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cherrylula · 05-08-2009, 07:49 PM

Yeah we will probably home school our kid. I can't stand institutions.

After Shock Media · 05-08-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

Yeah we will probably home school our kid. I can't stand institutions.

Not sure if many share my feelings but I always am very suspect of home schooling. Kids often just turn out weird and honestly knowing many people - they are not smart enough to teach kids much of anything. Almost always seems like the parents that are demanding and supportive enough over their kids educations, end up with kids that excelled in the schools already - sort of look how many Asian and Indian families can get perfect educations from even bad schools.

Sly · 05-08-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Not sure if many share my feelings but I always am very suspect of home schooling. Kids often just turn out weird and honestly knowing many people - they are not smart enough to teach kids much of anything. Almost always seems like the parents that are demanding and supportive enough over their kids educations, end up with kids that excelled in the schools already - sort of look how many Asian and Indian families can get perfect educations from even bad schools.

When I was in high school I had some neighbors that were homeschooled. They were nice and incredibly smart... but sort of odd. Their dad was sort of an authoritarian type and they fell right under his commands. Was very strange to be 16 and know other people my age that more or less worshiped their parents, LOL.

I don't know if that's across the board or not... but I definitely don't think it's healthy for parents to be around there tween/teen kids that much and vice versa. For the very small kids, "maybe" it's okay... but you would really need to push the social group aspect so they can meet other kids.

Is your ICQ broke?

kane · 05-08-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Not sure if many share my feelings but I always am very suspect of home schooling. Kids often just turn out weird and honestly knowing many people - they are not smart enough to teach kids much of anything. Almost always seems like the parents that are demanding and supportive enough over their kids educations, end up with kids that excelled in the schools already - sort of look how many Asian and Indian families can get perfect educations from even bad schools.

I have to agree. I think a lot of parents can handle basic stuff, but not a lot of the other stuff. I consider my mom to be a pretty smart woman, but I know she could have never taught me what I learned in my high school chemistry and biology classes.

voa · 05-08-2009, 08:58 PM

that is pretty weird

PabloEscobar · 05-08-2009, 09:22 PM

Hey Adult Broker when waas the last time you even saw your kid?
Did she come to visit when you were being treated for " exhaustion/flu/ cocaine overdose" in phoenix?

Times must be tough that you c an't afford $4- perhaps you should stop doing blow?
You are a disgrace to single moms evrywhere.

Happy Mothers Day

PS You pay homeowners taxes????

Bahahahaha on which house?

Tuller?

Maple?

Tennesse PL?

They are all rentals- you are a liar.

Looks like you have moved a few times in the last few years...

What r u running from???

PabloEscobar · 05-08-2009, 09:23 PM

PS yes, I know your real name and know all about you....

Keep making these silly posts, you will only open yourself up for more scrutinee

PabloEscobar · 05-08-2009, 09:47 PM

where r u running????????

cosis · 05-08-2009, 09:58 PM

little bastards

After Shock Media · 05-08-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Is your ICQ broke?

Working from new laptops right now which I am slowly adding programs too. I was needing to get a lot of work done without much interruption so I have not installed it yet and been doing strictly email/gtalk/aim (cause gtalk and aim work together). Need to see if I can get icq to work with it since icq/aim are compatible and same company.

Socks · 05-08-2009, 10:51 PM

Seems strange to have not addressed the water fountain issue.

Please, please, please don't come back in here and tell us you're upset over a water fee, AND you have a problem with your kid drinking tap water... Please.

Next, it's a request. Why don't you say no? You should ask to be added to their "do not call" list perhaps, that will really piss them off!

baddog · 05-08-2009, 10:54 PM

You know, you could just say no.

Fletch XXX · 05-09-2009, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Kids often just turn out weird and honestly knowing many people

This is the single most uninformed assumption made about home schooling.

Its actually one of the top myths people fall prey to when they are not familiar with homeschooled children.

too many studies have been done to prove the opposite: homeschool;ed children are often more social and better at social events etc...

http://ezinearticles.com/?Homeschool...ling&id=200297

http://www.heav.org/basicinfo/specialneeds/myths.html

http://www.pregnancy.org/article/rid...ooled-children

they call them myths for a reason

Fletch XXX · 05-09-2009, 05:08 AM

and another:

http://school.familyeducation.com/ho...ons/56224.html

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Dr. Raymond Moore, author of over 60 books and articles on human development, has done extensive research on homeschooling and socialization. His book, The Hurried Child, should be in every homeschooler's library. "The idea that children need to be around many other youngsters in order to be 'socialized,'" Dr. Moore writes, "is perhaps the most dangerous and extravagant myth in education and child rearing today."

the tests are simple: they take large groups of kids, put them together and see who is more social and handles it better.... guess what? Home schooled kids talk better, control themselves m0ore, have better social skills all around... read up on the tests not spread myths.

Sausage · 05-09-2009, 05:12 AM

Wow ... 3rd world public health system, 3rd world education system (and thats being generous) ... great to live in the US eh ?

Well unless you have money..

Fletch XXX · 05-09-2009, 05:16 AM

I could go on lol

http://murphylibrary.uwlax.edu/digit...wyttenbach.pdf

homeschooled children score better in "self control, responsibility, cooperation" etc...

Quote:

"it would appear that few homeschooled children are socially deprived, and that there may be sufficient evidence to indicate that some home schooled children have a higher self concept than conventionally schooled children"

k though, Im done, gotta write out some long emails now and get some work done before play7 time today, its the weekend guys! have fun!

DWB · 05-09-2009, 06:20 AM

You have two options:

1) Move out of California or at the very least the area you are in. Find a better school that fits the needs of your family.

2) Lose the kid.

IllTestYourGirls · 05-09-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Kane with vouchers the money is attached to the student. It also allows them to attend any school. Can be anything from a private, to religious, to state ran, to a for profit school. There would be very little to stop small schools from opening. Also would hopefully allow for specialized high schools, where the focus of the school is one career/educational path.
In essence it would be a full reboot. No real union control. Schools compete for the students and money. Some schools may insist on extra money to attend them and the parents could use the voucher as a credit. No inflated school boards, administrators, etc. Market should then determine who survives.

This about sums it up. Take for example the DC voucher program. Most of the private schools were charging HALF what the public schools were charging per student. The private schools had way higher test scores at HALF the cost.

The free market was proving to provide a better education at a lower cost.

So of course the logical thing for the dems and Obama to do is STOP the voucher program.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-09-2009, 09:40 AM

After Shock Media · 05-09-2009, 12:29 PM

Fletch it may be a statistical myth. I pretensed it the way that I did because it was my opinion which was created by my experiences. The handful of home schooled kids I have met, only 1 seemed "normal".
Now I never declared them facts nor anything else so had no intention to spread any myths. I even asked if other people share my feelings or not.

kane · 05-09-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I could go on lol

http://murphylibrary.uwlax.edu/digit...wyttenbach.pdf

homeschooled children score better in "self control, responsibility, cooperation" etc...

k though, Im done, gotta write out some long emails now and get some work done before play7 time today, its the weekend guys! have fun!

I have only known thee home schooled kids in my life and I didn't know them until adulthood, but they all told me the same thing. The one thing they struggled with (and the three were all home school all the way through high school) was that when they got out into the world (one of them went college, one a trade school and the third just got a job) was that they had some trust issues. They tell me one of the problems with home schooling is that when your teachers are your parents (or people you know really well) there is no dealing with people who don't like you. When you go to regular school you will have people you don't like, teachers you don't like and people and teachers who don't like you and part of the process is learning how to deal with them because in life you will be encountering the same. When you are home schooled you might get in trouble, but in the end you know pretty much everyone that surrounds you loves you unconditionally so you never have to deal with people that really don't like you.

So these people told me they were having to learn how to deal with that type of drama and conflict resolution at 18 when most of us learn how to deal with it at 12.

Anyway, I'm sure that doesn't apply to every home schooled kid, but the three people I have known in my life that were fully home schooled all told me that.

baddog · 05-09-2009, 12:48 PM

Most home schooled kids I have encountered were socially inept. There is no way parents can teach interaction with their peers.

BVF · 05-09-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete-KT

Send them to a private school then hun. everything is better at private schools anyways

you ever had a kid in private school? They still beg for extra shit. Makes me want to tell them to give me the REAL tuition cost up front and stop nickel and diming me to death

Peaches · 05-09-2009, 04:01 PM

My son used to play on a soccer team that was around 75% homeschooled kids. They had the same few that were odd, same that were exceptional, same that were average as any other school. The problem arises when you can't offer what the private or public systems can offer. I know for a fact I never could have taught my son the AP Calculus, AP Physics, etc. that he took as a senior. Heck, I'm pretty sure he passed me up academically around the 7th grade! And in that county, if you "exceeded" what the school could offer you, the district paid for you to attend college classes as well as providing transportation. The homeschooling parents I know always offered public or private school to their kids and usually by high school they would leave homeschooling.

Charter school was the best thing that happened to the county I lived in when my son was in school. All the money donated by the parents went to the school instead of the county - like it was previously. They also instituted a program where every Wed. the kids got out at noon. They could get tutored, participate in inschool clubs, or even take the time to go to the doctor/dentist/orthodontist so they didn't miss school. Plus at the beginning of the year the school sent home a letter that basically said "Donate $50 (or whatever it was) now and we'll never have another fund raiser all year". Best. Idea. Ever. About 90% of the mothers were SAHM so there was a lot of volunteering done there too. We had a lot of big wigs who sent their kids there instead of private school.

As far as private school, I went to one that is now $18K per year. That doesn't include food, sports, books (which are about the same price as college books), field trips, etc. We were always having bake sales or some other fund raiser. To this day I still get a letter and/or call every year to donate to the alumni fundraiser. Asking for money isn't public school specific.

As with all things, if you don't like it, change it. If you can't change it, change yourself and move to a different district/private or homeschool.

seeandsee · 05-09-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

at least Obama wants every child to be equally miserable and under educated (well... except for his children that attend private school). Yay for fairness!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p..._wShs&refer=us

Pleasurepays · 05-09-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I have only known thee home schooled kids in my life and I didn't know them until adulthood, but they all told me the same thing. The one thing they struggled with (and the three were all home school all the way through high school) was that when they got out into the world (one of them went college, one a trade school and the third just got a job) was that they had some trust issues. They tell me one of the problems with home schooling is that when your teachers are your parents (or people you know really well) there is no dealing with people who don't like you. When you go to regular school you will have people you don't like, teachers you don't like and people and teachers who don't like you and part of the process is learning how to deal with them because in life you will be encountering the same. When you are home schooled you might get in trouble, but in the end you know pretty much everyone that surrounds you loves you unconditionally so you never have to deal with people that really don't like you.

So these people told me they were having to learn how to deal with that type of drama and conflict resolution at 18 when most of us learn how to deal with it at 12.

Anyway, I'm sure that doesn't apply to every home schooled kid, but the three people I have known in my life that were fully home schooled all told me that.

i would think there is a strong connection between the personality type and lifestyle of the parents who would opt to home school their kids that has a larger impact on the child's development than being at school or not. i grew up in Alaska surrounded by weirdos where this was very common and usually the parents were total, anti social, socially retarded nut jobs to begin with.

personally, i would prefer my child had all the opportunities to socialize as any other children do. isolating a child from all other children and the general experience of school which is just as much about learning about people, to deal with people, with groups, with bullies, with girls/boys etc etc etc as anything else, to me is not the best choice. particularly in remote areas where school is their single greatest chance to interact with others, play sports etc.

Pleasurepays · 05-09-2009, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

This is the single most uninformed assumption made about home schooling.

Its actually one of the top myths people fall prey to when they are not familiar with homeschooled children.

too many studies have been done to prove the opposite: homeschool;ed children are often more social and better at social events etc...

http://ezinearticles.com/?Homeschool...ling&id=200297

http://www.heav.org/basicinfo/specialneeds/myths.html

http://www.pregnancy.org/article/rid...ooled-children

they call them myths for a reason

if a building was engulfed in fire and people were running out of it... you'd be the one to run inside just to prove you could, that everyone is wrong and that the fire is just some harmless thing invented by the man to manipulate the masses

kane · 05-09-2009, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i would think there is a strong connection between the personality type and lifestyle of the parents who would opt to home school their kids that has a larger impact on the child's development than being at school or not. i grew up in Alaska surrounded by weirdos where this was very common and usually the parents were total, anti social, socially retarded nut jobs to begin with.

personally, i would prefer my child had all the opportunities to socialize as any other children do. isolating a child from all other children and the general experience of school which is just as much about learning about people, to deal with people, with groups, with bullies, with girls/boys etc etc etc as anything else, to me is not the best choice. particularly in remote areas where school is their single greatest chance to interact with others, play sports etc.

I would agree with that. All three of the people I know where home schooled came from very religious families that felt that public (and even private) school was too corrupt and evil for their kids.

I also have another friend who's wife tried to home school their daughter for a few years. They too were super religious and felt that God was lacking in the public school curriculum. After two years when she saw just how hard it was she gave up. In a funny moment I called up there one day to talk to them and the daughter, then a 6th grader, answered the phone. I asked her how she was doing and she says, "Great, I finally get to go back to real school!" It made me laugh.

Socks · 05-09-2009, 08:10 PM

I will send my son to public school when he's old enough, without a care in the world of how "good" the school is, what kind of neighborhood it's in, or what the demographics are. In life you'll have good and bad situations, and will have to learn from all of them. I want him to go to school with every kind of student, of every race and religion. I want him to be part of the public, not part of the private.

I'm much more scared of the things he'd encounter in a private school to be honest.

lacuna · 05-09-2009, 09:17 PM

What ever happened to drinking fountains?

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PabloEscobar So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Columbia Posts: 109	Hey Adult Broker when waas the last time you even saw your kid? Did she come to visit when you were being treated for " exhaustion/flu/ cocaine overdose" in phoenix? Times must be tough that you c an't afford $4- perhaps you should stop doing blow? You are a disgrace to single moms evrywhere. Happy Mothers Day PS You pay homeowners taxes???? Bahahahaha on which house? Tuller? Maple? Tennesse PL? They are all rentals- you are a liar. Looks like you have moved a few times in the last few years... What r u running from???

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Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	Seems strange to have not addressed the water fountain issue. Please, please, please don't come back in here and tell us you're upset over a water fee, AND you have a problem with your kid drinking tap water... Please. Next, it's a request. Why don't you say no? You should ask to be added to their "do not call" list perhaps, that will really piss them off!

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	You have two options: 1) Move out of California or at the very least the area you are in. Find a better school that fits the needs of your family. 2) Lose the kid.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Most home schooled kids I have encountered were socially inept. There is no way parents can teach interaction with their peers.

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Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	My son used to play on a soccer team that was around 75% homeschooled kids. They had the same few that were odd, same that were exceptional, same that were average as any other school. The problem arises when you can't offer what the private or public systems can offer. I know for a fact I never could have taught my son the AP Calculus, AP Physics, etc. that he took as a senior. Heck, I'm pretty sure he passed me up academically around the 7th grade! And in that county, if you "exceeded" what the school could offer you, the district paid for you to attend college classes as well as providing transportation. The homeschooling parents I know always offered public or private school to their kids and usually by high school they would leave homeschooling. Charter school was the best thing that happened to the county I lived in when my son was in school. All the money donated by the parents went to the school instead of the county - like it was previously. They also instituted a program where every Wed. the kids got out at noon. They could get tutored, participate in inschool clubs, or even take the time to go to the doctor/dentist/orthodontist so they didn't miss school. Plus at the beginning of the year the school sent home a letter that basically said "Donate $50 (or whatever it was) now and we'll never have another fund raiser all year". Best. Idea. Ever. About 90% of the mothers were SAHM so there was a lot of volunteering done there too. We had a lot of big wigs who sent their kids there instead of private school. As far as private school, I went to one that is now $18K per year. That doesn't include food, sports, books (which are about the same price as college books), field trips, etc. We were always having bake sales or some other fund raiser. To this day I still get a letter and/or call every year to donate to the alumni fundraiser. Asking for money isn't public school specific. As with all things, if you don't like it, change it. If you can't change it, change yourself and move to a different district/private or homeschool.

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Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	I will send my son to public school when he's old enough, without a care in the world of how "good" the school is, what kind of neighborhood it's in, or what the demographics are. In life you'll have good and bad situations, and will have to learn from all of them. I want him to go to school with every kind of student, of every race and religion. I want him to be part of the public, not part of the private. I'm much more scared of the things he'd encounter in a private school to be honest.