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DeanCapture · 12-08-2008, 09:49 PM

I've been having a conversation wth a friend of mine.....and our discussion revolved around integrity. What it is, why it's important to have it and what happens when you lose it. I told him that.....people partly perceive you by the kinds of people that you have as friends and the kinds of people that you do business with. For instance, if you hang around and do business with good honest hard working people, you will be perceived as someone with a lot of integrity and you will be seen as a good honest hard working person yourself. On the other hand, if you hang around scammers and thieves and you do business with scammers and thieves, you will be perceived as....a scammer and a thief. In that instance, you will not be seen as a person with integrity. To be honest, I don't think my friend understands this concept. Or maybe he does understand this concept but just chooses to not acknowledge it for some reason.

So I just wanted to ask some of you to explain what integrity means to you. Specifically, how important is it that you be perceived as someone with integrity and how important is it that those you do business with have integrity?

- Jesus Christ - · 12-08-2008, 09:53 PM

To me integrity means holding true to your principals no matter what the cost.

Sometimes it does NOT mean honesty though. I can think of situations where honesty is not necessary to maintain integrity.

Example: "Lies of omission" to protect someone.

CDSmith · 12-08-2008, 09:57 PM

Good post Dean. Too bad the ones who need to heed it the most don't know they're one of the ones that needs to heed it the most.

It's the "Jerks don't know they're jerks" rule.

- Jesus Christ - · 12-08-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

It's the "Jerks don't know they're jerks" rule.

You underestimate the power of greed...

They know.

Blingbaby · 12-08-2008, 10:01 PM

As a species integrity is really more of an ideal. It's a dog eat dog world, just put someone against the wall and you will see how quickly they change. The fact that you don't know they are up against a wall does not make them morally lacking..

mynameisjim · 12-08-2008, 10:10 PM

Will this thread get deleted?

Tempest · 12-08-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Blingbaby

As a species integrity is really more of an ideal. It's a dog eat dog world, just put someone against the wall and you will see how quickly they change. The fact that you don't know they are up against a wall does not make them morally lacking..

Depending on "the wall", people can make allowances for a lapse in integrity.. But that's not 99% of those who lack integrity.

teentime · 12-08-2008, 10:51 PM

A thread on "integrity" on a porn board!
What a hoot.

And the first reply is from "Jesus" who says
"Sometimes it does NOT mean honesty though"

This is like a Monty Python routine!

Keep it up guys, I haven't had a good laugh like this in a long while!

- Jesus Christ - · 12-08-2008, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teentime

A thread on "integrity" on a porn board!
What a hoot.

And the first reply is from "Jesus" who says
"Sometimes it does NOT mean honesty though"

This is like a Monty Python routine!

Keep it up guys, I haven't had a good laugh like this in a long while!

You are of the opinion porn is immoral (why are you reading a porn industry forum?) the majority here disagree and apparently you have never had to protect a woman's feelings.

Glad you crack yourself up.

baddog · 12-08-2008, 11:17 PM

My greatest asset.

Halcyon · 12-08-2008, 11:21 PM

I spent a lot of time with my grandpa during his final 2 years. I can say with absolute certainty that if you walk the walk of your values, you will find yourself rich beyond measure, regardless of your bank account.

PornstarXS · 12-08-2008, 11:58 PM

integrity is very important, especially if you want others to trust you. you can warn people all you want but until they get burned they will keep shrugging off advice. the best thing about integrity is it becomes your spidey sense. you know when something seems wrong, investigate and you're intuition is proven to be correct. so a man with integrity severs ties with losers, conviction scum, rat bastards, weasels, cheaters and does it his way and makes 20x more money in a year... just speaking hypothetically of course

losers will always bring the hard working honest people down, whether it's their shitty upbringing, their stupidity, their height, their mullet or their insecurities. best thing to do is ignore them and work hard, because they will be working on their next scam until they get caught again. pig vomit

pocketkangaroo · 12-09-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

I spent a lot of time with my grandpa during his final 2 years. I can say with absolute certainty that if you walk the walk of your values, you will find yourself rich beyond measure, regardless of your bank account.

I was at NBC.com yesterday looking to see if they had online episodes of a show I like. I clicked on a show and saw your face on my screen. Congrats for hitting the big time!

Iron Fist · 12-09-2008, 12:53 AM

If you want to earn trust, you need integrity.

RedShoe · 12-09-2008, 02:42 AM

A friend of mine used to drive around in an Honda Intergrty, but then he upgraded to an SUV. I forget the make and model. Maybe a Toyota Highlanders.

ContentSHOOTER · 12-09-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I've been having a conversation wth a friend of mine.....and our discussion revolved around integrity. What it is, why it's important to have it and what happens when you lose it. I told him that.....people partly perceive you by the kinds of people that you have as friends and the kinds of people that you do business with. For instance, if you hang around and do business with good honest hard working people, you will be perceived as someone with a lot of integrity and you will be seen as a good honest hard working person yourself. On the other hand, if you hang around scammers and thieves and you do business with scammers and thieves, you will be perceived as....a scammer and a thief. In that instance, you will not be seen as a person with integrity. To be honest, I don't think my friend understands this concept. Or maybe he does understand this concept but just chooses to not acknowledge it for some reason.

So I just wanted to ask some of you to explain what integrity means to you. Specifically, how important is it that you be perceived as someone with integrity and how important is it that those you do business with have integrity?

When I started in this business integrity did exist, I did business with people I never met and still doing business with the same people tens years later and still have not met some of them face to face. A few phone calls but for the most part e-mails.... Scammers yeah, I would say this industry is ripe with them now.... Very few with true integrity left in this business.... Excellent post Dean

hypedough · 12-09-2008, 02:49 AM

It's really late for a lengthy reply, but all I really wanted to say was that Dean, you're having a lot of deep-thinking threads lately. I appreciate them and hats off to you bro.

DeanCapture · 12-09-2008, 09:42 AM

Good stuff here guys

notime · 12-09-2008, 12:54 PM

Bill Gates & Clinton had the biggest amount of cash and the absolute power....they are now doing things for a good cause most of the time.
I guess after you've had all the money and power in the world, it still did not feel rewarding enough but helping others actually does feel good.

Fletch XXX · 12-09-2008, 01:00 PM

So what now?
Where do we go from here?
The damage is so severe
and what you've done will never fucking be repaired
But whats done is done, son
You'll never understand,
but here we are again, yeah here i am again
And what the fuck is it gonna take?
How am I ever gonna make myself a man again
and bring myself to stand again?
On my own two fucking feet
You better tell me what to do cus its you this time that failed me
You failed me
You failed us all
Nothing left for us to say
Nothing more between you and me
All my trust is gone
But never my vindication, vindication
So what the fuck?
Where do we go from here?
The damage is done so bite your tongue
because your words will never be sincere
Whats done is done, son
You'll never understand
Blood on my hands again
Thats what its gonna fucking take
And you can bet your ass im gonna make you pay
The time has come for you to see
What you've done, what 'ive become and how you failed me
You failed me
You failed us all
Nothing left for us to say
Nothing more between you and me
All my trust is gone
But never my vindication
You cant take my pride away from me
The one thing you'll never take away
You cant take my pride away from me and thats all there is to say
You cant kill integrity
And thats all there is to say
You cant take my pride from me
But i have one thing left to say
Pay your debt to me

You cant kill integrity

Halcyon · 12-09-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I was at NBC.com yesterday looking to see if they had online episodes of a show I like. I clicked on a show and saw your face on my screen. Congrats for hitting the big time!

really? SWEET!!

ya know, when I auditioned, it was actually my integrity they liked best.

doridori · 12-09-2008, 01:17 PM

integrity has a price.

skrinkladoo · 12-09-2008, 01:28 PM

I'm fresh out, anyone know where i can score some more integrity?

DamageX · 12-09-2008, 01:32 PM

In this context I think the definition would be "GFY got none".

borked · 12-09-2008, 01:40 PM

If you have integrity, nothing else matters.
If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters.

CDSmith · 12-09-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by doridori

integrity has a price.

Often the alternative comes with a much higher price tag, especially in the long run.

Halcyon · 12-09-2008, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked

If you have integrity, nothing else matters.
If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters.

genius. love it.

Trixie · 12-09-2008, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teentime

A thread on "integrity" on a porn board!
What a hoot.

And the first reply is from "Jesus" who says
"Sometimes it does NOT mean honesty though"

This is like a Monty Python routine!

Keep it up guys, I haven't had a good laugh like this in a long while!

Integrity and porn are not mutually exclusive terms, you simple-minded fucktard.

JP-pornshooter · 12-09-2008, 04:34 PM

"soundness of moral character"
all the clients i shoot for have been "scammed" by photographers/producers, many of them post on this board. i think only in adult is it acceptable and passed by sort of like " i kinda expected that, doing business in adult, i should have known not to trust those people".

Trixie · 12-09-2008, 04:36 PM

Random thoughts:

I have enough integrity to know that I don't always act with it.

I think I've deluded myself into thinking integrity and honesty were the same thing, but as I grow up I realize that's not always true.

It's important to me to challenge people's assumptions and stereotypes by showing that you can be a whore and a pornographer and still have oodles of integrity.

CaptainHowdy · 12-09-2008, 04:41 PM

Does anyone stick to their guns on the ever-changing biz such as this?

Trixie · 12-09-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Does anyone stick to their guns on the ever-changing biz such as this?

I'm willing to compromise a lot of my values in order to make money, mostly because I realize the only way to challenge some of the unethical things that bug me in this industry is to make more money to have 1) the resources and 2) the "respect" to make or influence positive changes.

There's the whole battle/war dilemma. Sometimes you have to take strategic losses in order to stay in the game and get ahead. I see a lot of people who refuse to compromise at all on ethical issues who get absolutely nowhere because they're so busy trying to control their image and conduct themselves with integrity that they make no money and are extremely ineffective in making positive changes in line with their ethics. Bitching and resisting don't go very far in promoting your agenda.

At least that's what I try to remind myself.

tony286 · 12-09-2008, 05:01 PM

I dont understand why people think you can't have integrity and work in the porn industry. Is it just the justification be able to do fuck up things, well Im in porn I can't have integrity. I call bullshit, I think those same people wouldn't have integrity no matter what business they are in.

doridori · 12-09-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Often the alternative comes with a much higher price tag, especially in the long run.

true, but what i meant was that everyone has a price. even honor, integrity, can be bought for if the price is right.

Robbie · 12-09-2008, 11:53 PM

Integrity to me means taking care of my family and making as much as I can for my kids futures. I worry more about people that I truly love and not so much for competitors in my profession, though I do care and respect quite a few of them. Pretty sure that's the way it is in every field. At least in every field that members of my family have been in and the stories they tell. I can only speak for the music biz and the adult biz. It's dog eat dog.

d-null · 12-10-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Integrity to me means taking care of my family and making as much as I can for my kids futures. .....

I hate when people throw out that tired line

Read it again and look at the words, you are basically saying that lying cheating and stealing are fine in the context of integrity if it will make my kids rich

I disagree strongly with your justification and definition of integrity

DamageX · 12-10-2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Integrity to me means taking care of my family and making as much as I can for my kids futures.

That has ZERO to do with integrity. It's simple self-preservation instinct. Get your definitions straight.

d-null · 12-10-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

That has ZERO to do with integrity. It's simple self-preservation instinct. Get your definitions straight.

it's not even that, you can have self-preservation while maintaining integrity, it is not necessary to lie cheat and steal to survive

his definition is just an excuse that even the most heinous of criminals could follow

Robbie · 12-10-2008, 12:13 AM

Guys, I am in business to take care of my family. Whatever definitions of integrity you have are up to you. I'm simply stating fact. If you guys are in this for any other reasons then more power to you. I'm saying that I work very, very hard. And very long hours. I never take a day off. I'm always trying to do things better even if it's just by a cunt hair. I'm not really sure where integrity comes into play when I'm sitting here working on all my websites all day and/or shooting scenes for claudia-marie.com I only know that MY goal is to make money for my family. EVERYTHING else is secondary. Whether you like it or not is of no concern to me. Nor should you be concerned with what people who are competing with you for the consumers dollar think either.

Anyone that has ever done business with me knows I'm as honest as they come and a person with more drive would be hard to find. All this other stuff is cool. But I'm not sure what the point of it is? To pat ourselves on the back and congratulate each other for being good people? Hell, I thought that was supposed to be a given. Not an achievement.

Robbie · 12-10-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by d-null

it's not even that, you can have self-preservation while maintaining integrity, it is not necessary to lie cheat and steal to survive

his definition is just an excuse that even the most heinous of criminals could follow

Now I'm compared to the most heinous of criminals for taking care of my family? lol Only on GFY, only on GFY...

And no, SELF preservation would be throwing my wife, kids, grandfather, parents, and assorted others under the bus and moving to Cancun and living like a king. I give away so damn much money and end up spending my days working my ass off...lol What the hell am I thinking!

d-null · 12-10-2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

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Anyone that has ever done business with me knows I'm as honest as they come and a person with more drive would be hard to find. All this other stuff is cool. But I'm not sure what the point of it is? To pat ourselves on the back and congratulate each other for being good people? Hell, I thought that was supposed to be a given. Not an achievement.

no, integrity has nothing to do with "creating a public image", integrity is something that is within you and done for yourself

you are selling yourself short by putting out a definition like you said in the previous post, as it seems by your statement above that you do have a sense of integrity

Robbie · 12-10-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by d-null

no, integrity has nothing to do with "creating a public image", integrity is something that is within you and done for yourself

you are selling yourself short by putting out a definition like you said in the previous post, as it seems by your statement above that you do have a sense of integrity

I think my integrity is a personal matter and can't be tested here on a porn message board. Quite frankly anybody could come on here and talk a big game about their integrity and it means nothing. I know who I am and what I think. And you know who you are and what you think.

It would have been easy for me to come on this thread and just give the standard line that everyone else is giving...and I coulda got the cheap pop from the crowd. Instead, I chose to tell the truth. I'm really not sure where integrity comes into play with what I do. I mean...what I do on a daily basis isn't "good" or "bad" It's just work.

No, if someone offered me a good chunk of change to fuck a bunch of people over...I wouldn't. Because I know that I can outwork all you motherfuckers and still make money LOL

But since that doesn't really come up in my day to day work...it's a non-factor.

So are the people in this thread all saying that they are tempted by millions of dollars each day by evil people and they stand tall and refuse because of their integrity? Or is this just a self-congratulatory thread based on conjecture of what we all MIGHT have the integrity to do IF the situation were to come up?

Because if that's the case then yes, I'm with you. I'm Mr. Integrity.

Now, I'll just return to cueing up galleries, writing blogs, and editing video. All the while trying to keep my integrity AND my heinous criminal thoughts of taking care of my family in check.

d-null · 12-10-2008, 12:35 AM

I never said "your thoughts were heinous" by the way, just that the definition you put out there was loose enough that any heinous criminal could use it to fit their own cause, even though in your case you subscribe to the hard work and honest interactions with people method

and you are right, it doesn't matter what anyone here thinks or says, integrity is a personal thing that you make a choice to have or not have, it makes no difference if anyone else sees it or not

my opinion matters none, but I do think you are an honest guy and I wish you the best in your business ventures

Robbie · 12-10-2008, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-null

I wish you the best in your business ventures

I wish me the best too...

Just kidding. LOL! Thank you sir.

Fletch XXX · 12-10-2008, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Guys, I am in business to take care of my family. Whatever definitions of integrity you have are up to you.

–noun
1. adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.
2. the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished: to preserve the integrity of the empire.
3. a sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition: the integrity of a ship's hull.

i think everyone here "takes care of their family" this has nothing to do with definition of integrity though.

people who go out of their way on "GFY" to tell others how honest and good they are, are the ones who have the most to cover up.

beware of goodguy badges

"Man is a selfish creature. Everything in life is a selfish act. Man is not concerned with helping others, yet he wants others to believe he is! [...] The first rule of the prideful is to make an exhibition of piety and charity, with a Goodguy Badge to pin to his lapel. Man cannot progress one step further towards his own godhood until he removes that Goodguy Badge" Anton Lavey

12-08-2008, 09:49 PM	#1
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	Integrity - Got Some? I've been having a conversation wth a friend of mine.....and our discussion revolved around integrity. What it is, why it's important to have it and what happens when you lose it. I told him that.....people partly perceive you by the kinds of people that you have as friends and the kinds of people that you do business with. For instance, if you hang around and do business with good honest hard working people, you will be perceived as someone with a lot of integrity and you will be seen as a good honest hard working person yourself. On the other hand, if you hang around scammers and thieves and you do business with scammers and thieves, you will be perceived as....a scammer and a thief. In that instance, you will not be seen as a person with integrity. To be honest, I don't think my friend understands this concept. Or maybe he does understand this concept but just chooses to not acknowledge it for some reason. So I just wanted to ask some of you to explain what integrity means to you. Specifically, how important is it that you be perceived as someone with integrity and how important is it that those you do business with have integrity? __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

12-08-2008, 09:53 PM	#2
- Jesus Christ - Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ::::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: ::::::\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|:::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::: Posts: 7,197	To me integrity means holding true to your principals no matter what the cost. Sometimes it does NOT mean honesty though. I can think of situations where honesty is not necessary to maintain integrity. Example: "Lies of omission" to protect someone. __________________ Amen Last edited by - Jesus Christ -; 12-08-2008 at 09:55 PM..

12-08-2008, 09:57 PM	#3
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Good post Dean. Too bad the ones who need to heed it the most don't know they're one of the ones that needs to heed it the most. It's the "Jerks don't know they're jerks" rule. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

12-08-2008, 10:10 PM	#6
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12-08-2008, 11:21 PM	#11
Halcyon Spread The Pink! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: TrampStampStudios.com Posts: 8,609	I spent a lot of time with my grandpa during his final 2 years. I can say with absolute certainty that if you walk the walk of your values, you will find yourself rich beyond measure, regardless of your bank account. __________________ HAL on TEDx:

12-08-2008, 10:01 PM	#5
Blingbaby Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,079	As a species integrity is really more of an ideal. It's a dog eat dog world, just put someone against the wall and you will see how quickly they change. The fact that you don't know they are up against a wall does not make them morally lacking..

12-08-2008, 10:51 PM	#8
teentime Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 94	A thread on "integrity" on a porn board! What a hoot. And the first reply is from "Jesus" who says "Sometimes it does NOT mean honesty though" This is like a Monty Python routine! Keep it up guys, I haven't had a good laugh like this in a long while!

12-08-2008, 11:17 PM	#10
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	My greatest asset.

12-08-2008, 11:58 PM	#12
PornstarXS Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 358	integrity is very important, especially if you want others to trust you. you can warn people all you want but until they get burned they will keep shrugging off advice. the best thing about integrity is it becomes your spidey sense. you know when something seems wrong, investigate and you're intuition is proven to be correct. so a man with integrity severs ties with losers, conviction scum, rat bastards, weasels, cheaters and does it his way and makes 20x more money in a year... just speaking hypothetically of course losers will always bring the hard working honest people down, whether it's their shitty upbringing, their stupidity, their height, their mullet or their insecurities. best thing to do is ignore them and work hard, because they will be working on their next scam until they get caught again. pig vomit __________________ PornstarXS.com \| TheSacrilege.com \| LezBeGirlfriend.com \| DudeYourMomIsHot.com ICQ 104847307 webmaster @ pornstarxs.com Check out some of my cartoons

12-09-2008, 12:53 AM	#14
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	If you want to earn trust, you need integrity. __________________ i like waffles

12-09-2008, 02:42 AM	#15
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12-09-2008, 02:49 AM	#17
hypedough Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Now running NATS4: HypeDough.com! Posts: 3,743	It's really late for a lengthy reply, but all I really wanted to say was that Dean, you're having a lot of deep-thinking threads lately. I appreciate them and hats off to you bro. __________________ Ricky D :: Hype Dough President \| XBIZ.net \| ICQ 172-939-826 AIM+Skype HypeDough \| [NATS4] Kayden420: ['09 '10 '11 XBIZ Nominee \| Exclusive & HD] \| ThePornScout: [Exclusive + Reality \| Amateurs Want to Become Pornstars]

12-09-2008, 09:42 AM	#18
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	Good stuff here guys __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

12-09-2008, 12:54 PM	#19
notime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: cyberspace Posts: 8,021	Bill Gates & Clinton had the biggest amount of cash and the absolute power....they are now doing things for a good cause most of the time. I guess after you've had all the money and power in the world, it still did not feel rewarding enough but helping others actually does feel good.

12-09-2008, 01:00 PM	#20
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	So what now? Where do we go from here? The damage is so severe and what you've done will never fucking be repaired But whats done is done, son You'll never understand, but here we are again, yeah here i am again And what the fuck is it gonna take? How am I ever gonna make myself a man again and bring myself to stand again? On my own two fucking feet You better tell me what to do cus its you this time that failed me You failed me You failed us all Nothing left for us to say Nothing more between you and me All my trust is gone But never my vindication, vindication So what the fuck? Where do we go from here? The damage is done so bite your tongue because your words will never be sincere Whats done is done, son You'll never understand Blood on my hands again Thats what its gonna fucking take And you can bet your ass im gonna make you pay The time has come for you to see What you've done, what 'ive become and how you failed me You failed me You failed us all Nothing left for us to say Nothing more between you and me All my trust is gone But never my vindication You cant take my pride away from me The one thing you'll never take away You cant take my pride away from me and thats all there is to say You cant kill integrity And thats all there is to say You cant take my pride from me But i have one thing left to say Pay your debt to me You cant kill integrity __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

12-09-2008, 01:17 PM	#22
doridori So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canadia Posts: 2,222	integrity has a price.

12-09-2008, 01:28 PM	#23
skrinkladoo Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Florida - "Fuck Bitches and Fight Crime - It's all we do! Posts: 629	I'm fresh out, anyone know where i can score some more integrity? __________________ * Andrew Love * Services: (1) Web Design, (2) Graphic Design, (3) E-commerce, (4) Database Development, (5) Web Analytics, (6) Targeted Lead Generation, (7) Marketing and Consulting Mainstream: Successful Website Landing Page Design \| ICQ: 360-83-9627

12-09-2008, 01:32 PM	#24
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	In this context I think the definition would be "GFY got none". __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

12-09-2008, 01:40 PM	#25
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters. __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

12-09-2008, 04:34 PM	#29
JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	"soundness of moral character" all the clients i shoot for have been "scammed" by photographers/producers, many of them post on this board. i think only in adult is it acceptable and passed by sort of like " i kinda expected that, doing business in adult, i should have known not to trust those people".

12-09-2008, 04:36 PM	#30
Trixie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: near Seattle, WA Posts: 1,850	Random thoughts: I have enough integrity to know that I don't always act with it. I think I've deluded myself into thinking integrity and honesty were the same thing, but as I grow up I realize that's not always true. It's important to me to challenge people's assumptions and stereotypes by showing that you can be a whore and a pornographer and still have oodles of integrity. __________________ WebWhoreBucks: Girls, a guy and a tranny -- unique indie porn!

12-09-2008, 04:41 PM	#31
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,356	Does anyone stick to their guns on the ever-changing biz such as this? __________________ "Tjeezers.cam wishes you a nice day”

12-09-2008, 05:01 PM	#33
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I dont understand why people think you can't have integrity and work in the porn industry. Is it just the justification be able to do fuck up things, well Im in porn I can't have integrity. I call bullshit, I think those same people wouldn't have integrity no matter what business they are in.

12-09-2008, 11:53 PM	#35
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Integrity to me means taking care of my family and making as much as I can for my kids futures. I worry more about people that I truly love and not so much for competitors in my profession, though I do care and respect quite a few of them. Pretty sure that's the way it is in every field. At least in every field that members of my family have been in and the stories they tell. I can only speak for the music biz and the adult biz. It's dog eat dog. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

12-10-2008, 12:13 AM	#39
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Guys, I am in business to take care of my family. Whatever definitions of integrity you have are up to you. I'm simply stating fact. If you guys are in this for any other reasons then more power to you. I'm saying that I work very, very hard. And very long hours. I never take a day off. I'm always trying to do things better even if it's just by a cunt hair. I'm not really sure where integrity comes into play when I'm sitting here working on all my websites all day and/or shooting scenes for claudia-marie.com I only know that MY goal is to make money for my family. EVERYTHING else is secondary. Whether you like it or not is of no concern to me. Nor should you be concerned with what people who are competing with you for the consumers dollar think either. Anyone that has ever done business with me knows I'm as honest as they come and a person with more drive would be hard to find. All this other stuff is cool. But I'm not sure what the point of it is? To pat ourselves on the back and congratulate each other for being good people? Hell, I thought that was supposed to be a given. Not an achievement. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

12-10-2008, 12:35 AM	#43
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	I never said "your thoughts were heinous" by the way, just that the definition you put out there was loose enough that any heinous criminal could use it to fit their own cause, even though in your case you subscribe to the hard work and honest interactions with people method and you are right, it doesn't matter what anyone here thinks or says, integrity is a personal thing that you make a choice to have or not have, it makes no difference if anyone else sees it or not my opinion matters none, but I do think you are an honest guy and I wish you the best in your business ventures