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adrianb · 06-04-2009, 11:17 PM

Has anyone elses conversion ratios dropped off a cliff? a year or two ago i would get 10-20 signups a day with 20k of google traffic, today the same google traffic gets 1 signup a day

Raf1 · 06-04-2009, 11:33 PM

I think 95% of the adult webmasters here have

Vjo · 06-04-2009, 11:33 PM

Started out good this month but real bad today.

If your honestly getting 1 in 20,000 of any google traffic to damn near anywhere.. we might as well turn out the light, the party's over.

But things eb and flow. It has been a little bit better the last 30 days than the previous 30.

Ginn · 06-04-2009, 11:39 PM

Well, things really were better a couple years ago, but there days everything is not so bad yet;)

Vjo · 06-04-2009, 11:47 PM

Had a guy who recurred since 2002 end today. He ended in a bang too.

(38.97) in Nifty Stats... charged back two months for some odd reason.

But I love the guy/girl anyhow. SEVEN years he/she recurred to a pretty much now long defunct paysite.

I hooked a porn whale folks. He finally swam off today.

Vjo · 06-04-2009, 11:53 PM

One more thing on eb and flow..

In Sept 2002 I had about 40 recurrs with a paysite. After the infamous Oct 2002 I had ONE. I lost 39 recurs in one month that had been recurring for 2-3 years. Really Oct 2002 is when this biz first went to hell. I do believe that was with IBill but long before they officially went belly up.

Anyhow in that month Oct 2002, I hooked the aforementioned whale. he recurred for 7 years. I lost every other recur but this guy started out with CCBill in the same month.

Eb and flow. Never a neg without a poss and vice versa.

Frustrating at times.

And I still don't know where the recurs went.

femdomdestiny · 06-04-2009, 11:55 PM

Yes, conversions are really bad.

leg4 · 06-05-2009, 12:17 AM

Conversion are bad. Almost non existent.

The exponential explosion of torrents and p2p is what did it.

Word spread fast amongst college students and co-workers.

SBJ · 06-05-2009, 12:17 AM

I don't know, I'm having a great week.. I had 2 so so days tue/wed but other than that both paysite and affiliate stuff are up this week.. but then again i'm working a shit load harder cause it is summertime and sales suck in summer if you don't work harder

DWB · 06-05-2009, 12:34 AM

Don't live on a flat planet.

Just sayin.

garce · 06-05-2009, 01:08 AM

The more people that give up, the more sales I get. Odd, huh?

martinsc · 06-05-2009, 01:18 AM

things are worse than before, but still ok...

Emil · 06-05-2009, 01:27 AM

Signups sucks for me. Some days I even make more with Google Adsense on my mainstream 1000/visits per day site. It's crazy. *cry* *cry*

bns666 · 06-05-2009, 01:52 AM

yeah shittier than ever.

EscortBiz · 06-05-2009, 02:06 AM

how the heck will google convert if every other link is to a free porn site?

yes signup numbers have dropped it dont matter who you are what site you run, just like every business

the stealing of movies, software, music last year costed the economy over 80 billion dollars, when the fuck will the gov wake up

nickutis · 06-05-2009, 02:29 AM

Last year was 1:700, this year has average of 1:1100, and this month is 1:1500! That's with google traffic.. Fuckin unbelievable

Vjo · 06-05-2009, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

the stealing of movies, software, music last year costed the economy over 80 billion dollars, when the fuck will the gov wake up

Maybe that is what it will take. But even that won't stop the internet. It has an (illegal) life of it's own and it is moving on and taking no prisoners in 2009.

EscortBiz · 06-05-2009, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo

Maybe that is what it will take. But even that won't stop the internet. It has an (illegal) life of it's own and it is moving on and taking no prisoners in 2009.

the recent reports are nuts, did you know that over 70,000 people lost their jobs in the music industry, more people listen to music now than ever but fewer are paying for it.

"One credible analysis by the Institute for Policy Innovation concludes that global music piracy causes $12.5 billion of economic losses every year, 71,060 U.S. jobs lost, a loss of $2.7 billion in workers' earnings, and a loss of $422 million in tax revenues, $291 million in personal income tax and $131 million in lost corporate income and production taxes. For copies of the report, please visit www.ipi.org."

this is just music, think about software, movies etc

approx 400 million dollars a day is being stolen!

yes laws will be passed one day, we pass laws when its way to late thou.

It will be a simple law, you have stolen property on your server you are just as big as a criminal as if you have stolen TV's in your car, and if you host anything that helps stealing you are charged criminally

this will happen, not because its hurting adult but because entire industries are facing total collapse

Vjo · 06-05-2009, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

the recent reports are nuts, did you know that over 70,000 people lost their jobs in the music industry, more people listen to music now than ever but fewer are paying for it.

"One credible analysis by the Institute for Policy Innovation concludes that global music piracy causes $12.5 billion of economic losses every year, 71,060 U.S. jobs lost, a loss of $2.7 billion in workers' earnings, and a loss of $422 million in tax revenues, $291 million in personal income tax and $131 million in lost corporate income and production taxes. For copies of the report, please visit www.ipi.org."

this is just music, think about software, movies etc

approx 400 million dollars a day is being stolen!

yes laws will be passed one day, we pass laws when its way to late thou.

It will be a simple law, you have stolen property on your server you are just as big as a criminal as if you have stolen TV's in your car, and if you host anything that helps stealing you are charged criminally

this will happen, not because its hurting adult but because entire industries are facing total collapse

Couldn't agree more, I'd like to see it happen tomorrow or at least pass some laws but I don't know if you can stop p2p in one form or another which is basicly what even youtube is.. a p2p for video.

seeandsee · 06-05-2009, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adrianb

Has anyone elses conversion ratios dropped off a cliff? a year or two ago i would get 10-20 signups a day with 20k of google traffic, today the same google traffic gets 1 signup a day

It's called, Risk of high tube pressure that will kill your SEO traffic sales forever ROHTPTWKYSTSF sindrom

slavdogg · 06-05-2009, 03:22 AM

if you think sign ups are bad now
wait til we get closer to July 4th weekend.
All of you will be sucking dick to make ends meet.
Point being we have yet to hit the lowest point of the year.

February is traditionally the strongest month of the year, it didnt feel that strong this year.

Jack Sparrow · 06-05-2009, 03:25 AM

Im still more then ok to be honest.
Its a LOT more work though, and im seeing a lot of guys giving up and moving into mainstream lately.

But i dont know why that would convert better. So unless things turn bad for me, im stcking with it

Zorgman · 06-05-2009, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeandsee

[/B] ROHTPTWKYSTSF sindrom

I tried to say that but I bit my tongue.

InternetIsForPorn · 06-05-2009, 03:34 AM

Yup, highly targeted SEO traffic - conversions in their thousands.

But for a mainstream product with relatively targeted traffic my conversions are 300-ish

Go mainstream ,fuck porn (lol)

nickutis · 06-05-2009, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InternetIsForPorn

Yup, highly targeted SEO traffic - conversions in their thousands.

But for a mainstream product with relatively targeted traffic my conversions are 300-ish

Go mainstream ,fuck porn (lol)

you will have to change your nick if the ratios stays the same lol :D

CunningStunt · 06-05-2009, 04:17 AM

meh. meh again.

EscortBiz · 06-05-2009, 04:20 AM

porn guys scream mainstream mainstream guys scream porn and those seriously already involved in both (not those acting as they are) know that both down

miscak · 06-05-2009, 05:05 AM

Guys, things change.. but I have one site that converts with SE traffic more then 2 years at low 1:300... and this month 1:189!
And there are more sales nowdays then before!

Fletch XXX · 06-05-2009, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

yes laws will be passed one day, we pass laws when its way to late thou.

what laws you waiting on?

copyright laws exist and are enforced.... lol

meanwhile on this forum, webmasters are making celeb sites and even selling celeb content on gfy lolz

but hey, its the guy home alone downloading some ass sex vid that is killing the economy!!

pornguy · 06-05-2009, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

the recent reports are nuts, did you know that over 70,000 people lost their jobs in the music industry, more people listen to music now than ever but fewer are paying for it.

"One credible analysis by the Institute for Policy Innovation concludes that global music piracy causes $12.5 billion of economic losses every year, 71,060 U.S. jobs lost, a loss of $2.7 billion in workers' earnings, and a loss of $422 million in tax revenues, $291 million in personal income tax and $131 million in lost corporate income and production taxes. For copies of the report, please visit www.ipi.org."

this is just music, think about software, movies etc

approx 400 million dollars a day is being stolen!

yes laws will be passed one day, we pass laws when its way to late thou.

It will be a simple law, you have stolen property on your server you are just as big as a criminal as if you have stolen TV's in your car, and if you host anything that helps stealing you are charged criminally

this will happen, not because its hurting adult but because entire industries are facing total collapse

Yet Brittney still has 100million in the bank.

Sounds to me like they need to be a little more innovative and find a way.

RadicalSights · 06-05-2009, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

porn guys scream mainstream mainstream guys scream porn and those seriously already involved in both (not those acting as they are) know that both down

They're both down but Adult is down much more... Mainstream always has more $ in it than adult.. and always will.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 06-05-2009, 06:06 AM

Mainstream is doing better because you can't find mainstream on Tubes.

Jack Sparrow · 06-05-2009, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Right

Mainstream is doing better because you can't find mainstream on Tubes.

You mean youtube doesn't exist?
Or what about more and more sites showing up hosting full length cinema movies, for free?

Manowar · 06-05-2009, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

how the heck will google convert if every other link is to a free porn site?

yes signup numbers have dropped it dont matter who you are what site you run, just like every business

the stealing of movies, software, music last year costed the economy over 80 billion dollars, when the fuck will the gov wake up

So very true

msg · 06-05-2009, 06:36 AM

of course the economy is partially to blame but with all of the ridiculous cross sales out there what do you expect? It's almost impossible to sign up for anything without getting ripped off these days. Surfers are getting tired of that shit.

topnotch, standup guy · 06-05-2009, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

Sounds to me like they need to be a little more innovative and find a way.

Yeah, after all persuading surfers to pay for content they can get for free is easy right?

Tell us, do you always post dumb ass shit or is it just the morning hangover?

Jack Sparrow · 06-05-2009, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Yeah, after all persuading surfers to pay for content they can get for free is easy right?

Tell us, do you always post dumb ass shit or is it just the morning hangover?

Do you always attack respected people who have more knowledge then you? Or is it just the morning hangover?

Dumbass...

Diomed · 06-05-2009, 07:17 AM

:waiting for barefootsies to pop in this thread and say - "sales are on the rise, business has never been better".

Jack Sparrow · 06-05-2009, 07:23 AM

sales are on the rise, business has never been better.

Ooops, sorry dio ;)

Scott McD · 06-05-2009, 07:27 AM

There is no money in porn. The noobs didn't listen...

topnotch, standup guy · 06-05-2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Do you always attack respected people who have more knowledge then you? Or is it just the morning hangover?

Dumbass...

More knowledge than me?

Generally speaking, perhaps.

But that was a fucking dumbass statement no matter how you slice it.

How about you take this opportunity to wipe the shit off your nose and take a deep breath of fresh air. Maybe then it'll like dawn on you how people who produce and market their own content might be having a difficult time competing with cocksuckers who are giving the exact same content away for free.

Then again, maybe I'm giving you too much credit.

TheSenator · 06-05-2009, 08:11 AM

Google Wave is the future.

Jack Sparrow · 06-05-2009, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

More knowledge than me?

Generally speaking, perhaps.

But that was a fucking dumbass statement no matter how you slice it.

How about you take this opportunity to wipe the shit off your nose and take a deep breath of fresh air. Maybe then it'll like dawn on you how people who produce and market their own content might be having a difficult time competing with cocksuckers who are giving the exact same content away for free.

Then again, maybe I'm giving you too much credit.

I think you should reread what he said, and chill.

BradM · 06-05-2009, 08:33 AM

My mainstream stuff tanked. Went from 1:12 on a very targeted product and now I am 1:200 - same quality same sources.

czarina · 06-05-2009, 08:36 AM

the economy sucks... if companies like Best Buy and Wal Mart are in trouble, imagine porn!

InternetIsForPorn · 06-05-2009, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickutis

you will have to change your nick if the ratios stays the same lol :D

LOL no shit

regarding the 'isn't mainstream stuff on tubes too?' issue

Yes, it is on tubes, BUT it's harder to find exactly what you need

While in porn you might be looking for something specific, most of the time you will get off to anything -- you will just get off more when you find that specific thing.

But in mainstream a video converter won't complement for a malware detector

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 06-05-2009, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrfrisky

You mean youtube doesn't exist?
Or what about more and more sites showing up hosting full length cinema movies, for free?

You're a fucking idiot. Why don't you just fuck off to the board you crawled here from?

For the other dumbasses here: people who work in online mainstream business sell stuff other than videos.

xiaomaster · 06-05-2009, 08:41 AM

I suffered this steep decline of sales for weeks. Hope it will get better soon.

alias · 06-05-2009, 08:54 AM

Bleak thread.

webmasterchecks · 06-05-2009, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo

After the infamous Oct 2002 I had ONE. I lost 39 recurs in one month that had been recurring for 2-3 years. Really Oct 2002 is when this biz first went to hell. I do believe that was with IBill but long before they officially went belly up.

oct/nov 2002 was the time the ipsp's were all dealing with the Visa registration crap, where everyone had to pay $750 and get a principle in a US or EU region

that may have had something to go with the rebills

06-04-2009, 11:17 PM	#1
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Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	One more thing on eb and flow.. In Sept 2002 I had about 40 recurrs with a paysite. After the infamous Oct 2002 I had ONE. I lost 39 recurs in one month that had been recurring for 2-3 years. Really Oct 2002 is when this biz first went to hell. I do believe that was with IBill but long before they officially went belly up. Anyhow in that month Oct 2002, I hooked the aforementioned whale. he recurred for 7 years. I lost every other recur but this guy started out with CCBill in the same month. Eb and flow. Never a neg without a poss and vice versa. Frustrating at times. And I still don't know where the recurs went. Last edited by Vjo; 06-04-2009 at 11:56 PM..

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06-05-2009, 03:22 AM	#21
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Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	Im still more then ok to be honest. Its a LOT more work though, and im seeing a lot of guys giving up and moving into mainstream lately. But i dont know why that would convert better. So unless things turn bad for me, im stcking with it

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06-05-2009, 06:06 AM	#32
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06-05-2009, 06:36 AM	#35
msg Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Fl. Posts: 293	of course the economy is partially to blame but with all of the ridiculous cross sales out there what do you expect? It's almost impossible to sign up for anything without getting ripped off these days. Surfers are getting tired of that shit.

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06-05-2009, 07:23 AM	#39
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06-05-2009, 08:36 AM	#45
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06-05-2009, 08:41 AM	#48
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