lob a real bomb on your head. Then you will know the difference.

celandina

It is too tiring to argue with an idiot.

celandina

If you enlarge the picture, note the guy in the middle wearing 3 watches....I guess checking his timezones

Struggle4Bucks

Hello? Hello.....?

Owh... I thought I heard some third person speaking...

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Struggle4Bucks

You can put this: behind every comment you make... but it doesn't make it more true

You are clearly not academically schooled...

I hope that you understand that the Germanic_languages are a little bit older than the country Germany (only here since 1867) and that German is just one of the many Germanic dialects... just like Dutch.

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celandina

I am schooled enough to agree with you ..or rather as you have "parroted" me that : "... that German is just one of the many Germanic dialects... just like Dutch" .

klinton

aahah

Struggle4Bucks

Not really parroted because there is some nuance...
How you said it, Dutch would be an offspring/offshoot/derivative from German with German as the Mother-language. Dutch is a Germanic dialect and not a German dialect. Dutch is even closer to English than it is to German.

English: Apple
Dutch: Appel
German: Apfel

Anyway it's very interesting.

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celandina

Just like Russian and Ukrainian...you see.... we agree again

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Nope... you are saying something else than me...
... and I did not say anything about Russian/Ukrainian... I don't know anything about it to say anything about it.

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just a punk

Some people are so uneducated... English is German. A modified version of it. It did not appear from nowhere. It is just a branch of German. Nothing interesting here, because it's a well-known fact. The same applies to Dutch, of course.

Educate yourself: Why English Is a Germanic Language | Grammarly Blog

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Just for historical argument, you are not exactly right...

First, Ukraine (or what was then Ukraine) established what later becomes Russia.

"Kievan Rus' was founded by the Rus' people, who came from Scandinavia across Ladoga and settled in Kiev around 880 AD. Kievan Rus' included the central, western and northern part of modern Ukraine, Belarus, far eastern strip of Poland and the western part of present-day Russia. According to the Primary Chronicle the Rus' elite initially consisted of Varangians from Scandinavia.[35]

During the 10th and 11th centuries, it became the largest and most powerful state in Europe.[36] It laid the foundation for the national identity of Ukrainians and Russians.[37] Kiev, the capital of modern Ukraine, became the most important city of the Rus'."

Then Mongols wipe all this out, followed by several centuries of shit hitting fans and territory jostled between every neighbor. In 1710 it manages to have a break and actually writes unique and first of its kind democratic constitution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti...of_Pylyp_Orlyk), fights along with Russia to claim Crimea and the south (see Treaty of Pereyaslav), gets called "New Russia" after winning, never gets any freedoms and the autonomy they were entitled to by this treaty. Say "fuck it" and live on, get to highest Russian state and church offices while Russification laws are passed, suppressing the use of the Ukrainian language in print and in public. Then it becomes the battleground for just about every war till the end of WW2 (and now it is again).
It was called "Little Russia" by Moscow and then Soviet historians, which I guess was done to belittle the country while it makes plenty of sense since that's where the bigger Russia stemmed from. The fact Ukies chose the name Ukraine instead of literally any other name (Ukraine means "the Outskirts") is actually the most depressing fact of them all.


(The stuff above is all wikipedia, so quoting source)

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just a punk

The Ukraine means outskirts in Russian language - a territory at the border of the Empire.



Look at the map above. The orange one is what you call the Ukraine was before 1654. Everything around it was Russia. The Russian Empire. From 1654 to 1917 the Ukraine was called Malorrossia (Small Russia) and it is colored by orange and yellow. After 1917 if was called the Soviet Ukrainian Republic and was expanded by Stalin (mainly with annexed Polish territories), by Lenin and by Khrushchev with the territories from the Soviet Russian Republic.

So in fact, the Ukraine has always been a part of Russia. A part of Russian Empire and later a part of the Soviet Union.

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klinton

And ??? ???
It means similar thing in Polish. So what ?
Do you deny people living in Ukraine their own country and borders ?
Comrade, thats truly in compliance with your country's Party/ rulers line


Also, afaik, Ukraine/ parts of it was almost ("almost" cause they also use cyrylic alphabet) as Russian as Polish since centuries

celandina

It is called analogy and I have used it above as it relates to some of the posts above.

celandina

If Wikipedia is all the source you quote then you have a few thing to learn But lets do not split hair here. It is more to the point what was the situation 2 to 3 hundred years back to the recent history, not what may have happened 1200 years ago.h

celandina

Well stated

Struggle4Bucks

Jesus christ another wrong all knowing Russian...
Englisch is a Germanic language... not a german language. You russians should stick to Russian matters...
lol

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Its not an analogy if the contributions are false

just a punk

Yes, it's from the Germanic group and it's based on German language, since it's based on Old English. Do you know what Old English is and why it's very similar to the Modern German?

Why you guys are so uneducated?

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Grapesoda

russians should have been there

Struggle4Bucks

No... English is not based on German.

If it was based on German language it would have been called "a German language" instead of "a Germanic language"... now wouldn't it?

Old English derived mostly from a language that was spoken in what is today the North of the Netherlands and also an area what today would be the North sea area in Germany.
And from Old English newer forms of English developt.

Old English has a grammar that is similar to modern German. Yeah? So?
You read that on wikipedia probably and you deductively drew wrong conclusions from that.
There are many languages that have similar grammar. And btw similar is also different from "the same".

Hey! I have a brother. He looks very similar. He is even family of mine. But he is not me

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But you yourself are only quoting a short period in history - less than half a millennium. So, isn't it false to say "always"? And what of the time when Russia was part of Ukraine? How does that fit into your worldview? I don't in any way deny what you said regarding the time period of the 17th century to end of 20th. In fact, I included that in my response, so you're redundant to repeat it. What irks me is that you readily dismiss all previous history because it doesn't fit into your opinion. It further is frustrating that it seems you consider that therefore Ukies should be subservient and less human than you are, which is some fucked up shit if that is true. It'd be the same as saying "All Americans are less human than British because the territory was a British colony".
I normally stay out of all such discussions, and actually am strongly against a lot of the radical shit going on in Ukraine now, with western Ukrainian neo-nazis having so much power and doing idiotic, dangerous and outright terroristic shit. This doesn't justify a worldview that belittles an entire nation. Nothing does. This also applies to all the posts here belittling Russians.

Wikipedia is all the source I care to site for the benefit of this thread. I'm not entirely clueless about history, but I'm not going to the library and checking out books to site sources in order to contribute to this thread. Please explain to me how history is more important depending on how recent it is. It's still history. Past events that influence us today, yes, but that don't determine our future. We can froth at the mouth discussing which is more important - the source of civilization in an area or who conquered/had power over it afterward. But in the long run - that is still history and will not determine how things develop from here on.

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celandina

You missed my point entirely. It is the recent history which influences the future not a long distant past. The 3 rd WW will probably start over a slice of land now claimed by Ukraine which in the not so distant past was Russia.

klinton

what are you talking about ? where are these "ukr neo nazis" ? Mostly in current Russian propaganda

NatalieMojoHost

I believe you're dramatizing the situation. WW3 won't start over this little piece of land mostly consisting of used up coal mines. I think people who actually live there need to decide what they want, not someone from outside - be it Kyiv or Moscow.

On general premises, I think any large enough group of people living in a certain territory should have the right to whatever it is they want - whether it is to separate and form their own country, or become part of another country, may it even be Zimbabwe for all I care. They will also need to face the consequences of their choices. But that's my personal take on all this. I realize the world doesn't work that way, and it's way more complicated. This is the same with pretty much all other separatist situations worldwide. Globalization will eventually bring everyone together anyway, so why bother having wars and killing each other over this stuff?



Idiotic: coming to May 9th V-day celebration shouting their slogans against the fact that all these people's grandparents died to fight off the nazis
Dangerous: torch marches
Terroristic: setting buildings on fire (that I admit, last I heard was several years ago).

I'm just trying to stick to objective reality here.

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just a punk

Agree. Least talk about the Great Ukraine 4 billion years ago.

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That's grandpa of my classmate Elsa (I'm not kidding ). He has 3 watches on that photo because these are trophies - the dead German officers don't need them anymore and anyway...

My own grandpa has also been in Berlin and brought a Walter pistol (now lost unfortunately), a German military compass (now broken unfortunately) and a German field officer binoculars (still works fine and I'm using it).

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NatalieMojoHost

I'd rather talk about a successful and well-off country 10 years from now. Hope yours is too. Truly.

What none of the history fans above seemed to have commented on was the main point of my response. Do you think past historical events make people that live in this territory now less human than you are? Cuz I want you to look deep inside yourself and answer that question. When you do, adjust your worldview accordingly. If you don't, stop making this a basis for bigotry and look at current events objectively. If you do think that is true, please accept that you're a nazi piece of shit. Because that's what nazi ideology is about - some people are considered less human due to nationality, origin, religion etc.

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Tasty1

well, there are some religions that are inhuman…. most actually. You can not say that, than you are a nazi... But i think it is not normal to cut of little boy penises. Or cut out clitorises, or forbid mariage with other religion, forced marriage, cure or kill gays, set up a pedo network around the world… etcetra.

NatalieMojoHost

Hi Bjorn, I think you might be confusing inhuman and inhumane. The latter I agree with - and humanity's been doing idiotic and outright cruel shit in the names of various religions for millennia. And it's perfectly logical to be against these inhumane traditions and try to help people overcome the idiocy.
Saying that someone is less human or inhuman, however, is something completely different.

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just a punk

Successful??? It's the most depressed and poor country in Europe. Is this something which could be called a "success"? Maybe (I say maybe) Zelensky will do something for your country. Time will tell.

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This is something my grandpa brought from Berlin. It doesn't look good because it was intensely used since 1945 but... it still works and works fine. Nazis did real great optics.

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