Originally Posted by Deej

lie #1 Jim owes me money from a loan and he states here in public that i never loaned him money.



I gave you money because you came to ME, asking for it. For what I dont know. Dosnt matter




Lie#2 Jim states that he never sent an invoice and better yet that i never gave him one.

This is how the story goes...

Jim contacted me for design work on a few sites. Jim asked for low pricing due to bulk and ongoing work.

6 different sites

68 Banners
12 HPA
12 FPA
9 pic galleries
8 movie galleries

109 pieces total

I quoted him 1350, less than 13 a piece, very competitive if you ask me.

I sent in some banners, they were not sufficient.









They didnt like these, so I asked to trya nother site.



I was told this one they liked due to contrasting colors.

Then I made a gallery.



I was told this was no good either. After i modified it a couple times to see if they would like it then. nope.

Then Jim and I made a decision to make an FPA and if they dont like it then we will part ways, if they like it then we move on.




I never got an opinion on this one, this is where Jim dissappeared. I left "hey yous" and shit on his ICQ, his reply was. "most likely wont get a reply til after the show" this was during internext.

Never heard form Jim again.

I notcied he had a new sig and new design. So i confronted jim, he said they had decided to drop my order and that its out of his hands. He said he would give my invoice to the heads. This was on Jims last day i believe... the 15th, wednesday...

heres the proof of Jim being a liar. To us all.





Heres is our conversation yesterday where i was whining



slightly edited to eliminate potentially libelous statements that are irrelevant to this incident.
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Date and Time: 08/28/2007 00:33 AM
You have sent a message to jimthefiend
yo
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 08:46 AM
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sup
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 09:13 AM
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did you ever send that invoice through, I never got a confirmation...
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 09:13 AM
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nor a check
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 09:14 AM
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of course i did
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 09:14 AM
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youre the MAN jim...
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 09:15 AM
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dud i wouldnt coutn on her paying


-edit- this is where jim talks about his dealings with his prior employer -edit-



Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:35 PM
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http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=764242
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:35 PM
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drammmmmaaaa
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:45 PM
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Well Jim, im going to be honest with you.

i dont know who to believe or trust in this matter.

youre both fishy..

I contacted leslie right after i sent you the invoice...

is day after the weekend was over.

she told me you never sent her an invoice. She told me that before or directly after internext you canceled the order with her and said I dissappeared...

heres where i dont throw you out the window though.

she hasnt paid me yet afetr recieving the invoice from me. -edit- Here is where I say something reguarding a conversation between me and leslie. I admit it, she knows it for she has seen this script -edit-


so i sit here weighting each side... as where you have an unstable rep, yet you seem truly like a nice guy... and I have her, with nothing but golden reps from people I ask, yet..... im not paid....


im gonna sit here and watch it all pan out...


If you truly didnt send her an invoice im very dissappointed in you. I may even cry.


but theres nothing to say she is/isnt lying...

all i do know is I worked a deal for my time and effort with a company, and I havent been paid.
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:46 PM
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gimme a sec
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:47 PM
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ill find it
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:50 PM
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setn on the 13th according to my records, the first one was sent weeks before
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:51 PM
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let me ask you this
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:51 PM
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why WOULDNT i send it?
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:51 PM
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you sent my invoice to her on the 13th?
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:51 PM
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by email?
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:53 PM
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im lookimng for the actual email
Date and Time: 08/28/2007 04:53 PM
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i kept a DB with her on everythign i did

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take in mind, jim never confirmed to me that he sent it by email on the 13th... but this is all the info on the subject i got from him.

Notice on my invoice, it says 14th. i sent it to him on the 15th.

i have doctored nothing to my advantage. Fuck you Jim, Youre the liar.

I upped the price on the individual pricing on my final job since the bulk order was not followed through on. Leslie has agreed to pay me. She told me that you never gave her an invoice, that you said I left the deal. She also told me they WILL be using my material.


Jim... youre a liar dude.

you owe me money.



This thread had nothing to do with my design job that you brokered. Not until you opened your flaming ass mouth.

Being a tough guy will get you no where man. SKills will...

Now shut the fuck up and learn some business ethics you liar.



Youre paying other people. Other people that were kind enough to loan you money when you asked.

mind you it was only $6.50

but that could have been MY beer money

Originally Posted by Deej

I liked you Jim... seriously...i still think youre a nice guy .... but you lied to me...

Originally Posted by Cyber-Hu$tler

Originally Posted by Deej

Just a quickie before throw on the headphones and I log in a couple hours of CSS work.

This is Jim talking shit with me after I posted a picture of Oj on the freeway(The Juice is running, incase anyone wondered) and mentioned him(Jim) in some thread.

Seemed to be the only time he would return a message on ICQ

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Date and Time: 06/11/2007 03:04 PM
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ive asked you three fucking times for a mailing address to send the 30 bucks youre whining about to. youve ignored me. i use neither paypal NOR epass anymore. stfu on the boards and give me the addy. im getting sick of it.
Date and Time: 06/11/2007 03:07 PM
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mention it on the boards one more time and ill fucking burn your 30 bucks on webcam.
Date and Time: 06/11/2007 03:07 PM
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stop bein g a dick and give me an address
Date and Time: 06/11/2007 04:01 PM
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hey there mister... you just hold it right there... you are not allowed to get pissy with me... this is the first ive heard from you since the last time you said fleshlight or some other sponsor owed you 3k on monday ( something about 6-8 months ago) you havent tried contacting me.... and ive said maybe 3 ineuendos since that time on the boards that no one but you would know... today is the only time anyone would get any idea of what i was saying... So you STFU before you burn yourself...

its more fun... i mean its 40 bucks (not 30) ... you asked me for the scratch dude... youve had atleast 4 rep jobs since..

you shouldnt sit there and consider yourself all tough n shit, your just a working dude in this industry with a big mouth... your talk is the only thing that burns...

so well approach this differently shall we...

its no big deal... if you dont use epass or anything i wouldnt want to burden the use of it, I myself despise epass with a passion.

perhaps well come to an understanding with something...

i have bigger debt to track down now...
Date and Time: 06/11/2007 04:02 PM
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ida been sooner, but i slapped that shit on the board and went out to lunch


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Just another instance where he admits the debt.

After this we talked real nice. I approached him with a friendly attitude... we socialized on occasion reguarding board drama or whatever.

Shit was fine. FUcker lied to me though and now hes lying to all of you. So I brought it out.




Off to work...

Originally Posted by KimJI

I don't get it (or maybe I do, but I'm still surprised) Jim have been acting like a big shot on the boards for years, telling people how good he is at whatever it is he does for a living. How much traffic he have to the sites he wont link to, and how great program X and Y convert.

- But he have to borrow $40 bucks and have not been able to repay it in 6 months?

Originally Posted by Headless

Thats is exaclty what I am thinking...

Looks like jim got pwned this time...

Originally Posted by KimJI

And its funny how much time he spend making fun of your work, while it appears he is pretty much broke himself. Things make so much more sense now.

Originally Posted by Chio

Man! It's a good thing you didn't write it all with images. Although that would have been badass.

Originally Posted by psili

I can't read.
And I read even worse when I'm tired... BUT:

Didn't I read in your post of logs him asking you a couple of times for an address to send you payment and you finally respond with some snide remark?

And in your post below you saying you're leaving to do "CSS" work for the night?

Yea. You're a "designer". You have to contend with dealing when a client doesn't like where you put "that button" or the "shade of vermillion" you chose for that header background. Elite, you are. Just by your last post, you come off like a whiney bitch -- do you own a Mac, perchance?

If I misread the logs you posted, forgive me. I saw some logs that had multiple requests asking for an addy to send payment... Wait. let me re-read that shit....
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K. I just re-read the log you posted. Multiple JTF requests for an address, you finally posting a bitch remark. Did I ask if you own a Mac, cuz that'd answer a lot; you being a designer who owns a Mac -- it's just a personal theory about Mac users who are also "creatives", but it's so far held true -- NOT ALL, but many are worthless in their pursuits of creativity or helpfulness.

Wait...
Fuck... too late. I hit submit.

Originally Posted by Deej

if you notice, yes he asks, notice those comments are all within 4 minutes. right after i posted some inuendo of him owing me the 40, here on gfy.

he gets an attitude when you ask for it. he even states he no longer uses epass, wich is a lie.

was just sweet/shit talk...

Even in his onslaught of lies and deceit .... im calm and collected and nice to him... keep in mind... im the one owed money, Im the one that gave ... the only thing that jim gave me, was a hard time about it...

if you notice, jim, denies the loan, here in public... he denies multiple things here that ive proven my word on.

Jim is capable of holding a big boy conversation, he can be nice (its true)

But in the end. He lies about 40 dollars.





and no, i do not use a mac...


youre psili

Originally Posted by Deej

Bump to remind Jim...

Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Bump to remind you that you're a fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by Cyber-Hu$tler

Originally Posted by Cyber-Hu$tler