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ServerGenius · 05-23-2003, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master_Yoba
bad day

They owe us a lot of money. Yes, we switched around 1.5 months ago but we still have rebills with them. It's actually good that wsb was just backup processor for us. CCBill rules

We have a dump of all wsb members' emails and we're going to offer them to initiate charge back processes. I know that we will not get our money but members can get it from that fucking bank and fucking VISA/MC. It will be porn for free action

I hope all merchants read this thread and make sure you won't
ever get a processing account again.

DynaMite

Master_Yoba · 05-23-2003, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Madball
Does anybody know which EU aquiring bank WSB was using?

Yes, I want to know too.

And IBillEU bank

What's the fucking secret?

Master_Yoba · 05-23-2003, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain

I hope all merchants read this thread and make sure you won't
ever get a processing account again.

DynaMite

We are smarter than you think. It will be not just an Instruction how to initiate charge back process, it will be a deal

And sure, all merchants who have problems will be away from us. Everytime when our request is declined we will post here: "Warning! They are on fire!

"

Master_Yoba · 05-23-2003, 06:08 AM

.........

ServerGenius · 05-23-2003, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master_Yoba

We are smarter than you think. It will be not just an Instruction how to initiate charge back process, it will be a deal

And sure, all merchants who have problems will be away from us. Everytime when our request will be declined we will post here: "Warning! They are on fire! "

Wow you really have it all figurred out....

DynaMite

Master_Yoba · 05-23-2003, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain

Wow you really have it all figurred out....

DynaMite

I will *bump* this topic and your smartest inputs

SexySarah · 05-23-2003, 06:18 AM

can anyone in this thread actually spell?

ServerGenius · 05-23-2003, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master_Yoba

I will *bump* this topic and your smartest inputs

Listen man, no offence and I'm really, really sorry that you have
lost money because all of this. I truly am. But instructing people
to do chargebacks is IMHO not the way to go.

I wouldn't be suprised that it's apart from stupid illegal aswell.
You might want to check that out before you go all out.

Your action will not bring back any lost monies but only hurt our
industry as a whole more. Even though it's done on a small scale
only.

You could block the users that have paid and tell them what
happened but I doubt your users will care. It's hassle for them
and they want to see porn. Most likely they will just move on
and remember that in the future never to sign up for your sites
again.

DynaMite

Master_Yoba · 05-23-2003, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain

Listen man, no offence and I'm really, really sorry that you have
lost money because all of this. I truly am. But instructing people
to do chargebacks is IMHO not the way to go.

I wouldn't be suprised that it's apart from stupid illegal aswell.
You might want to check that out before you go all out.

Your action will not bring back any lost monies but only hurt our
industry as a whole more. Even though it's done on a small scale
only.

You could block the users that have paid and tell them what
happened but I doubt your users will care. It's hassle for them
and they want to see porn. Most likely they will just move on
and remember that in the future never to sign up for your sites
again.

DynaMite

DynaMite, plz re-read my posts once again. I said it's not just a chargback instruction it will be a DEAL

Master_Yoba · 05-23-2003, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master_Yoba

Yes, I want to know too.

And IBillEU bank

What's the fucking secret?

*bump*

Where is Kimmy? She knows everything

ServerGenius · 05-23-2003, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master_Yoba

DynaMite, plz re-read my posts once again. I said it's not just a chargback instruction it will be a DEAL

Ok maybe I missunderstood....as Sarah already pointed out my
English is not my native language....I guess I'm missing the point

DynaMite

SexySarah · 05-23-2003, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain

Ok maybe I missunderstood....as Sarah already pointed out my
English is not my native language....I guess I'm missing the point

DynaMite

your english is much better than my espanol

nevermind · 05-23-2003, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

IBill and Epoch are not in trouble, I don't know where you come up with that -- Jettis has also admitted to being fined under the STUPID Mastercard monopoly and I will bet you every dime you own that EVERY other processor has been as well, but is just keeping quiet about it.

IBill has a massive corporation behind them, one that just posted something like a 62% increase in profits for the quarter. That is certainly not in trouble. Epoch didn't pass the Mastercard bs fines on to their clients, so that doesn't sound like they are in trouble either.

As to how they work without charging the $750? While I am no genie, my guess is not going to be too fucking well once Visa gets through with them... they'll either be charging the fee and registering folks properly or Visa will take action --

but then again you already knew that the guys from Compliance for Visa US have taken over Compliance for Visa International, right?

Hey Kimmy. This is only a question but, do you know what happened to Websitebilling's lawsuit against Visa? Obviously, it didn't do them much good but I was wondering if you knew why.

Was it because they actually lost the case or did they not have enough money/resources to see it through? I couldn't find anything except the original press releases on it.

I agree that IBill and Epoch have a better shot at weathering this (especially IBill with the profits you mentioned). And I agree that WB screwed up with Visa and the $750 fee. I wonder if Globill will be next. Very interesting info on the Visa compliance people.

One point of disagreement though: If all of the IPSP's lose Mastercard, that would certainly be "trouble." And Mastercard is certainly threatening to do that.

What's your prediction if that happens?

ServerGenius · 05-23-2003, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SexySarah

your english is much better than my espanol

I wouldn't be too sure of that....I do speak speak Spanish but
Dutch is my native language....so my Spanish is Tourist Spanish
aswell.

DynaMite

SexySarah · 05-23-2003, 06:50 AM

epoch are next

the writing's on the wall

nevermind · 05-23-2003, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SexySarah
epoch are next

the writing's on the wall

It's possible. But it all depends on how much $$$$ they have.

If Epoch has a lot of $$$$, I wouldn't necessarily jump to that conclusion.

Besides, if Epoch goes under, their people would have a very hard time selling Epassporte.

Obviously Epoch is closely associated with Epassporte, and they been using Epoch's reputation to sell it, even though it's a seperate company.

So, if you look at it that way, they have every incentive not to go under.

Validus · 05-23-2003, 06:54 AM

This is unfortunate news. At times like this we can see the clear benefits of operating our own private billing company which comes with clear advantages. I would like to wish the best of luck to the WSB crew and all its clients.

AmatureTeenVideos · 05-23-2003, 06:57 AM

I have been usign http://www.2checkout.com for a year, and am fairly happy.
Anyone have any problems with them?

Kim
http://www.AmatureTeenVideos.com

SexySarah · 05-23-2003, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AmatureTeenVideos
I have been usign http://www.2checkout.com for a year, and am fairly happy.
Anyone have any problems with them?

Kim
http://www.AmatureTeenVideos.com

they don't process adult do they?

that's probably why they're okay

mainstream processors 'seem' safe for now

clickbank.com
2checkout.com
paysystems.com

...and so on...

nevermind · 05-23-2003, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SexySarah

mainstream processors 'seem' safe for now

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion either.

Look at PayPal. They did both mainstream and adult.

And they dumped adult.

It was probably easier for them to do that because they have so much mainstream business i.e. Ebay.

http · 05-23-2003, 07:06 AM

I think 2checkout does adult videos & toys but not memberships

FreeNetPass Steve · 05-23-2003, 07:09 AM

Maybe WSB is just preparing for their new and improved system... WSB 2.0

The world may never know.

nevermind · 05-23-2003, 07:16 AM

Nevermind ... LOL. Post screwup.

nevermind · 05-23-2003, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Validus
At times like this we can see the clear benefits of operating our own private billing company which comes with clear advantages.

If you're talking about merchant accounts, I have agree they are starting to look better every day, but only because the IPSP benefits seem to be diminishing. And merchant accounts have their pitfalls too.

I still would prefer the IPSP model, and would be willing to pay even more than the standard 15 percent, but only if I didn't have to worry about the following risks:

1) Paying for chargebacks and fines.
2) Getting reported to Visa and blacklisted if the IPSP mismanaged my chargebacks.
3) Getting lumped into a pool of webmasters who do have major chargeback problems and, even if I keep my account clean, suffering a Visa/Mastercard cutoff regardless.

Since you DO have to worry about all of this with an IPSP now, and you still have to pay upfront fees as you would with a merchant account --- you might as well roll the dice and try to have more control over your destiny.

HOWEVER, I do see big problems with merchant accounts too.

Look at Silvercash. Their bank cut their merchant account off without any warning. Once that news came out, tons of webmasters shared similar stories where their bank cut them off --- not because they had chargeback problems --- but simply because they were in adult.

Even if the bank knows you are in adult, a simple change in bank management can change that situation really quickly. So, a merchant account can be tough too.

But if you have to worry about and deal with all the hassles anyway, I'm starting to lean in that direction --- only because you would hopefully have a little more control over the situation. And you might save a little money.

Of course, if Visa and Mastercard cut off adult completely, then everybody's screwed --- regardless.

tony286 · 05-23-2003, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Look at Silvercash. Their bank cut their merchant account off without any warning.

Your mistaken it wasnt their merchant account it was their bank account. The benefit with your own merchant account is you know sooner if the ax is going to fall unlike a third party processor where you are told the last minute.

nevermind · 05-23-2003, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404

Your mistaken it wasnt their merchant account it was their bank account. The benefit with your own merchant account is you know sooner if the ax is going to fall unlike a third party processor where you are told the last minute.

Ok. I stand corrected. I thought it was one and the same. I'll try to correct that in my post.

BTW, How would you know sooner with a merchant account?

Nydahl · 05-23-2003, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AmatureTeenVideos
I have been usign http://www.2checkout.com for a year, and am fairly happy.
Anyone have any problems with them?

Kim
http://www.AmatureTeenVideos.com

they don't accept adult.We used them for 3 weeks as a back up solution in case of problem.Now we have frozen 1850 USD with them

12clicks · 05-23-2003, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Oh for fucks sake, you people drive me nuts.

I like the guys at WSB personally, but you know what?

From what I understood last fall, they, like some others that I surely don't even need to mention, chose the course of NOT DOING WHAT THE FUCK THEY WERE TOLD TO DO BY VISA.

But ohhhhhh,myyyy, all the fucking boohooing over $750 to register sites properly and be in compliance and how bad the Big Three or whatever you want to call them were for charging such a thing and registering people properly and staying in compliance with Visa...

I'm in complete and utter disbelief that it surprises anyone that a third party biller that was not in compliance with Visa to start with is now out of business.

That's what happens when Visa US is now in charge of compliance for Visa International too. All the people that thought they were going to get away with something are starting to figure out that shit ain't gonna fly and they will be put in a position where they have to do things for customers in order to try and stay ahead of the game that only put them even further into trouble in the end.

You want to be smart? Get with a compliant processor. That is the ONLY thing that is wise at the moment. There is a reason that big sites don't process on their own merchant accounts any more, they don't like the risk level against their own credit.

And thats the end of that rant.

I couldn't have said it better myself so I'll say it a different way

You stupid fucks who were too cheap to shell out the 750.00 to protect your BUSINESS are now wishing you did I bet. Keep on telling us how processor X is smarter than CCbill because you don't have to pay the 750.00 with them and tell us how processor Y is better than Jettis because they told Visa who was boss.

The faster you slipshot, half assed, fly-by-night, assholes are out of this business, the better off we'll all be.

YOUR BUSINESS IS ONLY AS STRONG AS YOUR PROCESSOR.

But hey, I'm sure most of you will run down to the other guy who isn't in compliance right now and we'll here the same boo hooing 3-6 months from now.

tony286 · 05-23-2003, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nevermind

Ok. I stand corrected. I thought it was one and the same.

How would you know sooner with a merchant account?

Because there are usually problems with the account before that happens. So the writing is on the wall. If you are not fucking up chances are they are not going to drop you and if they do the advantage is you get to take your customers with you. Unlike a third party where they are their customers not yours.

tony286 · 05-23-2003, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

I couldn't have said it better myself so I'll say it a different way

You stupid fucks who were too cheap to shell out the 750.00 to protect your BUSINESS are now wishing you did I bet. Keep on telling us how processor X is smarter than CCbill because you don't have to pay the 750.00 with them and tell us how processor Y is better than Jettis because they told Visa who was boss.

The faster you slipshot, half assed, fly-by-night, assholes are out of this business, the better off we'll all be.

YOUR BUSINESS IS ONLY AS STRONG AS YOUR PROCESSOR.

But hey, I'm sure most of you will run down to the other guy who isn't in compliance right now and we'll here the same boo hooing 3-6 months from now.

Well said 12 clicks

directfiesta · 05-23-2003, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nydahl

they don't accept adult.We used them for 3 weeks as a back up solution in case of problem.Now we have frozen 1850 USD with them

2checkout policies:

Quote:

The following products and services CANNOT be sold:

Online Subscription Pornography & Adult Subscription Content
Adult subscription services, chat, any pornography (pictures, videos, DVDs, magazines). Lingerie, Adult Toys and similar tangible products are acceptable however you will be required to provide extra business and personal information. Contact Risk Management for further information.

Pretty clear to me.... But I admit that I thought I saw about two monts ago that they were accepting ' adult videos and dvd's" ... Maybe I misread... or they changed their policy.

As a hint: always print the page of conditions when you sign on, so if they change it later you can always have a valid argument point. I had that with Paysystem and it got me most of my money ( just the holdback fund getting paid weekly...).

RedShoe · 05-23-2003, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cotsios

Were thinking to use you but you are very expensive.

I'll say this just once...

"YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!"
It's expensive, because it's bad ass!

nevermind · 05-23-2003, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404

Because there are usually problems with the account before that happens. So the writing is on the wall. If you are not fucking up chances are they are not going to drop you and if they do the advantage is you get to take your customers with you. Unlike a third party where they are their customers not yours.

I certainly agree with you on that.

The reason I was confused about the Silvercash situation is that I've known people who had both their regular as well as merchant accounts with the same bank. And those people had both accounts cut off either because they were in adult or, the bank knew they were in adult and changed their policy later on.

Anyway, sorry for the confusion.

Alex From San Diego · 05-23-2003, 09:11 AM

Oh well....I just look at it as a few thousand dollars right off....needed it anyway.....But for the good news, my day trading is up 22k....Got to love the stock market

nevermind · 05-23-2003, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Oh well....I just look at it as a few thousand dollars right off....needed it anyway.....But for the good news, my day trading is up 22k....Got to love the stock market

Betting on the stock market is probably LESS risky than betting on a processor these days ... LOL

nevermind · 05-23-2003, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

You stupid fucks who were too cheap to shell out the 750.00 to protect your BUSINESS are now wishing you did I bet. Keep on telling us how processor X is smarter than CCbill because you don't have to pay the 750.00 with them and tell us how processor Y is better than Jettis because they told Visa who was boss.

So true. I was very suspicious of those claims.

I did not go with Globill for this reason.

I wonder if Visa will crack down on them?

12clicks · 05-23-2003, 10:58 AM

Visa will crack down on everyone who doesn't jump thru their hoops. Period.
If you want to have visa collect money from your porn customers, you and your processor better be doing EVERYTHING visa says.

If more of you paid closer attention to what the business people here say and less to what the here today, gone tomorrow, in your face wanna be's say, you'd be better off.

Kimmykim · 05-23-2003, 11:33 AM

So right 12clicks. Trying to circumvent the rules in a situation where your money depends on following the rules is insanity at best.

WSB's lawsuit had very little impact on their business, I would guess. Some of their other business decisions had tremendous impact on things and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

It's a shame that Visa/MC has forced companies into doing things they normally wouldn't consider, in order to try and stay ahead of the numbers.

I don't think that all IPSPs do this, just a few that have gotten in over their heads with what looked to be a good idea at the time...

Master_Yoba · 05-23-2003, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

......
YOUR BUSINESS IS ONLY AS STRONG AS YOUR PROCESSOR.

..........

too simple

I don't believe that one newbie who deals with CCBill for example is stronger than CFF guys who processed with WSB

Kimmykim · 05-23-2003, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master_Yoba

too simple

I don't believe that one newbie who deals with CCBill for example is stronger than CFF guys who processed with WSB

Perhaps its your grasp of English but right now I think you'd be well suited to keep your fingers in your pockets.

You've stated that you want to have your customers initiate cb's against WSB, and quite frankly if I were other processors I'd be making note of your urls -- like teencoreclub.com -- and putting them on my blacklist. I don't care about your deals, what you have suggested is both against the terms of your agreement as well as completely ridiculous.

This comment I quoted makes no sense either.

Nothing personal, I'd just quit while I was ahead if I were you.

Steve Z. · 05-23-2003, 12:04 PM

If you are looking for a new processor that is very stable and does third-party billing, please call WorldWideBilling and ask for Steve @ 818/571-8602. No VISA registrations FEES.

gruffy · 05-23-2003, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SexySarah
can anyone in this thread actually spell?

Master_Yoba · 05-23-2003, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Perhaps its your grasp of English but right now I think you'd be well suited to keep your fingers in your pockets.

You've stated that you want to have your customers initiate cb's against WSB, and quite frankly if I were other processors I'd be making note of your urls -- like teencoreclub.com -- and putting them on my blacklist. I don't care about your deals, what you have suggested is both against the terms of your agreement as well as completely ridiculous.

This comment I quoted makes no sense either.

Nothing personal, I'd just quit while I was ahead if I were you.

relax Kimmy, I've just got a better solution http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...65#post1772065

I've already sent our request to IBill. I don't really want to ruin this industry

btw, you didn't answer me in other topics about the name of WSB and IBill European Acquiring Bank. All I heard here it just this bank is one of the largest banks in Europe and one of the last that was willing to work with Aggregators and "IPSP's"

Fletch XXX · 05-23-2003, 03:52 PM

i just tried logging into my stats to see exactly what they owe me, they have closed the account.

cant login.

hahaha

Kimmykim · 05-23-2003, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Z.
If you are looking for a new processor that is very stable and does third-party billing, please call WorldWideBilling and ask for Steve @ 818/571-8602. No VISA registrations FEES.

Hahahaha, here is a perfect example of the potential for foolishness. You try to tell webmasters they don't have to pay the registration fee, and that you are stable and doing third party.

First off, there is NO MORE THIRD PARTY. There are registered IPSPs and unregistered aggregators.

If you are so stable, why have we never heard of you except for your spams?

Yoba -- it is not my place to comment on what banks WSB or anyone else is using, but I will make the occasional piece of advice when someone says something that is potentially going to cost them their cc processing.

12clicks · 05-23-2003, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master_Yoba

too simple

I don't believe that one newbie who deals with CCBill for example is stronger than CFF guys who processed with WSB

I tried to keep it simple so you could understand and still you couldn't grasp it.
build the best program in the industry and build it on a processor that tells you not to worry about visa regs. and in the end you'll have nothing.

NETbilling · 05-23-2003, 08:37 PM

Hi All,

Sorry about the WSB problems and any of you who lost $$$. I know they worked hard for years to have a successful processing company.

We received several phone and email inquiries today so here goes...

Like Ibill, we can certainly import all card and rebilling data into our system as we did when DMR and Digiblaze went under. We have a standard import format. If anyone is interested, let me know and we will work it out and waive the Netbilling setup fee as well.

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

Mitch
ICQ#117496436

Buitre · 05-23-2003, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greentea

I think you guys should the take the initiative and pay all CFF webmasters who are owed money from websitebilling out of your pocket.

That would really show some class, i don't have any problems with CFF, i just know there a lot of people burned through websitebilling.

Can someone list all the partnerships that used websitebilling, I have so many sponsors I really don't know if any of my sponsors use them.

Jay_StandAhead · 05-23-2003, 08:54 PM

Master_Yoba · 05-24-2003, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling
Hi All,

Sorry about the WSB problems and any of you who lost $$$. I know they worked hard for years to have a successful processing company.

We received several phone and email inquiries today so here goes...

Like Ibill, we can certainly import all card and rebilling data into our system as we did when DMR and Digiblaze went under. We have a standard import format. If anyone is interested, let me know and we will work it out and waive the Netbilling setup fee as well.

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

Mitch

ICQ#117496436

Mitch, are you talking about merchant account?

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,788	Visa will crack down on everyone who doesn't jump thru their hoops. Period. If you want to have visa collect money from your porn customers, you and your processor better be doing EVERYTHING visa says. If more of you paid closer attention to what the business people here say and less to what the here today, gone tomorrow, in your face wanna be's say, you'd be better off. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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Validus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 4,012	This is unfortunate news. At times like this we can see the clear benefits of operating our own private billing company which comes with clear advantages. I would like to wish the best of luck to the WSB crew and all its clients.

05-23-2003, 07:06 AM	#171
http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	I think 2checkout does adult videos & toys but not memberships

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05-23-2003, 11:33 AM	#188
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	So right 12clicks. Trying to circumvent the rules in a situation where your money depends on following the rules is insanity at best. WSB's lawsuit had very little impact on their business, I would guess. Some of their other business decisions had tremendous impact on things and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It's a shame that Visa/MC has forced companies into doing things they normally wouldn't consider, in order to try and stay ahead of the numbers. I don't think that all IPSPs do this, just a few that have gotten in over their heads with what looked to be a good idea at the time...

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Steve Z. Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: n/a Posts: 32	If you are looking for a new processor that is very stable and does third-party billing, please call WorldWideBilling and ask for Steve @ 818/571-8602. No VISA registrations FEES.

05-23-2003, 08:37 PM	#197
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,583	Hi All, Sorry about the WSB problems and any of you who lost $$$. I know they worked hard for years to have a successful processing company. We received several phone and email inquiries today so here goes... Like Ibill, we can certainly import all card and rebilling data into our system as we did when DMR and Digiblaze went under. We have a standard import format. If anyone is interested, let me know and we will work it out and waive the Netbilling setup fee as well. Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166 Outside the US: (661)252-2456 Mitch ICQ#117496436 __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

05-23-2003, 08:54 PM	#199
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