smutnut

Like you, he can read minds. What a bunch of hypocrites!

BobG

I appreciate your input on this topic, i really do. I love a good intelligent debate but dude seriously, you say some stupid shit. How old are you man? The whole "you can read minds" dig... so petty and childish. Surprised you didn't say, "nanny nanny nanny" at the end. No man, i can't read minds. You got me there. I can however, draw logical conclusions based on what I know about kids and administrators, on having attending school in the area, and from my experience with school policies. It's like reading minds for intelligent people. google it.

smutnut

Well, now that the "nothing personal" "Cinco De Mayo Anti American Flag holidays" are over, maybe we can gear up for some Memorial Day and July 4th deportations. That can be nothing personal too, just some good old fashion reinforcement of federal law.

BobG

Cinco De Mayo is now an Anti-American holiday? Can you explain?

smutnut

Everybody always thinks their personal point of view is the correct one. All people with special interests interpret things for their own self serving agendas instead of just going by the book and interpreting things objectively.

smutnut

Anti American "Flag" Holiday. This is how you debate logically, by leaving words out and twisting things around for your own self serving meaning. It's anti-flag because the kids were sent home for wearing the colors of our country. If this had happened to Mexican kids in an all white school who were wearing their colors on the fourth of July, all hell would be breaking lose right now! They'd probably be riots. They'd certainly be law suits and all types of television bullshit going on.

BobG

and what's your personal point of view? Objective as it must be I'm sure.

smutnut

It's very objective. You don't send one certain group of kids home for wearing anything that doesn't go against school policy. If you think there's going to be violence you either call in the police or send everyone home. That's pretty fair and basic. No favors or special concerns to anyone, especially some group you think is going to start violence and are basically extorting and blackmailing you. This is why we pay taxes to the police and etc.

BobG

Administrators should never take action on their own if they think that there might be a fight? Step 1 is always call the police?

smutnut

How do you take action against something that hasn't happened yet? That's paranoia and makes you mentally unfit to be running things. Why would you even take it against the kids who aren't the ones going to be committing the crimes you think are going to happen? Why would you take it against the kids who's freedom of expression is being violated? Why don't you join the terrorists and go after South Park? They like to fire people up and cause controversy too.

BobG

Easy, think Iraq... weapons of mass destruction... preemptive strike. How do you take action against burning your hand on a hot stove if it hasn't happened yet? Why pull over a drunk driver if he hasn't killed anyone or caused an accident yet?

Our ability to be able to logically predict what might, could or will happen in the future with relative accuracy based on what has happened in the past is something that separates humans from other animals. We learn from history.

smutnut

You're comparing apples and oranges. We're talking about kids choosing to wear something that didn't violate school policy in any way whatsoever, and if you can compare them to Iraq, then that neighborhood is about as anti American as you can get.

BobG

Your question was:

How do you take action against something that hasn't happened yet?

My answer was:

One example of how we as a country took action against something that hadn't happened yet, was to launch a preemptive strike in Iraq for fear that they might use weapons of mass destruction. Not debatable... we did that and that answers your question. Whether you understand it or not is your own problem.

another example of taking action against something that hasn't happened yet is pulling over drunk drivers so that they don't cause an accident. This is an easy one.

You, objective thinker, seriously don't understand that taking action against things that have not happened yet is how we stay alive on a day to day basis? If not then stop looking both ways when you cross the street.

smutnut

When you pull over drunk drivers, they have to be drunk, duh! That's the crime.

The preventive strike against Iraq turned up no weapons of mass destruction so another bad preventive thing to do.

These kids were doing something that was not against the law or school policy. No one had any right to tell them not to do anything or to commit violence against them in anyway.

maybe you're the one who doesn't understand the big picture.

I am passionately against any form of censorship or suppression of expression. I can't believe someone in the porn business isn't or the art world or the entertainment world isn't.

BobG

So you're ok with flag burning then?

smutnut

It doesn't really do anything for me one way or the other, but I don't really think it should be banned. I'm not a republican, just sick and tired of the opposite extreme

BobG

The fact that we as adults allow the flag and patriotism to be at issue as a result of the smart ass actions of these kids serves to make us all dumber. It has nothing to do with the flag and everything to do with kids being kids and administrators doing whatever it takes to prevent fights from happening at a high school in a small town. I just spoke with teacher from the next district over and he said that there, there was already heightened security and a police presence on campus that day because of the potential for "brown on brown" violence. With the potential for trouble already smoldering, administrators were surely not out of line in viewing the posturing of these 4 antagonists as a potential match.

Rique

Kids shouldnt have tried being controversial knowing the rift it would have caused. They brought attention to themselves. Such is life. Move on.

jackknoff

What's all this fuss about Mayonnaise? And why does it have it's own holiday?

Went to the AT&T store yesterday to check out an iPhone, they were closed for Cinco de Mayo, only their cleaning staff were there. Sadly, their cleaning staff were all Mexican. True story, oh the irony.

Why is wearing an American flag in an American school considered disruptive? You gotta be kidding me. This was a case of reverse discrimination clear and simple. If a Mexican student was sent home for having a Mexican Flag on his clothing, the school would be facing a civil rights lawsuit. I was glad to hear that the school board acted quickly and admonished the one who sent them home.

America is one giant melting pot. One of our greatest strengths is that we are so diverse. Other nations simply don't have this. It would be a travesty to let PC tear us apart.

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smutnut

Spoken like a true Facist!

BobG

Go on and let these kids and their little prank make an idiot out of you. Go on believing that their intentions were pure and patriotic. It's what you want and you will not settle for less. Little fucking kids pulling your strings, got you right where they want you. Sad.

Fletch XXX

One thing is for certain. next cinco de mayo plenty of kids gonna wear American flag shirts LOL

The school has officially oked them now. Its on next year.

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smutnut

It doesn't matter what their intentions were. You're missing the whole point.

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BobG

No, you're missing the point. In your world intentions may not matter. Fortunately courts of law do not share your closed mindedness. Intent does matter and is very much relevant in courts of law. Their intention was to be divisive, "in your face", obnoxious, ruffle feathers, and antagonize people celebrating a day of cultural observance. They wore the flag with negative intentions. They wore the flag with pride the same way skinheads wear what they wear with pride... with negative intentions. The potential for serious trouble that the prank presented is what was at issue with the administrators, not the flag itself. Are you not smarter than kids? Do you not know what they were trying to do? According to you, no intelligent human being could have come to the determination that they were looking to start trouble or for a fight? Maybe if you were around high school kids all day every day like these administrators are, you would have a better sense for how kids misbehave and what could happen as a result of such a seemingly harmless (to you) prank. You're the expert though right, not them?

I know, i know... I'm wrong right... it's more likely that the administrators hate the flag and hate America and love Mexicans and censorship so much and that all white people are losing their rights in this country. The administrators weren't at all worried about keeping the peace right, they just wanted to keep the white man down. Poor disenfranchised Caucasian angel children can't even be obnoxious, disrespect other peoples cultural observance days and use the flag to stir up trouble anymore, what has this country come to right? Wrong!

Remember, it's a small town public high school where kids misbehave and where order needs to be maintained (spoken like a true fascist right... blah blah blah), not your front lawn. The administrators did the only thing that they could do to prevent further incident. Four bad apples were about to spoil the bunch. I must say though, clever prank by these kids. They wanted to stir up shit and they succeeded. They ended up stirring up confusion and making adults look like idiots in the process.

smutnut

You need to get out of porn or anything to do with creativity and expression and get yourself a job working in a prison. Work yourself up to warden and you be a big shot and tell everyone what to wear and how to act and everything else.

And don't talk like you're a fucking lawyer because you saw a few episodes of law and order. Those kids violated no law so to bring the law into it at all shows exactly where your mind is at.

You're a bully who wants to control people's lives and thoughts. You'd be great in prison administration if you don't get stabbed to death before you learn a little.

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BobG

Right. At the high school you'd run, there would be no rules. You'd let kids run wild and do whatever they want and everything would be so easy and awesome. All administrators, judges, police and even parents who put rules on their kids are fascist prison guards. Blah blah blah.

smutnut

No, I'd make them wear bow ties and numbers to identify them and tell them they could only listen to cucaracha music and eat burritos or they'd have to be sent home

_Richard_

they should have just shut up, took of their clothes showing their national flags in order to appease people who are using physical violence to intimidate the administration to get what it wants?

BobG

Nah, just a little class would suffice.

smutnut

Class by your definition of course.

Classy people are usually pretty violent and like to beat people down for not wearing things they agree with or like

_Richard_

they're teenage boys, class doesn't really kick in for another decade.

frankly, what should have happened is this should have blown over, they should have gotten pushed around a bit and learned some personal lessons about poking fun at other people

instead they caused a massive national debate that exposes a few weaknesses on how the social structure is run

BobG

And there we have it folks. A glimpse at the origin of a moron's misguided opinions.

smutnut

That's exactly what should have happened, but he's of the opinion that this neighborhood is so violent that these kids would have been killed or worse.

BobG

Yes, that is my opinion, because I'm fucking from there and I've seen it happen. I see where Richard is coming from, but if the policy was to just let kids get pushed around a bit instead of prevention, administrators would be overwhelmed with controlling fights. Kids did actually get seriously injured and even stabbed when I was there. That's why prevention is a high priority there and that's why administrators acted as they did. Some of those Mexican kids in that area are with out a doubt, dangerous. If administrators did not act, the headline could have very well been, "Four Kids Stabbed On CDM". It's unfortunate that it's like that but it is. Strict policy dictates that administrators must act to do what they feel is best to protect the kids and that's what administrators had in mind when they acted. Surely you can't believe it was just for the sake of censorship of the US flag, that's absurd. Too absurd to be true.

Parents were actually already keeping their kids home that day because of the expectation that there might be "brown v brown" violence. Administrators were already on edge, there was heightened security and even police presence on campus. They would have been incompetent had they allowed a few goofballs to undermine their security measures.

smutnut

Then that neighborhood should be shut down. There's no reason for people to live in that kind of violence, and violence over something that has to do with our countries symbols. That's close to treason and terrorism.

You basically want martial law. Which would be fine by me as long as it doesn't spill over into my area, but don't complain later if you want to give it all up over something like this.

BobG

LOL. I wish the world was as simple as it is in your mind.

Read between the lines man. I know this might be a first for you but go a little beneath the surface and you'll begin to understand that this has nothing to do with our countries symbols and everything to do with keeping the peace and disallowing trouble makers at a high school. The flag in this instance is a pawn. The kids used the flag. Believing that this is about our countries symbols is like believing that when someone shouts fire in a crowded theater, it's about fire or movies. Be smart man, don't be fooled by kids.

No matter what you're wearing or not... if you start trouble at a high school, you'll be sent home. This is not about the flag.

mrjoint

Dude we all know the kids were trying to stir up shit. Unless school had policies in place about dress code (which some public schools do now), they are wrong for sending the kids home.

Yes they were worried fights could break out. And as per your post they already had heighten security in place. Then why did the admin wanted to send these kids home ? they already had security right ???

We understand running a high school isn't easy. I know couple of friends who are principals in public high schools. It's a fucking nightmare. To me it sounds like , action offended the admin more than fellow students.

What the school should do is develop policies to handle things better. Kids are kids and adults needs to educate them. Not act like kids them self.

It is ok to be proud of your heritage and celebrate whatever you want. America does allow that. But Americans don't like to be pissed on.

Thats why I find it funny, when people bring Mexican flags to public demonstration shouting in Spanish. It's like saying I want to move into your house ,but I want you to change your house rules.

If that were the case, why did they leave mexico ? They did move here for better life right ? they why try to change it ?? I don't understand it.

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Exactly, in the end, the kids won. And next year, more American kids will wear the red-white-blue.

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smutnut

Dude you really make this area sound like a Mexican Terrorist organization in the making. "trouble makers for wearing the countries colors" "shouting fire in a crowded theater" What the fuck, man? To tell you the truth, I can't imagine the people there or the area in general being as bad as you're making it out to be. They must be so ashamed of themselves by now everyone will be wearing American flags next year!

brentbacardi

WOW this is all fucking retarded. Since when do we need to cater to idiots with anger problems. If seeing an american flag might cause you to riot then you probably shouldn't live in america, and if you do, they have special places for you to get an education. Possibly start in special ed where a teacher can hold your hand and tell you its ok and that an american flag is ok and make sure you don't hyperventilate, and if you end up kicking someones head in, im pretty sure they teach high school in prisons, so you will still get your free education.

Why do we cater to crazy fucking morons of any race creed sexuality or color?

and BTW America was founded on a war for our freedoms, I don't think the founding fathers would have peoples freedoms taken away because there might be a brawl and someone could get a black eye OH MY!

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smutnut

Or even shot in the face for that matter.

brentbacardi

Yeah, well if you have to worry about that at your high school then its already fucked up, and taking off kids american flag t shirts isn't going to change anything....

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Do you get this upset on St. Patrick's day too?

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_Richard_

I get what you're saying and obviously this situation is different on the ground. But there is a reason violence is so predominant in every society and that is because we're hardwired to understand, and most often relate, to a different group of people that isn't understood.

frankly, if there was an situation banning the wearing of burkas because there was no way the people wearing those cultural clothes safety could be protected, there would be riots and protests.

Why isn't the 'majority' protected, formally and informally, the same way? People are dying for this flag at the moment, and kids aren't able to wear them to school because they're being 'racist'?

brassmonkey

damn shame being sent home for being american

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