Man found guilty of murder because his dogs killed a woman.. Guess the breed

[crockett]

It's about time they start holding the owners of problem animals accountable for the actions of those animals. This guy owned 4 pit bulls that had previously tried to attack others and he just let them run loose. They finally attacked an mauled a 63 year old woman whom was out for a walk. The dogs bit her over 200 times and her death was due to bleeding to death. The dogs tore off her scalp, ripped off one of her arms and drug the woman's body over 50ft.

Police also found a illegal pot grow farm at his house which likely means he was attempting to use the pit bulls as guard dogs. It's about time assholes like this that think it's cool to have dogs like these that were trained to attack, get their ass charged with murder when the dog does attack.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/californ...gs-kill-woman/

[Sly]

There are a few breeds that if the dog bites someone, you have to put the dog to sleep. I'm surprised that this was not the case with the earlier attacks, or maybe he completely ignored orders? Which should have involved the police.

Very sad.

[L-Pink]

Those were 4 of his 8 dogs.

[brassmonkey]

The coroner said she died from blood loss after being bitten 200 times. The dogs dragged her 50 yards, took off her scalp and removed an arm.

[Joshua G]

if she had a gun, she'd still be with us.

[2MuchMark]

Glad he's in jail. Pit Bulls are dangerous animals and owning multiple dogs, letting them run loose etc is a tragedy waiting to happen.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

if she had a gun, she'd still be with us.

stupid! it lessens the chance not 100%

[bronco67]

Pit Bulls are generally owned by people who shouldn't own dogs. That's the biggest problem with Pits.

I was out walking my Lab a couple days ago and met a twenty something dude with a cute little pit bull puppy. After listening to this douche rocket talk for a few minutes, I knew there was no hope for this dog. And to top it off, he wants to breed his pet to create a new litter of dogs who will probably be adopted by macho dicks just like him.

We could stop the animals dying in shelters if we would make dog breeding something you need a license for. Morons like that kid shouldn't be able to create new future problem dogs, which will probably end up in shelters.

[MediaGuy]

There are lots of myths about Pitbulls. For some reason, they're disproportionally represented in the media whenever one bites a person, but for every one of those there's an attack/bite story featuring cocker spaniels, dalmatians, even chihuahuas, German Shepherds and poodles that are completely ignored...

:D

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

There are lots of myths about Pitbulls. For some reason, they're disproportionally represented in the media whenever one bites a person, but for every one of those there's an attack/bite story featuring cocker spaniels, dalmatians, even chihuahuas, German Shepherds and poodles that are completely ignored...

:D

Same reason people getting shot with bb or pellet guns don't make the news. Things usually end well.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

There are lots of myths about Pitbulls. For some reason, they're disproportionally represented in the media whenever one bites a person, but for every one of those there's an attack/bite story featuring cocker spaniels, dalmatians, even chihuahuas, German Shepherds and poodles that are completely ignored...

:D

Show me the last time a poodle or a chihuahua ripped someones arm off.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

There are lots of myths about Pitbulls. For some reason, they're disproportionally represented in the media whenever one bites a person, but for every one of those there's an attack/bite story featuring cocker spaniels, dalmatians, even chihuahuas, German Shepherds and poodles that are completely ignored...

:D

I don't understand why the "problem" dog lovers don't understand the very simple concept of power. A pitbull bites you, you can be dead. A poodle bites you, you are buying ice cream three minutes later.

I don't mind these "problem" dogs and I blame the owners more than the dog itself, but denying the power these animals have is absolutely ridiculous.

[CurrentlySober]

Blick????

[crockett]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Pit Bulls are generally owned by people who shouldn't own dogs. That's the biggest problem with Pits.

I was out walking my Lab a couple days ago and met a twenty something dude with a cute little pit bull puppy. After listening to this douche rocket talk for a few minutes, I knew there was no hope for this dog. And to top it off, he wants to breed his pet to create a new litter of dogs who will probably be adopted by macho dicks just like him.

We could stop the animals dying in shelters if we would make dog breeding something you need a license for. Morons like that kid shouldn't be able to create new future problem dogs, which will probably end up in shelters.

Yes, you can almost expect that the owner of a pit bull will be either white trash rednecks or a gettho bangers of assorted flavors.. You pretty much never see "normal" people that own a pit bull. It's very rare there is an exception to this rule. It's almost always a case that the dogs are also mis treated and have been encouraged to be aggressive by the owners.

I have seen a few lovable pit bulls, but I'd never trust them around kids.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's about time they start holding the owners of problem animals accountable for the actions of those animals. This guy owned 4 pit bulls that had previously tried to attack others and he just let them run loose. They finally attacked an mauled a 63 year old woman whom was out for a walk. The dogs bit her over 200 times and her death was due to bleeding to death. The dogs tore off her scalp, ripped off one of her arms and drug the woman's body over 50ft.

Police also found a illegal pot grow farm at his house which likely means he was attempting to use the pit bulls as guard dogs. It's about time assholes like this that think it's cool to have dogs like these that were trained to attack, get their ass charged with murder when the dog does attack.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/californ...gs-kill-woman/

seems like weed is the issue here, time to crack down on pot growing

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

Yes, you can almost expect that the owner of a pit bull will be either white trash rednecks or a gettho bangers of assorted flavors.. You pretty much never see "normal" people that own a pit bull. It's very rare there is an exception to this rule. It's almost always a case that the dogs are also mis treated and have been encouraged to be aggressive by the owners.

I have seen a few lovable pit bulls, but I'd never trust them around kids.

how come you 'state white trash' and not 'black ghetto bangers'? you're a bit racist aren't you?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

There are lots of myths about Pitbulls. For some reason, they're disproportionally represented in the media whenever one bites a person, but for every one of those there's an attack/bite story featuring cocker spaniels, dalmatians, even chihuahuas, German Shepherds and poodles that are completely ignored...

:D

I've been bitten my several Chihuahuas (little cocksuckers)

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Same reason people getting shot with bb or pellet guns don't make the news. Things usually end well.

This year, a Chow-chow tore a little girl to shreds. Last year, a French woman became the first recipient of a face transplant because hers was ripped off by a Labrador.

The stats are out there. Pits are no more likely to bite or kill than most dogs. They're below the average for German Shepherds, and Spaniels lead the pack in snap-bite reports.

Pits don't have that BS "lock jaw" thing, and don't have more pressure per square inch than any other dog, and in fact less than some.

They *do* have a tendency to not let go. That's species-specific, but often means they don't inflict as many bites as other breeds will.

Where the whole "killer dog" myth comes from I'm not sure - Pitbulls used to be literally "The All-American Dog", posted in propaganda posters in WWII (when pot was not just legal but required by law for the war effort), advertising, movies and serials before that for decades.

I own a pit bull. He's not even neutered yet, and he's a sweetheart with babies, cats, humans, you name it. He hates bigger dogs, but all dogs do...

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Show me the last time a poodle or a chihuahua ripped someones arm off.

Not quite dismemberment, but http://www.wboc.com/story/10769319/g...-poodle-attack

That's from a first page Google search.

Poodles aren't the same as "miniature poodles" btw - which can be sonsabitches in the bite department, but rarely fatal - and are quite scary especially when they're groomed. They look so cute. I was 10 my sister was 8 when we were attacked by regular (cute pom-pom fucker) poodles - but we managed to make it to the other side of their fence - which they bit and tried to tear at like horror movie dogs.

A three-year old was recently annoying and teasing my pit with something - a sock or a scarf or something, and he just lay on his back and grumbled - arrr fucking kid arrrarrrooh - but a very docile Dalmatian I had took a meaty chunk out of my friend's stomach at a hyper kid's birthday party when I was young...

Disney and the real world don't always jibe.

Originally Posted by Sly

I don't understand why the "problem" dog lovers don't understand the very simple concept of power. A pitbull bites you, you can be dead. A poodle bites you, you are buying ice cream three minutes later.

I don't mind these "problem" dogs and I blame the owners more than the dog itself, but denying the power these animals have is absolutely ridiculous.

There's no denying their power. If I'm not attentive, my dog can decide that *this* spot *must* be sniffed and when he stops I end up yanked - in winter once, I ended up on my ass because of the ice.

A couple times my dog was caught in a literal bite-fight with another dog, both times because their idiot owners didn't have them on a leash. They "trusted" their dogs. So we end up in a tug-of-war trying to pull apart these dawgs with their jaws on each other - very powerful, no denying it.

:D

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

how come you 'state white trash' and not 'black ghetto bangers'? you're a bit racist aren't you?

Because rednecks only come in the white trash variety. However gettho gang bangers come in all flavors, from Black, White, Asian, Latino and so on.. You ever seen a Black redneck or a Asian one?

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I've been bitten my several Chihuahuas (little cocksuckers)

In that case you must have a very small cock then....

www.leocaprice.com

That is mine... Try as I might, I just simply CANNOT force my cock down his throat to get a good sucking...

[DAMNMAN]

What's the difference between a pitbull and a chihuahua fucking your leg?

The pitbull gets to finish!!! >;-)

[marcop]

Originally Posted by crockett

Because rednecks only come in the white trash variety. However gettho gang bangers come in all flavors, from Black, White, Asian, Latino and so on.. You ever seen a Black redneck or a Asian one?

Can't we all get along?

[DDuckworth]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

if she had a gun, she'd still be with us.

While I am all for gun ownership and training, I don't think any 63 year old woman could take down 4 pitbulls with any concealed carry weapon. And if you expect she'll take an AK out with her everywhere then of course that's ridiculous.

The problem with angry dogs is that you can shoot them right in the face and they keep coming, me and my friend had to put down a rabies dog once that was about the size of a pitbull, it took 4 rounds and they all landed in the head. It was a 9mm. Terrible time and memory, but it had to be done ya know But that was just one, 4 pibtulls? No chance.

That's not the kind of dog to run when it hears a loud bang.

[kane]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

This year, a Chow-chow tore a little girl to shreds. Last year, a French woman became the first recipient of a face transplant because hers was ripped off by a Labrador.

The stats are out there. Pits are no more likely to bite or kill than most dogs. They're below the average for German Shepherds, and Spaniels lead the pack in snap-bite reports.

I can't say whether or not they are more likely to bite, they probably are not, but you simply can't say that they are no more likely to kill than most dogs.

Here are stats taken from 2009-2013. During that time in the US 283 people died from dog bites. Pit bulls accounted for 62.2% of those deaths. The next closest was rottweiler at 11.7%.

Any big dog that decides it wants to do damage is capable of doing plenty of damage, but the stats don't lie, Pits are responsible for more deaths than every other breed combined.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Blick????

l o l

lethal weapon 2, right?

[MiamiBoyz]

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

There are lots of myths about Pitbulls. For some reason, they're disproportionally represented in the media whenever one bites a person, but for every one of those there's an attack/bite story featuring cocker spaniels, dalmatians, even chihuahuas, German Shepherds and poodles that are completely ignored...

:D

They aren't disproportionately represented in the media. As the study Kane referenced shows, during the last 9 years, Pits accounted for 62% of all dog bite fatalities in the USA. I have no idea what stats you keep referring to, but all that I've seen state the exact opposite of what you claim. The German Shepherd and Rottweiler have the 2 most powerful bites, yet combined they account for only 15% of all dog attack fatalities.

As a Pit owner you seem to have lost objectivity. Your dog has already shown extremely aggressive behavior towards other dogs and you still haven't got it fixed. The thing with Pits is they can be gentle and pleasant with adults and kids for a long period of time, but it just takes that one time for them to flip out and wreak havoc.

[AdultKing]

Pit Bulls are illegal to own here, with good reason.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by DDuckworth

While I am all for gun ownership and training, I don't think any 63 year old woman could take down 4 pitbulls with any concealed carry weapon. And if you expect she'll take an AK out with her everywhere then of course that's ridiculous.

The problem with angry dogs is that you can shoot them right in the face and they keep coming, me and my friend had to put down a rabies dog once that was about the size of a pitbull, it took 4 rounds and they all landed in the head. It was a 9mm. Terrible time and memory, but it had to be done ya know But that was just one, 4 pibtulls? No chance.

That's not the kind of dog to run when it hears a loud bang.

i'm sorry. next time i will say, if she were a 9 year old holding an uzi, she'd still be with us today.

anyway. in your story your buddy was using a 9. next time use 44 magnum, the dog wont take 4 shots, i promise.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

Because rednecks only come in the white trash variety. However gettho gang bangers come in all flavors, from Black, White, Asian, Latino and so on.. You ever seen a Black redneck or a Asian one?

another liberal racist

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by lazycash

The German Shepherd and Rottweiler have the 2 most powerful bites, .

not true at all, my dog, Old English mastiff, has one of the most powerful bit of a dog.. bite is determined by head size...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

another liberal racist

You mad because white people have managed to corner the market on rednecks?

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

not true at all, my dog, Old English mastiff, has one of the most powerful bit of a dog.. bite is determined by head size...

I looked at several sources, not one mentioned anything about head size being a factor in measuring jaw pressure in a dog bite. I think every source I looked at had different findings and I did see one that listed the mastiff #2. My point was that the Rottweiler and German Shepherd are usually listed in the top 5 and are #2 and #3 in fatalities, but they pale in comparison to the Pit in number of attack deaths.

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by kane

I can't say whether or not they are more likely to bite, they probably are not, but you simply can't say that they are no more likely to kill than most dogs.

Here are stats taken from 2009-2013. During that time in the US 283 people died from dog bites. Pit bulls accounted for 62.2% of those deaths. The next closest was rottweiler at 11.7%.

Any big dog that decides it wants to do damage is capable of doing plenty of damage, but the stats don't lie, Pits are responsible for more deaths than every other breed combined.

If you do a little research, you'll find that site/link you posted actually isn't legit. It was started by someone who got bit by what *might* or might not have been a Pit. Their stats are only culled from media reports of such attacks, which, if we consider media bias for pit bull stories (reporters listening to their police scanner apparently ignoring labrador, chow-chow and poodle incidents), means they're completely irrelevant.

According to the American Temperament Test Society, Pit Bulls are among the coolest characters in the dog world, and rate better than Collies and Retrievers and Cocckers and so on. It's part of the reason they're so popular for zootherapy, helping veterans, elderly people and children who are traumatized or with terminal conditions, as well as search & rescue and first response animals.

Pitbulls aren't nasty, aggressive dogs unless you make them that way.

:D

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

If you do a little research, you'll find that site/link you posted actually isn't legit. It was started by someone who got bit by what *might* or might not have been a Pit. Their stats are only culled from media reports of such attacks, which, if we consider media bias for pit bull stories (reporters listening to their police scanner apparently ignoring labrador, chow-chow and poodle incidents), means they're completely irrelevant.

According to the American Temperament Test Society, Pit Bulls are among the coolest characters in the dog world, and rate better than Collies and Retrievers and Cocckers and so on. It's part of the reason they're so popular for zootherapy, helping veterans, elderly people and children who are traumatized or with terminal conditions, as well as search & rescue and first response animals.

Pitbulls aren't nasty, aggressive dogs unless you make them that way.

:D

I actually came in here to say that this is a pretty rare occurrence and this is easily something that can be taken out of context but then you came in here with your 'do a little research' bullshit and pissed all over anyones argument for owning one... bravo.

They are naturally nasty and aggressive and they aren't screened for violence or anything else which is why they will never be accepted as a breed in the AKC. You have to train them not to be violent, just as you would most dogs. The difference is THEY ARE STRONG AND FUCKING DANGEROUS compared to ANY BREED. Yes, even the evil terrible chow chow, and the ominous labrador retriever that is clearly killing more people than rabid alligators according to your cherry picked stats..

You shouldn't be advising anyone on this subject, you clearly don't know dogs at all.

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by lazycash

They aren't disproportionately represented in the media. As the study Kane referenced shows, during the last 9 years, Pits accounted for 62% of all dog bite fatalities in the USA. I have no idea what stats you keep referring to, but all that I've seen state the exact opposite of what you claim. The German Shepherd and Rottweiler have the 2 most powerful bites, yet combined they account for only 15% of all dog attack fatalities.

As a Pit owner you seem to have lost objectivity. Your dog has already shown extremely aggressive behavior towards other dogs and you still haven't got it fixed. The thing with Pits is they can be gentle and pleasant with adults and kids for a long period of time, but it just takes that one time for them to flip out and wreak havoc.

They ARE disproportionately represented. The study referred to took into account MEDIA reports of attacks/fatalities, which can be easily shown to be non-representative and sensationalistic.

All the stats or whatever you're referring to probably relate back to the CDC report, which they admit are based solely on media reports.

They obviously don't refer to actual facts of the National Canine Research Council: http://bslnews.files.wordpress.com/2...ies-report.pdf

My dog hasn't shown "extremely aggressive behaviour", only typical breed behaviour. Most dogs are aggressive towards some species, and in canines it's often a hierarchical reaction towards other canines.

Your thing that Pits "can be gentle and pleasant with adults and kids for a long period of time, but it just takes that one time for them to flip out and wreak havoc" is completely contradicted by facts. The same story used to be told about Dobermans - I don't know how old you are, but before the whole Pitbull craze there was an anti-Doberman thing, about 'brain-swell' and sudden-snap aggressive madness occurrences. Which were, as is now known, pure dog-poop.

Dig deeper.

[kane]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

If you do a little research, you'll find that site/link you posted actually isn't legit. It was started by someone who got bit by what *might* or might not have been a Pit. Their stats are only culled from media reports of such attacks, which, if we consider media bias for pit bull stories (reporters listening to their police scanner apparently ignoring labrador, chow-chow and poodle incidents), means they're completely irrelevant.

According to the American Temperament Test Society, Pit Bulls are among the coolest characters in the dog world, and rate better than Collies and Retrievers and Cocckers and so on. It's part of the reason they're so popular for zootherapy, helping veterans, elderly people and children who are traumatized or with terminal conditions, as well as search & rescue and first response animals.

Pitbulls aren't nasty, aggressive dogs unless you make them that way.

:D

I actually read that pits often score better on the temperament chart than many other dogs. The number 1 biting dog is actually the dachshund. The difference is the amount of damage the bite can do.

Here is a study done by the CDC that culls data from 1979-1996. They admit that in some cases (roughly 25%) the type of dog that kills a person is not identified by breed for a number of reasons (typically because the dog was not captured or the attack was not witnessed). However, the study shows that of those that are identified, Pits are still #1 far and away with Rotts coming in second with about half as many fatalities.

Can some pits be great dogs? Absolutely. I grew up next door to a family that had one and she was one of the warmest, sweetest dogs I have ever known. Meanwhile, a friend of mine's aunt as a dachshund that has bitten me every time I have gone over to her house and she just laughs it off and thinks it funny. Does the owner and the training have a lot to do with it? Sure. None of that changes the fact that more people are killed by pit bulls than any other dog breed.

Personally I would never own a pit especially if I had kids or had friends with kids that are around. They are powerhouse animals that are capable of doing serious damage if they decide to.

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

I actually came in here to say that this is a pretty rare occurrence and this is easily something that can be taken out of context but then you came in here with your 'do a little research' bullshit and pissed all over anyones argument for owning one... bravo.

They are naturally nasty and aggressive and they aren't screened for violence or anything else which is why they will never be accepted as a breed in the AKC. You have to train them not to be violent, just as you would most dogs. The difference is THEY ARE STRONG AND FUCKING DANGEROUS compared to ANY BREED. Yes, even the evil terrible chow chow, and the ominous labrador retriever that is clearly killing more people than rabid alligators according to your cherry picked stats..

You shouldn't be advising anyone on this subject, you clearly don't know dogs at all.

My "do a little research" suggestion was the furthest thing from bullshit. Arguments based on popular bias aren't arguments.

Pitbulls aren't "naturally nasty" and aren't inherently aggressive. No dog is. The AKC doesn't recognize the term "pitbull" but recognizes most pit-bull terrier breeds if they aren't mixed, which most dogs we know as "pitbulls" are.

Dogs just have to be trained, educated, raised as loving members of a family - human or otherwise. They don't need to be trained or taught OUT of being aggressive. They're usually "trained" INTO being nasty.

As with most situations, the humans are the determining factor.

Take a read: http://bslnews.files.wordpress.com/2...lities-ncr.pdf

:D

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by kane

Here is a study done by the CDC that culls data from 1979-1996. They admit that in some cases (roughly 25%) the type of dog that kills a person is not identified by breed for a number of reasons (typically because the dog was not captured or the attack was not witnessed). However, the study shows that of those that are identified, Pits are still #1 far and away with Rotts coming in second with about half as many fatalities.

If you read a little further into that report, the CDC admits their "study" is based on media reports only.

Media loves the word "pitbull" as much as they used to love the word "doberman" - however they aren't a sound data source for the conclusion that Pits are more deadly or crazy or aggressive than other breeds...

:D

[kane]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

If you read a little further into that report, the CDC admits their "study" is based on media reports only.

Media loves the word "pitbull" as much as they used to love the word "doberman" - however they aren't a sound data source for the conclusion that Pits are more deadly or crazy or aggressive than other breeds...

:D

The study actually says in it that they use multiple sources. Media reports are one of the sources. Data collected from the Humane Society is another source.

I have never said that the pits are more aggressive than other dogs or that they are crazy. To me the information, while still somewhat flawed (in some cases they can't identify the dog and in others they can't identify the dog breed. There is also questions on how to classify "mutts" that attack) it seems pretty clear to me that pitbull-type does are responsible for more deaths.

I realize I'm not going to change your mind and in the end, when you think about it, there are only about 10-20 people per year in this country killed by dogs which is a tiny amount when you consider how many dogs are out there, but if it were me I would never own a pitbull. I prefer pets that can't rip my arm off if one day they decide to.

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by kane

The study actually says in it that they use multiple sources. Media reports are one of the sources. Data collected from the Humane Society is another source.

I have never said that the pits are more aggressive than other dogs or that they are crazy. To me the information, while still somewhat flawed (in some cases they can't identify the dog and in others they can't identify the dog breed. There is also questions on how to classify "mutts" that attack) it seems pretty clear to me that pitbull-type does are responsible for more deaths.

Well I'm still in the open about which breeds are responsible for the most attacks, though if you want to mash them all into the "pitbull-type" category you just might be right...

Originally Posted by kane

I realize I'm not going to change your mind and in the end, when you think about it, there are only about 10-20 people per year in this country killed by dogs which is a tiny amount when you consider how many dogs are out there, but if it were me I would never own a pitbull. I prefer pets that can't rip my arm off if one day they decide to.

You may "change my mind" seeing as my research has been most cursory, and empirically my experience is obviously related to my own big goonie doof-doof (Nero, in case you're wondering), and I do bow to the gods of science, reality and facts.

But never underestimate your beast:



:D

[klinton]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

There are lots of myths about Pitbulls. For some reason, they're disproportionally represented in the media whenever one bites a person, but for every one of those there's an attack/bite story featuring cocker spaniels, dalmatians, even chihuahuas, German Shepherds and poodles that are completely ignored...

:D

because pitbulls are like that, it is not a stereotype...one of the most territorial and agressive dog

[RummyBoy]

Damn, that's so sad...... totally unnecessary loss of life, think about what that woman's family must have gone through.

[Blingbaby]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

There are lots of myths about Pitbulls. For some reason, they're disproportionally represented in the media whenever one bites a person, but for every one of those there's an attack/bite story featuring cocker spaniels, dalmatians, even chihuahuas, German Shepherds and poodles that are completely ignored...

:D

Please. You look just like one of those macho dudes the post above your talks about. Grow a dick man, no need for props!

[Paully]

Pitbulls are great dogs. I've had a few. Never bit me pissed off once. Again, they have a higher level of lethality than say a chihuahua or a cocker spaniel.

A chihuahua bites you and you put some neosporin on it. A pit bites you and you will very likely be hospital bound.

They get freaked out sometimes. They make mistakes and misinterpret shit, you know because they don't speak the language.

Pits, bull terriers, Rottweilers, Chows , Ridgebacks, all are great dogs but are very capable of fucking somebody up in a serious way.

[Sly]

Regarding the chow chow. When I was a kid we had a yellow lab/chow chow mix. Real sweet dog but he had his moments, there was definitely aggression in him and we all know how sweet a yellow lab can be. One day he bit our neighbor friend, tore several tendons. We were forced to put him to sleep.

That's with a chow chow mix, not sure how these purebred more aggressive breeds can attack without being put to sleep.

[DDuckworth]

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

i'm sorry. next time i will say, if she were a 9 year old holding an uzi, she'd still be with us today.

anyway. in your story your buddy was using a 9. next time use 44 magnum, the dog wont take 4 shots, i promise.

I'd like to see a short film about a 9yr old with an uzi who fights off packs of dogs due to a ravaged future. Sounds hilarious to watch!

I mentioned the caliber because I knew it would come up in question of what was used to shoot the dogs. I realize a 44 mag might be a better option, but when I hear of little old ladies arming themselves I am pretty sure the last thing they would purchase is a 44. More likely a .22 - such as my grandma who is 70something and keeps a .22 double barrel derringer by her bed. I don't think it would really do her any good in most situations but it makes her feel better.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Sly

Regarding the chow chow. When I was a kid we had a yellow lab/chow chow mix. Real sweet dog but he had his moments, there was definitely aggression in him and we all know how sweet a yellow lab can be. One day he bit our neighbor friend, tore several tendons. We were forced to put him to sleep.

That's with a chow chow mix, not sure how these purebred more aggressive breeds can attack without being put to sleep.

A friend of mine's wife had a purebred chow when they first met and that dog was mean to anyone that wasn't her. Even after they dated for a few years and got married the dog didn't like him that much and they had to lock it in another room if anyone came over or it would bite them.

[TurboAngel]

I have a great Pitt. My best friend is a dog trainer, so she's a great dog. I don't allow her to be off a leach and she's not around kids. I have never tied her to a tree or starved her. I have 100% faith she would never attack someone unless they were trying to hurt me. In this case I'm glad the guy is in jail as it's more his fault than the dog's.

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

This year, a Chow-chow tore a little girl to shreds. Last year, a French woman became the first recipient of a face transplant because hers was ripped off by a Labrador.

The stats are out there. Pits are no more likely to bite or kill than most dogs. They're below the average for German Shepherds, and Spaniels lead the pack in snap-bite reports.

Pits don't have that BS "lock jaw" thing, and don't have more pressure per square inch than any other dog, and in fact less than some.

They *do* have a tendency to not let go. That's species-specific, but often means they don't inflict as many bites as other breeds will.

Where the whole "killer dog" myth comes from I'm not sure - Pitbulls used to be literally "The All-American Dog", posted in propaganda posters in WWII (when pot was not just legal but required by law for the war effort), advertising, movies and serials before that for decades.

I own a pit bull. He's not even neutered yet, and he's a sweetheart with babies, cats, humans, you name it. He hates bigger dogs, but all dogs do...



Not quite dismemberment, but http://www.wboc.com/story/10769319/g...-poodle-attack

That's from a first page Google search.

Poodles aren't the same as "miniature poodles" btw - which can be sonsabitches in the bite department, but rarely fatal - and are quite scary especially when they're groomed. They look so cute. I was 10 my sister was 8 when we were attacked by regular (cute pom-pom fucker) poodles - but we managed to make it to the other side of their fence - which they bit and tried to tear at like horror movie dogs.

A three-year old was recently annoying and teasing my pit with something - a sock or a scarf or something, and he just lay on his back and grumbled - arrr fucking kid arrrarrrooh - but a very docile Dalmatian I had took a meaty chunk out of my friend's stomach at a hyper kid's birthday party when I was young...

Disney and the real world don't always jibe.



There's no denying their power. If I'm not attentive, my dog can decide that *this* spot *must* be sniffed and when he stops I end up yanked - in winter once, I ended up on my ass because of the ice.

A couple times my dog was caught in a literal bite-fight with another dog, both times because their idiot owners didn't have them on a leash. They "trusted" their dogs. So we end up in a tug-of-war trying to pull apart these dawgs with their jaws on each other - very powerful, no denying it.

:D

you are a fucking moron if you think pit bulls don't cause more damage than any other dog.

a pit bull killed my chihuahua. it's the only pit i've ever encountered in my life, and wallah. guess the race? sometimes stereotypes are true.