hjnet

Hi everybody, I?m working as a gallery submitter now since ~5 years, and during the last years I also started to run updates.advancedsubmitter.com and PartnerRequester.com, so I hope to know a bit about this area of the adult business

I always wanted to write a Tutorial about gallery submitting, and since I?ve recently hired a full-time employee I thought this might be the right moment to just write down what I had to teach him, and to use it as a guide for other beginners too. Since it would take to much time to go into every detail about TGP (Thumbnail Gallery Post) and MGP (Movie Gallery Post) submitting, I?ll start with a rather basic Tutorial.
Please let me know if I?ve forgotten about anything, or if you have any questions, I?m available at ICQ 344688791 or tutorial(at)adultsponsortest.com

Step 1: Choosing the right Sponsor
Obviously before you can start your work you?d have to choose a good sponsor. Spend at least 1 day for your research, and try to find a Sponsor that?s not overused. I personally don?t care much about the payout, as long as it?s reasonable, I focus more on the quality of free content they can provide, cause that?s important to get our galleries listed, and that will be the most important factor to get sales. When I?m looking for a new sponsor I just visit the bigger TGPs and MGPs (sextracker.com), and look around what they?ve listed right now. Most big sites sell their top spots, and since the webmasters that buy these spots want to get a good ROI it?s very likely that the actual site they?re promoting converts well, so that?s a very good start to pre-select. After you?ve found a few good sponsors, take a look at their top sites, and try to estimate if they?re actually overpromoted (alexa.com). If you select a sponsor with ton?s of free hosted galleries you?ll not get listed very often, since every TGP/MGP would just list the FHGs with their own linking code. So we?re looking for a sponsor with good content, that?s not overpromoted (i.e. lower alexa rank) and without FHGs that everybody and his mother uses. Please also take your time for this research, that can easily take up to 1 workday.

Step 2: Hosting
Only go with paid hosting, and if possible with your own dedicated server since virtual accounts would get too expensive rather soon. To start I?d say a dedicated server with ~1000GB data transfer/month should be enough for the first months, as you?ll need some time to get started anyway. At best your hosting plan should be expandable, as you?ll need more bandwidth after a few months. Something like that is available for $100 per month or even less these days. Just ask on the WM Boards and you?ll get some offers.

Step 3: Domains
The domain for galleries isn?t so important at all IMHO, it doesn?t hurt if it suit?s to the niche of your galleries content somehow, and you should be able to use an email like webmaster(at)yourdomain.com

Step 4: Stats Program
Many people underestimate the value of a good stats program, at best use a webserver based stats program (like urchin.com), a image counter like sextracker.com should only be a temp. solution since it?ll never be as accurate as a counter with access to your server logs, and that?s especially important if you want to dig a bit into SEO (Search Engine Optimisation) later on.

Step 5: Build your galleries
I?m not a designer, so I?ve never given too much about fancy graphics on my galleries, it?s more important to have good content IMHO. Before you start you?d have to select a Picture or Movie Set. At best choose one with a girl (or guy) that?s actually featured on the front page of the paysite you?re promoting. Many people click through to the actual gallery because they want to see more of that content, so you should give them a bit more on the main page, and hope that they wipe out their credit card to see even more inside the members area.
For a TGP gallery I?m always using 16 Thumbs, the fullsize pictures should have between 40-100kb, and should have at least 600 pix on the short side. For MGP galleries the common standard is 3 Movies, with ~20sec runtime each, and ~1.5-3MB Filesize. You can also use 4 or 5 Movies, that will actually give you the chance to submit to more sites, and doesn?t have a too big effect on your bandwidth bill, since most surfers only download 1-2 Movies anyway.
The actual thumbnails on your gallery should be as good as possible, don?t use any automated tool to create them, make them by hand in Photoshop, crop them to at least 100 pix on the short side (better more), and adjust their colour balance, and brightness.
Take care that the general layout of your gallery looks clean, don?t mix up landscape and portrait format, if you have to, do it in a way that it actually suits the gallery layout.
And I never use more than 2 outgoing links to my Sponsor, cause some sites have a very harsh limit upon these, and if your content is good enough the surfer will look for a way to get more anyway, you can?t force him to signup with more or blind links.
As links I personally always use text links, try to talk directly to the surfer, and tell him why the site you?re promoting is the one he should signup for. If you can?t come up with a good reason you should choose another Site to promote Stay away from banners, cause most galleries look rather crappy with them.
A 2257 link would be also good for your galleries, I?m not from the US either, but it doesn?t hurt, and many site owners require it.
I also put lot?s of SEO work into my galleries, although a gallery is pretty much the worst thing to optimise for Search Engines it pays of, and I get ~30% of my long term sales from SE Traffic. But how to do that would be enough to write for a separate Tutorial.

To be continued...

hjnet

Step 6: Preview Thumbnails
I?ve made a separate explanation for these, since I think preview thumbnails are more important than many submitters might know. At first preview thumbs are required for so called ?Thumb TGPs? or ?Thumb MGPs? (madthumbs.com). As you can see almost all of these sites trade traffic with each other, that means that they need a good overall productivity (number of clicks per visitor) on their sites. To get that high productivity these sites would need good thumbs, that means for us submitters, the better we make our preview thumbs, the more likely it?s to get listed at these sites.
So don?t make your preview thumbs with any automated tool, make them by hand, and make them with a program like Photoshop. Adjust brightness, colour balance and sharpness if required.

Step 7: Submission Tools
If you?re absolutely new to gallery submitting, stay away from any tools at the beginning, just start with good old manual work to learn everything. A while ago I?ve built a list for handsubmission at AdultSponsorTest.com, you can use that one to get started, although it?s a bit outdated by now
Just use 3 Recips per gallery and submit away. If possible use an email like webmaster(at)yourdomain.com, you?ll need that later on anyway. When you get used a bit more to the very basics, you can start using a submission tool like AdvancedSubmitter.com, you should only use it as a manual submission tool, that means only to create your mirror galleries with Recips, and to fill the submission forms. When you?re also used to that tool, the next logical step would be to expand your existing submission list with either the TGP Database or the MGP Database I?ve built. In the end you should be able to submit a TGP and a MGP Gallery per day, but at first I?ll have to show you how to get started with them.

Step 8: Different ways to get listed
Before I can continue here I?d have to explain what kind of different TGPs and MGPs are existing.

-At first there are the ones that accept your submission for free and without any limitations. That means you (and ~5000 other submitters) can submit their galleries to them completely for free. After a review the site owner might decide to list your work, or to not list it. Obviously the competition there is rather big, so you?ll not get listed very often, and the number of these sites keeps declining too. So at max. you?ll be able to get ~10-15k uniques per day from these sites. But considering that an average gallery should be able to make a sale every 20-40k uniques it?s a start. That would mean ~$200-250 per month for the beginning. You?ll remain at that stage for the first 1-2 months.

-The second group is more important. Many sites pre-select their submitters, that means you?d have to contact them, or send in an application with your name, nickname, email, some sample galleries and a short story about yourself. If your application was good enough you?ll be granted with a Partner Account for that Site. This Partner Account enables you to submit with less competition, which means that you?ll get listed more often. And those Sites are bigger than the ones from the first group too, so with a reasonable number of Partner Accounts (150+) you?ll get ~70-150k uniques per day. And since your galleries should also convert a bit better meanwhile I?d say that would be ~$2-$4.5k per month.
Since there are more and more sites out there that require a Partner Account I?ve developed PartnerRequester.com a while ago, that tool gives you a ready to go list with ~1200 Sites, so you wouldn?t have to built/maintain that list yourself. You should also consider that it takes a long time to went through this stage, so if you?re completely new to gallery submitting it will take you at least 1 year from now until you?ll reach these traffic levels.

-The third group contains sites that require a payment or a fee to get either a paid partner account, or a paid gallery spot. These sites are obviously the biggest ones, but many of them give a rather small ROI, so you?d have to know what you?re doing. If you?re able to make use of lot?s of these sites you?ll be able to get 300k+ uniques per day, but take care of your overhead costs. Consider that it takes a lot of work to get there, and at least 2 years of experience and networking.

Step 9: Submitting
Now after I?ve explained the different ways to get listed I?d like to explain how to continue with submitting. Meanwhile you should be familiar with AdvancedSubmitter, and if you?re using my DBs you?ll start to submit to the sites from the first group I?ve mentioned. It takes a while until traffic builds up, so just keep submitting, and don?t draw any conclusions until the first month is over. As soon as you have a few samples of your work, signup with PartnerRequester.com and start applying for Partner Accounts. You can also always drop me a message at ICQ#344688791 or tutorial(at)adultsponsortest.com with samples of your work. I?d review them and give you a few hints before you actually start applying. Add your new partner Accounts to your actual submission List ASAP, and after a month or so start to remove those sites from your list that never list you.
Always follow the site rules perfectly, that means correct descriptions, correct preview thumbs, correct Category, etc.

Step 10: Things to think about!
-Always keep in mind that you?re competing with ~5000 other submitters, that means to get good results you?d need to be better than at least 90% of them. So average work isn?t enough, if you want to belong to the top 10% earners, you?d have to deliver top 10% quality.

-Try to do some networking on the boards, many site owners only give away partner accounts on WM Boards, so don?t be shy.

-Never get lazy, the harder it is to get listed at a specific site, the harder it is for others too, which means that you have better chances to get listed if you comply with the sites requirements.

-Don?t get mad about a specific site or webmaster, it?ll happen quite often that you?ll have to bend over. Get over it and see it as a business expense.

Finally I hope my little Tutorial is helpful, if anybody wants to ask me some questions, hit me up on ICQ 344688791 or tutorials(at)adultsponsortest.com. Or just reply in this thread.

I?ve also put up the same Tutorial at http://www.partnerrequester.com/gallery_submitting_tutorial.htm if somebody wants to bookmark it.

Oracle Porn

if you knew how to be a good submiter you wouldn't need to have a full time job like you have.... just my 2 cents.

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opulence

He said he hired a full time employee, not that he has a normal full time day job.

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polish_aristocrat

what makes you think he has a full time job?

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who

I just tried it all and i'm still poor. Any tips?

Holly

You should link this to lil2rich's "How to make a 300k tgp in 10 days"

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hjnet

Right, that's why I don't have one

polish_aristocrat

actually i tried it too without much success, but then again im too lazy to work few hours daily regularly on same thing

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who

Done.

And I mean DONE!!!

who

This is all we really need in life.

luv$

Maybe you should check out how to grow your TGP after you get gallery submitting down.

Seriously, though GREAT POST!

Great work hjnet! Excellent read for sure. Thank you for taking the time to write this out.

If Halcyon was still doing the "flash of fucking brilliance" deal, this thread should get it.

Definate props hjnet, for sure

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Sosa

Not bad at all. Excpect 1000 new submitters after reading this.

hjnet

At least they'll be good submitters then.

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D'oh!


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luv$

I think anyone who submits after reading this was going to do it anyway. At least this way they'll see how much work it actually takes and do a better job or not do it at all.

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Tom_PM

So is it your opinion that TGP/MGP submitters should rely 100% on free sponsor content?
You NEVER buy content?

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hjnet

I still consider gallery submitting as the ideal thing for a newbie to start with, it requires next to no upfront investments, and the only thing you could loose is time.
And when you suceed as a gallery submitter you'd have learnd enough to move on to other ventures.

hjnet

I very seldom buy content, it's more important IMHO to use content/sets that are also featured on the paysite itself. I only buy content if I can't get that.

dij

that's a very interesting point, specially for reality sites.
You can end up with promoting content that is totally different than what paysite offers, but then again there is saturation part which is a big factor when getting listed.

TheJimmy

Naa, they're all busy making 1000 copies of a movie file to put on the p2p interwebs lol!

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Sounds good man. Good luck selling your DB ;)

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very usefull tutorial....

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Tom_PM

I'd only rely on free content if a site was a home grown or exclusive type site, or shot it themselves.

You know nearly every day I get people asking me for a members pass "So I can download content", and every day I tell them that the free content we have is in the free content section, and not only is there no affiliate-use license for the members area content, but we dont intend to give away every stitch of content leaving no reason to join the paysite..

In general, people need to ween themselves off of free content IMHO, not use it more than ever! Go to the next level already. Get on a content deal from a shooter/provider and you'll see more conversions from that vast majority of repeat surfers who've seen it all before.

Try using a free content pic in a custom gallery header or graphic element to get the flow from gallery to tour, instead of relying on the same 10 sets that everyone and their dog has used for the last year.

I really think that if people find themselves in a rut on conversions, try some fresh content. Because if you join a program today, chances are that every single piece of content has been used multiple times already on every TGP and MGP and Link List on the 'net already. USE it, but dont RELY on it is what I'm saying.

Also, this is why I tell people who ask me about it, to choose content FIRST, then find a site that fits well with the content, not the other way around. You dont want to jam a square peg into a round hole. Shop for content and be thinking what site it might work well with. You dont have to promise on every page "see more of this model inside paysite", but "see more like this" is acceptable and not misleading.

Anyway sorry to ramble on in your thread. I just think that if more people get back to buying content, that they'd see conversions and listings get better. Nobody wants a surfer to click and say "saw that 5 times yesterday" and click back.

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rip raster

I thought there was no money in submitting

hjnet

Promote new reality sites, they are popping up everywhere lately

who

Yeah, you're right! We should petition someone...

hjnet

I agree, I'd (and have) also buy content if the site I'd like to promote is very unique. But I'm also sure that 99% of webmasters can't tell if a content set is bought, or if it's free sponsor content, so I don't think that surfers care too much about it. You'd just have to take care which affiliate programs you#re using (fresh ones) and what kind of content.

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opulence

where are the klikrevenue d00ds?

they respond in every thread except the one that could possibly help them upgrade from just being sigwhores...


Thanks for the post by the way

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Great post

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Tom_PM

You lost me on every single point in your reply ;)

So only use small new sponsors..

Reviewers cant tell if they've seen content before.. (they rubber stamp everything submitted?)

Surfers cant tell if they've seen content before, and also dont care much about the content.. (they're there for the ads?)



I think if you employed some new thinking you could make the jump from $3k a month to $6k. Respectfully.

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AmateurFlix

nonsense... the easiest way to make $3k per month doing gallery submissions is to start by making $6k per month then start buying submit passes

good post though

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Top notch post. Thanks Hjnet!

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Gallery submitting has definitely become a full-time job in and of itself.

Back in oh, say 2000 to 2004 or so I could bang out a gallery in the morning, hand submit it (for free) to 50-60 TGPs well before noon, and see it get 50-250k uniques to it for 1-3 days, and make 5-15 sales off it.

But I got into other areas of the business and eventually my submitting mostly dropped by the wayside. Only so many hours in the day and I tent to prioritize where my time is spent.

Recently I added up the partner account fees of several of the tgp's that were on my old submit list from back then and it was close to $1000 bucks a month just for the privilege of submitting to them.

Times have sure changed.

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pretty useful stuff.

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stev0

I agree with you to an extent... but I use pretty much all sponsor content now. With the reality type niche's out now, it makes alot more sense to promote it with reality content that is also featured on those sites.

I've also bought over $30k worth of content, but I use that on my own sites. If i'm promoting your program and making 50% return, why should I use my content that isn't even featured on your site when other programs will give it away for free and it's more targetted?

Tom_PM

Then maybe sponsors should consider offering licenses for sale to affiliates, then they can just download the entire members areas They want to anyway. Those licenses aren't cheap.

Using this method, if an affiliate of mine asks me why their ratio is climbing, my answer should be time to find the sponsor-of-the-week and join them like everyone else, and I dont accept that. Sometimes it's good to invest in a business rather than always expect more for free.

When I see sponsors not only allowing all of their content to go out on the web for free, unprotected, but even submitting their galleries for them. I have to ask why not hire 10 or 20 minimum wage people to run auto-submitters for 8 hours a day and close down the affiliate side.

Like you say, why not keep all of your bought content for your own site and just promote your own site with it? Will it be long before everyone does that? It's not so far-fetched and the slope only gets steeper.

Thats why the constant lean towards more more more for free concerns me as an affiliate.

As an affiliate rep, I'm happy to request more content when the free stuff is running low on freshness. But as an affiliate I know I'm not going to rely on it and then just pull up stakes everytime the sales slow down and move on to some other already bare pasture.

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dissipate

Great post, i'm glad to finally see some business threads. I agree with pretty much everything you said about submitting. I've honestly never bought extra content to use in my galleries - but im thinking it could get very expensive very quickly.

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detoxed

Its acceptable and not misleading... but a surfer wont like it when that exact set or anything close in terms of the quality/style content used may not even be in the members area.

FreeHugeMovies

A few more suggestions:

A: SEO your galleries with page titles, metas, text and ALT tags.

B: When submitting don't use an average name like Bob, Ryan, Michael etc etc. The reason being, once a webmaster recognizes your name over and over again, he will be more likely to accept your galleries.

C: Create your own TGP and MGP. This allows you to network and maybe trade Pas. Send all your 404 traffic here to help build your sites. You donhahaha8217;t have to spend hours on your site, but having one does open doors to other site owners.

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As being a newbie in the adult industry i found this article really helpful.
Thx

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