Pirates bay on trial

[Tanker]

nor sure if anyone posted this or not its a interesting read

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...-bay-crew.html

[dial]

they have nice shirt logos

[notime]

new laws in scandinavia...
they are looking at a few years behind bars if the news sites are correct

[fatfoo]

Interesting read, thanks.

[Sebastian Sands]

lol.. they say we are not crooks, .. but yet call themselves Pirates.. clowns

[dial]

one thing you HAVE to admit, those dudes and that site are making more history than they even realize

100 years from now when all is said and done, they WILL be on the history books...I would venture to guess they will even be taught as "world history" in schools

[Bake]

Lets hope that soon they will be Ass pirates

[bronco67]

Technically, you could say that they're not really guilty of anything. Morally and ethically, they are bastards, and I hope they get what's coming to them.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by notime

new laws in scandinavia...
they are looking at a few years behind bars if the news sites are correct

of course that was what the news sites said the last time these guys were hauled into court and they beat that rap completely.

since that time product placement has become significantly more prevelant
canada recognized things like a piracy tax turns what would normally be piracy into a licienced behavior. Which means they had the potential to argue the exact same thing is true with product placement.

add the fact that timeshifting to a cloud has been legitimized (50+% of tv shows)

and the 1 download = 1 lost sale has been repealed too.

this is going to be an uphill battle for the procecution to win this one. They might be able to villify them enough to get them convicted on the first trial but that will not work when it is infront of a judge, instead of jury.

[Dirty F]

Stocklhom ?

[mynameisjim]

Despite all their pioneering talk, all they will end up doing is cause the pendulum to swing in the other direction hard and the net will be much less free-wheeling place than it was before once this all gets sorted out.

Just thought I would point that out to everyone who supports these clowns. The owners of the pirate bay get their fame and ego boost but they are actually hurting your cause if you support file sharing.

[Iron Fist]

Wonder if they will update their legal page and continue to be smartasses about being served this time.

[Adam X]

interesting to say the least.. this should be a landmark of sorts when it pans out.

Gottfrid looks like friggin Redbeard the Pirate. ;)

[Cyandin]

Long live TPB!!

[boneprone]

Owner is a great guy.
Had lunch and wine with him when he was in the US last.

He is scared of the dentist but not the law cracking down on him..
I have his phone number. Will sell it to the higest bidder.

I can assure you if things get to hot the guy can easily disappear.

[Kick Ass Chat]

Originally Posted by dial

one thing you HAVE to admit, those dudes and that site are making more history than they even realize

100 years from now when all is said and done, they WILL be on the history books...I would venture to guess they will even be taught as "world history" in schools

So would a mass axe murderer, so what does that mean?

[pornguy]

They are fucking idiots.

[notime]

Originally Posted by boneprone

Owner is a great guy.
Had lunch and wine with him when he was in the US last.

He is scared of the dentist but not the law cracking down on him..
I have his phone number. Will sell it to the higest bidder.

I can assure you if things get to hot the guy can easily disappear.

You sound like Tony Soprano here
(JK)

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

of course that was what the news sites said the last time these guys were hauled into court and they beat that rap completely.

since that time product placement has become significantly more prevelant
canada recognized things like a piracy tax turns what would normally be piracy into a licienced behavior. Which means they had the potential to argue the exact same thing is true with product placement.

add the fact that timeshifting to a cloud has been legitimized (50+% of tv shows)

and the 1 download = 1 lost sale has been repealed too.

this is going to be an uphill battle for the procecution to win this one. They might be able to villify them enough to get them convicted on the first trial but that will not work when it is infront of a judge, instead of jury.

The good part isn't what happens in the trial at all.

The good part is they are having to "timeshift" a shitload of money (that they don't deserve to have anyway) to pay their legal expenses! lol So I guess they will be "timeshifting" their money from their bank account to a "cloud" which will then rain down on the biggest crooks of all: Lawyers

I hope it costs them every bit as much as they made off the backs of other people's hard work while they openly laughed about it on their website. Their arrogance in posting all that trash talk is going to haunt them when they are in front of a judge.

Then they will have "fair use" of some big black cock when they accidentally drop the soap in the shower and have a big load of prison sperm timeshifted into their clouds.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The good part isn't what happens in the trial at all.

The good part is they are having to "timeshift" a shitload of money (that they don't deserve to have anyway) to pay their legal expenses! lol So I guess they will be "timeshifting" their money from their bank account to a "cloud" which will then rain down on the biggest crooks of all: Lawyers

there getting procecuted by the state, so they and use PD if they want and put all their money in swiss bank accounts if they want

I hope it costs them every bit as much as they made off the backs of other people's hard work while they openly laughed about it on their website. Their arrogance in posting all that trash talk is going to haunt them when they are in front of a judge.

exactly the same oppinion as the last time the cops came after them. All that happened is the free publicity made them even bigger than before.

Then they will have "fair use" of some big black cock when they accidentally drop the soap in the shower and have a big load of prison sperm timeshifted into their clouds.

well it would be club fed at the worst that they would be going to, so they will be playing chess with other white collar criminals. or be under house arrest while they appeal.

That assuming they lose this time, and considering how "likely" it was that they would lose last time. I would not hold my breath.

[Blazed]

PB will be running for many years to come.

[james_clickmemedia]

very important case.

[chelis]

They're walking at the edge of a cliff. The net may change in many ways depending on what happens with this case. They got big balls, that's a fact..

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by notime

new laws in scandinavia...
they are looking at a few years behind bars if the news sites are correct

retroactively ?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The good part isn't what happens in the trial at all.

The good part is they are having to "timeshift" a shitload of money (that they don't deserve to have anyway) to pay their legal expenses! lol So I guess they will be "timeshifting" their money from their bank account to a "cloud" which will then rain down on the biggest crooks of all: Lawyers

I hope it costs them every bit as much as they made off the backs of other people's hard work while they openly laughed about it on their website. Their arrogance in posting all that trash talk is going to haunt them when they are in front of a judge.

Then they will have "fair use" of some big black cock when they accidentally drop the soap in the shower and have a big load of prison sperm timeshifted into their clouds.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

PIRATEBAY FTW!!!!

(actually i prefer demonoid for all my 'stealing your shit' needs...)

[KillerK]

bump for a great website

[ExLust]

Nice read.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

there getting procecuted by the state, so they and use PD if they want and put all their money in swiss bank accounts if they want

Yeah, that's what I'd do with my big source of income...use a fucking public defender. Gideon, you kill me with some of your stuff bro.

[wootpr0n]

The only reason they are going down is because they are so cocky. Foreign countries hate the US and don't appreciate US companies/government policies trying to influence them.

But lawyers have huge egos. If you call yourself the PIRATE bay, and you don't have a DMCA policy, and you say "in your face" to any legal notice you get and mock them on your website, then some lawyers are going to make it their mission to bring you down.

Ultimately, the lawyers know that it will do absolutely nothing to stop piracy, but they found themselves some people to make an example of. I mean, the pirate bay was just asking for it.

And they still have no respect. He called the prosecutor a clown and wondered if he passed fifth-grade math.

If they said, we believe what we are doing is legal, for fair use, time-shifting, not actually distributing the files, etc and responded to DMCA requests instead of mocking them, 100% they would not be on trial today. They might get sued by the MPAA in a US court, and they could just ignore that.

If it is a jury trial, and the jury decides to follow the LAW, they could get convicted. But if the jury decides to follow their own thoughts, and a good number of the jury will be supporting The Pirate Bay, then they will be acquitted, and Hollywood will shit its pants because it will be an In Your Face and let them operate forever without any more problems.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by wootpr0n

If it is a jury trial, and the jury decides to follow the LAW, they could get convicted. But if the jury decides to follow their own thoughts, and a good number of the jury will be supporting The Pirate Bay, then they will be acquitted, and Hollywood will shit its pants because it will be an In Your Face and let them operate forever without any more problems.

actually if they were to follow the law they could not get convicted, because quite simple a torrent does not contain any copyrighted material within (no direct). Swedish law has no contributory infringement. And inducement to infringe would require stretching the law to cover the simple act of putting up the torrent, instead of an actual push/direction to infringe (ie BUYING advertising telling people you can "steal" the stuff on my site) that it is currently written.

That being said, their antics could allow them to be villified enough that a jury would choose to stretch the law to extend to "letting" google index their site, and convict them of the inducement charge. but even if they actually do that the pirate bay could argue

1. no seeder gives away a working copy of the file (no infringement to induce)
2. product placement like the piracy tax in canada turns what would normally be infringement into a licienced distribution (no infringement to induce)
3. Out of scope distribution does not cost a sale and is therefore fair use (no infringement to induce)
4. people have a right to access shift their viewing rights from one medium to another (no infringement to induce)

the absolute worst thing for the MPAA/copyright holders is that pirate bay would be forced to win their freedom by making one of these points. Because if they do, all torrent sites, world wide would be legal.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, that's what I'd do with my big source of income...use a fucking public defender. Gideon, you kill me with some of your stuff bro.

what exactly "if they wanted too" do you not understand.

That being said, if they do what they did the last time, one of the guys will hire a really good lawyer, pass all the information to the others. And the remaining 3 will demand PD, for no other reason then to force the government to pay both sides of the trial.

basically the PD would have to be paid by the government, to review/comment on the work of the "real" lawyer.

[gideongallery]

http://torrentfreak.com/50-of-charge...ropped-090217/

day 1. 50% of the charges have been dropped

[Ron2k1]

Yesterday I was talking about this with a friend and we came to the conclusion you can also find torrent links and Warez in Google.com

So how about sites like Google? Will they also filter censor illegal stuff soon?

[Ron2k1]

Live stream outside court in Stockholm

http://bambuser.com/channel/spectrial/broadcast/67570

[The Duck]

After the first day the defense was victorious. The prosecutor has removed a lot of accusation points and the piratebay team is way more knowledgable in the technology behind it then the prosecutor team and the police technicians.

It looks like the piratebay will live on and that the owners will be freed of all charges.

This may sound bad for us but in reality this is a victory for freedom in general and the continuum of the free and unregulated internet.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Bake

Lets hope that soon they will be Ass pirates

[Davy]

Originally Posted by Ron2k1

So how about sites like Google? Will they also filter censor illegal stuff soon?

If they felt any moral obligation, they should.
Unfortunately, they don't.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by dial

one thing you HAVE to admit, those dudes and that site are making more history than they even realize

100 years from now when all is said and done, they WILL be on the history books...I would venture to guess they will even be taught as "world history" in schools

Says the guy with there logo in his sig....

[bobby666]

we'll se what future brings

[Machete_]

You idiots can try and spin it as much as you want. Bottom line is, they facilitate the theft of content, and make a huge profit doing so.

I cant wait till they get thrown in jail and get ass raped by the middle-eastern gangsters running the inside of the Swedish jails

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

You idiots can try and spin it as much as you want. Bottom line is, they facilitate the theft of content, and make a huge profit doing so.

I cant wait till they get thrown in jail and get ass raped by the middle-eastern gangsters running the inside of the Swedish jails

you do realize copyright infringement is a white collar crime, which means at worst they are going to serving time at club fed.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

you do realize copyright infringement is a white collar crime, which means at worst they are going to serving time at club fed.

You have very little knowledge of the swedish legal system. He will be put in the same areas as drug and financial crime. Guess what group of people run the inside of those sections? Say hello to Mr. Ali from Pakistan and Mr. Umbuku from Gambia.

I hope their next version of TPB will be a "prison inmate P2P", where those dudes get forced to smugle a Cellphone in to the prison by hiding it in their anus.

I'm not against P2P. I use it to distribute our 4x4 movies. But im against idiots (like you) who think its just fun and games, when sites like TPB make a huge profit facilitating the theft of other peoples content.

[beemk]

"In just a few days they collected the necessary 25.000 kronor (about $3.000) on the web to finance the trip."

do they not make any $ with the sites?

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

You have very little knowledge of the swedish legal system. He will be put in the same areas as drug and financial crime. Guess what group of people run the inside of those sections? Say hello to Mr. Ali from Pakistan and Mr. Umbuku from Gambia.

I hope their next version of TPB will be a "prison inmate P2P", where those dudes get forced to smugle a Cellphone in to the prison by hiding it in their anus.

I'm not against P2P. I use it to distribute our 4x4 movies. But im against idiots (like you) who think its just fun and games, when sites like TPB make a huge profit facilitating the theft of other peoples content.

This has resulted in prosecutor Håkan Roswall having to drop all charges relating to ?assisting copyright infringement?, so the remaining charges are simply ?assisting making available?. ?Everything related to reproduction will be removed from the claim,? he said.

all they are accused of now is "assisting making available". which should not be to hard to get by since, a torrent seeder NEVER MAKES THE COMPLETE FILE AVAILABLE, but only non working pieces.

IF they convicted of that, it falls into the same catagory as fraud/money laundering crime, which will be club fed not the cellblock with murders/drug dealers and bank robbers.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

all they are accused of now is "assisting making available". which should not be to hard to get by since, a torrent seeder NEVER MAKES THE COMPLETE FILE AVAILABLE, but only non working pieces.

IF they convicted of that, it falls into the same catagory as fraud/money laundering crime, which will be club fed not the cellblock with murders/drug dealers and bank robbers.

as I said before "drug and financial crime" is the sections they will be placed in. There are NO club fed in the swedish jailsystem.

"assisting making available" is just another word for facilitating, and that is how I have descriped them from day1

Like O.J, Joe Francis and Max Hardcore, they are fucking naive if they think they can get away with that forever.

If they had any brains, they would have done like Janus Friis, build it and sell it to the people that needs it/provided the content that made it possible. But they dont. They are a bunch of kids who think they can walk on water, due to the predated swedish legal system. Now the legal system was updated, and they will be run in to the ground.

Maybe not this time, but in the end they will. They always do. Look at what happened to Christian Riesen aka. "Simon Moon" from Gowenna/Sharereactor. The same will happen to TPB and anyone that follows in the future

[Fletch XXX]

He lived up to his defiant reputation Sunday, calling his prosecutor a "clown," and saying he doubted that the prosecutor passed fifth-grade math.

probably dead on too.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

as I said before "drug and financial crime" is the sections they will be placed in. There are NO club fed in the swedish jailsystem.

"assisting making available" is just another word for facilitating, and that is how I have descriped them from day1

Like O.J, Joe Francis and Max Hardcore, they are fucking naive if they think they can get away with that forever.

If they had any brains, they would have done like Janus Friis, build it and sell it to the people that needs it/provided the content that made it possible. But they dont. They are a bunch of kids who think they can walk on water, due to the predated swedish legal system. Now the legal system was updated, and they will be run in to the ground.

Maybe not this time, but in the end they will. They always do. Look at what happened to Christian Riesen aka. "Simon Moon" from Gowenna/Sharereactor. The same will happen to TPB and anyone that follows in the future

edonkey is a file identifying schema, torrent is a session idenifying schema.
All the pirate bay has to do is take a book (copyrighted material) put it thru a shredder, put the pieces in a garbage bag. Then they point out torrent breaks the file up in a similar way, spread those incomplete and non functioning pieces all across the network.

then all they have to say is "if you were to extend edonkey ruling to a torrent you would have to make the act of shredding copyright material the criminal act of making it available too ... because the shreding example is an order of magnitude worse since all the non working pieces are stored in the same container."

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

as I said before "drug and financial crime" is the sections they will be placed in. There are NO club fed in the swedish jailsystem.

"assisting making available" is just another word for facilitating, and that is how I have descriped them from day1

Like O.J, Joe Francis and Max Hardcore, they are fucking naive if they think they can get away with that forever.

If they had any brains, they would have done like Janus Friis, build it and sell it to the people that needs it/provided the content that made it possible. But they dont. They are a bunch of kids who think they can walk on water, due to the predated swedish legal system. Now the legal system was updated, and they will be run in to the ground.

Maybe not this time, but in the end they will. They always do. Look at what happened to Christian Riesen aka. "Simon Moon" from Gowenna/Sharereactor. The same will happen to TPB and anyone that follows in the future

oh and btw

In February 2008 a Swiss district court finally sentenced the prior owner of Sharereactor to a fine of 2,000 CHF ( $1,827.11 USD ) nearly four years after the website was first shut down by the authorities.

so basically make a million dollars pay under 2k in fines.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by boneprone

Owner is a great guy.
Had lunch and wine with him when he was in the US last.

He is scared of the dentist but not the law cracking down on him..
I have his phone number. Will sell it to the higest bidder.

I can assure you if things get to hot the guy can easily disappear.

I was expecting "I fucked him"