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I watch my PC on my TV all the time.. If I want to watch a real movie on HD, I understand that.. but porn on HD, it's not what surfers want and it isn't what you're watching at home.
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Hahah actually there are plenty of legal ways to watch... Netflix instant queue with HD streaming, iTunes store (which I love even though it's DRM laden), and all the great porn sites out there with HD content
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who cares what some webmaster wants. all that matters is what the consumer wants.
you'd have to be living under a rock (or on gfy all day) not to notice hd as a major consumer selling point. |
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and with good encoding you can tweak the best ratio between picture quality and bitrate so that in my opinion 3000 kbit is enough for a 1280x720 resolution. and on top i offer 640x360 in 800 kbit for those who don't want to download but stream right away. and honestly: downloading a 500 mb file is nowadays for 88% of the people a matter of a couple of minutes
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From my point of view HD is worthless - when you shoot you got tons of space at the screen and just 20% of space with some action.I think 4:3 is far better for porn but true is that HD is the future so we have to follow the customers needs.
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Porn Consumer wise, if you tell people here are two movies, both are HD. All you do is tell them this file will take X amount of average time to download and the other, which is fake HD - less time to download. The will view the fake one far more, rank it 5 stars, tell you it's the best HD on the market, and it be... totally fake. What "we think" is HD - Is not what surfers think is HD.
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The truth about marking ploys and the internet
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Made millions of dollars convincing people that this was true: ![]() 2002-now Made millions of dollars exploiting the word bukkake and selling fake cum sites: ![]() now-whenever: Pushing HD sites, even if its cropped video, as long as the quality is better than the tube sites, I'll be able to compete. My point is this: the average person/surfer is a retard. You want the dumb gullable customer, why? Because they tend to believe anything and thus forget to cancel their membership. HD is just another "hook", nothing more. Our sites videos will be wide and crystal clear...hence we will call them HD. And the surfers will join. Seems like the illegal gf sites are the "new celebrity". Edgy, risky...alot are fake, but who cares? You gotta follow trends, ride waves, and innovate when possible. |
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Now... you give me the master and I do the normal, web version, dvd version, vod, and even broadcast. Web wise, without question I will make the same amount of money. HD does not make a site convert better or retain longer, that is extremely easy statistics to prove. What it does do, is cost more.. more for me to store and more costs for me, each time a member uses one. Now when we have 500 movies... the cost difference is going to be extreme. Now out of those, broadcast is the only one that has 'one' company requires hd/blueray. The rest, don't care - because the consumer buys it at the same rate and it's sold as HD - when it's not really. Then, 99% of the porn companies, don't do this. DVD - Again I can stick a HD stamp on it, the consumer has no idea. The store doesn't care, the distro doesn't care, the brokers don't care. Content sells if it's NEW and in series, popular, etc.. Not because it's HD or Not - as long as has quality. Again, most people aren't converting to DVD, just like they don't go to broadcast, and most "online" producers, don't even do VOD. The most popular production companies across the VOD networks, come from one of the biggest companies that fakes HD. But wait.. it's what the surfers want! So after we are all done, you shooting in HD - I net no more money. It actually, took on costs. Having my content 5 years ago in HD - Makes no difference today. The content is still used, exactly the same way and purchased based on age and if it's popular. Explain to me again, how HD is better? BTW, I "totally" understand why people shoot in HD. I really have no problem with HD. My point is... REAL HD isn't making you more money, more sales, it's not getting you on more mediums, and it isn't adding to your success rates, conversion rates, or retention. More people aren't buying porn, because of HD porn.
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Exactly.. if there is a market for HD porn then it will sell. I think it's pretty obvious that it's selling. I think you guys complaining are missing the forest for the trees on that aspect. The other thing is in the age of tubes and trying to compete with them, selling the HD option is one things the tubes can't offer at this point. You guys shouldn't be bashing this, you should be using it to your advantage. ![]()
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Correct, we do have a market for HD porn because HD has been so hyped up and HD TV is bad ass, sports at least. The thing is, "surfers" don't know the difference between really HQ porn vs. HD Porn - other than they get HQ Porn faster online. Real HD Porn sites, VOD, PPV, and DVD's .. real HD scenes, don't sell any better than high quality porn put on the same mediums, sold to the same people. Actually, the 'fake' faster, smaller, Non-Shot-HD porn is some of the top selling titles across our Industry. Check the top selling lists on VOD Sites, less than 20% are marked HD. That's surfers telling you - what they want, and it isn't "real" HD. The consumer... isn't "really" asking for "real" HD.... That's what I'm talking about.
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HD content NOW, while it's a minor selling point to many porn goers, will be another necessity down the line. Start preparing now or fall by the wayside.
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Doc, you're ignoring my point and keep repeating wrong facts. unless you shoot real HD (which maybe 1 out of 100 people do) the filesize of DV AVI and HDV are almost the same. and when you encode both at 2000 kbit you also have the same filesize. storage costs are absolutely the smallest issue you have with HD.
you might be right about many other things though.
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I'd agree user experience is everything. Be it a webmaster or an end user. Just yesterday I showed a sample of our stuff to a webmaster. He told me "it better be crystal"... Well, he was blown away at both the download speed and the quality.
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Downplaying the importance of HD seems like walking backwards. You can't even purchase a SD television any more. VHS is dead, and SD DVD is on the way out too.
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Who was this "industry veteran".... Lawrence Connor? haha...
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exactly the point. makes for beautiful and clear video when u shoot quality films.
who cares if you shoot shit. jerk films dont need to be in HD.
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It's not like it's going to creep up on you and out of the blue make all old content null and void. I love how HD is "the thing" with you people.. Yet surfers on tubes, pirated tubes, pirated forums, VOD sites that show most popular, stores, passwords crack requests, etc. aren't saying the same thing... "Surfers" aren't backing up "YOUR" claims... No reason to argue with me on this, you should be trying to convince your surfers, not me.
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As a surfer I choose HD or something that is fast to load.
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So companies spend nearly the same amount for a scene, why on earth would they shoot it in SD now a days? A solid HD camera is the same price a solid SD camera was 4 years ago. Surfers WANT HD. If someone has some solid statistics on them not wanting it I would love to see that. Any consumer that goes out to buy a new tv is NOT looking for an SD set unless its in a room where the tv is just there for background noise, or they can't afford an HD set. So if a site has the same membership price, very like content niche wise, and one is SD and one is HD which one do you think they will pick? The one with higher quality video, or the one with SD video that seems to think the consumer doesn't really want a higher quality video? lol |
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HD TV that plays HD sports & Movies is totally different than HD porn on your PC Tested and Proven... Lay the same movie side by side. Call them Both HD. One really is, one is HD the other is faked at a high bitrate. Tell the surfer the file sizes. Put a poll between them... ask which one do you like better. Don't hype anything, don't say one is real and not, don't lead them. Just let a natural poll happen, watch the views/clicks and ratings. Why does the non HD video win? Or... Take a tour, exact tour, call all videos HD. Put real HD up vs. cut down HD and/or fake HD. The "faster" loading site, will convert better. It has nothing to do with HD.
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Looking at youtube for example. The only time I choose the non HD version of a video is if the site is loading slow. Other than that, I always refer the HD versions if they offer it. I'm sure I'm not alone and I'm pretty certain porn surfers look at it the same way.
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BTW... My goal here wasn't to bash HD programs. Surfers will f'in buy anything if it's sold to them.
If the product is cool, unique, fast.. like what EvilChris has, surfers are going to eat it up and overall it will benefit him. BUT, that's what it's going to take! That's looking into the future. I have no issue with anyone pushing or building HD sites. I have no reason to care. I'm not paid to care, what I was paid for was market research and part of the details got posted. I had no agenda to show data one way or another. The starting post and my point was the surfer has no idea. All you have to do is call it HD, and it is to them... and it's true. Shooting REAL HD right now, will not make you more money and what you shoot 'today' will not be a factor in 5 years. Just like content 5 years ago isn't a factor today. At that, technology has changed 3 times in 5 years... we aren't done changing yet. Don't take this is a bash people.. it's market research that was being shared. That's all.
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Really? cus I've always had problems streaming HD on my personal computer, always. I can't even get the 1080 to play smoothly when downloaded. Could you post a link to some previews?
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More than likely your computer not your connection. Hit me up on icq in a bit and Ill give you a link to try.
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It was started last year and is still going on today. Gathering data, split testing, making polls.. in general, market research never ends or I will miss what the trend change is. I do this across several programs, I manage polls for many. I get statistics shared with me. I make/request changes, and monitor the stats. We take user surveys, emails, and listen to feedback. It would be nice if this is ALL I did, I have so much data, that I could spend a lifetime going through it. This data is tested with over 500k 'fresh' sales, let alone rebills, traffic in general, etc.
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I just tested real HD, not a full size.. and I couldn't load it. I will admit it downloaded fast, but I couldn't get it to play on my pc. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't.
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Anyone who does not at least shoot is HD now is a fucking idiot. Period.
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A good way to have a discussion is to use terms without definning them...
From this discussion HD is very crap "tube" quality video and HD is slightly better.... This is a million miles from true HD even of the compressed Blu Ray format at 25,000 bits per sec..... The films we shot widescreen SD still have to be compressed down to 2,000 bits per sec to run on punters computers. It will still be many years before we could put SD quality films online. Even now a lot of our members are still downloading the smaller files encoded at only 500 bps. We shoot HD for various reasons...The camera is very good to use with proper focus, zoom and exposure. The films can be exploited longer and on different media from blu ray to DVD to internet. The HD format allows more creativity with lighting, composition and editing.... The best format for the internet in our opinion is to use HD as the production tool, make the films in DVD images, upload them - members then download them from the internet, burn them onto DVD and show them on an upscaling DVD player to HD TV. A 2 gig download will give them a one hour programme. That will get them the best quality through the internet that is possible at the moment. Of course that is not what will happen .... HD will just be a lie to sell more product... |
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All of TEEN CASH content is shot in HD. If you have ever watched HDTV it makes regular def unbearable. If they have crappy bw connection they can always download the low res stuff.
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I work with both HD and SD and even 4K and to me it all comes down to marketing (as always). If you play up the HD angle (or the 4K angle) then you are targeting a particular audience, one that wants cutting-edge, the latest technology, etc. Of course, those people are younger and often do not pay for (free) porn....
Remember, "vintage" still sells, and sells well. Amateurs sell well. Sometimes SD is more appropriate for the marketing you are doing and the site in question. But if you are shooting new content yes go with HD for all the reasons listed but you do not need to overtax your resources with HD, you can reduce the size.
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The only thing I don't like about HD is the aspect ratio. It's a lot easier to compose porn shots in 4:3 than in 16:9.
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1) Speaking for HD Cam, since Cam4 began offering HD stream and noting it on the site, with a separate link for models offering it, I reach the Top 5 viewership within 15 or 20 minutes, vs. a half hour to 45 minutes or not at all. As a "daddy" performer, I am unavoidably one of those with imperfect skin, and negative/troll comments have definitely gone up - BUT, my show income has almost doubled.
2) One solution I've seen a lot for HD video is to film your scenes flat.. This creates a slightly ghostly, ethereal feel to the finished product, which can be cool, and eliminates a lot of a model's blemishes and imperfections. It can be a little tricky, and if you're married to a style that requires a lot of texture or color contrast (ominous, dungeon-y feel) then you won't like it. The key is to use your lighting all around to remove any shadow. For any extreme close-ups, position the camera at a medium range and zoom in instead of shoving the camera up close. Then when you're editing, open the exposure or pull down the color saturation and contrast a little to "flatten" the image. You can compensate the washed out image a little by bringing up the color vibrance. Your end product will have a different feel than you're used to, and it will look like a different director shot the scene. But, the method is highly effective for blemishes and wrinkles. I've only experimented with filming flat recently, haven't done any final product yet, but what I've done so far takes 10 years off of me.
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I just had to quote this one for the giggles. 320x240 is small even for most basic phones now.
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6 years later, what's your NEW opinion now.
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My opinion is they surfers LOVE it and will PAY for it!
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This thread delivers!
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