Justin_Xsara

I currently own a couple of tube sites, they are doing quite well with organic traffic from Google (which is awesome), I am slowly climbing the SERPS with my SEO tactics, so all is good. However, during my travels, I often encounter sites, like this, or similar: hornyasiansex.com (cannot post URLs yet, sorry)

They look like low quality sites, however, if you look at the footer, they link to huge networks of similar sites. So I don't think such sites would be created just for fun. There has to be something in this. I really doubt such sites are getting any traffic from Google (at least, according to Ahrefs). So, my question is, where does the traffic come from? I see those sites often redirect to some other sites, when user clicks on many links. Is this where the traffic is coming from? From such traffic exchanges?

If that's true, can someone maybe point me into the direction, where I could get some info, about how this works? I would be very interested to expand my adult traffic outside of organic SEO traffic.

Thank you in advance.

Denny

I'm not sure what's your question exactly, hornyasiansex.com doesn't get any traffic at all and most of the footer/header links there point to expired domains/dead sites.

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Justin_Xsara

But still, they probably weren't dead some time ago. And still, I am having hard time to imagine, that such site would be getting any traffic from search engines. So do such sites manage to just survive from traffic from the traffic exchange? Because I see they are sending traffic to other sites, when visitor clicks on the thumbnails, etc. So I assume they are getting traffic back in the same way. Or am I wrong there?

Basically, the question is, if someone is making such sites, and making them in huge numbers, there is some sort of plan of getting traffic to them? And that's what I am trying to understand, how does that work and how do they get that traffic, if it's not from search engines.

wankawonk

knowledge is priceless in this industry, so you probably won't get a full answer here, from me or anyone else here.

I will tell you that those are called CJ tubes. The redirects you noticed are traffic trades. The list of sites at the bottom is usually their top trading partners.

where does the traffic come from?

think of CJ tubes as a dark corner of the internet where all the sites are working together to treat users like shit and keep them clicking and show them a shit-ton of pops. Traffic makes its way in through a variety of methods. Some CJ tubes buy traffic. Some CJ tubes get search traffic. Once someone is unfortunate enough to end up on a CJ tube, the only goal is to keep them clicking for as long as possible while showing as many ads as is practical.

You need a huge network of sites to do this because there's whales who will keep clicking all day if you keep throwing new sites at them. But if you keep using the same sites they'll figure out the game.

There's money in it but honestly not that much unless you're really really good...which I suppose is the same as anything in this industry.

PornDiscounts-V

That site most likely makes $40 a month. Worry about other things.

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wankawonk

probably a lot less

but the webmaster probably owns 50 more just like it and lives in a country like russia or romania or something, where that's a lot of money.

Justin_Xsara

Not a problem for me, since if I can understand how it works, I could launch like 500 of them, lol.

wankawonk

yeah but there's WAY easier ways to make money that have way more potential

a lot of these guys running CJ tubes are the same guys who used to make bank trading traffic around TGPs 15 years ago

The skills they learned there apply the same to CJ tubes so they have a huge competitive advantage over you...but there's just not that much money left in the business model.

makes no sense to try to compete with guys who are really good at doing something that stopped being super profitable 10 years ago.

Justin_Xsara

Thank you. I was mostly curious how this works. Pretty much how I imagined BTW, what does CJ stand for?

wankawonk

CJ stands for "circle-jerk"

honestly how it works is really simple to understand and really hard to implement:

imagine you have 1 high-ctr lander. You buy a hit and get them to click, but the only place you have to send them is an ad. even if you have 20% CTR (crazy high) there's no way you'll make your money back.

But if you have 50 high-ctr landers...buy a hit to the first one. 20% click and you send them to the next lander with a popunder behind. Now you might get 70% CTR on your second lander because these people are the ones gullible enough to click a thumb on a page they were redirected to. So a lot of them just keep clicking and clicking on each new lander, while you show popunders behind each click.

It's really just ad arbitrage. Not a fun game to be in because you have to constantly monitor literally everything.

Justin_Xsara

Thank you! What about if you don't buy traffic, but use traffic exchanges? The fact I am asking such question probably says, that I don't know much about how they work

wankawonk

Well in order to exchange traffic you have to have traffic to begin with you gotta get it from somewhere, buying it is the quickest way

I think that's where the term "feeder traffic" came from--you buy "feeder traffic" to "feed" the trade script.

But I don't think that's a strategy that's working so well anymore; rather, I see the best CJ tubes tend to be buying traffic and keeping it inside of their own network.

Justin_Xsara

Thank you a lot! I honestly had such ideas myself, just somehow didn't realise that those sites are doing this. And you gave me lots of info to think about. I might test out this method, so at least get any idea, if it's possible to do at all.

celandina

I guess they are better thieves then you

The Porn Nerd

You own adult tube sites and don't know what "CJ" means?
Obviously they are not gay tubes. LOL

Great info in this thread! I started down the CJ tube alley but turned around mostly because of what Wankawonk said (great posts).

But another strategy is to build these cookie cutter sites and send traffic to your own tubes. So only 1 click, not endless CJ action. Have luck!!

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Justin_Xsara

Not sure what you mean, but whatever.

Justin_Xsara

Well, I am quite new, been into adult industry this for just over a year, and focused mainly on Search engine traffic. So I don't know anything about shady ways of adult website world, lol. But I would love to learn.

wankawonk

That's exactly what TXXX.com is doing. I also suspect Mindgeek is doing it on an astonishingly massive scale, but it's not so obvious or clear-cut as what txxx.com is doing.

IMO using cookie cutter sites for CJ purposes is super 2002. In 2020 the money is in using cookie cutter sites to get search engine traffic--which means no endless redirects, less aggressive ads, and giving the user what they want.

Justin_Xsara

Just wondering, why such cookie cutter sites would get search engine traffic instead of the tube sites, that they are sending traffic to? Or they are using all kinds of very blackhat techniques to get traffic to them, which they wouldn't want to use on their normal sites?

wankawonk

You're exactly right about them using blackhat techniques on cookie cutter sites that they wouldn't want to do to their main site, but also:

1) it's impossible for tube sites to dominate every SERP for every query in every language and country, it's just impossible to optimize for literally everything.

2) pornhub/xvideos/xhamster can be #1/#2/#3 but there's still traffic going to #4, #5, etc etc

you'd think it would be other real tubes that would take these spots but it turns out cookie cutter aggregators can compete for these spots because they have easy access to huge amounts of content, so it's possible to achieve better user engagement and target more keywords than a real tube could (because the real tube is limited by how much content they can upload)

celandina

Most content on tubes is pirated... ehm " user uploaded" I did NOT have any idea that you are paying ( licensing) your content. I am sorry, please accept my apology

.. also if you believe that sites like hornyasiansex.com and other "low quality" sites are "donated" to the tubes, you must believe in Santa Claus

Justin_Xsara

What? Where did I mention anything even remotely like that? I wanted to understand, how they are making money and in general, why such sites are even created in the first place.

And what do you even mean by "donated to the tubes"?

EDIT: Actually, don't bother answering, I don't give a fuck :D

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Already have my site listed on your site ;)

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wankawonk

if your site is clean, unique content, nice backlink profile, has traffic, he will list you

alternatively you can pay $x,xxx

pornguy

I knew a guy who had blogs when they first came out.

Goal. 100$ per month per blog. Its not a lot. But for the most part at the time a blog was build it out for like 30 days and let it sit. inter link the blogs. and the traffic flows between then and from SE.

The last time I talked to him and the over all average was 100$ per month per blog. Of course some off setting others.

He had 876 of them. again this was in the early 2000's and its not that easy any more.

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shut up, no one is making 80k/month blogging, 2002, 2022, doesn't matter, no one is making 80k/month blogging

Kenko

I'm thinking there's quite a few folks who regretted not making enough haystacks when the sun shone. I know I did for a few years. When things are easy, it's easy to coast. Assuming it lasts or just as easily replaced. Still good money in custom, personal, focused, interactive etc, But just crazy to think how *EASY* it was for anyone and their dog to get the $40s flying in for a time. A few crappy pages and thousands all picturing the future as Hugh Hefner, lol

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Justin_Xsara

Sent you a Skype message.

Justin_Xsara

Didn't have to suck any dicks, he just listed it. Had to work bit more with ThePornDude, but it was mainly just add a backlink.

PornDiscounts-V

You are assuming the webmaster somehow makes money with it. He doesn't. Stick to doing quality over quantity.

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the good old mgp2.

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there was a guy from Africa called "thehardcore blogger" year 2007 , 1k a day only blogging...

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Justin_Xsara

Maybe, but then what's the point of making such sites? Don't think anyone would be doing such pointless sites just for fun.

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wankawonk

the guy you're responding to makes a LOT of money. to him these cookie cutter CJ tubes make "no money" but that doesn't mean they literally make "no money"