Iraq Vet Crushed by Police Horse at Presidential Debate - GoFuckYourself.com

Fletch XXX · 10-24-2008, 09:02 AM

cops should not use horses at protests, I assure you, its done on purpose.

the animals CANNOT handle the stress and it will always turn this way

d-null · 10-24-2008, 09:07 AM

they are abusing the animals by using them in this purpose

they could use so many other techniques for crowd control

brassmonkey · 10-24-2008, 09:13 AM

damn horses are fukin big my be new york or somewhere where its crowds we dont have that here

IllTestYourGirls · 10-24-2008, 09:15 AM

the crowd WAS under control until the police decided to use the horse as a weapon.

Kudles · 10-24-2008, 12:10 PM

Wow that sucks

KillerK · 10-24-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

cops should not use horses at protests, I assure you, its done on purpose.

the animals CANNOT handle the stress and it will always turn this way

Yeah, cause you know everything.

dav3 · 10-24-2008, 12:22 PM

the horses are a liability and have no business being out there. this is exactly why. intimidation tactics like this have no place in a 'civilized' modern society.

baddog · 10-24-2008, 12:27 PM

I guess if you are a vet that gives you the right to be above the law.

dav3 · 10-24-2008, 12:30 PM

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I guess if you are a vet that gives you the right to be above the law.

how did he break the law?

notoldschool · 10-24-2008, 01:00 PM

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I guess if you are a vet that gives you the right to be above the law.

Your a pudd for saying that. You claim to have respect for soldiers yet when one voices the exact right he fights for he is doing something illegal. Your kind are more the enemy of freedom than any muslim.

seeric · 10-24-2008, 01:09 PM

did he die?

BradM · 10-24-2008, 01:13 PM

Nothing angers me more than disrespect towards the military. Seeing a guy on American soil in a uniform that he wore in Iraq getting stomped by a horse... FUCK it angers me.

IllTestYourGirls · 10-24-2008, 01:19 PM

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did he die?

No. And on top of this they have audio of the police not reading them their rights when they arrested them for getting in the way of the horses hooves.

Adam Kokesh told the officer he was not read his rights. The officer replied "we do things differently here" then the officer went through Adam's cell phone looking at his text messages and numbers stored on his phone. Land of the free

Tom_PM · 10-24-2008, 01:33 PM

Did the designated protestors fail to apply at city hall for a permit to lawfully protest in the designated free speech protest zone?

sad sarcasm over

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dav3 · 10-24-2008, 01:44 PM

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No. And on top of this they have audio of the police not reading them their rights when they arrested them for getting in the way of the horses hooves.

Adam Kokesh told the officer he was not read his rights. The officer replied "we do things differently here" then the officer went through Adam's cell phone looking at his text messages and numbers stored on his phone. Land of the free

That's pretty sad. In the video, it appeared as if the cop was having trouble controlling his horse.

Brilliant idea. Let's put a wild animal in the midst of chanting protesters. Surely nothing can go wrong.

I hope he sues the fuck out of that police department.

WarChild · 10-24-2008, 01:51 PM

Horses make very effective crowd control. Seen them in action many, many times. You can avoid being trampled by police officers and their horses if you, you know, back the fuck up when you're told.

No sympathy for the stupid.

Darkland · 10-24-2008, 01:53 PM

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Yeah, cause you know everything.

Sorta funny coming from a person who claims "MOST" black people are on welfare...

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Did the designated protestors fail to apply at city hall for a permit to lawfully protest in the designated free speech protest zone?

sad sarcasm over

This is a sad state of affairs and truth be told we are slowly turning into a country that will eventually no longer be able to protest. If you don't get arrested, your image and info are stored and entered into a database of known dissenters for later use. Protestors are harassed by law enforcement and can be denied their right to protest by the city for whatever reason they see fit.

We aren't living in a democracy... More like a controlled Idiocracy if you ask me...

DAMNMAN · 10-24-2008, 02:02 PM

Ya. the police tell you to do something and you must comply or they will stomp the fuck out of you. UNITED NAZIS OF AMERICA!!!!

Usually they stomp the supposed bad guy without the aid of a horse.

DAMNMAN · 10-24-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Horses make very effective crowd control. Seen them in action many, many times. You can avoid being trampled by police officers and their horses if you, you know, back the fuck up when you're told.

No sympathy for the stupid.

What if the cop tells you to blow him,,,,,, gotta do that too?

WarChild · 10-24-2008, 02:14 PM

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What if the cop tells you to blow him,,,,,, gotta do that too?

Look, there's no doubt that there are some police that go way to far and are just dicks, but you're just being ridiculous.

I was in the Stanley Cup riot in Vancouver and I've had lots of encounters in my life with police when I was younger. Yet somehow I didn't ever get tazered, beaten up, pepper sprayed or trampled by a horse. If I'm in a group of people and the police, on horseback none the less, are telling me to backup. I'm going to fucking backup. Pretty simple.

If you're in a group of protestors and a police officer rides his horse through the crowd and crushes you while you're just standing in a group of quiet protestors, that's one thing. When you're at the front of a group of protestors and cops are telling you to back up yet you're standing there yelling, well it just goes to prove there's no victims, only volunteers.

DAMNMAN · 10-24-2008, 02:20 PM

I've seen some fucked up shit perped by cops in my day, luckily for me most of at was at other people. But these other people I speak of were unjustly and brutally handled by cops on a petty tyrant trip.

I have also seen people who were guilty of something handled with profesionalism by cops. So I know all are not dicks and they are necessary to society. All I'm sayin' is I hate jack booted thugs.

IllTestYourGirls · 10-24-2008, 02:29 PM

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Look, there's no doubt that there are some police that go way to far and are just dicks, but you're just being ridiculous.

I was in the Stanley Cup riot in Vancouver and I've had lots of encounters in my life with police when I was younger. Yet somehow I didn't ever get tazered, beaten up, pepper sprayed or trampled by a horse. If I'm in a group of people and the police, on horseback none the less, are telling me to backup. I'm going to fucking backup. Pretty simple.

If you're in a group of protestors and a police officer rides his horse through the crowd and crushes you while you're just standing in a group of quiet protestors, that's one thing. When you're at the front of a group of protestors and cops are telling you to back up yet you're standing there yelling, well it just goes to prove there's no victims, only volunteers.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

WarChild · 10-24-2008, 02:32 PM

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Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Right. From what we can see in that video though, which granted might not be the whole story, the police weren't telling anyone to stop talking, stop peacably assembling or to go home. The police were telling them to back up.

I'm not saying the police handled the situation perfectly or even well. I'm just saying if your stupid ass gets crushed by a police horse, while there's a police officer on top of it telling you to back up, you're just stupid. Period.

DAMNMAN · 10-24-2008, 02:37 PM

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right. From what we can see in that video though, which granted might not be the whole story, the police weren't telling anyone to stop talking, stop peacably assembling or to go home. The police were telling them to back up.

I'm not saying the police handled the situation perfectly or even well. I'm just saying if your stupid ass gets crushed by a police horse, while there's a police officer on top of it telling you to back up, you're just stupid. Period.

back up to where and why?

IllTestYourGirls · 10-24-2008, 02:42 PM

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Right. From what we can see in that video though, which granted might not be the whole story, the police weren't telling anyone to stop talking, stop peacably assembling or to go home. The police were telling them to back up.

I'm not saying the police handled the situation perfectly or even well. I'm just saying if your stupid ass gets crushed by a police horse, while there's a police officer on top of it telling you to back up, you're just stupid. Period.

abridge: to reduce in scope

How is telling them to back up with threat of force not reducing the scope of their freedom?

WarChild · 10-24-2008, 02:44 PM

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back up to where and why?

Who knows. The video is not complete. What I can hear clearly is police saying "Back Up" over and over and then "Back on the sidewalk". Sounds like they're trying to push people on to the sidewalk and off of the street. Sounds fair enough to me.

Now granted, who knows what really happened. Maybe all those people were peacefully on the sidewalk and the police just charged in and started trampling people, then the video starts. Could be I guess.

I'm just saying it takes some work to get crushed by a police horse. They don't appear magically out of thin air and start crushing people. At least that's been my experience.

directfiesta · 10-24-2008, 02:48 PM

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Yeah, cause you know everything.

just wish that the fly in your avatar would be in your brain ... that would make YOU smarter....

WarChild · 10-24-2008, 02:49 PM

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abridge: to reduce in scope

How is telling them to back up with threat of force not reducing the scope of their freedom?

So you think your freedom gives you the right to say just gather with all your friends in the middle of the street, blocking traffic and everyone else? Would police pushing you off the roads on to the sidewalk be taking away your freedom? If so, what about traffic trying to get through, or businesses trying to operate in the area? Does your freedom trump theirs?

This video does not show police tramping through a crowd of peaceful protestors in a park. It shows police telling people to back up off of the road on to the sidewalk.

I'm not saying this guy necessarily deserved to get hurt by a horse, but he didn't take all the reasonable steps to avoid it from happening either. So sorry, no sympathy for this kind of stupidity.

421Fill · 10-24-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN

back up to where and why?

doesn't matter why they were being told to back up, but to humor you, I'll go out on a limb and say they were being told to back up to gain some control of the situation... or maybe they were being told to back up to be safe from the horses feet.

look, I have the utmost respect for people that put their lives at risk to protect our freedoms, but what the fuck... why can't people just back the fuck up when the police are telling them to back up?

they can sort out in court whether or not the cop was justified in telling them to back up.

DAMNMAN · 10-24-2008, 02:55 PM

My "back up to where and why?" comment was to make you think about what police can make you do and if it is lawful under the constitution for them to do so.
They could make you back up all the way to your house and keep you sitting on your couch if you don't stand up to them some time.

421Fill · 10-24-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN

My "back up to where and why?" comment was to make you think about what police can make you do and if it is lawful under the constitution for them to do so.
They could make you back up all the way to your house and keep you sitting on your couch if you don't stand up to them some time.

stand up to them in court. the law says that you are required to follow an officer's instructions. period. then later, if the cop was wrong, the judge will tell you.

bushwacker · 10-24-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN

My "back up to where and why?" comment was to make you think about what police can make you do and if it is lawful under the constitution for them to do so.
They could make you back up all the way to your house and keep you sitting on your couch if you don't stand up to them some time.

Welcome to the REAL world. Now back the fuck up.

Mr Pheer · 10-24-2008, 03:07 PM

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Yeah, cause you know everything.

Yeah Fletch always seems to be the authority on whatever the subject of the moment is.

DAMNMAN · 10-24-2008, 03:12 PM

You guys ever been to court? I can see it now, "your honor the police man gave me an illegal command, please give me some money for my pain and suffering."

Reality not withstanding no-one stood up to the SS either.
Sometimes you have to let them stomp you in order to win in your court!!!!!!

IllTestYourGirls · 10-24-2008, 03:36 PM

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So you think your freedom gives you the right to say just gather with all your friends in the middle of the street, blocking traffic and everyone else? Would police pushing you off the roads on to the sidewalk be taking away your freedom? If so, what about traffic trying to get through, or businesses trying to operate in the area? Does your freedom trump theirs?

This video does not show police tramping through a crowd of peaceful protestors in a park. It shows police telling people to back up off of the road on to the sidewalk.

I'm not saying this guy necessarily deserved to get hurt by a horse, but he didn't take all the reasonable steps to avoid it from happening either. So sorry, no sympathy for this kind of stupidity.

Well I guess you had to be there. The roads were closed. And yes you can gather in public and if that hurts local shops so what. They have the right to be open you have the right to be in a public area.

DAMNMAN · 10-24-2008, 03:40 PM

If I was the cop at the bare minimum I would have watched out for the guy in uniform on the outside chance that he was a hero or something..... I'm just sayin'

marketsmart · 10-24-2008, 03:49 PM

what goes around comes around...

too bad people in the US are too afraid to stand up for their rights..

BradM · 10-24-2008, 03:54 PM

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what goes around comes around...

too bad people in the US are too afraid to stand up for their rights..

America needs this in the worst way right now.

directfiesta · 10-24-2008, 03:54 PM

at 1:56 and 2:17

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DAMNMAN · 10-24-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

what goes around comes around...

too bad people in the US are too afraid to stand up for their rights..

I'm down with that LEO beat down. It was rightious and with cause.

I guess the cops should have beat guy with their clubs back at the station and not in a stadium.

Darkland · 10-24-2008, 04:08 PM

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I know you can't be talking about law enforcement... that would be sheer idiocracy.

They are the only buffer between us and martial law, where being out of your house after curfew will get you killed.

And lets not forget that if there was no law enforcement OR martial law you would be dead in no time flat. And if you disagree you are living in a fantasy world.

directfiesta · 10-24-2008, 04:10 PM

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I know you can't be talking about law enforcement... that would be sheer idiocracy.

They are the only buffer between us and martial law, where being out of your house after curfew will get you killed.

And lets not forget that if there was no law enforcement OR martial law you would be dead in no time flat. And if you disagree you are living in a fantasy world.

soldiers, troops, boots on the ground .... if you had looked at the clip, you would have knowed ...

421Fill · 10-24-2008, 04:36 PM

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America needs this in the worst way right now.

yep, you're right, we need mob rules mentality and anarchy. that'll show those stupid cops.

fucking idiot.

you'd likely be the first person begging for some sort of intervention from hostile mobs if there weren't any police force.

all you fucking armchair quarterbacks that see a video like this and jump on the fuck the cops bandwagon need to be allowed to live in your own little state with no police for a year. see how well you fare. you'd definitely be singing a different tune after that year... if you were still alive.

it's really not that fucking difficult to listen to an officer's instructions in a situation where control is needed. If you feel like your rights were violated by listening to their instructions, get a lawyer.

or make your own little state/country with no law and enjoy yourselves.

Darkland · 10-24-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

soldiers, troops, boots on the ground .... if you had looked at the clip, you would have knowed ...

I gotcha, was looking at it from the perspective of this thread. Only noticed cops busting heads at those time marks.

I agree and it is sad.

Spunky · 10-24-2008, 07:11 PM

They don't want to listen to authority,you pay the price

marketsmart · 10-24-2008, 08:29 PM

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all you fucking armchair quarterbacks that see a video like this and jump on the fuck the cops bandwagon need to be allowed to live in your own little state with no police for a year. see how well you fare. you'd definitely be singing a different tune after that year... if you were still alive.

it's really not that fucking difficult to listen to an officer's instructions in a situation where control is needed. If you feel like your rights were violated by listening to their instructions, get a lawyer.

I have guns and can protect myself just fine.. I also choose to not live in an area of crime.. Do you really think that the police deter maniacs from killing other people?

I don't have a problem with authority or the police, but I do have a problem with police that either don't have the temperament or proper training for the job.

Many of the videos i see of police misconduct or brutality, the officers in question were not in any immediate danger, but chose to use excessive force without any just cause.

Taxpayers pay for civil servants and police need to understand that. Would you continue to employ an employee that was abusive to your customers even if your customers were a pain in the ass?

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DAMNMAN Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,440	Ya. the police tell you to do something and you must comply or they will stomp the fuck out of you. UNITED NAZIS OF AMERICA!!!! Usually they stomp the supposed bad guy without the aid of a horse. __________________ email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net ICQ: 196678616 ZMASTER One less god!!! I contend that we are both an atheist. I just belive in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

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DAMNMAN Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,440	I've seen some fucked up shit perped by cops in my day, luckily for me most of at was at other people. But these other people I speak of were unjustly and brutally handled by cops on a petty tyrant trip. I have also seen people who were guilty of something handled with profesionalism by cops. So I know all are not dicks and they are necessary to society. All I'm sayin' is I hate jack booted thugs. __________________ email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net ICQ: 196678616 ZMASTER One less god!!! I contend that we are both an atheist. I just belive in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

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DAMNMAN Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,440	My "back up to where and why?" comment was to make you think about what police can make you do and if it is lawful under the constitution for them to do so. They could make you back up all the way to your house and keep you sitting on your couch if you don't stand up to them some time. __________________ email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net ICQ: 196678616 ZMASTER One less god!!! I contend that we are both an atheist. I just belive in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

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DAMNMAN Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,440	You guys ever been to court? I can see it now, "your honor the police man gave me an illegal command, please give me some money for my pain and suffering." Reality not withstanding no-one stood up to the SS either. Sometimes you have to let them stomp you in order to win in your court!!!!!! __________________ email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net ICQ: 196678616 ZMASTER One less god!!! I contend that we are both an atheist. I just belive in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

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