Is there such a thing as a 'Fake' tube script? - GoFuckYourself.com

CurrentlySober · 10-25-2008, 06:40 AM

You know how you can get fake TGP scripts? In other words a script that produces what 'looks' to be a TGP... But it doesn't have all the full features of a proper TGP script, ie no skim, you cant trade etc etc...

Does the same thing apply to tubes?

In other words is there a 'simple' script that can be used to create a small tubesite, but that doesn't have all the full features of a full blown tube?

Im thinking of just displaying my own trailers on it... Only about 100 clips to start, but I'd want it to 'look' like a full blown script... But I dont need to have user uploads, or a 'join scheme' or anything fancy...

Ideally, as it wont have mega traffic, Id like it to be something that can be run on a 'shared server' It doesn't need to be able to run on a 'virtual account', but Ideally it wont require a dedicated box either...

It would be really just a way to display my own clips and promos in a way that looks familiar to tube users?

If so, please post suggestions. I dont mind spending on a paid script... But I am new to entire tube thing anyway, so I dont even know if what Im asking for exists!

JamesK · 10-25-2008, 06:57 AM

I'm not sure about that, but if you know a tube script uses templates for the thumbnails (meaning you can edit the URL) you could merge it with a TGP script and skim the clicks on the videos.

I'm sure it's not that necessary though as you would need sites to trade with and tubes don't really do that. You could trade with TGP's but I think the productivity would be quite low, not really sure though as I haven't tried this.

CurrentlySober · 10-25-2008, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

I'm not sure about that, but if you know a tube script uses templates for the thumbnails (meaning you can edit the URL) you could merge it with a TGP script and skim the clicks on the videos.

I'm sure it's not that necessary though as you would need sites to trade with and tubes don't really do that. You could trade with TGP's but I think the productivity would be quite low, not really sure though as I haven't tried this.

No Sorry. Either I have not been clear in what I am looking for, or you misunderstood me... The TGP bit was just an example...

What Im looking for is a lightweight tube script, that I want to use to display my own trailers (That I have shot) in a format that is familiar with tube users...

IE I want something that looks and acts like a tube, but without all the bells and whistles of a fully fledged tube script...

Hope that makes more sense.

Barefootsies · 10-25-2008, 07:18 AM

Not that I am aware of.

I know for the one I use, MediaMax, I just turn off the user submits and downloads. I am guessing most scripts, should, have this option. Or where you can put all submitted into a cue or whatever.

But there is no full fledged fake tgp tube script I am aware of. You could always ask fawkedup to make one for ye.

JamesK · 10-25-2008, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuyInTheCorner

No Sorry. Either I have not been clear in what I am looking for, or you misunderstood me... The TGP bit was just an example...

What Im looking for is a lightweight tube script, that I want to use to display my own trailers (That I have shot) in a format that is familiar with tube users...

IE I want something that looks and acts like a tube, but without all the bells and whistles of a fully fledged tube script...

Hope that makes more sense.

Ahh sorry I just skimmed over your post and figured that was what you were looking for

CurrentlySober · 10-25-2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Not that I am aware of.

I know for the one I use, MediaMax, I just turn off the user submits and downloads. I am guessing most scripts, should, have this option. Or where you can put all submitted into a cue or whatever.

But there is no full fledged fake tgp tube script I am aware of. You could always ask fawkedup to make one for ye.

OK thanks. This Media Max you use? Is it from http://mediamax.com/ ? If so they appear to have closed shop...

The key point though, is that its going to be running on a shared server, not a dedicated box, and I remember Sortie bemoaning the fact that phatservers couldnt run his script the other day...

Barefootsies · 10-25-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuyInTheCorner

OK thanks. This Media Max you use? Is it from http://mediamax.com/ ? If so they appear to have closed shop...

The key point though, is that its going to be running on a shared server, not a dedicated box, and I remember Sortie bemoaning the fact that phatservers couldnt run his script the other day...

Nope sire.
http://www.scriptolution.com/

CurrentlySober · 10-25-2008, 08:02 AM

Thanks Looking at it now

munki · 10-25-2008, 08:05 AM

Check out tevs

KillerK · 10-25-2008, 08:50 AM

Tevs is a fake tube script.. However the guy who makes it keeps saying there is a update and that's been for almost a year. Decent script but a complete tool who owns it and he has no idea how to make money with it.

Barefootsies · 10-25-2008, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerK

Tevs is a fake tube script.. However the guy who makes it keeps saying there is a update and that's been for almost a year. Decent script but a complete tool who owns it and he has no idea how to make money with it.

CurrentlySober · 10-25-2008, 08:58 AM

Excuse my ignoarance, but is TEVS 'Sorties' script?

If not, please provide linkage... I tried tevs.com but thats not it...

CurrentlySober · 10-25-2008, 10:08 AM

OK cool... Its zorgmans isnt it?

WarChild · 10-25-2008, 10:12 AM

Yeah TEVs is Zorgman's script, probably the best fake one around.

CurrentlySober · 10-25-2008, 10:27 AM

I looked at TEVs... But it may be a bit more than I need...

You see, I dont want to promote anyone else's stuff on it... So I dont need to import galleries... Nor do I want to have links to anyone else's stuff... I just want to have my OWN clips (That I have shot myself) and links back to MY site... I dont want to import anyone else's stuff...

Its not an exercise in using the tube format to become 'a tube' and get sales for other programs, with me acting as an affiliate...

Its an exercise in using the tube format to display MY stuff to MY customers in a tube format...

Which is the reason I just want something really simple....

But I think Im going to be disappointed..

Barefootsies · 10-25-2008, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuyInTheCorner

I looked at TEVs... But it may be a bit more than I need...

You see, I dont want to promote anyone else's stuff on it... So I dont need to import galleries... Nor do I want to have links to anyone else's stuff... I just want to have my OWN clips (That I have shot myself) and links back to MY site... I dont want to import anyone else's stuff...

Its not an exercise in using the tube format to become 'a tube' and get sales for other programs, with me acting as an affiliate...

Its an exercise in using the tube format to display MY stuff to MY customers in a tube format...

Which is the reason I just want something really simple....

But I think Im going to be disappointed..

Yeah. That is what I am doing with mine hoss.

I promote MY SHIT only.

farkedup · 10-25-2008, 10:54 AM

want a completely free script? http://entertainmentscript.com/free/ http://entertainmentscript.com/free.zip and here's a pornhub rip I've been playing with: http://entertainmentscript.com/free2/

it ONLY allows embed codes... Or there's my paid script for $40 that has a quick option to turn user uploads off and it has quite a bit of query caching in place to help it be even easier on servers.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-25-2008, 11:07 AM

Hit me up on ICQ later today, I have been looking for a few projects that people would be interested in, I can write one doing exactly what you need.

Zorgman · 10-26-2008, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerK

Tevs is a fake tube script.. However the guy who makes it keeps saying there is a update and that's been for almost a year. Decent script but a complete tool who owns it and he has no idea how to make money with it.

Thanks for your kind words.

I've just launched the 2nd wave of beta for v1.1, it should be out in 1 week now.

If v1.0 has too much then v1.1 has way too much for you.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-26-2008, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Thanks for your kind words.

I've just launched the 2nd wave of beta for v1.1, it should be out in 1 week now.

If v1.0 has too much then v1.1 has way too much for you.

Ignore him, hes obviously not a programmer and is one of those "make me a super script that can do everything, even make pancakes" and expect it to be 100% bug free and perfect in 3 hours time.

peeperpimp · 10-26-2008, 01:45 PM

try nubiles free tube script you can find it inside the nubiles webmaster area its not really fake cause it has all the features accept others cant upload anything.

Supz · 10-26-2008, 01:59 PM

just use a flash player on wordpress if you just want to post some of your videos

mmcfadden · 10-26-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by supzdotcom

just use a flash player on wordpress if you just want to post some of your videos

Can you use wordpress and allow others to embed your vid?

Kard63 · 10-26-2008, 03:08 PM

Saving this thread for later read..

Doctor Feelgood · 10-26-2008, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farkedup

want a completely free script? http://entertainmentscript.com/free/ http://entertainmentscript.com/free.zip and here's a pornhub rip I've been playing with: http://entertainmentscript.com/free2/

it ONLY allows embed codes... Or there's my paid script for $40 that has a quick option to turn user uploads off and it has quite a bit of query caching in place to help it be even easier on servers.

is there a way to make a video sitemap?

brassmonkey · 10-26-2008, 03:57 PM

farkedup i locked in at 30 bucks hope u saved me a copy

Rorschach · 10-26-2008, 03:58 PM

wordpress + JW Player + gallery plugin

Mark_E4A · 10-26-2008, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuyInTheCorner

You know how you can get fake TGP scripts? In other words a script that produces what 'looks' to be a TGP... But it doesn't have all the full features of a proper TGP script, ie no skim, you cant trade etc etc...

Does the same thing apply to tubes?

In other words is there a 'simple' script that can be used to create a small tubesite, but that doesn't have all the full features of a full blown tube?

Im thinking of just displaying my own trailers on it... Only about 100 clips to start, but I'd want it to 'look' like a full blown script... But I dont need to have user uploads, or a 'join scheme' or anything fancy...

Ideally, as it wont have mega traffic, Id like it to be something that can be run on a 'shared server' It doesn't need to be able to run on a 'virtual account', but Ideally it wont require a dedicated box either...

It would be really just a way to display my own clips and promos in a way that looks familiar to tube users?

If so, please post suggestions. I dont mind spending on a paid script... But I am new to entire tube thing anyway, so I dont even know if what Im asking for exists!

hit me on icq, i might have something for you
icq - 205700725

Zorgman · 10-26-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

Ignore him, hes obviously not a programmer and is one of those "make me a super script that can do everything, even make pancakes" and expect it to be 100% bug free and perfect in 3 hours time.

I get that all the time.

"I want a tube script that does every thing for me with 1 click, so I can do more important things -- and it has to know what I want and when I want it".

My reply is usually something like this

"Sure, im just waiting for Linux to update their AI (Artificial intelligence) software so I can launch TEVS v250.1".

Jim_Gunn · 10-26-2008, 05:35 PM

ThatGuy, have you not been following the million other recent tube script threads where people have been discussing the pros and cons of various free and paid tube scripts, both the ones that allow user uploading and the ones that don't? I would check out Nubiles or Vidiscript. One of these could be used as the basis of a "fake" or a full featured tube script using whatever features that they have, and they are both free. Or like some one else said, you can do something similar with Wordpress, and the JW player.

peeperpimp · 10-26-2008, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

ThatGuy, have you not been following the million other recent tube script threads where people have been discussing the pros and cons of various free and paid tube scripts, both the ones that allow user uploading and the ones that don't? I would check out Nubiles or Vidiscript. One of these could be used as the basis of a "fake" or a full featured tube script using whatever features that they have, and they are both free. Or like some one else said, you can do something similar with Wordpress, and the JW player.

I agree exacty, or he could even build a simple mgp and style / design the template according to his specs & what his cosmetic requirements are using that free smart thumbs script

Doctor Feelgood · 10-27-2008, 12:59 PM

which one automaticly makes a video sitemap for G to crawl?

candyflip · 10-27-2008, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Thanks for your kind words.

I've just launched the 2nd wave of beta for v1.1, it should be out in 1 week now.

If v1.0 has too much then v1.1 has way too much for you.

Launch that second wave my way. I'm usually pretty patient, but in this case...I CAN'T WAIT NO MORE!

Zorgman · 10-27-2008, 05:23 PM

Candyflip, been trying to contact you for a damn week now. ICQ or email me.

mmcfadden · 10-28-2008, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rorschach

wordpress + JW Player + gallery plugin

I think you replied to my question and thank you. I researched a bit on plugin's and JW Player and figured it out. Can't seem to embed on this forum but the capability is now their for affiliates

http://www.ishotthisvideo.com/webmasters.html

farkedup · 10-29-2008, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood

is there a way to make a video sitemap?

I should just be able to move the sitemap.php from the paid script over to this free one easy enough. DB structure is nearly the same.

Doctor Feelgood · 10-29-2008, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farkedup

I should just be able to move the sitemap.php from the paid script over to this free one easy enough. DB structure is nearly the same.

hook me up dude

Automagick · 10-30-2008, 12:14 PM

www.automagick.com does pretty much it.

brassmonkey · 10-30-2008, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGPTrades

www.automagick.com does pretty much it.

man whats up with the updates dude

Barefootsies · 10-30-2008, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

man whats up with the updates dude

Doctor Feelgood · 11-12-2008, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farkedup

I should just be able to move the sitemap.php from the paid script over to this free one easy enough. DB structure is nearly the same.

how long till videos show up on google video?

farkedup · 11-12-2008, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood

how long till videos show up on google video?

no clue, varies wildly... google is unbelievably unpredictable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Thanks for your kind words.

I've just launched the 2nd wave of beta for v1.1, it should be out in 1 week now.

If v1.0 has too much then v1.1 has way too much for you.

Its been a couple weeks since you posted this, is it out yet? did I miss it? I try to keep track of what various scripts are doing

tony286 · 11-12-2008, 04:24 PM

if its your own stuff, why not just make a webpage that looks tubish and embed the flash trailers.

HorseShit · 11-12-2008, 04:53 PM

tube money

Fabien · 11-26-2008, 11:47 AM

Anyone seen farkedup lately ?
I'm trying to get a hold of me regarding his script !

Tjeezers · 11-26-2008, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

man whats up with the updates dude

u toke the words right out of my mouth

Fabien · 11-28-2008, 08:44 AM

Bumped

Where is farkedup ?

HorseShit · 11-28-2008, 08:54 AM

who cares where farkedup is, his script is a lame duck in this field

Fabien · 11-29-2008, 06:41 AM

Well guess what ? I care ! I bought it !

Also, your conclusion is based on... ?

Fabien · 12-01-2008, 06:01 AM

Geeeee, is the guy still alive ??????

10-25-2008, 06:40 AM	#1
CurrentlySober Too lazy to wipe my ass Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A Public Bathroom Posts: 38,567	Is there such a thing as a 'Fake' tube script? You know how you can get fake TGP scripts? In other words a script that produces what 'looks' to be a TGP... But it doesn't have all the full features of a proper TGP script, ie no skim, you cant trade etc etc... Does the same thing apply to tubes? In other words is there a 'simple' script that can be used to create a small tubesite, but that doesn't have all the full features of a full blown tube? Im thinking of just displaying my own trailers on it... Only about 100 clips to start, but I'd want it to 'look' like a full blown script... But I dont need to have user uploads, or a 'join scheme' or anything fancy... Ideally, as it wont have mega traffic, Id like it to be something that can be run on a 'shared server' It doesn't need to be able to run on a 'virtual account', but Ideally it wont require a dedicated box either... It would be really just a way to display my own clips and promos in a way that looks familiar to tube users? If so, please post suggestions. I dont mind spending on a paid script... But I am new to entire tube thing anyway, so I dont even know if what Im asking for exists! __________________ My AI Handywork... My Dream Gal... XXX 👁️ 👍️ 💩

10-25-2008, 06:57 AM	#2
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10-25-2008, 08:50 AM	#10
KillerK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,406	Tevs is a fake tube script.. However the guy who makes it keeps saying there is a update and that's been for almost a year. Decent script but a complete tool who owns it and he has no idea how to make money with it.

10-25-2008, 08:58 AM	#12
CurrentlySober Too lazy to wipe my ass Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A Public Bathroom Posts: 38,567	Excuse my ignoarance, but is TEVS 'Sorties' script? If not, please provide linkage... I tried tevs.com but thats not it... __________________ My AI Handywork... My Dream Gal... XXX 👁️ 👍️ 💩

10-25-2008, 10:08 AM	#13
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10-25-2008, 10:12 AM	#14
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10-25-2008, 10:27 AM	#15
CurrentlySober Too lazy to wipe my ass Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A Public Bathroom Posts: 38,567	I looked at TEVs... But it may be a bit more than I need... You see, I dont want to promote anyone else's stuff on it... So I dont need to import galleries... Nor do I want to have links to anyone else's stuff... I just want to have my OWN clips (That I have shot myself) and links back to MY site... I dont want to import anyone else's stuff... Its not an exercise in using the tube format to become 'a tube' and get sales for other programs, with me acting as an affiliate... Its an exercise in using the tube format to display MY stuff to MY customers in a tube format... Which is the reason I just want something really simple.... But I think Im going to be disappointed.. __________________ My AI Handywork... My Dream Gal... XXX 👁️ 👍️ 💩

10-25-2008, 10:54 AM	#17
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11-12-2008, 04:24 PM	#43
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11-12-2008, 04:53 PM	#44
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11-26-2008, 11:47 AM	#45
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Anyone seen farkedup lately ? I'm trying to get a hold of me regarding his script !

11-28-2008, 08:44 AM	#47
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Bumped Where is farkedup ?

11-28-2008, 08:54 AM	#48
HorseShit Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,513	who cares where farkedup is, his script is a lame duck in this field

11-29-2008, 06:41 AM	#49
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Well guess what ? I care ! I bought it ! Also, your conclusion is based on... ?

12-01-2008, 06:01 AM	#50
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Geeeee, is the guy still alive ??????