Near-death experiences are real and we have the proof, say scientists - GoFuckYourself.com

The Duck · 11-14-2008, 09:42 AM

Do you think that you are your body and that your brain produces your mind and consciousness? I believe consciousness (your soul) is independent of our brain and body and that the body is merely a biological computer we use to experience this reality, which experimental physics is now providing evidence is an illusion in the form of a super hologram manifested by our collective consciousness. Kinda out there if you have no prior knowledge on the subject, I know

I recommend the book the holographic universe on the subject of illusory reality.

I will follow the progression of the experiment outlined in the article below with great interest.

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Jeanette Atkinson is surprisingly relaxed about the time she died and went to the edge of heaven.

?I do not want to die again in the near future because I still have too much to do,? she says. ?But I have no fear of death.

?People see the pain and suffering of dying and equate that with death - but they?re not the same. Death is the progression of life.?

Jeanette, a 43-year-old student nurse from Eastbourne, had a near-death experience in 1979 when she was just 18-years-old. It was triggered when a blood clot in her leg broke up into seven pieces and clogged the main vessels in her lungs, starving her body of oxygen. The doctors were certain that she would die. She did ? but then returned to tell the tale.

?The first thing I noticed was that the world changed,? says Jeanette. ?The light became softer but clearer. Suddenly there was no pain. All I could see was my body from the chest downwards and I noticed that the time was 9:00pm.

?In an instant I found myself looking at the ceiling. It was only a few inches away. I remember thinking it was about time they cleaned the dust from the striplights!

?I then went on a little journey around the ward and along the corridor to see what the nurses were up to. One was writing on a notepad. It never occurred to me that I was dying. It was a lovely experience and very, very serene.?

Jeanette then began the journey that many others before her have reported ? being drawn into a long dark tunnel suffused with light. ?Everything went fuzzy,? she says. ?I found myself being drawn into a tunnel shaped like a corkscrew.

?All I wanted to do was reach the beautiful lights at the bottom. The longing was so powerful but so gentle. I knew I desperately wanted to be there. But then a voice bellowed at me: ?Come on you silly old cow it?s not your time yet!?

?I then shot back into my body ? it?s all a little unclear ? all I can say is that I remember seeing the clock again and it was 9:20pm. The next thing I was aware of was waking up a few days later, surrounded by equipment and feeling terrible. Later on I realised that the voice I?d heard was my grandmother?s. She?d died when I was three years old.?

For decades near-death experiences like Jeanette?s have been written off as delusions by scientists. They are dismissed as no more than the last twitches of a dying brain. Modern science has no place for mysticism and the paranormal. But now a group of British researchers are challenging the scientific establishment by launching a major study into near-death experiences. They hope to settle once and for all the question of whether there truly is life after death.

?We now have the technology and scientific knowledge to begin exploring the ultimate question,? says Dr Sam Parnia, leader of the research team at London?s Hammersmith Hospital. ?To be honest, I started off as a sceptic but having weighed up all the evidence I now think that there is something going on.

?It?s not possible to talk in terms of ?life after death?. In scientific terms we can only say that there is now evidence that consciousness may carry on after clinical death. Our work will prove one way or the other whether a form of consciousness carries on after the body and brain has died.?

Several scientific studies have suggested that the mind ? or ?soul? - lives on after the body has died and the brain ceased to function. One study published in the prestigious Lancet medical journal found that one in ten cardiac arrest survivors experienced emotions, visions or lucid thoughts while they were clinically dead. In medical terms they were ?flatliners? or unconscious with no signs of brain activity, pulse or breathing.

About one in four people who have a near-death experience also have a much more profound ? and sometimes disturbing ? experience such as watching doctors try and resuscitate their bodies. These ?out-of-body experiences? often include seeing a bright light, traveling down a tunnel, seeing their dead body from above, and meeting deceased relatives.

Research in America has uncovered even more bizarre results. Blind people who underwent near-death experiences were able to see whilst they were ?dead? ? even those who had been blind from birth. They did not experience perfect vision, often it was out of focus or hazy, as if they were seeing the world for the first time through a thin mist. But the vision was sufficiently clear for them to watch doctors trying to resuscitate their clinically dead bodies.

Dr Parnia has previously studied near-death experiences. Two years ago his work was published in the prestigious medical journal Resuscitation. Dr Parnia?s team rigorously interviewed 63 cardiac arrest patients and discovered that seven had memories of their brief period of ?death?, although only four passed the Grayson scale, the strict medical criteria for assessing near-death experiences. These four recounted feelings of peace and joy, they lost awareness of their own bodies, time speeded up, they saw a bright light and entered another world, encountered a mystical being and faced a ?point of no return?.

According to modern medicine all of these patients were effectively dead. Their brains had shut down and no thoughts or feelings were possible. There was certainly no possibility of the complex brain activity required for dreaming or hallucinating.

Dr Parnia?s initial trial was especially rigorous - he wanted to confound his critics before they could muster their arguments. To rule out the possibility that near-death experiences resulted from hallucinations after the brain had collapsed through lack of oxygen, he rigorously monitored the concentrations of the vital gas in the patients? blood. Crucially, none of those who underwent the experiences had low levels of oxygen.

He was also able to rule out claims that unusual combinations of drugs were to blame because the resuscitation procedure was the same in every case, regardless of whether they had a near-death experience or not.

?Arch sceptics will always attack our work,? says Dr Parnia. ?I?m content with that. That?s how science progresses. What is clear is that something profound is happening. The mind ? the thing that is ?you? ? your ?soul? if you will - carries on after conventional science says it should have drifted into nothingness.?

Dr Parnia says that every near-death experience is subtly different but that they all share eight or nine key features, whatever the nationality, culture or religion of the patient. These include intense feelings of calmness, traveling down a long dark tunnel, being drawn into an intense loving light, seeing your dead body from above, and meeting long-deceased relatives or friends. A few experience a brief form of ?hell? where they are drawn, petrified, into a dark swirling well of bitterness, hatred and fear.

There are cultural differences in these experiences. Tribal people may report paddling in a canoe down a long dark river for three days towards the sun, for example, rather than floating down a tunnel towards the light. The experience, whatever the cultural differences, usually have a deep and long lasting effect. It often leaves behind a legacy of profound spirituality and removes the fear of death.

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Source: http://www.newsmonster.co.uk/paranor...cientists.html

The Duck · 11-14-2008, 09:43 AM

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?The worst thing is coming back from the dead,? says Patrick Tierney, who had a near-death experience following a cardiac arrest in 1991. ?If dying is anything like the experience I had then it?s not a problem.

Patrick was rushed to hospital in July 1991 following a heart attack. He survived the initial attack and within hours was chatting with his family at the bedside.

?I was talking to my wife and eldest boy when I felt a little pinch in my chest,? says Patrick. ?The next thing I knew I was travelling down a corridor in a medieval looking house. I was astounded. It was very real and lucid. I thought to myself ?what the hell?s going on??.

?I came to a fork in the corridor and I knew that I had to make a decision. One branch was a dark and sinister looking hole. The other was brightly lit and appeared friendly in some way, so I floated down that one.?

Patrick then found himself in a form of ?heaven?. He was in front of a beautifully lit landscape bordered with a waist-high white picket fence. He was instantly calmed and soothed by a beautiful translucent light.

He then became aware of his parents, who were behind the white fence, smiling broadly at him. Strangely, they were in their thirties despite the fact that they had both died in their seventies.

?I moved towards a gate in the fence but my father gave me a look that I knew meant ?don?t come through the gate?, so I didn?t. No words passed between us. I then found myself moving backwards through the corridor but this time it was very disturbing.

?Greeny-grey gargoyle-like figures were staring at me from the roof,? says Patrick. ?One, with a face like an evil goat, began to move towards me. All of the warmth and cosiness left and I was terrified. A moment later I saw the face of an angel - it was a nurse from the hospital. It turned out I?d had a cardiac arrest.?

Cardiac arrest survivors like Patrick are tailor-made for Dr Parnia?s study. Scientists know that within seconds of the heart stopping the brain has shut down completely. The patient is effectively dead and there is no chance of dreams or hallucinations mimicking a near-death experience.

As soon as a patient slips into a cardiac arrest, Dr Parnia?s team will swing into action. The first priority will be to get the patient?s heart beating again. Equipment used during the resuscitation will have symbols placed on top of it in such a way that they can only be seen from above. Other symbols will be placed around the patient?s body.

Surviving patients will then be gently quizzed about their experiences when they regain consciousness. Those that claim to have left their bodies will be questioned in more detail to see if they can identify the symbols.

Dr Parnia has designed the experiments to be bullet-proof. He is only too keenly aware that critics will tear his work apart if he leaves even the slightest doubt about the rigour of his team?s efforts. It will also destroy his career as a scientist. Even the exact experimental details are shrouded in secrecy.

?We can?t run the risk of prejudicing the experiment,? says Dr Parnia. ?I won?t even know some of the details. We have a researcher who will be hiding the symbols on the equipment. Somebody else will be doing the interviews with the patients. It?s what?s known as a double-blind trial. It prevents scientists from unconsciously altering the results of their experiments.?

Other scientists acknowledge Dr Parnia?s formidable reputation and the care he takes over his experiments but are still sceptical about his aims.

Dr Susan Blackmore, who has herself had a near-death experience but since written it off as a delusion, says such experiences ?probably result from random firings in the brain.?

?I think that people have near-death experiences not when they are flatlining but when they are drifting into or out of consciousness,? she says. ?Having said that, I?m curious to know the results. If they are positive then they could change the world.?

Because of the implications of his work ? and the potential for ridicule from his fellow scientists - Dr Parnia is being very cautious in the claims he is making for the study. He is not trying to prove that we all die and go to heaven. He is instead trying to find out whether the mind continues to function after the brain has effectively died, or at least ceased to function.

If the mind does continue after the brain has died then this will prove, by default, that the ?soul? is independent of the body. Dr Parnia will have proved that the mind ? in essence, the soul ? continues to live after the body has died.

?It comes back to the question of whether the mind or consciousness is produced by the brain,? says Dr Parnia. ?If we can prove that the mind is produced by the brain then I don't think that there is anything after we die. If the brain dies then we die. It?s final and irreversible.?

?If, on the contrary, the brain is like an intermediary which manifests the mind, like a television will act as an intermediary to manifest radio waves into a picture or a sound, then we should be able to show that the mind is still there after the brain is clinically dead. That will be a significant discovery.?

But all of the theories and questions posed by scientists are academic to those who have had a near-death experience. They know the answers.

?There is no doubt in my mind that there?s life after death because I?ve seen the other side,? says Jeanette. ?I don?t believe in a benevolent God. I?ve seen too much suffering for that but I?m very spiritual.

?I saw my daughter suffer for four years with cancer. She died when she was only 17. I know she has gone to a better place.?

Iron Fist · 11-14-2008, 10:01 AM

Cliffnotes?

WebairGerard · 11-14-2008, 10:04 AM

there are a few interesting books on the subject. all seem to have similar experiences.

The Duck · 11-14-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WebairGerard

there are a few interesting books on the subject. all seem to have similar experiences.

Yes, that fact is very interesting. It appears that this universe is just a tiny fraction, a frequency range if you will, of something much grander.

Tom_PM · 11-14-2008, 10:10 AM

The brain is a remarkable organ.

DWB · 11-14-2008, 10:19 AM

I died when I was 17. I also saw a white light that was very soothing and I wanted to go into it but I was pulled back and woke up in the hospital after a terrible car crash.

I've since read about 20 books on the topic and think that people are just hallucinating.

I don't believe it was life after death. I believe our brains releases something that causes us to hallucinate during times such as this or maybe even to help us die.

Only one way to know...

The Duck · 11-14-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I died when I was 17. I also saw a white light that was very soothing and I wanted to go into it but I was pulled back and woke up in the hospital after a terrible car crash.

I've since read about 20 books on the topic and think that people are just hallucinating.

I don't believe it was life after death. I believe our brains releases something that causes us to hallucinate during times such as this or maybe even to help us die.

Only one way to know...

This may be, but how can the brain produce an experience when it is clinically dead with no activity at all? I would be interested in hearing your story if you dont mind.

jmcb420 · 11-14-2008, 10:45 AM

I had a near death experience once. Nothing like you always hear about though, no bright light or any such thing.
It was really dark and warm and all i could hear was backwards voices and lots of screaming.

CDSmith · 11-14-2008, 10:46 AM

Back in the late 80's during my hospital-working years I was witness to something like this. On a geriatric ward I was on at the time a little old east-indian fellow coded and later died. He was pronounced dead by a physician, and was so for 20 minutes.... then he came alive again.

20 minutes. Think about it.

He went on the books as a documented resurrection. I even remember his name to this day. This incident is first-hand, as I saw this unfold with my own eyes so I know it's true. He spoke very little English so details of what his experiences were and what he might have seen while "dead" are sketchy, but there you have it. If I was doubtful before about the existance of such things I certainly wasn't after that.

Scott McD · 11-14-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The brain is a remarkable organ.

Yet some people still refuse to use it...

Brujah · 11-14-2008, 11:11 AM

Sounds a bit like lucid dreaming or just dreaming to me. If that's the experience when death arrives, doesn't seem like a bad way to go.

SmokeyTheBear · 11-14-2008, 11:18 AM

i had a near death experience that changed my life, infact i was working on a website to share my experience and teach others how to experience it without dying.

The Duck · 11-14-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i had a near death experience that changed my life, infact i was working on a website to share my experience and teach others how to experience it without dying.

Tell us more smokey!

Fucksakes · 11-14-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kandah

Tell us more smokey!

they say your brain releases 5meodmt and dmt when you die....

fuck I can't find that article.. dmt is released when you die causing you to see shit..

Pineal gland
http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html

BVF · 11-14-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcb420

I had a near death experience once. Nothing like you always hear about though, no bright light or any such thing.
It was really dark and warm and all i could hear was backwards voices and lots of screaming.

Well I guess we know where you're headed to when you die...

DWB · 11-14-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kandah

This may be, but how can the brain produce an experience when it is clinically dead with no activity at all? I would be interested in hearing your story if you dont mind.

I wish I had some of the books here to point you in the right direction of some fantastic reading on this subject.

May believe, self included, that when you die or are very near death your brain releases this chemical that takes you out of life and into death. The same as out body can send antibodies to help fight off infections of a wound or brilliant bodies also know when we are dying and can also help us with that.

Regardless if your heart stops beating and a doctor says you are dead, some studies show that your brain still continues to show some activity just for a little bit after your heart stops. This is when this chemical is believed to be released and into this state a human goes.

A human may THINK it lasts for longer than it does, but in reality it's only seconds or even milliseconds. The same as when you are on shrooms or acid and you think you zoned out for an hour and it's been 1 minute. When in certain states we are unable to accurately log or perceive time. This part has been proven in several studies about how humans perceive time. So we can't expect it to be any different in an hallucinogenic state during the time of possible death, or even during the actual moment of death.

Agent 488 · 11-14-2008, 12:22 PM

when you're done with the website smokey post it. sounds interesting.

The Duck · 11-14-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fucksakes

they say your brain releases 5meodmt and dmt when you die....

fuck I can't find that article.. dmt is released when you die causing you to see shit..

Pineal gland
http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html

DMT is also known as the spirit molecule and is known to cause spiritual experiences that can not be explained with conventional science. Much like psylocybin and acid, I do not think these alter your mind to hallucinate per say, rather they alter the way you decode reality. Maybe the release of DMT while dying is a way for the body to prepare the consciousness for migrating to the next frequenzy, reality, dimension or whatever.

DWB · 11-14-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Sounds a bit like lucid dreaming or just dreaming to me. If that's the experience when death arrives, doesn't seem like a bad way to go.

I also lucid dream from time to time and can say it's NOT the same for the simple fact that while lucid dreaming you can control the dream. Near death you can not control anything, you are just moving towards a light or a tunnel and then someone or something pulls you back. You do not go of your own free will and control the dream, otherwise you would choose to cross into "heaven" if you want to call it that and do what you want from there. Me, I'd take that joint over if I could control what was going on.

DWB · 11-14-2008, 12:24 PM

BTW... one book for ANYONE to read if they are interested in life after death or just how amazing the body is and the possibility of a "god" that may or may not have created it. Fucking fantastic read!

Read this book: "A GLORIOUS ACCIDENT"

pr0 · 11-14-2008, 12:34 PM

As soon as a patient slips into a cardiac arrest, Dr Parnia?s team will swing into action. The first priority will be to get the patient?s heart beating again. Equipment used during the resuscitation will have symbols placed on top of it in such a way that they can only be seen from above. Other symbols will be placed around the patient?s body.

Surviving patients will then be gently quizzed about their experiences when they regain consciousness. Those that claim to have left their bodies will be questioned in more detail to see if they can identify the symbols.

Dr Parnia has designed the experiments to be bullet-proof. He is only too keenly aware that critics will tear his work apart if he leaves even the slightest doubt about the rigour of his team?s efforts. It will also destroy his career as a scientist. Even the exact experimental details are shrouded in secrecy.

neat i wonder if anyone has identified the symbols yet

i know plenty of people who can leave their bodies like this during deep meditation, we should start testing them with symbols too

fusionx · 11-14-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kandah

This may be, but how can the brain produce an experience when it is clinically dead with no activity at all? I would be interested in hearing your story if you dont mind.

A dream that seems to last for hours actually takes place in a matter of seconds or minutes.

Most NDE's are fairly short, which would mean that they could, in reality, only "exist" for a matter of seconds.

Plus, the actual timing of the experience is up for debate. It could be that just before the moment of total failure, the last dying gasp, so to speak, is filled with brain activity in the form of a rapid dream. The recollection of the timing of the experience would be similar to trying to remember the specific time you had a dream last night. It's pretty much impossible

czarina · 11-14-2008, 12:36 PM

why isn't the collective conscience projecting me with blonde hair to my butt, blue eyes and a body like Kim Kardashian's?

collegeboobies · 11-14-2008, 12:40 PM

I've heard DMT is released in your brain so death is not painful

Fucksakes · 11-14-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kandah

DMT is also known as the spirit molecule and is known to cause spiritual experiences that can not be explained with conventional science. Much like psylocybin and acid, I do not think these alter your mind to hallucinate per say, rather they alter the way you decode reality. Maybe the release of DMT while dying is a way for the body to prepare the consciousness for migrating to the next frequenzy, reality, dimension or whatever.

that is what I wanted to say.

The Duck · 11-14-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fusionx

A dream that seems to last for hours actually takes place in a matter of seconds or minutes.

Most NDE's are fairly short, which would mean that they could, in reality, only "exist" for a matter of seconds.

Plus, the actual timing of the experience is up for debate. It could be that just before the moment of total failure, the last dying gasp, so to speak, is filled with brain activity in the form of a rapid dream. The recollection of the timing of the experience would be similar to trying to remember the specific time you had a dream last night. It's pretty much impossible

Interesting, but for dreams the brain activity is almost like in a wakeful state, and according to the article above no activity like that has been recorded in the cases studied. You are right about the fact that dreams may last for one hour for the one experiencing it while in the outside world not much time have passed at all. Also this does not explain how people have floated above their own body to see doctors work hard to bring them back to life.

This raises another impossible question, is the passage of linear time an illusion?

SmokeyTheBear · 11-14-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kandah

Tell us more smokey!

don't wanna go into great detail because its hard to tell part of a story and its a long one. Needless to say after experiencing one , my take on it is that we don't understand time very well.

fusionx · 11-14-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

why isn't the collective conscience projecting me with blonde hair to my butt, blue eyes and a body like Kim Kardashian's?

It does when I close my eyes

fusionx · 11-14-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kandah

This raises another impossible question, is the passage of linear time an illusion?

I am in line with most of the current thought about how our brains kind of restrict and give order to what we experience in our universerse.

Given that we intake info in only 5 ways, and that our senses are really pretty weak, eg, our eyes only see a tiny fraction of the known spectrum of light energy, it also follows that time as we know it could simply be another way the brain creates order out of chaos, to keep us from going insane

stev0 · 11-14-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fucksakes

they say your brain releases 5meodmt and dmt when you die....

fuck I can't find that article.. dmt is released when you die causing you to see shit..

Pineal gland
http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html

I was going to say... these near death experiences sound just like DMT trips! lol

qxm · 11-14-2008, 01:16 PM

Yeap, near death experiences (NDE) as well as Out of body experiences (OBE) are scientifically proven hallucinations alright

The Duck · 11-14-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by qxm

Yeap, near death experiences (NDE) as well as Out of body experiences (OBE) are scientifically proven hallucinations alright

I take it you did not read the article in the original post...

hominid4 · 11-14-2008, 01:35 PM

Although I'm not a believer it's still pretty interesting.

Calico Jack · 11-14-2008, 01:39 PM

A very interesting read and one that poses more questions than answers. A lot of food for thought there.

Mr Pheer · 11-14-2008, 01:40 PM

I had a near death experience on August 6, 2003.

I too saw a bright white light. But it turned out to just be the headlights of the truck that ran over me.

I'm pretty sure that when you're dead, its totaly dark. Thats it, game over. Sure hope I'm right.

qxm · 11-14-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kandah

I take it you did not read the article in the original post...

yeap... that was just my bot trying to be relevant... I am in charge now

AtlantisCash · 11-14-2008, 02:00 PM

İ have read the whole article, it proves again and again that, this whole planets, Galaxies, Humans, Animals and anything else can not be existent without a Master...

Thanks Kandah, it was a Nice read.

andy83 · 11-14-2008, 02:10 PM

interesting read... well everything will be proven when ur time is due..

After Shock Media · 11-14-2008, 02:44 PM

I will just ask one simple question.

Why do people going through high G centrifical testing also experience the same effects, visions, feels, disorientation, time issues, and out of body experiences as those who have died and come back?

The Duck · 11-14-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I will just ask one simple question.

Why do people going through high G centrifical testing also experience the same effects, visions, feels, disorientation, time issues, and out of body experiences as those who have died and come back?

That's interesting, cant find anything on google, do you have something I can read?

Big Red Machine · 11-14-2008, 03:56 PM

People are dying to find out what death is like

After Shock Media · 11-14-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kandah

That's interesting, cant find anything on google, do you have something I can read?

I would have to really dig a bit online to find it probably. I caught it watching a few shows on the discovery channel. (could of been National geographic channel, or the science channel but I doubt it).

halfpint · 11-14-2008, 04:08 PM

I always wondered if animals have the similar experiences as humans just before death.

The Duck · 11-15-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Red Machine

People are dying to find out what death is like

Funny guy :p

D Ghost · 11-15-2008, 07:15 PM

very interesting read

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Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Cliffnotes? __________________ i like waffles

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WebairGerard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 8,113	there are a few interesting books on the subject. all seem to have similar experiences. __________________

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	The brain is a remarkable organ. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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jmcb420 So Fucking Drunk Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,155	I had a near death experience once. Nothing like you always hear about though, no bright light or any such thing. It was really dark and warm and all i could hear was backwards voices and lots of screaming. __________________ I'm funner than AIDS, and easier to explain to your parents.

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CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Back in the late 80's during my hospital-working years I was witness to something like this. On a geriatric ward I was on at the time a little old east-indian fellow coded and later died. He was pronounced dead by a physician, and was so for 20 minutes.... then he came alive again. 20 minutes. Think about it. He went on the books as a documented resurrection. I even remember his name to this day. This incident is first-hand, as I saw this unfold with my own eyes so I know it's true. He spoke very little English so details of what his experiences were and what he might have seen while "dead" are sketchy, but there you have it. If I was doubtful before about the existance of such things I certainly wasn't after that. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	I died when I was 17. I also saw a white light that was very soothing and I wanted to go into it but I was pulled back and woke up in the hospital after a terrible car crash. I've since read about 20 books on the topic and think that people are just hallucinating. I don't believe it was life after death. I believe our brains releases something that causes us to hallucinate during times such as this or maybe even to help us die. Only one way to know...

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11-14-2008, 12:22 PM	#18
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	when you're done with the website smokey post it. sounds interesting.

11-14-2008, 12:24 PM	#21
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	BTW... one book for ANYONE to read if they are interested in life after death or just how amazing the body is and the possibility of a "god" that may or may not have created it. Fucking fantastic read! Read this book: "A GLORIOUS ACCIDENT"

11-14-2008, 12:34 PM	#22
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	As soon as a patient slips into a cardiac arrest, Dr Parnia?s team will swing into action. The first priority will be to get the patient?s heart beating again. Equipment used during the resuscitation will have symbols placed on top of it in such a way that they can only be seen from above. Other symbols will be placed around the patient?s body. Surviving patients will then be gently quizzed about their experiences when they regain consciousness. Those that claim to have left their bodies will be questioned in more detail to see if they can identify the symbols. Dr Parnia has designed the experiments to be bullet-proof. He is only too keenly aware that critics will tear his work apart if he leaves even the slightest doubt about the rigour of his team?s efforts. It will also destroy his career as a scientist. Even the exact experimental details are shrouded in secrecy. neat i wonder if anyone has identified the symbols yet i know plenty of people who can leave their bodies like this during deep meditation, we should start testing them with symbols too __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

11-14-2008, 12:36 PM	#24
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,745	why isn't the collective conscience projecting me with blonde hair to my butt, blue eyes and a body like Kim Kardashian's?

11-14-2008, 12:40 PM	#25
collegeboobies So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,644	I've heard DMT is released in your brain so death is not painful

11-14-2008, 01:16 PM	#32
qxm Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NoHo Posts: 5,970	Yeap, near death experiences (NDE) as well as Out of body experiences (OBE) are scientifically proven hallucinations alright __________________ ICQ: 266990876

11-14-2008, 01:35 PM	#34
hominid4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 71	Although I'm not a believer it's still pretty interesting. __________________ Adults Only eCards! : Free Adult eCards

11-14-2008, 01:39 PM	#35
Calico Jack Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,051	A very interesting read and one that poses more questions than answers. A lot of food for thought there. __________________ Got Foot Fetish Traffic? These sites will make you $$$... Footsie Babes - Hot Legs & Feet - Kink's Foot Worship - Black Meat White Feet NAKED HOSTING (Certified Hosting)...Adult Web Hosting at its FINEST! Signup Here!

11-14-2008, 01:40 PM	#36
Mr Pheer I got bored here. Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 20,812	I had a near death experience on August 6, 2003. I too saw a bright white light. But it turned out to just be the headlights of the truck that ran over me. I'm pretty sure that when you're dead, its totaly dark. Thats it, game over. Sure hope I'm right.

11-14-2008, 02:00 PM	#38
AtlantisCash Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Istanbul - Turkiye Posts: 3,169	İ have read the whole article, it proves again and again that, this whole planets, Galaxies, Humans, Animals and anything else can not be existent without a Master... Thanks Kandah, it was a Nice read. __________________ Kız telefonları \| Telefonda seks sohbet Last edited by AtlantisCash; 11-14-2008 at 02:01 PM..

11-14-2008, 02:10 PM	#39
andy83 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,605	interesting read... well everything will be proven when ur time is due.. __________________ Available Skimmed Traffic Available Ad Spots BUY NICHE BANNER CLICKS OR IMPRESSIONS, SELL YOUR SPOTS FOR A FLAT RATE, SELL YOUR AD SPOTS WITH PROTRAFFIC.COM

11-14-2008, 02:44 PM	#40
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I will just ask one simple question. Why do people going through high G centrifical testing also experience the same effects, visions, feels, disorientation, time issues, and out of body experiences as those who have died and come back? __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

11-14-2008, 03:56 PM	#42
Big Red Machine Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: XXXBigRed@Twitter Posts: 9,586	People are dying to find out what death is like __________________ ICQ:475437214

11-14-2008, 04:08 PM	#44
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	I always wondered if animals have the similar experiences as humans just before death. __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net

11-15-2008, 07:15 PM	#46
D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	very interesting read