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Mssimpson · 05-21-2008, 06:09 AM

webinc . com

?

it wouldnt be surprising based on what they were chargin for stuff

kmanrox · 05-21-2008, 06:16 AM

doh... http://webinc.com

somethin's up

StuartD · 05-21-2008, 06:20 AM

Interesting....

Spunky · 05-21-2008, 06:21 AM

Seems like it

sexyclicks · 05-21-2008, 06:26 AM

yesterday was redirecting to envision next adult

Evil Chris · 05-21-2008, 06:44 AM

Well maybe they were bought. We'll just have to wait for an announcement.

Monique Niccole · 05-21-2008, 06:46 AM

I got an email a few days ago that they were changing names. I forget who they are now.

Mssimpson · 05-21-2008, 06:59 AM

Not sure how anybody charging $800 + for a one page tour + join page could actually stay in business.

Brujah · 05-21-2008, 07:00 AM

You guys didn't get the emails? "Webinc is now Kreadult.com"

Brujah · 05-21-2008, 07:01 AM

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Krea, a privately held internet agency and an exclusive provider of creative services for Webinc, officially launches Kreadult - its adult division aimed at providing creative services in the adult entertainment industry.

Even though Kreadult is a whole new brand, the people behind its parent company Krea have been shaping the adult design industry for almost a decade.

As an exclusive provider of creative services for Webinc, the crew at Krea has built thousands of adult paysites and advertising materials, forming one of the largest adult portfolios online.

Today, due to a new strategy aimed at strengthening its brand and position, Krea is launching a new division - Kreadult. All of the work, originally located at Webinc, can now be located exclusively at www.kreadult.com.

Please update your bookmarks and change your contacts today. If you're a former Webinc client, please read this important notice.

Thank you for your support.

The Kreadult crew

.......................

The Promo Guy · 05-21-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Not sure how anybody charging $800 + for a one page tour + join page could actually stay in business.

hahahaha that is the most retarded statement i read this week that this leads me to believe Mssimpson is really Jessica Simpson

SykkBoy · 05-21-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Not sure how anybody charging $800 + for a one page tour + join page could actually stay in business.

Yet, they just got a shitload of business from us....hmmm...

Chris · 05-21-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Not sure how anybody charging $800 + for a one page tour + join page could actually stay in business.

lmao
you are clueless

'So Fucking Money · 05-21-2008, 10:10 AM

i tried to get a quote from them and never heard a response. We went with insaneadultcreations.com instead

Sarah_Jayne · 05-21-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Not sure how anybody charging $800 + for a one page tour + join page could actually stay in business.

Perhaps better than just about anybody else on the board I can say with certainty that Webinc (or the other companies at their level) had no problem selling paysite designs. Peter is a designer that knows what he is doing and deserves the price he charges.

I hope Todd is feeling better and chilling out a bit more

BradM · 05-21-2008, 10:21 AM

Peter kicks fucking ass. Guy is an incredible designer.

Mssimpson · 05-21-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

Yet, they just got a shitload of business from us....hmmm...

That's because you're a fool and so is anyone else who would actually pay:

Standard package #1 includes logo for web, splash page, 1 tour, join page - 1 creative concept, 6 hours of revisions ?1,400 $2,199

$2,199 for a tour page and a join page.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 05-21-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

That's because you're a fool and so is anyone else who would actually pay:

Standard package #1 includes logo for web, splash page, 1 tour, join page - 1 creative concept, 6 hours of revisions ?1,400 $2,199

$2,199 for a tour page and a join page.

Right because it's foolish to pay someone well for doing a good job. It's also foolish to try to find the best design you can for your website. It's also foolish to be able to afford to pay for premium services. So, I guess that all makes some of the most successful people in the biz fools, right?

payd2purv · 05-21-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

That's because you're a fool and so is anyone else who would actually pay:

Standard package #1 includes logo for web, splash page, 1 tour, join page - 1 creative concept, 6 hours of revisions ?1,400 $2,199

$2,199 for a tour page and a join page.

Wow this forum has the largest collection of idiots in 1 place it's amazing.

Are you fucking clueless as to who WebInc. is?

Sarah_Jayne · 05-21-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

That's because you're a fool and so is anyone else who would actually pay:

Standard package #1 includes logo for web, splash page, 1 tour, join page - 1 creative concept, 6 hours of revisions ?1,400 $2,199

$2,199 for a tour page and a join page.

So, which design firm do you work for then?

In the four years I worked for Webinc we had a large number of customers coming back and ordering packages time and time again. If they are 'fools' as you say then surely they would have been foolish once rather than come back and pay the same price over and over if the sites didn't convert and earn that back for them.

Mssimpson · 05-21-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

If they are 'fools' as you say then.

Never said THEY were fools.

THEY obviously aren't the fools. I know plenty of guys that can do a 1 page + join for a few hundred bucks at the exact same quality as anything there.

There's NO WAY that a 1 page tour and a join page is worth $2,200.

WyldeSites charges $2,500 for a package and it includes 4 tour pages , 6 banners and basic members area and he is far better than they are.

100% rip off prices at webinc.

payd2purv · 05-21-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Never said THEY were fools.

THEY obviously aren't the fools. I know plenty of guys that can do a 1 page + join for a few hundred bucks at the exact same quality as anything there.

There's NO WAY that a 1 page tour and a join page is worth $2,200.

WyldeSites charges $2,500 for a package and it includes 4 tour pages , 6 banners and basic members area and he is far better than they are.

100% rip off prices at webinc.

You are crazier than me.

WyldeSites can not even come close to the quality of work and creativity from WebInc. and they charge more HAhaha!

Mssimpson · 05-21-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by payd2purv

You are crazier than me.

WyldeSites can not even come close to the quality of work and creativity from WebInc. and they charge more HAhaha!

uh ya ok. You're probably one of the idiots who paid 2,200 for a tour page. LOL

Sarah_Jayne · 05-21-2008, 10:59 AM

so, 11 posts and nearly half on of them in this thread..who are you really then and why such a gripe against Webinc?

Also, I knew who you were calling fools and I was explaining that if a client was a fool to pay that amount they would certainly not come back and pay it again if the design didn't convert for them and therefore was worth it.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 05-21-2008, 11:00 AM

If you think that's too much to pay for a good design, then here's something that will really blow your mind. I used to be a project manager for a design company, and we had at least one client who would pay us the full rate for a design and then have two or three other companies working on designs for the same site at the same time. VERY big company as well, but fools, I suppose.

payd2purv · 05-21-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

uh ya ok. You're probably one of the idiots who paid 2,200 for a tour page. LOL

I am a designer and you are an idiot contributing to me and other designers saying fuck adult.

Stop trying to bring the value of adult design down because you are a bitter tool.

Let me guess you got fired by Webinc. or burned by them in the past?

Like seriously lets hear it

Because $2,500 for a tour from WebInc. is not absurd.

BradM · 05-21-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Never said THEY were fools.

THEY obviously aren't the fools. I know plenty of guys that can do a 1 page + join for a few hundred bucks at the exact same quality as anything there.

There's NO WAY that a 1 page tour and a join page is worth $2,200.

WyldeSites charges $2,500 for a package and it includes 4 tour pages , 6 banners and basic members area and he is far better than they are.

100% rip off prices at webinc.

ur dom obleslee

Mssimpson · 05-21-2008, 11:12 AM

I'am on a board full of idiots

SykkBoy · 05-21-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

I'am on a board full of idiots

...and we just added one more...

Wizzo · 05-21-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

I know plenty of guys that can do a 1 page + join for a few hundred bucks at the exact same quality as anything there.

Then list 3 of them...

payd2purv · 05-21-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

I'am on a board full of idiots

What do you do for a living?

/yourself

sexyclicks · 05-21-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

If you think that's too much to pay for a good design, then here's something that will really blow your mind. I used to be a project manager for a design company, and we had at least one client who would pay us the full rate for a design and then have two or three other companies working on designs for the same site at the same time. VERY big company as well, but fools, I suppose.

and at the end they would always choose my design right?

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 05-21-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sexyclicks

and at the end they would always choose my design right?

Hehe, too bad everything couldn't be that simple, huh? what are you up to these days? I'll leave my ICQ on for a while today in case you sign on.

Dirty F · 05-21-2008, 11:59 AM

The big problem is with Webinc is that they didn't adjust. Years ago they were one of the best design companies and people paid for the expensive designs without a problem. Year after year more design companies came online offering similar or in some cases better work for half the price. And besides that Webinc kept making designs like they did in 2001. Well times change and tour designs completely changed...they didn't.

So basically they are charging 2001 prices for 2001 designs in 2008. You don't need to be an Einstein to know that doesn't work.

I mentioned this several times and always the same people told me i'm an idiot. The Webinc fan from 2001 who has been with them forever and simply won't let them down and the Webinc sales rep who will tell you there's a reason why they are so expensive. Basically everybody else understand what im talking about.

Dirty F · 05-21-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Never said THEY were fools.

THEY obviously aren't the fools. I know plenty of guys that can do a 1 page + join for a few hundred bucks at the exact same quality as anything there.

There's NO WAY that a 1 page tour and a join page is worth $2,200.

WyldeSites charges $2,500 for a package and it includes 4 tour pages , 6 banners and basic members area and he is far better than they are.

100% rip off prices at webinc.

I dont know Wyldesites but other than that you're 100% correct.

payd2purv · 05-21-2008, 12:09 PM

Ok Dirty_F show us examples to back up what your saying.

Give us urls from 2001 to compare to what they have done recently.

Hell their is really no point because design is all subjective and personal opinion..

I will show you designs from Dickman's who I am told is #1 right now. They too have projects that are very recent but look dated.

In 2001 times were obviously different.
They had a lot less competition..
Hell Webinc. has been around since what 1995?

Why should they lower their prices? Why should they change how they do business?

You want to work with WebInc. you pay for it.

There's a 1000x reasons why you would choose 1 company over another.

Sly · 05-21-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by payd2purv

Ok Dirty_F show us examples to back up what your saying.

Give us urls from 2001 to compare to what they have done recently.

Hell their is really no point because design is all subjective and personal opinion..

I will show you designs from Dickman's who I am told is #1 right now. They too have projects that are very recent but look dated.

In 2001 times were obviously different.
They had a lot less competition..
Hell Webinc. has been around since what 1995?

Why should they lower their prices? Why should they change how they do business?

You want to work with WebInc. you pay for it.

There's a 1000x reasons why you would choose 1 company over another.

Designing paysites isn't as subjective and based on personal opinion as other design elements such as blogs may be... paysite designs either produce sales or they don't.

payd2purv · 05-21-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Designing paysites isn't as subjective and based on personal opinion as other design elements such as blogs may be... paysite designs either produce sales or they don't.

Yes obviously.

But even that is based on a lot of factors...

I still wanted to see examples of what he was referring to..

My point was that arguing over design companies how much they charge the quality of the work etc is pointless because it's all subject to too many factors..

I'd love to see stats comparing various tours on the same site tho.. I know lots of the larger companies have many tours designed for one site..

Dirty F · 05-21-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Designing paysites isn't as subjective and based on personal opinion as other design elements such as blogs may be... paysite designs either produce sales or they don't.

They didnt get up to date and better converting designs were being made by companies all over the place but they ignored it. Its not strange or anything. Its something which you see happening a lot of top companies. They thought nobody can touch us. We dont have to change a thing.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-21-2008, 12:30 PM

This another thread where people say soem designers are over priced?

LOL, good designers charge what they are worth. Outsourced 3rd world weekend warrior retards need not apply when it comes to skilled designers. WebInc has fucken skill's and only a small handful of guys really know what they are doing when it coems to adult oriented design. Its not something anyone can do. What others do may look like tour and when someone that knows what they are doing it is a tour.
There is no comparison.

Sly · 05-21-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by payd2purv

Yes obviously.

But even that is based on a lot of factors...

I still wanted to see examples of what he was referring to..

My point was that arguing over design companies how much they charge the quality of the work etc is pointless because it's all subject to too many factors..

I'd love to see stats comparing various tours on the same site tho.. I know lots of the larger companies have many tours designed for one site..

I'm with you. I never understood why one would complain about prices... simply go to another vendor. I know people that charge stupid prices simply because they don't really want work... if somebody wants some bad enough, they will pay, and then they will be happy to take the work at a very high price.

Everybody is different.

seeric · 05-21-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

You guys didn't get the emails? "Webinc is now Kreadult.com"

yah i got a ton of them.

i could never get anyone from there to answer me on getting a banner package so i gave up.

Dirty F · 05-21-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

This another thread where people say soem designers are over priced?

LOL, good designers charge what they are worth. Outsourced 3rd world weekend warrior retards need not apply when it comes to skilled designers.
There is no comparison.

They are overpriced. They always have been expensive but i never had a problem with that. Years ago they were the best or one of the best and you paid for it. Now there are plenty of others who do similar or better work for a better price.

So stfu with your arrogant shit as you consider yourself a top designer and thats why you made this comment.

Designers can be overpriced. Thats a fact. And Webinc at this point is overpriced.

payd2purv · 05-21-2008, 12:36 PM

Dirty_F Who do you think had the most influence on the way adult sites looked in 2001 and now?

Dirty F · 05-21-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by payd2purv

Dirty_F Who do you think had the most influence on the way adult sites looked in 2001 and now?

2001 - Webinc maybe? So fucking what? Right now theyre behind and overpriced. I dont give a shit about the past. People will keep ordering there because they were pioneers back then. Its dumb. Webinc is for noobs. Its for starting companies who have a budget and think they need to spend 1000's on a tour to make something work. Clueless. Webinc is all artsy shit. Sure the designs look nice in an art kind of way...nice colors and shit but they also look very outdated and i dont see how their designs would sell anything better than...whatever other company. Not at all.

abyss_al · 05-21-2008, 12:40 PM

they do great work

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-21-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

They are overpriced. They always have been expensive but i never had a problem with that. Years ago they were the best or one of the best and you paid for it. Now there are plenty of others who do similar or better work for a better price.

So stfu with your arrogant shit as you consider yourself a top designer and thats why you made this comment.

Designers can be overpriced. Thats a fact. And Webinc at this point is overpriced.

You go on with that thought

Fact is people pay those prices and they do so willingly.
"Better" and cheaper designers are not a matter to be concerned with appearently.

I have kept my prices the same for years more or less and business is still constant. To some people I am over priced and to others it's just fine! So you figure it out!

One thing I have noticed though is that the guys that want something on the cheap and fast tend to be more problematic than they are worth! Often I turn away those sort of business proposals. SO it's better to keep prices within a range just to keep bottom feeders away.

And thats a fact to. Maybe that's the idea for some designers prices it works for me and it must work for WebInc as well and Wylde...

Dirty F · 05-21-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

they do great work

Ok, i just clicked a random example on their site.

http://www.kreadult.com/portfolio/pa.../tokyo-slaves/

This page together with a sign up page probably cost like 1000 dollars right?

I wouldnt use it for free. And i mean it. Its totally chaotic. The color hurt your eyes. Its messy. The red links are a horrible choice on the black background etc. The areas left free for content are way too small to sell anything. The only thing that grabs your attention (in a bad way) when you visit that page are the colors which make you want to close it again.

I'm pretty goddamn sure i could whip up a similar page in frontpage where i focus on the actual content instead of an all artsy design and convert 10x better than that tour.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-21-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

2001 - Webinc maybe? So fucking what? Right now theyre behind and overpriced. I dont give a shit about the past. People will keep ordering there because they were pioneers back then. Its dumb. Webinc is for noobs. Its for starting companies who have a budget and think they need to spend 1000's on a tour to make something work. Clueless. Webinc is all artsy shit. Sure the designs look nice in an art kind of way...nice colors and shit but they also look very outdated and i dont see how their designs would sell anything better than...whatever other company. Not at all.

You are fucking moron.

Bye!

payd2purv · 05-21-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

2001 - Webinc maybe? So fucking what? Right now theyre behind and overpriced. I dont give a shit about the past. People will keep ordering there because they were pioneers back then. Its dumb. Webinc is for noobs. Its for starting companies who have a budget and think they need to spend 1000's on a tour to make something work. Clueless. Webinc is all artsy shit. Sure the designs look nice in an art kind of way...nice colors and shit but they also look very outdated and i dont see how their designs would sell anything better than...whatever other company. Not at all.

It's all opinion.. Yah some opinions mean more than others.. But this is just you hating...

Everyone knows that it's the content that sells not the photoshopped graphics in a tour..

Is WebInc. busy?

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Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	so, 11 posts and nearly half on of them in this thread..who are you really then and why such a gripe against Webinc? Also, I knew who you were calling fools and I was explaining that if a client was a fool to pay that amount they would certainly not come back and pay it again if the design didn't convert for them and therefore was worth it.

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Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	The big problem is with Webinc is that they didn't adjust. Years ago they were one of the best design companies and people paid for the expensive designs without a problem. Year after year more design companies came online offering similar or in some cases better work for half the price. And besides that Webinc kept making designs like they did in 2001. Well times change and tour designs completely changed...they didn't. So basically they are charging 2001 prices for 2001 designs in 2008. You don't need to be an Einstein to know that doesn't work. I mentioned this several times and always the same people told me i'm an idiot. The Webinc fan from 2001 who has been with them forever and simply won't let them down and the Webinc sales rep who will tell you there's a reason why they are so expensive. Basically everybody else understand what im talking about.

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payd2purv Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,727	Ok Dirty_F show us examples to back up what your saying. Give us urls from 2001 to compare to what they have done recently. Hell their is really no point because design is all subjective and personal opinion.. I will show you designs from Dickman's who I am told is #1 right now. They too have projects that are very recent but look dated. In 2001 times were obviously different. They had a lot less competition.. Hell Webinc. has been around since what 1995? Why should they lower their prices? Why should they change how they do business? You want to work with WebInc. you pay for it. There's a 1000x reasons why you would choose 1 company over another. __________________ Last edited by payd2purv; 05-21-2008 at 12:11 PM..

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