So now my kids school is asking me to donate $4 to have water in the classroom! RANT! - GoFuckYourself.com

The Adult Broker · 05-07-2009, 11:17 PM

I have about 50 donation requests from the school this year for everything. see my other thread rants.

donate for:
buses for field trips
teacher appreciation week
bake sale
silent auction
Gym fund
art fund
library fund
gardening fund
green team fund
book fund
donate supplies to the classroom
donate food drive
volunteer for reading
volunteer for office help
volunteer in classroom.
help teacher who is sick
volunteer to build a booth at the fair
pay for the booth
supply the booth...

they are laying off tons of teachers, the principal just gave notice after 10 years and leaving 3 weeks before school is out. This is a TOP 5 school!

Now, I am being asked to donate $4 for the drinking water in the classroom so my kid doesn't go thirsty? And at the end of school year they send a notice home like this?

I always pack her a water bottle but I am seriously pissed at this request, insulted actually.

Am I wrong? I mean water? should I pay their gas bill. electric, salaries too? thought I already did with tax dollars that go nowhere. I've already contributed a ton and a ton of volunteer time on top of all it takes to raise a kid.

Governor Terminator: Hope you have enough water to put the Santa Barbara fires out!!

Barefootsies · 05-07-2009, 11:27 PM

I feel your pain.

Since I bought this house end of last year and moved from a busy street to a neighborhood, it seems my door bell does not go a day without being rang.

Siding, roofing, candy bars, girl scout cookies, ball teams, Jehovah's, other religions, and so on. It has gotten to the point I told handyman when we are done with some of the other shit, I am installing a camera outside my front door. That way I do not have to leave my office, and go to the front door to hear some sale pitches.

Mr Pheer · 05-07-2009, 11:29 PM

Fletch XXX · 05-08-2009, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Adult Broker

I have about 50 donation requests from the school this year for everything. see my other thread rants.

donate for:
buses for field trips
teacher appreciation week
bake sale
silent auction
Gym fund
art fund
library fund
gardening fund
green team fund
book fund
donate supplies to the classroom
donate food drive
volunteer for reading
volunteer for office help
volunteer in classroom.
help teacher who is sick
volunteer to build a booth at the fair
pay for the booth
supply the booth...

they are laying off tons of teachers, the principal just gave notice after 10 years and leaving 3 weeks before school is out. This is a TOP 5 school!

Now, I am being asked to donate $4 for the drinking water in the classroom so my kid doesn't go thirsty? And at the end of school year they send a notice home like this?

I always pack her a water bottle but I am seriously pissed at this request, insulted actually.

Am I wrong? I mean water? should I pay their gas bill. electric, salaries too? thought I already did with tax dollars that go nowhere. I've already contributed a ton and a ton of volunteer time on top of all it takes to raise a kid.

Governor Terminator: Hope you have enough water to put the Santa Barbara fires out!!

Do you send your kid to public school?

If not, ignore this, if so... I guess you think, home owners should pay the rest of the bill for your kids education?

Not picking on anyone here, its just usually these public school folks who whine the most about the cost of school, when its home owners paying for your kids classroom anyway.

If you send your kid to private school, then no worries, but if you use public schools, then YES, you should be paying their gas/electric bill and not the home owners paying taxes to do so. imo

Pleasurepays · 05-08-2009, 05:45 AM

at least Obama wants every child to be equally miserable and under educated (well... except for his children that attend private school). Yay for fairness!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p..._wShs&refer=us

pornguy · 05-08-2009, 06:07 AM

We will be sending my son to private school. For this country/area is is the most expensive but turning out the best educated kids in the entire state. Goiing to be about 485 a month plus uniforms/books/paper etc etc etc..

Snake Doctor · 05-08-2009, 06:31 AM

Oh for the love of god, run for the school board or STFU.

You act shocked because the school is asking for donations and volunteers etc when people are getting laid off due to budget cuts.
WTF else are they supposed to do?

Unless you're volunteering for a tax increase, STFU.

The Adult Broker · 05-08-2009, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Do you send your kid to public school?

If not, ignore this, if so... I guess you think, home owners should pay the rest of the bill for your kids education?

Not picking on anyone here, its just usually these public school folks who whine the most about the cost of school, when its home owners paying for your kids classroom anyway.

If you send your kid to private school, then no worries, but if you use public schools, then YES, you should be paying their gas/electric bill and not the home owners paying taxes to do so. imo

yes public school, but not about homeowner taxes which I pay...we also pay federal and state taxes in CA. And taxes are to contribute to the education of our kids. CA borrowed billions from the education fund, never paid it back and now can't even supply water to drink? I've contributed thousands over the years without question.

Barfooties is right...maybe private school will end up costing less!

I have no issue with paying for my daughter's thirst, but from a public school which would not be Top 5 without all parents constantly pitching in, but what about the other school districts where parents work 18 hours and can barely make ends meet in the household? Do their children go thirsty.

It's just wrong on principal. more ranting. my apology...but where will the line ever be drawn? When parents become the teachers in the classroom as well as life?

thanks for the post though!!

Snake Doctor · 05-08-2009, 06:39 AM

Out of curiosity, why do they need bottled water for kids to drink in a school anyways?

When I went to school there was a water fountain that we all used throughout the day.

tranza · 05-08-2009, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

We will be sending my son to private school. For this country/area is is the most expensive but turning out the best educated kids in the entire state. Goiing to be about 485 a month plus uniforms/books/paper etc etc etc..

Down here in Brazil, pretty much everybody that's not poor go to private schools.

My school used to cost over US$1,000 a month, when I was there (12 years ago). Last time I heard, it was at $1,500+/month.

lulu36 · 05-08-2009, 07:27 AM

so your kid doesn't go thirsty? for real? sounds like BS to me Lori. are they saying that kids in a US public school are going thirsty? this is not a third world country.

Pete-KT · 05-08-2009, 07:28 AM

Send them to a private school then hun. everything is better at private schools anyways

woj · 05-08-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

When I went to school there was a water fountain that we all used throughout the day.

Same here, but that was I think before bottled water was invented..

Tom_PM · 05-08-2009, 08:30 AM

Paying for water.. no way 1 generation ago would believe it possible in this country, but there ya go.

Spudstr · 05-08-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Out of curiosity, why do they need bottled water for kids to drink in a school anyways?

When I went to school there was a water fountain that we all used throughout the day.

No crap.. we had water fountains too.

sperbonzo · 05-08-2009, 08:40 AM

It's kind of funny, my buddy sends his kids to private school, for $6,600 per year. It's WAY better than the public school, but meanwhile the state of Florida spends $7,800 pper year per pupil on those crappy public schools.

I say go to the voucher system. This way everyone has a chance to go to private school if they wish to. If local public schools can't compete and end up with no students, then that's just the free market in action, and private schools should be the norm instead. We spend a crapload of money per student in the public school system in the US, and meanwhile, it's so totally controlled by unions, that we end up with horrible public schools. Let the private sector take over, I say.

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John-ACWM · 05-08-2009, 08:46 AM

You can go question the one raising funds but in the end who knows it will worth it or not.If you can fight with a smile on your face,go for it.

UFGators2007 · 05-08-2009, 09:03 AM

All I keep thinking is...what about water fountains???

After Shock Media · 05-08-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Out of curiosity, why do they need bottled water for kids to drink in a school anyways?

When I went to school there was a water fountain that we all used throughout the day.

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Originally Posted by UFGators2007

All I keep thinking is...what about water fountains???

Only thing I can think of myself and I am willing to bet that the schools indeed have water and can not cut it no matter what. Schools new well up here turned up with ecoli in it and the school had to bring in bottled water while they fixed well issue. So again pretty damn sure your school also has normal water faucets.

I also would like to say that when most of us where in school we did not drink in class no were able to ask to get up and get some that easy. We had to wait for recess, PE, or lunch. Just like using the bathroom. Thirst, make damn sure you hit a fountain before you get back to class.

Edit - also you mention food donation. Was that for the students themselves or "snacks" during kindergarten or for them to donate?

wyldblyss · 05-08-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Adult Broker

yes public school, but not about homeowner taxes which I pay...we also pay federal and state taxes in CA. And taxes are to contribute to the education of our kids. CA borrowed billions from the education fund, never paid it back and now can't even supply water to drink? I've contributed thousands over the years without question.

Barfooties is right...maybe private school will end up costing less!

I have no issue with paying for my daughter's thirst, but from a public school which would not be Top 5 without all parents constantly pitching in, but what about the other school districts where parents work 18 hours and can barely make ends meet in the household? Do their children go thirsty.

It's just wrong on principal. more ranting. my apology...but where will the line ever be drawn? When parents become the teachers in the classroom as well as life?

thanks for the post though!!

You will find that the more money the parents have in the district, the more requestx for non-necessities you get. At my daughters school they ask for things like "2 pairs of running shoes to be kept at school, one for indoor gym, one for out, along with 1 or 2 pairs of slippers (cuts down on janitorial work. They also ask for tennis balls for the bottom of chairs each year so they don't make noise. The children also have to send in 5 boxes of kleenex each for the classroom along with each child having their very own 3 hole punch, stapler etc. To get everything on my daughters list at the begining of school last year cost me $300 not including running shoes.

Spike D · 05-08-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It's kind of funny, my buddy sends his kids to private school, for $6,600 per year. It's WAY better than the public school, but meanwhile the state of Florida spends $7,800 pper year per pupil on those crappy public schools.

I say go to the voucher system. This way everyone has a chance to go to private school if they wish to. If local public schools can't compete and end up with no students, then that's just the free market in action, and private schools should be the norm instead. We spend a crapload of money per student in the public school system in the US, and meanwhile, it's so totally controlled by unions, that we end up with horrible public schools. Let the private sector take over, I say.

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One can only hope this will happen...

Sly · 05-08-2009, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It's kind of funny, my buddy sends his kids to private school, for $6,600 per year. It's WAY better than the public school, but meanwhile the state of Florida spends $7,800 pper year per pupil on those crappy public schools.

I say go to the voucher system. This way everyone has a chance to go to private school if they wish to. If local public schools can't compete and end up with no students, then that's just the free market in action, and private schools should be the norm instead. We spend a crapload of money per student in the public school system in the US, and meanwhile, it's so totally controlled by unions, that we end up with horrible public schools. Let the private sector take over, I say.

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I've looked into the stats a little bit and the public school system cost per student is at minimum $8,000 in most areas. That's $8,000 per student that taxpayers are paying, while a good number of private schools are significantly cheaper than that. My brothers went to a pretty good private high school, their tuition was not $8,000 per student by any means. And this was a pretty top school.

It's mind boggling really.

Eric · 05-08-2009, 02:57 PM

Lori,

You do not qualify for the following statements that I am about to make so please take zero offense.

But I am fucking tired of paying for other people's children and their schooling. I pay a rediculous amount of money each year to property taxes so other people can go out and have 3, 4, 5 even 6+ kids that become a drain upon society.

Our system is so broken it is not even insane!

I am not having any children and will never use a single dollar spent on these schools in my property tax bill. Yet the individuals who SPAWN like mad, not only get a free ride, but then the parents have to work several jobs to keep food on the table and support these children and since they are gone the kids never end up doing their homework and turn into little shits any ways.

1 to 2 kids you get the tax break and get to take advantage of the system.
3rd kid you don't get the tax break, but you still get the system to place your kid in
4+ you FUCKING PAY!!!

People like me should get an options list, when I pay my property taxes I should be able to pick from 10 programs that I want my money to go towards. As long as I am not a taxation on the system let me choose. No children should give me that freedom since I am not draining the system of any funds. If I would rather have smoother roads that should be my choice.

I couldn't agree more with Bonzo. Lets get these free loading teachers out of the way and go to a voucher system. I guarantee most public schools would cut even more deals to get those vouchers and make sure that kids are getting a proper education.

After Shock Media · 05-08-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wyldblyss

You will find that the more money the parents have in the district, the more requestx for non-necessities you get. At my daughters school they ask for things like "2 pairs of running shoes to be kept at school, one for indoor gym, one for out, along with 1 or 2 pairs of slippers (cuts down on janitorial work. They also ask for tennis balls for the bottom of chairs each year so they don't make noise. The children also have to send in 5 boxes of kleenex each for the classroom along with each child having their very own 3 hole punch, stapler etc. To get everything on my daughters list at the begining of school last year cost me $300 not including running shoes.

Some of that I can reasonably understand but would get upset about. However those are still above and beyond basic necessities like water.
Also sounds like if people have kids they should get more involved into the PTA, school board, local political position etc. Then they could remove many of these things that I am willing to bet damn well are almost caused in the same fashion.

Example - kleenex, not needed. gym and school shoes - optional. Tennis balls for quiet - not needed. 3 hole punch - not needed (buy pre punched paper). Stapler - not needed.

Sly · 05-08-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Out of curiosity, why do they need bottled water for kids to drink in a school anyways?

When I went to school there was a water fountain that we all used throughout the day.

I'm sure that the water sucks in their area... I know mine was pretty bad in San Diego, but totally drinkable, especially with a proper filter.

Instead of paying for bottled water that will disappear every year, maybe everyone can pitch in and buy a proper filtration unit. Yeh, it doesn't address the issues of parents needing to pay out of pocket to cover expenses that the school system should be paying for... but it makes a lot more sense than having a bunch of five-year-olds drinking Arrowhead, most likely wasting half of it.

After Shock Media · 05-08-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I'm sure that the water sucks in their area... I know mine was pretty bad in San Diego, but totally drinkable, especially with a proper filter.

Unless it is undrinkable by health standards, who cares? Either it is clean enough or not.

Sly · 05-08-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Unless it is undrinkable by health standards, who cares? Either it is clean enough or not.

LOL, I sure as hell don't, but then we would hear the parents bitching about that and they'll convince their congressman to find another way to tax us.

I don't get why people don't see it. A broken system and the only answer anyone can come up with is more money and more taxes. Ridiculous. Enough taxes. Start holding the proper people accountable and when they fuck up, slit their throats. That's how it's "supposed" to work in the business world (fucking bailouts)...

The Adult Broker · 05-08-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric

Lori,

You do not qualify for the following statements that I am about to make so please take zero offense.

But I am fucking tired of paying for other people's children and their schooling. I pay a rediculous amount of money each year to property taxes so other people can go out and have 3, 4, 5 even 6+ kids that become a drain upon society.

Our system is so broken it is not even insane!

I am not having any children and will never use a single dollar spent on these schools in my property tax bill. Yet the individuals who SPAWN like mad, not only get a free ride, but then the parents have to work several jobs to keep food on the table and support these children and since they are gone the kids never end up doing their homework and turn into little shits any ways.

1 to 2 kids you get the tax break and get to take advantage of the system.
3rd kid you don't get the tax break, but you still get the system to place your kid in
4+ you FUCKING PAY!!!

People like me should get an options list, when I pay my property taxes I should be able to pick from 10 programs that I want my money to go towards. As long as I am not a taxation on the system let me choose. No children should give me that freedom since I am not draining the system of any funds. If I would rather have smoother roads that should be my choice.

I couldn't agree more with Bonzo. Lets get these free loading teachers out of the way and go to a voucher system. I guarantee most public schools would cut even more deals to get those vouchers and make sure that kids are getting a proper education.

Hi Eric,
no offense taken at all. I completely understand because I think everyone should have check boxes choosing where their money goes and for every child you have, you are required to pay X amount per child out of your taxes towards education, etc.

I mean why am I paying the same price for one child as others do for all 6 of their kids?

So I get it. A voucher system would be cool. Getting Arnold out of office would be better! Thanks for the post!~ xo

Have a great weekend, I am off for one.

After Shock Media · 05-08-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

LOL, I sure as hell don't, but then we would hear the parents bitching about that and they'll convince their congressman to find another way to tax us.

I don't get why people don't see it. A broken system and the only answer anyone can come up with is more money and more taxes. Ridiculous. Enough taxes. Start holding the proper people accountable and when they fuck up, slit their throats. That's how it's "supposed" to work in the business world (fucking bailouts)...

Eric pretty much summed it up.
Also why I am more for the voucher system and making the school compete - no longer public technically.
I also get upset about how much I put into property taxes and yet get to see few if any return value. I own several rentals, many of those tenets have kids. I pay the property tax where they live. Thus I am feeling highly fucked and it really hits home. They have the kids, they have no vested interest in the neighborhood, yet I not only pay tax that mostly goes to schools, they get all the benefits. We have some bad pot holes on one street I have a place, they never get fixed and it starts to make the area look or feel rundown. Which will eventually effect my property value. I will keep paying those taxes and if the place goes down hill, oh well I will just get lower class people with even more kids. Drives me nuts.

baddog · 05-08-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Adult Broker

It's just wrong on principal.

No it isn't. Perhaps on principle, but not principal. Every kid for themselves. Either they drink from the fountain or their parents can pony up for bottled water.

After Shock Media · 05-08-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Adult Broker

So I get it. A voucher system would be cool. Getting Arnold out of office would be better! Thanks for the post!~ xo

He is at least supportive of at very least limited vouchers. This seems more about your political stance against him really. What is it that he has done that makes you dislike him so much, even if you think getting rid of him (terms up soon enough) is worth more than a full voucher system which would fix the system.

Sly · 05-08-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Eric pretty much summed it up.
Also why I am more for the voucher system and making the school compete - no longer public technically.
I also get upset about how much I put into property taxes and yet get to see few if any return value. I own several rentals, many of those tenets have kids. I pay the property tax where they live. Thus I am feeling highly fucked and it really hits home. They have the kids, they have no vested interest in the neighborhood, yet I not only pay tax that mostly goes to schools, they get all the benefits. We have some bad pot holes on one street I have a place, they never get fixed and it starts to make the area look or feel rundown. Which will eventually effect my property value. I will keep paying those taxes and if the place goes down hill, oh well I will just get lower class people with even more kids. Drives me nuts.

Come on... you aren't paying those property taxes. Your renters are paying the property taxes, they just don't know it.

Penthouse Tony · 05-08-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It's kind of funny, my buddy sends his kids to private school, for $6,600 per year. It's WAY better than the public school, but meanwhile the state of Florida spends $7,800 pper year per pupil on those crappy public schools.

I say go to the voucher system. This way everyone has a chance to go to private school if they wish to. If local public schools can't compete and end up with no students, then that's just the free market in action, and private schools should be the norm instead. We spend a crapload of money per student in the public school system in the US, and meanwhile, it's so totally controlled by unions, that we end up with horrible public schools. Let the private sector take over, I say.

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+1 for vouchers

California's teacher's unions have gotten way out of control. Education is the biggest portion of California's budget and we don't do it right. The more money we throw at it the worse it does year after year.

DrChango · 05-08-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Adult Broker

I have about 50 donation requests from the school this year for everything. see my other thread rants.

donate for:
buses for field trips
teacher appreciation week
bake sale
silent auction
Gym fund
art fund
library fund
gardening fund
green team fund
book fund
donate supplies to the classroom
donate food drive
volunteer for reading
volunteer for office help
volunteer in classroom.
help teacher who is sick
volunteer to build a booth at the fair
pay for the booth
supply the booth...

they are laying off tons of teachers, the principal just gave notice after 10 years and leaving 3 weeks before school is out. This is a TOP 5 school!

Now, I am being asked to donate $4 for the drinking water in the classroom so my kid doesn't go thirsty? And at the end of school year they send a notice home like this?

I always pack her a water bottle but I am seriously pissed at this request, insulted actually.

Am I wrong? I mean water? should I pay their gas bill. electric, salaries too? thought I already did with tax dollars that go nowhere. I've already contributed a ton and a ton of volunteer time on top of all it takes to raise a kid.

Governor Terminator: Hope you have enough water to put the Santa Barbara fires out!!

the funds request is ridiculous, and even more so is the fact that there is not drinking water in the classroom through a fountain or sink.
Part of my time in elementary school was spent here in Arizona (went to Nebraska for a long time but came back) and every classroom had a water fountain in it and the teachers would line us up both before and after recess and randomly throughout the day to make us drink water.

The situation in California is absurd, and part of it stems from a stupid ballot initiative from some three decades ago when caps were put on property taxes in several areas (some of them very posh). The end result is a person with a decent sized house with a generous (though not excessive) yard in Nebraska pays more on their property taxes annually than someone living in Bel Air, California. Where do they get the resources to run schools when property taxes are kept low because of an old law that wasn't properly thought out?

After Shock Media · 05-08-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Come on... you aren't paying those property taxes. Your renters are paying the property taxes, they just don't know it.

Either way I am paying them. I do not dictate how much property tax is. I also can not controll the rent ceiling in any given area. I can only get away with charging so much per month, even if the city jacked up the taxes.
It is money I could of had if the bill was not present.

kane · 05-08-2009, 03:44 PM

The school system in this country is breaking down. My brother sent all three of his kids to a private pre-school and that school still held fundraisers and to this day he gets letters from them every years asking for donations and asking them to come to fund raising auctions even though none of his kids are in school there. So it is not just public schools that are diving for money.

The idea is simple. If they can get the parents to pay for it they will because that is less money they have to take out of their budget. That said, schools seem to always find interesting and unique ways to waste money right after telling you they are broke. For example the high school I graduated from had no swimming pool. About 10 years after I graduated from there the city announced they were building a pool right across the street from the high school. They were going to make it Olympic size so the school could get a swim team. Great. The problem was the city fucked up (like it always seems to do) and they made the pool too small. So now you can't use it for competition. Instead of just canceling the swim team because they have no pool they go ahead and create a swim team. The team takes a school paid for buss 20 miles each way to the next town over and uses their pool. So the school pays for a driver and the cost of a bus 4 nights a week as well as the fees for the using the pool because they didn't want to disappoint the kids. Right after somehow funding this they say they can't put on a homecoming parade/dance like they always do because they have no money so unless the students can raise the money on their own there will be no homecoming parade and dance that year.

When I was in high school if you went out for a sport you had to buy your own shoes and jock strap, everything else was paid for by the school. Now it costs my brother about $700 a years for his daughter to play soccer and it was $500 for his son to play football. We have a thing in here called Outdoor School where they take 6th graders to an outdoor camp. When I went we did candy selling fundraisers and no matter how much (or little) was raised we still went for the week. Now they don't even bother with the fundraisers and just told my brother it was $300 and instead of going for a week it is 2 nights and 3 days.

But aside from the extras of sports and things like that the school system itself is flawed. They overpay administrators who have no idea what they are doing and half the time never show up for the meetings and they allow teachers who don't care to just stick around and collect a check. Instead of just throwing money at the problem (which is what every elected official seems to do) they need to do an audit of every school and see where they are wasting money then do away with that.I think the schools can be run better, it will just take a group of people with guts enough to stand up to the teachers union, parents and other administrators to get it done.

All this said I think the public school system is vital to this countries success. The minute we stop educating the kids is the minute we officially get on the fast track to becoming a third world shithole of a country.

kane · 05-08-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DrChango

the funds request is ridiculous, and even more so is the fact that there is not drinking water in the classroom through a fountain or sink.
Part of my time in elementary school was spent here in Arizona (went to Nebraska for a long time but came back) and every classroom had a water fountain in it and the teachers would line us up both before and after recess and randomly throughout the day to make us drink water.

The situation in California is absurd, and part of it stems from a stupid ballot initiative from some three decades ago when caps were put on property taxes in several areas (some of them very posh). The end result is a person with a decent sized house with a generous (though not excessive) yard in Nebraska pays more on their property taxes annually than someone living in Bel Air, California. Where do they get the resources to run schools when property taxes are kept low because of an old law that wasn't properly thought out?

My entire life I never went to a school that had a water fountain in class. We could ask to go get a drink, but there were never fountains in the classrooms.

IllTestYourGirls · 05-08-2009, 03:49 PM

Allow vouchers and this shit wouldnt happen. Public schools would be forced to be efficient an give a quality education.

Sadly, Obama and the Dems just killed the voucher program in D.C. So basically sending kids back to their ghetto public schools

baddog · 05-08-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

My entire life I never went to a school that had a water fountain in class. We could ask to go get a drink, but there were never fountains in the classrooms.

Many schools in CA have fountains and/or sinks in the classroom.

kane · 05-08-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Many schools in CA have fountains and/or sinks in the classroom.

I did grow up in a backwater redneck town though . . . that might have something to do with it

onlymovies · 05-08-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Adult Broker

yes public school, but not about homeowner taxes which I pay...we also pay federal and state taxes in CA. And taxes are to contribute to the education of our kids. CA borrowed billions from the education fund, never paid it back and now can't even supply water to drink? I've contributed thousands over the years without question.

Barfooties is right...maybe private school will end up costing less!

I have no issue with paying for my daughter's thirst, but from a public school which would not be Top 5 without all parents constantly pitching in, but what about the other school districts where parents work 18 hours and can barely make ends meet in the household? Do their children go thirsty.

It's just wrong on principal. more ranting. my apology...but where will the line ever be drawn? When parents become the teachers in the classroom as well as life?

thanks for the post though!!

Hell, look at the business end of California. California loves to drive big business out of the state with their crazy taxes. Which ofcourse leaves less to tax and less income for the state. This state is so fucked up, it's just sad.

But here's a thought hon. Get your child into a home schooling group. Meaning, a group of moms form a group and will takes turns each week at their house. I've sat in on one of these and it surely impressive. They get all the materials from the state, plus lots of private companies send them all kinds of workboards. Then each month, the group will get together 5 other groups for testing, sports, or whatever. Most are on the CORE standard.

It's a bit different route to go, but worth some research. It certainly wasn't what i thought it would be.

kane · 05-08-2009, 04:15 PM

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Allow vouchers and this shit wouldnt happen. Public schools would be forced to be efficient an give a quality education.

Sadly, Obama and the Dems just killed the voucher program in D.C. So basically sending kids back to their ghetto public schools

I have a few questions about vouchers. So if I understand this correctly this would attach a dollar amount to a kid and the parent could send the kid to any school they wanted. Whatever school the kid goes to gets the money correct? So in theory this makes schools compete over students and the money they get for them. Here is are my questions:

1. If a school currently gets $7000 per kid from the government and the voucher will attach the same amount to the kid only allowing the kid to go wherever they want, how will this change much? The schools will not be getting any more money than the are now. They have a maximum number of students they can handle and chances are they are already near that number now so their budgets won't increase. So if the school do not manage themselves better it won't matter where the kids come from.

2. A very good school could, in theory, manage itself very well and make it a competition to get into it. They could then pick and choose their students and it would help all the students that go there because (hopefully) they will have picked the best of the kids. This is a nice idea, but then what it does is funnels the other kids all off on another school. So instead of the kids that aren't as bright being mixed in around the school district, they will all be in one school and chances are that school and all of the students there will suffer. Now competition says they will work hard to attract students, but if the dollar amount is the same no matter if the student gets D's or A's what would be their motivation?

3. There are problems with the voucher system that are geographical in nature. The town I live in has two middle schools. Parents could pick one over of the other, but there is only one high school. So if they want to send their kid to another high school they are going to have to transport them there. The next closest high school is about 15 miles away. There are about 4-5 others though within about 20 miles. If a student has no way of getting to one of those schools they are stuck here and if they end up stuck in a shithole school then they lose due to no fault of their own.

4. You could end up with some schools that are worse off with this. Say you have a town that has 5 middle schools in it. They are all in an area where the kids can take a bus or easily get there. 3 of those schools work hard and turn things around and become good schools that fill up fast. There are many students who will now be forced to go to one of the other schools simply because there is no room for them at the good schools. If those other schools are not run as well those students could suffer. To me it would seem to be a better solution to take charge of all of the schools and work hard to make all of them good so you got a good education no matter which one you went to.

One other thought. One of the things that helps determine the value of a home is the school district. I know people who have paid more money for a similar house just because it was in an area with good schools. That will not be the case anymore and it could effect the value of homes. Also just because you move to the nice neighborhood it doesn't mean your kid will get into the better school. That school could fill up and you are left having to figure out how to transport your kids to another town so they can go to a school that is not as good.

Anyway, just a few voucher based questions.

jimmy-3-way · 05-08-2009, 04:43 PM

I love it when you social Darwinists get together.

You know, I'm pretty happy to pay to educate the next generation, the last generation paid for me to get an education, so it seems like a pretty fair social contract to me.

Personally I'd rather pay for kids to get better educated than the local cops to get some more toys. I really like seeing my tax dollars at work when some douchebag cop is writing speeding tickets clad in mil spec body armor riding in a cruiser with more electronics than 70's era aircraft carrier.

Elli · 05-08-2009, 06:45 PM

Harsh, a water donation? I guess they call it whatever they want. If they need money, they need money. But it's high time for transparency. The parents should be able to ask for audit reports for the school and/or local school district to see where the money is being spent.

kane · 05-08-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

Harsh, a water donation? I guess they call it whatever they want. If they need money, they need money. But it's high time for transparency. The parents should be able to ask for audit reports for the school and/or local school district to see where the money is being spent.

I agree 100%. I would love to see some of the school board people justify how they are making 100K a year while only making it to about half of the school board meetings and never implementing any policies that seem to have a positive effect. I would also love to see exactly how that money is spent and where it goes

After Shock Media · 05-08-2009, 06:52 PM

Kane with vouchers the money is attached to the student. It also allows them to attend any school. Can be anything from a private, to religious, to state ran, to a for profit school. There would be very little to stop small schools from opening. Also would hopefully allow for specialized high schools, where the focus of the school is one career/educational path.
In essence it would be a full reboot. No real union control. Schools compete for the students and money. Some schools may insist on extra money to attend them and the parents could use the voucher as a credit. No inflated school boards, administrators, etc. Market should then determine who survives.

kane · 05-08-2009, 07:05 PM

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Kane with vouchers the money is attached to the student. It also allows them to attend any school. Can be anything from a private, to religious, to state ran, to a for profit school. There would be very little to stop small schools from opening. Also would hopefully allow for specialized high schools, where the focus of the school is one career/educational path.
In essence it would be a full reboot. No real union control. Schools compete for the students and money. Some schools may insist on extra money to attend them and the parents could use the voucher as a credit. No inflated school boards, administrators, etc. Market should then determine who survives.

I like the idea of smaller schools being able to open and focus on their students. I still wonder if there would be enough of these types of schools to cover all the students that are out there. I have always said that one of the reasons private school work is because they are not dealing with the massive amounts of students that the public schools do. Maybe vouchers would help change the system for the better, but I fear that they would cause there to be either very good schools or very bad schools and we would end up with a bunch of kids that get very poor educations simply because of where they live.

I do think the system needs to be cleansed. It is so bloated and full of garbage that money just gets lost in the system and nobody seems to be able to explain where it goes.

papill0n · 05-08-2009, 07:10 PM

what the heck is wrong with drinking water out of the tap ?

are you in India ?

After Shock Media · 05-08-2009, 07:39 PM

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I like the idea of smaller schools being able to open and focus on their students. I still wonder if there would be enough of these types of schools to cover all the students that are out there. I have always said that one of the reasons private school work is because they are not dealing with the massive amounts of students that the public schools do. Maybe vouchers would help change the system for the better, but I fear that they would cause there to be either very good schools or very bad schools and we would end up with a bunch of kids that get very poor educations simply because of where they live.

I do think the system needs to be cleansed. It is so bloated and full of garbage that money just gets lost in the system and nobody seems to be able to explain where it goes.

Ideally though if you end up with some bad schools, someone or company would step in to put out a better school that showed positive results. People would be motivated by money.
There still is a small chance there could be certain areas with schools that are not as good. This can always happen. Though currently if you live in a bad district you are fucked anyways right now unless you move. Just hopefully there would be enough smaller schools and people wanting to run a good business (school) that it would fill any gaps.

I do know we have a whole slew of charter schools up here. Next to none is union. Many are in older rented churches, previously closed schools, and some even in older shopping centers. Some of these schools only have room for 20-30 students max. The way they are paid is a bit different than vouchers. Yet most of the ones up here have been getting rave reviews. They also have been stable with the financial issues, with only one having any worries about layoff's (which they fixed in a way no union would ever allow).

Twoface31 · 05-08-2009, 07:47 PM

from what country are you, !!!!!!!

05-07-2009, 11:17 PM	#1
The Adult Broker Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The World Posts: 5,265	So now my kids school is asking me to donate $4 to have water in the classroom! RANT! I have about 50 donation requests from the school this year for everything. see my other thread rants. donate for: buses for field trips teacher appreciation week bake sale silent auction Gym fund art fund library fund gardening fund green team fund book fund donate supplies to the classroom donate food drive volunteer for reading volunteer for office help volunteer in classroom. help teacher who is sick volunteer to build a booth at the fair pay for the booth supply the booth... they are laying off tons of teachers, the principal just gave notice after 10 years and leaving 3 weeks before school is out. This is a TOP 5 school! Now, I am being asked to donate $4 for the drinking water in the classroom so my kid doesn't go thirsty? And at the end of school year they send a notice home like this? I always pack her a water bottle but I am seriously pissed at this request, insulted actually. Am I wrong? I mean water? should I pay their gas bill. electric, salaries too? thought I already did with tax dollars that go nowhere. I've already contributed a ton and a ton of volunteer time on top of all it takes to raise a kid. Governor Terminator: Hope you have enough water to put the Santa Barbara fires out!! __________________ Gamma Entertainment \| \| Camz \| Fleshbot\| TheMobileBroker AdultShowsOnly Lori Z., The Adult Broker \| theadultbroker.com \| [email protected] \| The Mobile Broker \| themobilebroker.com \| [email protected] \|-Adult's ONE stop MOBILE shop ICQ: 289567792

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Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Oh for the love of god, run for the school board or STFU. You act shocked because the school is asking for donations and volunteers etc when people are getting laid off due to budget cuts. WTF else are they supposed to do? Unless you're volunteering for a tax increase, STFU. __________________ sig too big

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Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	at least Obama wants every child to be equally miserable and under educated (well... except for his children that attend private school). Yay for fairness!! http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p..._wShs&refer=us

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lulu36 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montreal, Qc Posts: 1,332	so your kid doesn't go thirsty? for real? sounds like BS to me Lori. are they saying that kids in a US public school are going thirsty? this is not a third world country. __________________ Lulu, Web Marketing Consultant icq 405 731 449

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sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	It's kind of funny, my buddy sends his kids to private school, for $6,600 per year. It's WAY better than the public school, but meanwhile the state of Florida spends $7,800 pper year per pupil on those crappy public schools. I say go to the voucher system. This way everyone has a chance to go to private school if they wish to. If local public schools can't compete and end up with no students, then that's just the free market in action, and private schools should be the norm instead. We spend a crapload of money per student in the public school system in the US, and meanwhile, it's so totally controlled by unions, that we end up with horrible public schools. Let the private sector take over, I say. . __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

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Eric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Helm! Posts: 8,818	Lori, You do not qualify for the following statements that I am about to make so please take zero offense. But I am fucking tired of paying for other people's children and their schooling. I pay a rediculous amount of money each year to property taxes so other people can go out and have 3, 4, 5 even 6+ kids that become a drain upon society. Our system is so broken it is not even insane! I am not having any children and will never use a single dollar spent on these schools in my property tax bill. Yet the individuals who SPAWN like mad, not only get a free ride, but then the parents have to work several jobs to keep food on the table and support these children and since they are gone the kids never end up doing their homework and turn into little shits any ways. 1 to 2 kids you get the tax break and get to take advantage of the system. 3rd kid you don't get the tax break, but you still get the system to place your kid in 4+ you FUCKING PAY!!! People like me should get an options list, when I pay my property taxes I should be able to pick from 10 programs that I want my money to go towards. As long as I am not a taxation on the system let me choose. No children should give me that freedom since I am not draining the system of any funds. If I would rather have smoother roads that should be my choice. I couldn't agree more with Bonzo. Lets get these free loading teachers out of the way and go to a voucher system. I guarantee most public schools would cut even more deals to get those vouchers and make sure that kids are getting a proper education. __________________ No One

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	The school system in this country is breaking down. My brother sent all three of his kids to a private pre-school and that school still held fundraisers and to this day he gets letters from them every years asking for donations and asking them to come to fund raising auctions even though none of his kids are in school there. So it is not just public schools that are diving for money. The idea is simple. If they can get the parents to pay for it they will because that is less money they have to take out of their budget. That said, schools seem to always find interesting and unique ways to waste money right after telling you they are broke. For example the high school I graduated from had no swimming pool. About 10 years after I graduated from there the city announced they were building a pool right across the street from the high school. They were going to make it Olympic size so the school could get a swim team. Great. The problem was the city fucked up (like it always seems to do) and they made the pool too small. So now you can't use it for competition. Instead of just canceling the swim team because they have no pool they go ahead and create a swim team. The team takes a school paid for buss 20 miles each way to the next town over and uses their pool. So the school pays for a driver and the cost of a bus 4 nights a week as well as the fees for the using the pool because they didn't want to disappoint the kids. Right after somehow funding this they say they can't put on a homecoming parade/dance like they always do because they have no money so unless the students can raise the money on their own there will be no homecoming parade and dance that year. When I was in high school if you went out for a sport you had to buy your own shoes and jock strap, everything else was paid for by the school. Now it costs my brother about $700 a years for his daughter to play soccer and it was $500 for his son to play football. We have a thing in here called Outdoor School where they take 6th graders to an outdoor camp. When I went we did candy selling fundraisers and no matter how much (or little) was raised we still went for the week. Now they don't even bother with the fundraisers and just told my brother it was $300 and instead of going for a week it is 2 nights and 3 days. But aside from the extras of sports and things like that the school system itself is flawed. They overpay administrators who have no idea what they are doing and half the time never show up for the meetings and they allow teachers who don't care to just stick around and collect a check. Instead of just throwing money at the problem (which is what every elected official seems to do) they need to do an audit of every school and see where they are wasting money then do away with that.I think the schools can be run better, it will just take a group of people with guts enough to stand up to the teachers union, parents and other administrators to get it done. All this said I think the public school system is vital to this countries success. The minute we stop educating the kids is the minute we officially get on the fast track to becoming a third world shithole of a country. Last edited by kane; 05-08-2009 at 03:46 PM..

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IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	Allow vouchers and this shit wouldnt happen. Public schools would be forced to be efficient an give a quality education. Sadly, Obama and the Dems just killed the voucher program in D.C. So basically sending kids back to their ghetto public schools __________________

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papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	what the heck is wrong with drinking water out of the tap ? are you in India ?

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