Tinfoil-free thread: US government sanctioned murder of US citizens (history)

[$5 submissions]

We all know about the "911 Truthers" and Alex Jones-type tin foil theorists. Many people laugh at these characters and their far out theories on how the US government itself killed its own citizens during 911. While I personally don't believe the 911 truthers, after I read the article below, it did SOBER ME UP to the lethal consequences of government policies.

It also makes one think about the massive wasted resources and lives lost in the current "war on drugs".

From: http://www.slate.com/id/2245188

To sell the stolen industrial alcohol, the liquor syndicates employed chemists to "renature" the products, returning them to a drinkable state. The bootleggers paid their chemists a lot more than the government did, and they excelled at their job. Stolen and redistilled alcohol became the primary source of liquor in the country. So federal officials ordered manufacturers to make their products far more deadly.

By mid-1927, the new denaturing formulas included some notable poisons?kerosene and brucine (a plant alkaloid closely related to strychnine), gasoline, benzene, cadmium, iodine, zinc, mercury salts, nicotine, ether, formaldehyde, chloroform, camphor, carbolic acid, quinine, and acetone. The Treasury Department also demanded more methyl alcohol be added?up to 10 percent of total product. It was the last that proved most deadly.

The results were immediate, starting with that horrific holiday body count in the closing days of 1926. Public health officials responded with shock. "The government knows it is not stopping drinking by putting poison in alcohol," New York City medical examiner Charles Norris said at a hastily organized press conference. "[Y]et it continues its poisoning processes, heedless of the fact that people determined to drink are daily absorbing that poison. Knowing this to be true, the United States government must be charged with the moral responsibility for the deaths that poisoned liquor causes, although it cannot be held legally responsible."

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

lulz americans...

[BFT3K]

I hear crickets.

Is anyone even on this board any more?

[12clicks]

its a nothing topic.

the alcohol was being stolen to produce liquor during prohibition.
I'll bet you the theft stopped.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

We all know about the "911 Truthers" and Alex Jones-type tin foil theorists. Many people laugh at these characters and their far out theories on how the US government itself killed its own citizens during 911. While I personally don't believe the 911 truthers, after I read the article below, it did SOBER ME UP to the lethal consequences of government policies.

It also makes one think about the massive wasted resources and lives lost in the current "war on drugs".

From: http://www.slate.com/id/2245188

Nice article..
Although I dont call myself a truther, I do think the government was definately behind the attacks. All you need to do is research a little bit... building 7 which most people don't even know about.. huge skyscraper collapsing into its own footprint at 5:30 that evening.. seems like they would cover this story, kinda important dont you say?.

Lots and Lots and Lots of unanswered questions.. what are they hiding?
1000's of architects scholars physicists miliatary and ex military are also considered "truthers"

I'm not democrat republican or anything.. i know what the government has done in the past so sept 11 wasn't a surprise to me.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Nice article..
Although I dont call myself a truther, I do think the government was definately behind the attacks. All you need to do is research a little bit... building 7 which most people don't even know about.. huge skyscraper collapsing into its own footprint at 5:30 that evening.. seems like they would cover this story, kinda important dont you say?.

Lots and Lots and Lots of unanswered questions.. what are they hiding?
1000's of architects scholars physicists miliatary and ex military are also considered "truthers"

I'm not democrat republican or anything.. i know what the government has done in the past so sept 11 wasn't a surprise to me.

Maybe building 7 was demolished for clearing purposes since the nearby buildings were destroyed by the terrorist attack? It was an empty building?

[IllTestYourGirls]

The Obama administration recently had bi-partisan meetings to discuss assassinations. The subject of assassinating American citizens came up. The administration said they had no problem with assassinating American citizens. I am sure the same was true under Bush.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Maybe building 7 was demolished for clearing purposes since the nearby buildings were destroyed by the terrorist attack? It was an empty building?

The building was far from empty.. it had fire on 2 floors supposedly, and that made the building collapse into its own footprint later that day (so they say). Most scientists and engineers believe the two large towers were rigged with explosives.. (theramite) to be exact. That would explain the pools of molten metal under the towers 2 weeks after the collapses. Now that I dont know.. but building 7 was definately rigged with explosives which would indicate for- knowledge and complicity in the attacks . The SEC had offices there, and Rudi Guliani's command bunker was there.

Most people dont even know a 3rd huge skyscraper collapsed that day its funny...
Look it up.. building 7

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by mayabong

The building was far from empty.. it had fire on 2 floors supposedly, and that made the building collapse into its own footprint later that day (so they say). Most scientists and engineers believe the two large towers were rigged with explosives.. (theramite) to be exact. That would explain the pools of molten metal under the towers 2 weeks after the collapses. Now that I dont know.. but building 7 was definately rigged with explosives which would indicate for- knowledge and complicity in the attacks . The SEC had offices there, and Rudi Guliani's command bunker was there.

Most people dont even know a 3rd huge skyscraper collapsed that day its funny...
Look it up.. building 7

Any idea how much structural damage is caused to buildings sitting on the same chunk of rock as two 110 buildings that just collapsed hours earlier?

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

Any idea how much structural damage is caused to buildings sitting on the same chunk of rock as two 110 buildings that just collapsed hours earlier?

I know it was one of the least damaged buildings .. also WTC 4 5 6 were also damaged.

The official story is it collapsed by fire... thats about all they say about that building in the comission report. If that was the case it still wouldn't come down so perfectly. Either way there are like 2000 other unanswered questions. Thats just the tip of the iceberg.. I definately know it wasn't some guy in a cave, if you believe that you are a victim of the media bigtime. Seems like they had this story ready to go like 3 hours after towers collapsed. Look at what america has done since sept 11.. they couldn't have done this craziness if that didn't happen.. it was perfectly planned and executed and the nation went along with it.

[pornguy]

Funny thing is I heard a great line in a move a bunch of years back and I think it is often used by governments to justify what is done.

" The Good of the many, Out weighs the good of the few! "

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by mayabong

I know it was one of the least damaged buildings .. also WTC 4 5 6 were also damaged.

The official story is it collapsed by fire... thats about all they say about that building in the comission report. If that was the case it still wouldn't come down so perfectly. Either way there are like 2000 other unanswered questions. Thats just the tip of the iceberg.. I definately know it wasn't some guy in a cave, if you believe that you are a victim of the media bigtime. Seems like they had this story ready to go like 3 hours after towers collapsed. Look at what america has done since sept 11.. they couldn't have done this craziness if that didn't happen.. it was perfectly planned and executed and the nation went along with it.

No, I'm serious. Nobody seems to have any good information on the subject. I've seen statements that 25 miles away they registered 2.1+ magnitude on the richter scale which means it would have been about the same, maybe a bit more right on the site.

Clearly the fire damage story is nonsense, but to brush off foreign responsibility is plain stupid. People use that 'guy hiding in a cave' line to attempt to dumb down the enemy. The 'guy who was hiding in a cave' was responsible for other attacks on US assets and has access to an obscene amount of Saudi funds. Is it possible that people within the administration new something was coming and chose to do nothing about it? Sure, its possible. Was it an inside job? Doubtful.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

No, I'm serious. Nobody seems to have any good information on the subject. I've seen statements that 25 miles away they registered 2.1+ magnitude on the richter scale which means it would have been about the same, maybe a bit more right on the site.

Clearly the fire damage story is nonsense, but to brush off foreign responsibility is plain stupid. People use that 'guy hiding in a cave' line to attempt to dumb down the enemy. The 'guy who was hiding in a cave' was responsible for other attacks on US assets and has access to an obscene amount of Saudi funds. Is it possible that people within the administration new something was coming and chose to do nothing about it? Sure, its possible. Was it an inside job? Doubtful.

Doubtful? usually planes are deployed within 8 minutes or something when there are hijacked planes without presidential mandate.. here what 80 minutes went by before any planes were in the air. Pools of molten meltal under the towers for weeks.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A

Professor from BYU Explaining the use of Thermite to make the buildings come down.
Maybe they planned on it coming down right when the buildings came down and screwed up I dont know

Yes the guy in a cave story is bullshit I cant believe people believe that shit.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

The Obama administration recently had bi-partisan meetings to discuss assassinations. The subject of assassinating American citizens came up. The administration said they had no problem with assassinating American citizens. I am sure the same was true under Bush.

do you have a link?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

The Obama administration recently had bi-partisan meetings to discuss assassinations. The subject of assassinating American citizens came up. The administration said they had no problem with assassinating American citizens. I am sure the same was true under Bush.

wow nevermind, after reading about mcchrystal.. haha

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

do you have a link?

You think the MSM is reporting it? Ron Paul blew the lid off the meeting in his Cpac speech:

I believe is in this portion

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NyHenmr1Cpw

or this part

https://youtube.com/watch?v=v77R9wucreU

Good speech everyone should watch it regardless of political views.


edit: here it is around 4 min

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WOQuCwt60V4

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

You think the MSM is reporting it? Ron Paul blew the lid off the meeting in his Cpac speech:

I believe is in this portion

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NyHenmr1Cpw

or this part

https://youtube.com/watch?v=v77R9wucreU

Good speech everyone should watch it regardless of political views.


edit: here it is around 4 min

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WOQuCwt60V4

Thanks enjoyed that

[DBS.US]

It's 9/11 not 911

[DBS.US]

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[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Doubtful? usually planes are deployed within 8 minutes or something when there are hijacked planes without presidential mandate.. here what 80 minutes went by before any planes were in the air. Pools of molten meltal under the towers for weeks.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A

Professor from BYU Explaining the use of Thermite to make the buildings come down.
Maybe they planned on it coming down right when the buildings came down and screwed up I dont know

Yes the guy in a cave story is bullshit I cant believe people believe that shit.

Can't argue with your logic. You win.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

Can't argue with your logic. You win.

Nice Sarcasm..

Its funny when you actually question things and try to think on your own instead of what fox and cnn tell you.. you're just a conspiracy theorist nutjob.. maybe I am wrong.. maybe all the physicists and scientists are wrong.. but at least we question things instead of accepting what was spoonfed.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

You think the MSM is reporting it? Ron Paul blew the lid off the meeting in his Cpac speech:

I believe is in this portion

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NyHenmr1Cpw

or this part

https://youtube.com/watch?v=v77R9wucreU

Good speech everyone should watch it regardless of political views.


edit: here it is around 4 min

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WOQuCwt60V4

Some people simply don't understand that the MSM will NOT report most shit like that because if they did, their sources would vanish in a heartbeat. And then they'd be even more fucked about insider information.

I wish a news company would be founded which actually reported facts despite this DC circle jerk.

It's laughable that people think most media establishments are there to report shit to/for them. They're there to make money. That's it.

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Nice Sarcasm..

Its funny when you actually question things and try to think on your own instead of what fox and cnn tell you.. you're just a conspiracy theorist nutjob.. maybe I am wrong.. maybe all the physicists and scientists are wrong.. but at least we question things instead of accepting what was spoonfed.

There is a big difference between questioning MSM/status quo and going off the deep end spouting conspiracy theories.

It's funny when you actually question the things a truther says they automatically assume you believe what Fox and CNN tell you.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

There is a big difference between questioning MSM/status quo and going off the deep end spouting conspiracy theories.

It's funny when you actually question the things a truther says they automatically assume you believe what Fox and CNN tell you.

I think the word "truther" is actually a cnn and fox term

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by mayabong

I think the word "truther" is actually a cnn and fox term

link to source?

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Funny thing is I heard a great line in a move a bunch of years back and I think it is often used by governments to justify what is done.

" The Good of the many, Out weighs the good of the few! "

It would suck to be the "Few" that get sacrificed for the greater good.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by mayabong

I think the word "truther" is actually a cnn and fox term

Also yes the "earthquake" theory seems like a decent theory.. although there are videos of them clearing the area of people knowing that the building was coming down. The owner larry silverstein said on Pbs that there was so much loss of life that day, the smartest thing to do was pull it, and he said thats what they did and they watched the building come down. This was on America Rebuilds PBS documentary... Unless they are just naturally wired for demolition, This takes alot of planning

[D Ghost]

great article, thanks for the link!

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

great article, thanks for the link!

Thanks, DJ

[fatfoo]

I passed by a wall with pictures of 911 heroes on a wall while I was in New York on Sept 29, 2009. Terrible tragedy - I remember when it happened.

When the plane crash happened, I was in a carpentry class of some kind in junior highschool - I watched one of the buildings fall down live on a TV in the classroom. Then, I went to a French class.

[CheeseFrog]

I still think that China (and even Russia to an extent), with their extensive network of spies within the US, would have jumped at the chance to call our government on atrocities committed against its own people. The US has a long history of pointing a holier-than-thou finger at China and Russia for their alleged human rights violations. If there were any shred of truth to the US govt being behind the 9/11 attacks, those two countries would be the first to know about it and also the first ones to call us out on it.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by CheeseFrog

I still think that China (and even Russia to an extent), with their extensive network of spies within the US, would have jumped at the chance to call our government on atrocities committed against its own people. The US has a long history of pointing a holier-than-thou finger at China and Russia for their alleged human rights violations. If there were any shred of truth to the US govt being behind the 9/11 attacks, those two countries would be the first to know about it and also the first ones to call us out on it.

Interesting angle.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by CheeseFrog

I still think that China (and even Russia to an extent), with their extensive network of spies within the US, would have jumped at the chance to call our government on atrocities committed against its own people. The US has a long history of pointing a holier-than-thou finger at China and Russia for their alleged human rights violations. If there were any shred of truth to the US govt being behind the 9/11 attacks, those two countries would be the first to know about it and also the first ones to call us out on it.

Or they would blackmail us into buying obscene amounts of debt from them.

Look at me I can create a conspiracy theory within a conspiracy!

[digitaldivas]

I REALLY like Ron Paul!!!

[mayabong]

Your not gonna see any of this shit on the news... thats why people think "if it was an inside job, people would have come forth by now" People have come forth! lots and lots and lots of people! but they're not gonna put it on CNN or Fox or the yahoo homepage, they've been covering it up from the beginning.

The BBC actually reported building 7 collapsed while it was still in the background of the reporter... look it up

911truth.org is a good place to research.. or just watch some documentaries...

http://zeitgeistmovie.com is a good place to start

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by digitaldivas

I REALLY like Ron Paul!!!

Yeah ron paul rocks

[CheeseFrog]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Your not gonna see any of this shit on the news... thats why people think "if it was an inside job, people would have come forth by now" People have come forth! lots and lots and lots of people! but they're not gonna put it on CNN or Fox or the yahoo homepage, they've been covering it up from the beginning.

The BBC actually reported building 7 collapsed while it was still in the background of the reporter... look it up

911truth.org is a good place to research.. or just watch some documentaries...

http://zeitgeistmovie.com is a good place to start

Saw the Zeitgeist movie. And yet I'm still waiting on tangible proof. All I'm hearing from truthers is the 9/11 equivalent of "global warming is real! we're all doomed!" without one shred of proof. Even went to 911truth.org and found absolutely nothing of use. No trace of explosives residue was ever found at GZero. No internal govt. documents detailing a coverup... nothing. Maybe there were explosives planted at the WTC -- what makes you think the US govt did it?

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by CheeseFrog

Saw the Zeitgeist movie. And yet I'm still waiting on tangible proof. All I'm hearing from truthers is the 9/11 equivalent of "global warming is real! we're all doomed!" without one shred of proof. Even went to 911truth.org and found absolutely nothing of use. No trace of explosives residue was ever found at GZero. No internal govt. documents detailing a coverup... nothing. Maybe there were explosives planted at the WTC -- what makes you think the US govt did it?

No traces were ever found?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A

Why would the government do it? To do what they're doing today and have the people behind them. Think they could have invaded all those countries without sept 11?

No internal documents??? think they would let those loose? 6 of the 10 people on the 9/11 commission said it was a white wash and there should be a new investigation.

How about proof of the official story that ones a little harder to believe if you ask me.

If you dont think the government would ever do something like this, look up the northwoods document, they planned to do something like this in the 60's.

[CheeseFrog]

[QUOTE=mayabong;16896816]No traces were ever found?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A

Why would the government do it? To do what they're doing today and have the people behind them. Think they could have invaded all those countries without sept 11?

No internal documents??? think they would let those loose? 6 of the 10 people on the 9/11 commission said it was a white wash and there should be a new investigation.

How about proof of the official story that ones a little harder to believe if you ask me.

If you dont think the government would ever do something like this, look up the northwoods document, they planned to do something like this in the 60's.

Still waiting on proof that it was an inside job and not Al'Qaeda who crashed planes and rigged the WTC with explosives. All that video proves is that, yes explosives were used, and yes an airplane hit the building. Nobody is disputing that. What I want to know is how you can leap (and it is a HUUUUUUUGE leap) to the conclusion that since a plane hit the building and explosives were employed, then obvious the US govt was behind the airplane & explosive attack.

When in the history of Al'Qaeda have they ever claimed responsibility for something they didn't do? Never.

Why hasn't China or Russia called us out on it? Surely their spies would had some kind of inkling of such a plan of this magnitude, no?

[BestXXXPorn]

Frog I agree... There's just too many unanswered questions behind the entire thing and a lot of assumptions need to be drawn no matter what side you choose...

I can tell you that the benefit to the US Government has been immense. They've been able to seize more liberties and lock down rights of citizens with a pace unmatched in all of US history...

I love how people talk about "greedy wallstreet" all the time... Take a look at the US Gov, they are far, far, FAR more greedy than any company in history. They want to control every market, they want all your money, and they're willing to take it by force.

[mayabong]

No trace of explosives residue was ever found at GZero

That was your last quote.

Yes if there was explosives found, wouldn't that be big news?? LOTS of people dispute that, including any news organization) This was not in the 9/11 report... wouldn't the government maybe open up a new investigation??? I dont know how easy it is to rig a building for demolition but I'm sure it take some pretty serious planning.
I really cant believe I have to explain that.

There is very little proof that Al-Quieda was behind it at all.. this story was put out a few hours after the attacks.. and they still sticking to the same story..
I'm not trying to convert people, actually this thread is tiring.. if you wanna believe what the government spewed out its ok with me

truth is governments have used terrorism on their own people in order to get what they want for a long time.

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by mayabong

truth is governments have used terrorism on their own people in order to get what they want for a long time.

What do you think global warming is, lol... It's propaganda supported by the government in order to push their own agenda... Cap & Trade anyone?

Before people jump my case, I'm not saying we shouldn't try and reduce our carbon footprint and work towards cleaner, more renewable resources... that's just common sense.

[Naechy]

Also yes the "earthquake" theory seems like a decent theory, no

[CheeseFrog]

Originally Posted by mayabong

No trace of explosives residue was ever found at GZero

That was your last quote.

Yes if there was explosives found, wouldn't that be big news?? LOTS of people dispute that, including any news organization) This was not in the 9/11 report... wouldn't the government maybe open up a new investigation??? I dont know how easy it is to rig a building for demolition but I'm sure it take some pretty serious planning.
I really cant believe I have to explain that.

There is very little proof that Al-Quieda was behind it at all.. this story was put out a few hours after the attacks.. and they still sticking to the same story..
I'm not trying to convert people, actually this thread is tiring.. if you wanna believe what the government spewed out its ok with me

I was just playing devil's advocate on the last quote. But I don't necessarily believe the "official" story from the government. However, it sure is a lot more believable than people claiming that the US govt. was behind it, simply because explosives were used.

Basically the truthers' whole argument goes something like "Wow, that building didn't fall how I would imagine it would fall. Therefor it was an inside job!"