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JFK · 11-15-2019, 12:35 PM

Fitty Changes

sadiedazzle · 11-15-2019, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK

Started FUBAR with a 2 megapixel Olympus

pull the trigger, count to ten, wait for the flash. Rinse and repeat. But damn those cameras were profitable.

fuzebox · 11-15-2019, 07:07 PM

I knew it wouldn't be long until Paul got in here

CaptainHowdy · 11-15-2019, 07:13 PM

Rochard · 11-15-2019, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Quite true. Over the years we changed billers several times after getting caught up in the iBill debacle for awhile. And each time we had to switch, we lost recur billing momentum and had to start from scratch.

That's a tough pill to swallow.

Everyone got screwed over by iBill... but everyone I worked with was mostly using Epoch or CCbill.... Never really used anyone else.

sadiedazzle · 11-15-2019, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Everyone got screwed over by iBill... but everyone I worked with was mostly using Epoch or CCbill.... Never really used anyone else.

Remember Lancelot and 2000Charge. They did a fair bit of damage.

thommy · 11-16-2019, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

Started FUBAR with a 2 megapixel Olympus

2 Megapixel Olympus Camedia was also my first one. I had this special edition with Zeiss Lenses - and it was FUCKING expensive. But actually one of the very best cameras I ever had because it had a very good auto mode for idiots.

Paul Markham · 11-16-2019, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sadiedazzle

yawn. You know this how? You are clueless.

The number of people who have taking it up. If it were a success a lot more would be doing it.

Paul Markham · 11-16-2019, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I knew it wouldn't be long until Paul got in here

So make a contribution disputing what I'm saying.

The reason so many started as one man bands and never progressed beyond that to earn the really big money. Was they were never that successful. Because they could just about cobble together a TGP, submit it to TGP sites and hope, make a basic site, point a camera at a girl, there were just to many of them for them all to succeed. The few who did moved up the pecking order to owning a site that had good content, worked efficiently, etc, because they hired professionals to do the jobs they couldn't.

It takes money, skills, expertise at every level to launch a site that stands out with content that doesn't need fancy words no one reads, works properly and isn't something any self taught programmer can put up.

There are lots of independent content producers with decades of experience, content, the ability to shoot a lot more, the money to invest in sites, programmers who could build a site, etc. People should have been coming to them asking to be in charge of the traffic generation and building great sites. But all they could bleat is the offline guys don't get the Internet while asking for content, without paying for it, and demanding we leave everything to them.

thommy · 11-16-2019, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So make a contribution disputing what I'm saying.

The reason so many started as one man bands and never progressed beyond that to earn the really big money. Was they were never that successful. Because they could just about cobble together a TGP, submit it to TGP sites and hope, make a basic site, point a camera at a girl, there were just to many of them for them all to succeed. The few who did moved up the pecking order to owning a site that had good content, worked efficiently, etc, because they hired professionals to do the jobs they couldn't.

It takes money, skills, expertise at every level to launch a site that stands out with content that doesn't need fancy words no one reads, works properly and isn't something any self taught programmer can put up.

There are lots of independent content producers with decades of experience, content, the ability to shoot a lot more, the money to invest in sites, programmers who could build a site, etc. People should have been coming to them asking to be in charge of the traffic generation and building great sites. But all they could bleat is the offline guys don't get the Internet while asking for content, without paying for it, and demanding we leave everything to them.

when i listen to you explaining to people what they did wrong and how to be really successful, it sounds like a cyclist explaining how to become world champion in formula1.

you always forget that porn is only a tiny part of total internet sales. if porn were not allowed to be sold in the net tomorrow, then almost nothing would get lost...

have you ever thought about why the really big players turn over billions and buy ZERO content for it?

have you ever heard that youtube buys content? facebook buys content? google buys content?

if you still think that the internet was just made for porn you are far from reality.

you can make money with whatever in the internet as long as you are smart enough to
understand how to find the right users for the right product.
internet is that big that every product have a market - no matter how good or bad it is.
the one and only question at the end is the relation between demand and supply.
if there are more sellers than buyers it can not work.
it is that simple and well known since thousands of years.

AmeliaG · 11-18-2019, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

when i listen to you explaining to people what they did wrong and how to be really successful, it sounds like a cyclist explaining how to become world champion in formula1.

you always forget that porn is only a tiny part of total internet sales. if porn were not allowed to be sold in the net tomorrow, then almost nothing would get lost...

have you ever thought about why the really big players turn over billions and buy ZERO content for it?

have you ever heard that youtube buys content? facebook buys content? google buys content?

if you still think that the internet was just made for porn you are far from reality.

you can make money with whatever in the internet as long as you are smart enough to
understand how to find the right users for the right product.
internet is that big that every product have a market - no matter how good or bad it is.
the one and only question at the end is the relation between demand and supply.
if there are more sellers than buyers it can not work.
it is that simple and well known since thousands of years.

Compared to how much content they monetize, it might not be big dollars, but both Facebook and Google/YouTube have spent billions with a B on content.

thommy · 11-18-2019, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Compared to how much content they monetize, it might not be big dollars, but both Facebook and Google/YouTube have spent billions with a B on content.

why should they buy content?
everything is uploadet from users.

OldJeff · 11-18-2019, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you were a one man band and couldn't afford to hire experts in their different fields.

The problem with the Internet is people who could do the "design, build, maintain a computer, build a website (leaning HTML, server management), get the traffic, then do the marketing, and then handle the affiliates" thought they were skilled pornographers.

Owning the right camera doesn't mean one can shoot content that will convert surfers. Same as owning the right computer doesn't mean you can use it.

On this we agree, I have never considered myself a skilled pornographer, and only ever jokingly called myself one.

I am skilled in analyzing data, and profit analysis, I cannot code for shit, I cannot design for shit, and I certainly do not shoot porn videos or photos for shit (although I have been fortunate enough to shoot some awesome wildlife photos in my spare time)

To the question at hand, There is no ONE THING, it has been a multitude of things, just like in all industry. You can point to some Big things, the ease of entry, the advances in cameras, the ever reducing costs, TGPs, MGPs, Tubes, Social Media.

As they say in the USMC. Improvise, Adapt, Overcome

Mickey_ · 11-18-2019, 05:11 AM

Grapesoda · 11-18-2019, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

2 Megapixel Olympus Camedia was also my first one. I had this special edition with Zeiss Lenses - and it was FUCKING expensive. But actually one of the very best cameras I ever had because it had a very good auto mode for idiots.

I went digital in july 2001 with the fuji s1, 3 MP, the fuji s2 put out the best images I ever shot, best skin tones.

Paul Markham · 11-18-2019, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Compared to how much content they monetize, it might not be big dollars, but both Facebook and Google/YouTube have spent billions with a B on content.

People on GFY only sell porn and porn related products, until we gave so much away many found it unprofitable to continue.

But Thommy is right, in the last 12 years sales on the Internet have exploded except in porn where they've shrank and we now sell clicks for $5 a 1,000, in fact some of the traffic is so worthless Thommy stated it was only worth $1 a 1,000. Compare that with mainstream prices on clicks to see how bad it is.

Paul Markham · 11-18-2019, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

On this we agree, I have never considered myself a skilled pornographer, and only ever jokingly called myself one.

I am skilled in analyzing data, and profit analysis, I cannot code for shit, I cannot design for shit, and I certainly do not shoot porn videos or photos for shit (although I have been fortunate enough to shoot some awesome wildlife photos in my spare time)

To the question at hand, There is no ONE THING, it has been a multitude of things, just like in all industry. You can point to some Big things, the ease of entry, the advances in cameras, the ever reducing costs, TGPs, MGPs, Tubes, Social Media.

As they say in the USMC. Improvise, Adapt, Overcome

Being a pornographer allows one to know, before the data comes in, who can do different types of porn, how to shoot, how to market and sell, etc. Yes data will allow one to fine tune it but not tell you what works and doesn't work.

The ease of entry doesn't increase the market size by the rate of people offering the product. It just means everyone gets a smaller slice/crumb of the cake. Imagine a world without cameras anyone can own, TGPs, MGPs, Tubes, Social Media, tools for submitting, etc would raise the bar of entry and do nothing to alter the size of the market.

The worse thing that happened to the porn industry was what Rochard started the thread with.

thommy · 11-18-2019, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

People on GFY only sell porn and porn related products, until we gave so much away many found it unprofitable to continue.

But Thommy is right, in the last 12 years sales on the Internet have exploded except in porn where they've shrank and we now sell clicks for $5 a 1,000, in fact some of the traffic is so worthless Thommy stated it was only worth $1 a 1,000. Compare that with mainstream prices on clicks to see how bad it is.

paul do me a favor and inform yourself about the difference bewteen cost per click, cost per impression, value per visit and cost per aquisition . after that you should get a little clue about value per GEO and value per device.

you don´t even know the very basics of the internet industry - in no porn forum on this planet I have ever seen someone with less clues than you - and there are a lot of clueless but you are the mothership of clueless.

Paul Markham · 11-18-2019, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

paul do me a favor and inform yourself about the difference bewteen cost per click, cost per impression, value per visit and cost per aquisition . after that you should get a little clue about value per GEO and value per device.

you don´t even know the very basics of the internet industry - in no porn forum on this planet I have ever seen someone with less clues than you - and there are a lot of clueless but you are the mothership of clueless.

Are you talking about mainstream advertising or just porn advertising?

So inform us about the cost per click on porn related traffic. Both ends of the spectrum, very good to very bad.

Because I'm sure other people know mainstream advertising is worth billions a day and porn advertising isn't worth billions a year. The richest person in the world is Jeff Bezos the guy who owns Amazon.

Share your great knowledge with everyone, everyone will benefit from it.

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