News Is cannabis or alcohol worse for you?

[Paul Markham]

Strange conclusion the officials come to when the wrong one is asked.

So which is worse?

Just looking at the numbers, there were 9,214 alcohol-related deaths in 2016 while 24 deaths were linked to cannabis in the same year, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Then a doctor says.

"Roughly 80% of adults in England report drinking alcohol in the past year, compared with only about 7% who report using cannabis,"

Using maths if they are both equally damaging, cannabis should be killing 830. But no one points that out. The real % of deaths from cannabis isn't even 0.5%. Cannabis is still illegal in the UK, while grocers can sell alcohol and tobacco.

[kane]

Here in the US the laws can change drastically depending on where you are. In Oregon it is legal. In Texas it is not. I can buy a thc oil vape cartridge for between $20-$40. Possessing that $20 cart in Texas is a felony.

[escorpio]

Alcohol is much more toxic and addictive.

[brassmonkey]

smoke,oil, and alcohol are not good. who cares? you want hippies camping in your yard? when weed stops working people switch to something stronger. they know that. when you get on that you get violent. why do you think hitler made meth for his troops? so they would be fearless killers.

[Natalie_K]

I'd say alcohol simply because of the strain it puts on your vital organs and it has a much more definable negative effect on one's lifespan.

[BaldBastard]

Forget about how either harms an individual, look at how the drugs use effects others.

And alcohol wins that prize more than any other drug, its been destroying families and lives in mass since its creation.

[mikeet]

alcohol by far

[bronco67]

Alcohol can be used as a cleaning and antiseptic agent. If someone wants to argue if that's better to put in your body than cannabis then they've lost too many brain cells from alcohol.

And have you ever heard of two stoned people fighting? I'll bet you've heard about drunks fighting.

[kane]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Alcohol can be used as a cleaning and antiseptic agent. If someone wants to argue if that's better to put in your body than cannabis then they've lost too many brain cells from alcohol.

And have you ever heard of two stoned people fighting? I'll bet you've heard about drunks fighting.

Yep. People don't get baked then beat the shit out of their spouse and kids. They might ignore them, but they aren't attacking anyone.

[brassmonkey]

some pot smokers in here hippie alert

[King Mark]

I've seen people drink themselves to death. Currently watching 2 family members do it now.

Never seen anybody weed themselves to death.

Smoking is bad tho. No matter what it is. Luckily you dont have to smoke weed to utilize it.

I smoke a lot of weed. I went the vape route for a while, but I'm back to my paper joints. I wish I could enjoy vaping as much as i do smoking, but it ain't the same.

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

some pot smokers in here hippie alert

How old are you if you dont mind me asking...?

Your views on a lot of shit are very old school. If I had to guess I'd say you're late 50's.

[pimpmaster9000]

How the fuck do you die from weed? I call bullshit on the whole study...paul posted it so its guaranteed to be bullshit...

[CaptainHowdy]

My british heritage allows me to have a pretty strong tolerance towards alcohol. Weed doesn't suit me well.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

How old are you if you dont mind me asking...?

Your views on a lot of shit are very old school. If I had to guess I'd say you're late 50's.

pot is just as bad as any other thing used as a vise. you over use it kills you or drives you crazy. or both.

[HairyChick]

Both are addicting in their own way. Alcohol in general though some people can drink once a week and be happy. Marijuana is addictive because people enjoy being high.

Both allow escape from reality if used properly.

I’m dealing with a doctor who doesn’t like prescribing CBD products but is researching the use medicinally for me. In my situation he’d allow pills so I mentioned THC pills. In high school they were a buck a pill. I’ll know in September.

Alcohol can ruin your liver. Smoking pot can affect your lungs. Supposedly. Cigarettes have carcinogens that affect your lungs but homegrown pot shouldn’t be chemically treated. If watered with filtered water instead of rain, pollutants and airborne chemicals won’t affect it.

I gave that argument to my doctor. He jokingly said to buy pot on the street and smoke it. I told him the above information and he was impressed. I explained that it’s common sense about rain and pot.

Alcohol can give you a hangover. Pot gives you a need to eat. I’d rather be full than hungover

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Alcohol can be used as a cleaning and antiseptic agent. If someone wants to argue if that's better to put in your body than cannabis then they've lost too many brain cells from alcohol.

And have you ever heard of two stoned people fighting? I'll bet you've heard about drunks fighting.

gasoline is for cleaning parts, alcohol is to drink, fuel is for race cars!

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Never seen anybody weed themselves to death.

my father was a dr. when I was a kid one of his friends had to being his brother over, BECAUSE his friends had put weed in his soup. they didn't tell him. the dr had to tie the guy up with belts, he was having a psychotic break. he struggled on the floor yelling and foaming at the mouth until the ambulance got there to pick him up for a ride to the hospital... bad luck strikes your thinking yet again

[OneHungLo]

Health wise I'm sure MJ smoke could cause COPD and emphysema.

Society wise a very high percentage of people are in prison for crimes ( murder and violent crime) they committed under the influence.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

smoke,oil, and alcohol are not good. who cares? you want hippies camping in your yard? when weed stops working people switch to something stronger. they know that. when you get on that you get violent. why do you think hitler made meth for his troops? so they would be fearless killers.

You are pretty fucking stupid; dumber than I gave you credit for.

To Paul: Are you serious or just as dumb as assmonkey?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

pot is just as bad as any other thing used as a vise. you over use it kills you or drives you crazy. or both.

This is how stupid you are. A vise is not the same thing as a vice.

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

my father was a dr. when I was a kid one of his friends had to being his brother over, BECAUSE his friends had put weed in his soup. they didn't tell him. the dr had to tie the guy up with belts, he was having a psychotic break. he struggled on the floor yelling and foaming at the mouth until the ambulance got there to pick him up for a ride to the hospital... bad luck strikes your thinking yet again

Did he die?

And weed doesn't make people foam at the mouth bro. Weed in his soup? When you were a kid?

You lying?

[shake]

Alcohol is both physically addictive and deadly with a 10% mortality rate just when quitting an alcohol addiction. Cannabis is neither addictive or deadly.

I don't use either one.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

my father was a dr. when I was a kid one of his friends had to being his brother over, BECAUSE his friends had put weed in his soup. they didn't tell him. the dr had to tie the guy up with belts, he was having a psychotic break. he struggled on the floor yelling and foaming at the mouth until the ambulance got there to pick him up for a ride to the hospital... bad luck strikes your thinking yet again

So you saw this one thing 85 years ago and that means "weed is bad"?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

pot is just as bad as any other thing used as a vise. you over use it kills you or drives you crazy. or both.

The facts say you are wrong. Just look at the death toll.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by baddog

To Paul: Are you serious or just as dumb as assmonkey?

Wow, I've said something to upset seniledog. What was it we will never know.

[CurrentlySober]

i cunt a4d either of them to find out...

[MatureKing]

Paul cannabis is bad for heart?

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

my father was a dr. when I was a kid one of his friends had to being his brother over, BECAUSE his friends had put weed in his soup. they didn't tell him. the dr had to tie the guy up with belts, he was having a psychotic break. he struggled on the floor yelling and foaming at the mouth until the ambulance got there to pick him up for a ride to the hospital... bad luck strikes your thinking yet again

It was staged, your dad was trying to scare you away from the devils salad.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by MatureKing

Paul cannabis is bad for heart?

Hot babes puffing weed wrings my heart . . .

[RedFred]

There may be deaths from someone smoking pot and falling off a roof but there is not one documented death from weed itself. You would have to ingest 1500 pounds of marijuana within 15 minutes to reach its toxicity level.

What cracks me up living in a legal state is you have a few prohibition doctors who every once in a while will make claims that since its become legal more kids have ended up in the emergency room. So some dumbass eats a brownie and freaks out thinking he's dying. How do they get treated? They have them sleep it off.

Alcohol on the other hand is poison and is responsible for more deaths than all drugs combined. It is the real gateway drug and the one responsible for more crimes and has broken up more families.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by RedFred

There may be deaths from someone smoking pot and falling off a roof but there is not one documented death from weed itself. You would have to ingest 1500 pounds of marijuana within 15 minutes to reach its toxicity level.

Here yah go. A documented death. Last month in the USA...

A WOMAN has died of an overdose of cannabis, a coroner has ruled, making it the first-ever recorded death of its kind, it has been reported.

The unnamed 39-year-old was killed as a result of a vaping an excess of Tetrahydrocannabinol - or THC - the main active ingredient in marijuana and the one which gives users a high.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/927610...coroner-rules/

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Here yah go. A documented death. Last month in the USA...



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/927610...coroner-rules/

A coroner in Louisiana that experts didn't agree with.


The coroner, who has been in his post since 1988, says it’s the first death on record solely as a result of excessive THC.

Experts have, however, cast doubt on the ruling pointing out that the amount of THC needed to kill a human being is much higher than that found in the woman’s body.

Dr Montegut is standing by his report and told the New Orleans Advocate: “It looked like it was all THC because her autopsy showed no physical disease or afflictions that were the cause of death.

The woman's boyfriend said she went to hospital complaining of a chest infection three weeks before her death but was sent home with over-the-counter medicine.

Addiction expert Professor Bernard Le Fol estimated that any dangerous level would be between 100 and 1,000 times higher than the THC level found in the woman’s blood, the Advocate reported.

Former White House drugs policy adviser Keith Humphreys also cast doubt on whether the woman died of a THC overdose.

He said that with the vast amounts of marijuana consumed in the US every year, it's hard to imagine that more overdose deaths wouldn't be occurring if THC was toxic at consumable levels.

“We know from really good survey data that Americans use cannabis products billions of times a year, collectively,” he said.

“Not millions of times, but billions of times a year. So, that means that if the risk of death was one in a million, we would have a couple thousand cannabis overdose deaths a year.”



Blamed weed based on his own incompetence.

[XMaster]

I dont smoke. Just drink good wine like a rench is supposed to do haha

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by RedFred

A coroner in Louisiana that experts didn't agree with.

Blamed weed based on his own incompetence.

Yeah, but the problem is that you actually bothered to read the article and not just the headline...

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Wow, I've said something to upset seniledog. What was it we will never know.

I'm senile but you can't remember what you said.

Is cannabis or alcohol worse for you?

[mrmarcman]

I have problems with alcohol for sure...I can drink a bottle of whiskey...700 ml...well..I mix it with cola..and the day after...go and take lunch...like nothing happened....it is a problem in eastern europe..alcohol is so cheap..and women are so beautiful...what I paid in Prague last time for a beer? Krusovice...I think one dollar...and we are talking about Prague..the capital...

[pimpmaster9000]

If you die from weed you are a fucking legend...you would have to smoke an acre of weed...

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by mrmarcman

I have problems with alcohol for sure...I can drink a bottle of whiskey...700 ml...well..I mix it with cola..and the day after...go and take lunch...like nothing happened....it is a problem in eastern europe..alcohol is so cheap..and women are so beautiful...what I paid in Prague last time for a beer? Krusovice...I think one dollar...and we are talking about Prague..the capital...

Talking of prices, I remember ordering a vodka and redbull at the show hotel at webmaster access in 07. It was a single shot of house vodka and a tiny little mini version of a redbull that was smaller than a normal can. They charged me 22 Euros ! I nearly fell off my bar stool and I wasn't even drunk!

I later went to the shop next to the hotel and bought a liter of Smirnoff vodka and 4 regular size cans of redbull for less that 20 Euros!

I think that hotel drink was the most expensive drink Ive ever had in my life (For what it was...) Never again !

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

My british heritage allows me to have a pretty strong tolerance towards alcohol. Weed doesn't suit me well.

Half irish...half newfie here. Genetics on both sides give me an exceptional tolerance towards alcohol.

Weed, naw - even as an occasional recreational smoker back in the 80s/90s it never appealed much to me. Scrambled my thoughts too much...never found it enjoyable.

But in general (for others)...there's no doubt alcohol is worse for people than pot, and that's even considering the arguable issue of weed being a gateway drug (for some).

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MatureKing

Paul cannabis is bad for heart?

But is it worse or better for your health than alcohol? Taken at the same rate.

[mrmarcman]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Talking of prices, I remember ordering a vodka and redbull at the show hotel at webmaster access in 07. It was a single shot of house vodka and a tiny little mini version of a redbull that was smaller than a normal can. They charged me 22 Euros ! I nearly fell off my bar stool and I wasn't even drunk!

I later went to the shop next to the hotel and bought a liter of Smirnoff vodka and 4 regular size cans of redbull for less that 20 Euros!

I think that hotel drink was the most expensive drink Ive ever had in my life (For what it was...) Never again !

Lol sorry to hear...and by the way..do not think I need to tell you..but sometimes I forget myself.....never touch the minibar at the hotels....they are fast asking you about to refill it also...fuck no....leave me alone....it is expensive as fuck...and you will not get drunk..

[Paul Markham]

Alcohol abuse affects one in five UK inpatients, study suggests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48860621

Alcohol is the more dangerous.

[mrmarcman]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Alcohol abuse affects one in five UK inpatients, study suggests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48860621

Alcohol is the more dangerous.

Such hypocrisy....alcohol is totally legal..while cocaine..ecstasy..is not...alcohol is indeed a heavy drug...it has given me some problems....I get rude when I drink too much...

[MatureKing]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

But is it worse or better for your health than alcohol? Taken at the same rate.

Alcohol worse. I don't know. If smoke Cannabis is it ok in Some countries?