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Last Updated: Wednesday 26 January 2005 at 5:28 PM U.S. Eastern Time

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Payout Update 01/26/05
EU Payout Update
As previously stated, we have established a relationship with Credit Suisse and we are moving forward with the steps necessary to complete the process of setting up a bank account. Please be assured that we have every intention of paying our clients as soon as the Credit Suisse account is setup and the funds are received from our European processor. Please check back on Wednesday February 2, 2005, for another update.

US Payout Update
At this time we are not in a position to provide a date on outstanding US Payouts. As soon as we have more information an update will be provided. Again, we have every intention of paying our clients.


WTF..where does out 80% of the money they take in go . <please dont answer that >

Boss Traffic Jim

The lies they tell are now getting longer and longer apart.

Webby

DEA:

Best not to ask these awkward questions DEA :-)

The term "felony fraud" comes to mind - I dunno why tho....

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tonkagunner

bankrupcy isn't so bad, Just ask Trump.

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Webby

Hi iBill Hope you monitor the boards and see this - sure ya do, I know you do!

Just bumping this thread cos I depise liars, scammers and thieves ....

And here is an ongoing iBill scenario...

http://www.oregonherald.com/home.htm?m=ibill



BTW... Are there any webmasters who have

(1) had checks from iBill, with a value in excess of $100 (na, less ain't worth the effort!) which have been returned by your bank because of insufficent funds?

(2) had wire transfers from iBill not delivered to your bank?

(3) been told of payments made by iBill where that payment did not materialize in whatever form?

(4) been advised by iBill that they will cease paying the 10% of funds held because you have terminated your iBill account thru their inability to pay under the terms of your contract with them.

I've got this list of .. about 20 webmasters where one or more of these four items apply. Any more that can increase this list??

There is a point to this and not just casual curiosity :-)

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imageman

Ibill just doesn't give a shit. They already have your money what else do they need to do take from you, your first born before people realize what the fuck is going on ?

chupacabra

heh, i can think of at least one user here who would need to lose their first born to believe it..

Webby

The name of the game is not sitting waiting on a magical day iBill may become "uncrooked" and dispense all webmasters with all funds and some extra interest as a gift, but more towards:

1) Recovery of ALL funds owing - tho this is remote, but can be partially achieved using alternative options.

2) Pressing for appropriate action from other organizations to ensure that an investigation is opened into iBill from the time prior to the sale to PHSL.

Currently the previous owners are not talking for fear they will be served. They need serving with some papers along with Luis Molina and Jason Galanis - tho there are around 20-30 more in the queue, some of whom are already under investigation (some of these investigations are not specifically iBill related - yet).

I know very little about the background of iBill, there is bound to be a LOT more, - that usually is the case with people like Galanis, - but I sure as hell know there are more than adequate grounds for an investigation into possible criminal activity and several violations of corporate laws.

Least for me and a number of other webmasters, it's not about retrieving dollars, tho that would be nice. It's about fraud and lying on the part of iBill and a settlement time - in one form or other - with those responsible.

That may take some years yet, but the patience end is the easy bit.

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keyboard warrior

"we are moving forward"
"we have every intention of paying our clients"

"we are moving forward"
"we have every intention of paying our clients"

"we are moving forward"
"we have every intention of paying our clients"

"we are moving forward"
"we have every intention of paying our clients"

"we are moving forward"
"we have every intention of paying our clients"

"we are moving forward"
"we have every intention of paying our clients"

"we are moving forward"
"we have every intention of paying our clients"

"we are moving forward"
"we have every intention of paying our clients"

"we are moving forward"
"we have every intention of paying our clients"

"we are moving forward"
"we have every intention of paying our clients"


Been hearing it for some time now.....

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Webby

I can't hear ya!! What was that you were saying kw??


Yeah... it's all full of "intentions", "progress" and loads of "if's", "when's" and "but's". If there is any fact, that is that they promise another update, - tho that can't be guaranteed much longer.

There are loads of cases of felony fraud where the perp stated how they had "every intention of paying". What else can ya say?? :-)

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imageman

There used to be two but one of them STFU and started legal action

Webby

BTW... On all of this "moving forward" and "intention" shit....

This is how much they value their own statements on "moving forward"...


They disclaim em!

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Paco, of Large Cash.

a side from recurring/rebills ... does anyone even use them for new joins?

Webby

I know of some folks who do. There is a reason for this - it's not the value of the odd signups they are bothering about, - more a judgement on other stuff which will probably be made in February.

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directfiesta

NO !

and will cancel rebills as of 02/15 if nothing changes.

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But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

Ludedude

Webby, I'm not a webmaster with iBill, just a revshare partner who has thousands of dollars in rebills gone down the toilet.

I never received their promised magic Jan 5th revshare check for a measly few hundred dollars (since they conveniently ignored the thousands they didn't pay since they ate a dick).

If I don't "fit the profile" that's cool. If you want to talk, shoot me an ICQ 536 18 488

xclusive

is this really shocking to anybody?

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Webby

Nope.



Hitting you up Ludedude!

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tony286

They promised to pay on a date they cant make that date .You accuse them of lying and everyone crys how they want the truth. They give you the truth we dont know when we can pay you and everyone complains. lol

Webby

It's past all that Tony.

It is also not just a matter of a company having financial problems - few can moan when a biz does have problems. Any biz either goes up or down - it's the risk with trading with anyone.

iBill is a business trading fraudently. I'm not saying that lightly.

It is a business where the management gave instructions to staff to behave in a... certain way towards clients which demonstrates a lot.

It is a business controlled by principals who are incompetent/unfit and already in violation of corporate law.

It is a business that a judge has already made a ruling on, specifically that, "all of iBill's problems are of their own making".

It is a business where the full truth is 99% deficient - some call that lying.

There is loads more.. but what the hell :-)

It is all up to others to decide what action they care to take and eventually a jury to throw back a verdict.



PS I ain't "attacking" iBill staff /reps - they know exactly what the situation is and don't like it - some of em are very honest.

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Webby

IBD and PHSL make good sleeping partners...

IBD have plenty happy investors - much in line with iBill's 1000's of happy webmasters..

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=IBD&...=28&f=2005&g=m

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Sly

You have to be the one remaining iBill fan.

How much money are you potentially losing while sitting there hoping you get paid?

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Paul Markham

When I was looking for a new processor I looked hard at IBILL, even though their history was not good.

I then looked at who had bought IBILL and joined CCBILL and My Virtual Card. Got to be honest when the son of a felon, who was involved with the company his Father robbed takes over control of a compnay handling my money, I get my arse out of there so fast.

I feel for you guys, but Galanis is not the type of man to run anything where taking other peoples money is involved. The bank dealing with IBILL probably saw it right away and walked.

Those who were with IBILL and did not quietly slip out the back door have only themselves to blame. I am adopting this stance as a warning to anyone else.

We were with Multicards in Holland, one month a payment was late so I phoned up to find out why. When told by the boss, "The girl that deals with payments is on holiday" I signed up to another processor.

For the future select a processor the same way you select your bank.

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SGS

If we were with IBill that little quote just there would be a real worry...

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Jade

I too am owed a lot of money by ibill. What a ridiculous company.

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Tipsy

The sad thing is that really should be blindingly obvious. But then adult is still one of the few areas left where you don't always need good business skills to make money. Some of the people 'defending' iBill through this have more than proven that. That's slowly changing and those that will still be around in 5, 10, 15 years time will be the ones with good business skills and a good dollop of common sense.

The people I feel for more than anyone are many of the smaller guys, often just affiliates. Some of these people often depend primarily on a single revenue source and were hit hard. Yep, the writing had been on the wall in huge letters for ages and people chose to ignore it. However for many of the smaller guys, especially affiliates, it would have been far less clear and the hit was probably totally unexpected for them.

It certainly now looks like (and let's be honest has for a very, very long while) that the best any of them can hope for is a small % of their money back and those resposible to be held accountable. Only time will tell if either happens.

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363R

As a former employee of iBill, it makes me wonder if they have you on their payroll You have more confidence than the 15 or so employees that have picked up and left within the past month in a half.

Seriously, if you only knew I understand you want to get your money, but the chances are slim to none. Sure they will throw you a bone every once in a while.

Good Luck

NetRodent

For what its worth:

We recently spoke to a certain person at iBill of some authority. During the course of the conversation we were told of a significant event concerning iBill that will likely happen next week. If this event actually happens, it would be just about the best news we could get out of iBill other than notification of payment in full.

Seeing as iBill has not made this information public, I don't feel its my place to say anything specific about it. I'd hate to put my source in a bad place. Also, given iBill's recent history, I have a hard time believing anything I hear from iBill. If it pans out, I'd give this source much more credibility than (s)he currently has. If it doesn't pan out, I'd hate to have contributed to iBill's misinformation campaign.

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Der Schleicher

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Mr Dickovitch

So next week they will declare bankruptcy? About fucking time.

DeadFidel

In October I had hope and bought their lies..put up Gkard.
In only took me that "prerecorded" conference call to switch processors.
This is what I do since they still owe me 30k plus. Twice a week I switch join button links for a couple of hours and monitor 2-3 joins, then switch right back.
40 bucks is not going to make or break me and I am fucking them in the ass as they are doing to us. Meanwhile the "token" deposits of 4-5k makes up for the 10 minutes I spend.
Fuck you ibill!!! Oh and thanks for the brand new Toshiba laptop your fuck up triggered.

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NetRodent

Actually that would be just about the worst thing that could happen. Try again.

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Gottis

I have my fingers crossed man, I hope they get through this mess. They owe me a lot of cash that I'd like to see one day.

directfiesta

merge ????

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But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

Webby

Cummon NetRodent!!

You spoke with a "certain person at iBill of some authority"??

Man.. All staff including persons with *some* authority have been conned as well as webmasters and iBill creditors.

They have also been instructed to do shit they would also not normally do or have any desire to do. A few of em find this one pathetic embarassing non-joke - they are hearing of the problems of webmasters and ain't too happy about their role - especially when they have to respond with lies.

iBill is a biz operated very close to the chests of a rare few and behind closed doors. There is more than the normal reason for this.

Nothing that is produced, either verbally or in writing by iBill managment has nada credence whatsoever. They cannot be trusted and have proven this in many ways now - some of this has been demonstrated publically, others in dealings with clients/webmasters.

Unless some generous benefactor walks along with around $30mill and donates this, - cos he sure as hell ain't going to get it back - there is nothing that can be said to be "forward looking" about iBill. They fucked it themselves and the individuals will be accountable, irrespective of the existance of iBill.

BTW.. That refererence in your conversation *may* have been the completion of the deal with IBD which alledgedly took place last Friday. However, there is nothing good in that for anyone - just more problems - but maybe less lies, who knows?

Personally... I really do not give one fuck about this lying fraudulent corp and their "intentions to pay". I've only met two people in my life who seriously needed jailing - both are now in jail. I think I've met the next mob who need to explain some events to relevant authorities, else they need to go the same way. Hate to say it, but I smell this time will come in the iBill saga.

Ever wonder how the fuck it is permissable in law to allow individuals with the background of Galanis/Molina blah to buy a corp like iBill which is handling the funds of others? It's like letting em buy a bank to fuck the clients.

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Boss Traffic Jim

What you were told was another crock of shit most likely. The bottom line is the next big ibill news is the filing of bankruptcy imho

Shoplifter

I've heard probably what you are talking about as well. It would obviously be good news, but when you consider that they are receiving revenues (particularily from EU clients) already it is difficult to understand why it matters.

So those of us who are faithful (or have our feet nailed to the deck) will wait another week. But if this doesn't pan out it's going to take more than faith.

imageman

After read various so called news story's about the Ibill purchase i find so many holes in the reports and information left out so that Ibill appears clean cut and wholesome. Notice how there is no talk of Adult online processing in the story below. Instead they talk of video stores and shit like that. What happened to the fact that the adult business made Ibill all the millions that they spent stole or squandered... Guess we are just too insignificant to worry about?

Webby

There is definately a load of shit being talked by PHSL principals. Molina in particular likes some "expansive possibilites". I've heard so much shit on his ideas - tho some may be viable. The truth is unlikely to show :-)

The other side is.. what would you do when you got a load of "associates" (IBD is now in bed with em) and need to raise the confidence level in attempts to raise cash and desperately need bankers who will accept em??? :-) You don't talk "adult" for a start :-)

Some of these "plans" are leftovers from Penthouse. Bob is a nice guy but hell.. he really is not a businessman. It took decades of decline in Penthouse world before the company folded and he never really acted much over these decades to cut the cancer out. Penthouse tried diversifing into everything that came into their head each day, - casinos, film production blah - and failed miserably.

Video stores are a typical old Penthouse idea - another is some credit card to enable Mexicans to send money back home and capture Western Union's business blah (That's one of Molina's thoughts). All crap, cos it's based on nothing or in some instances, just ego :-)

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imageman

To be honest if it was my company starting a new banking relations or being purchased by another company i would 100% declare my involvement in the adult world. I mean why start out lying, isn't that what we are all so pissed off about. Ibill has been lying or misleading webmasters for at least 3+ years now this "ADULT "cover up only goes to prove Ibill has not changed, if they can lie to the market they sure as hell will lie to us. As for Bob, he had cancer last time i heard and so i can understand him not being committed to Penthouse 100% I only hope he pulls through as he was indeed a fine person and produced a great product.

Rui

The current state of processing for the adult industry is scary to say the least, there is very little competition and VISA seems to be going berzerk ;( ad to that cheating scumbags like ibill and adult webmasters get seriously fucked in the as.. ;(

keyboard warrior

"we are moving forward"

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Fletch XXX

even i am going to be losing a few k on this one.

possible more as far as recurring has been good with a few sponsors that used ibill.

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Webby

I totally agree with that!!! I like "upfront" and defined on paper - means ya can sue if they fuck up.

If some bank don't like something - fuck em - there are plenty more.

This is.. assuming we are "normal" people and don't have the baggage PHSL/iBill are carrying around.

The problem with PHSL/iBill is word has already spread around on em. It's not going to be easy for them to get decent banking, partly because of the background of some of the individuals in control.

Simple example... I got a friend who is ... forget, think Vice President of a merchant bank within the EU. We were chatting about iBill and I showed her the "CMI updates" and she was already aware of PHSL. The comments on the updates about "Credit Suisse" were "Crap!" :-) (That's informal banking terminology! *s*). The other isssue is... "What is wrong with a company that has have been rejected by 4 banks recently and keep doing the circuit trying to find more?" She basically said she would not dream of touching iBill as a client - and she is not alone!

So... I'm damned if I can see how iBill/PHSL/IBD are going to set up any banking relationship - the track record has been kinda fucked.

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Webby

imageman:

Shit.. missed that part about Bob! I never knew he has/had cancer.

Hell.. he is a nice guy and if he still has this problem, hope he pulls thru that and spends a long time yet with those near to him.

I'm actually pleased he never wanted to work with Molina blah. He would not be doing himself any favors and anyway, it's time he had a rest from all that shit. He has done some interesting shit in his career :-)

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Gottis

Webby - for somebody that "do not give one fuck about this lying fraudulent corp and their "intentions to pay", you sure do write a lot on the subject.

Webby

Bluntly... I hate fucking liars who defraud people and if it comes out on top that this is actually the case - I don't care much about costs - I wanna see the assholes stuffed in jail.

The reason I may write a lot is cos there just happens to be a bit of info flowing around and, if this all stands up, (elements already do), they need a jail term :-)

I've lost track now.. but over a number of years on the net I've lost around $450+K in scamming corps and I ain't gonna let one other pass by without full disclosure. If it appears rational and reasonable after all the shit is collated that something needs done - I'm not stopping.

The easy part in the iBill instance is all of the operation is within the US - apart from some Mexican association - it makes it all the more viable working within one jurisdiction.

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keyboard warrior

Ibill did a bunch of rebills today - advanced ones.

wonder what's up ?

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