dyna mo

umm, yeah, i'll start referencing youtube for the accurate information.

mmcfadden

All your posts are meaningless crap regarding this issue recapped what the media is saying. Is worthless information and you are buying it.

You can listen to the media, I will listen to the old man who makes a lot more sense. Maybe he said enough oil has spilled to cover 40% of the surface, I don't know, don't feel like listening to it again. Point is its a lot of oil and it is not stopped.

Why don't you just play with your dick for a while.

dyna mo

here's a physicist's view on it, i know he's not an expert like mcfaggin, and i did find this via google, not the upstanding and respected news source known as youtube, so don't get brainwashed by what he states.


There was brief speculation in the media about using nuclear weapons to seal up the raging oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico. I think this is a bad idea, from a physics point of view. Let me say that my mentor while I was in high school and at Harvard, Edward Teller, father of the H-bomb, was a firm advocate of using nuclear weapons to dig out canals and other grand engineering projects. The logic is this: when an H-bomb is detonated underground, most of its energy is in the form of soft X-rays, which deposit most of their energy in a large sphere, where it is absorbed and the energy turned to intense heat. (In the air, this ball of hot ionized plasma rises rapidly, with cold air coming in from the side, which gives rise to the familiar mushroom cloud).

Underground, we then have a hollow sphere of vaporized gas, with walls that have been glassified from the sand. This hollow sphere is stable from a few hours to a few days, but eventually the weight of the rock collapses the sphere. The result is a sudden collapse of the sphere, often releasing radioactive gas into the environment. In the wake of this explosion, we now have a huge hole, often over 1,000 feet across, which, as envisioned by Dr. Teller, could be used to create canals. The Soviets actually experimented with this method to seal gas leaks during the 1960s and '70s.

If this takes place under the sea floor (which has never been done before), there are bound to be complications. First, there would be the release of dangerous, water-soluble chemicals such as radioactive iodine, strontium, and cesium, which would contaminate the food chain in the Gulf. Second, the "seal" created by the glassified sand is probably unstable. And third, it might actually make the problem worse, creating many mini leaks on the ocean floor. Determining the precise effect of such an underwater blast would depend on crucial computer simulations of the various layers of rock under the seafloor, which has never been done before.

In other words, this would bea huge science experiment, with unintended consequences. Furthermore, with hurricane season upon us, and predictions of eight or more hurricanes for this season, it means that seawater several hundred feet below the surface of the water could be churned up and then deposited over the South. This seawater, containing oils and radioactive fission products, would magnify the environmental problem.

In summary, it is not a good idea to use nukes to seal up oil leaks.

dyna mo

i won't bother with the international issues that would result from violating treaties, etc from exploding a nuclear weapon in the gulf of mexico, that would probably pop the 1 brain cell mcfaggin has.

GAMEFINEST

his a moron..

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Yeah, he's kinda proved that already.

It might be a good idea for him to avoid being photographed having fun in the vicinity of large bodies of water however.

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he's a dick, but who cares about a little boating? at least he can stand there and think about the job that needs to be done on the 'other side of hte pond'

dynastoned

http://www.bpoilspillgulf.com/bp-oil...live-feed.html

2 months after this shit happened and its still spewing at the exact same rate it was to begin with. without a care in the world.

ThumbLord

give the guy a break, this could be the last time he is able to use his yacht.

















god what an idiot !

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dyna mo

i want to apologize to mmcfadden.

it's not my style to name call and i try hard not to do so in the real world and on message boards.

i reacted to the name calling with name calling and i apologize.

bronco67

Wow, dude's so rich he can't even be bothered to drive his own fucking boat. He's like, "hey Jeeves get me some people to drive my fucking boat, bitch!"

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Obama hits golf course with Biden on another hot, humid weekend
By Bridget Johnson - 06/19/10 03:37 PM ET

President Barack Obama hit the golf course Saturday with Vice President Joe Biden.

The White House pool report noted that Obama left at about 1 p.m. for the course at Andrews Air Force base, and his golfing parters included White House Trip Director Marvin Nicholson and David Katz, the energy efficiency campaign manager at the Department of Energy.

Obama left the course shortly before 6 p.m.

Nicholson and Katz, along with Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, joined Obama for four hours of golf last weekend. The Republican National Committee released an ad soon afterward taking aim at Obama's golfing during the ongoing BP oil spill crisis in the Gulf of Mexico.

The temperatures in the Washington, D.C., area Saturday were similar to last weekend, in the low 90s and humid.

Obama attended the Washington Nationals game Friday night wearing a cap for his hometown Chicago White Sox. Sources told the pool reporter that Obama sang "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" and left in the ninth inning, before the White Sox edged out the Nationals 2-1 in the 11th.

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Glad Obama isn't losing any sleep or anything. We know how hard his life is.

maccsta

It's always a good day for a sail. Let those meaningless worries drift away!

crazytrini85

Obama went to a ball game.

You guys just don't get it. There is a reason 13 countries have been denied to assist in the stopping of this leak and it has nothing to do with The Jones Act. This is about turning an accident into an agenda and pushing through new laws.

Wake up people.

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Brujah

It doesn't bother me that Obama or BP Ceo plays golf or goes boating. Their individual specific presence 24/7 isn't going to solve anything. They have "experts" working on these problems 24/7. The top guys would only get in the way and distract from the matter at hand.

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It's actually a Conspiracy, you see: flood the world's oceans with oil and your yacht will go 2.3 knots faster.

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Obama isn't the CEO of the company that is poisoning the Gulf, but Hayward is.

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But he is the one who appointed Elizabeth Birnbaum to over see Minerals Management Service who gave Deep-water Horizon a clean bill of health for safety before the accident. According to Barry himself anything that goes on under his watch is his responsibility...but why bore you with facts right?

mmcfadden

do you see where my point was coming from?

I accept your apology but I have my thoughts... you have yours. I will choose to listen to what I want, and you will as well.

But my statement comes from somewhere and not from the 5 oclock news but rather what makes sense in my head.

roly

the guy's entitled to have a day off with his son. the fisherman in the gulf have got the whole year off.

dyna mo

well, no, i don't see your point in clinging to detonating a nuclear weapon in the gulf of mexico. regardless of whether or not you realize that it's never been done and therefor would be one huge science experiment, i feel that this sort of thinking actually misses the salient points, which are-

how do we make sure this never happens again and how do we move forward on correcting the fiasco down there. fact is, there are 2 relief wells being drilled and when one of them gets there is when the oil will stop, there's simply no other way. did bp mislead everyone about stopping the gusher, yes. trying this, that and the other was all posturing, we all get that. but the important points are self-regulation of the oil industry does not work and there are no contigency plans in place to handle a situation like this.
not to mention that our government is in bed with big business.

those are what we all need to be focused on.

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GregE

You're right about relief wells being the only proven remedy, but most times it takes more than one attempt and sometimes more than that before a leak can be stopped.

Waiting until August (or thereabouts) to see if either of the two relief wells presently being drilled can stop the leak makes sense.

But what if they both fail?

In that event, we'll be looking at Christmas before another relief well can be completed and, based on everything I've read, they'll be nothing left to save by then.

When a patient's heart stops beating on the operating table a good surgeon will throw caution to the wind and try anything and everything to keep him alive.

Don't be so surprised if Obama okay's a nuclear detonation in the event that the first two relief wells fail.

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It will never happen. Obama isn't going to disregard the advice of every physicist on the planet. Nuking that shit will take it from horrible to unimaginable.

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Vendzilla

Obama called this in from the golf course
LIke Obama from the golf course?
Like Obama, he has more pressing things to do

Glad to see some people get all the news
pretty much Obama doesn't give a shit
And when their experts come up with anything, they can take a break then
Obama is the CEO of a country
Russia used a nuke 5 times, it worked 4 times

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Amputate Your Head

1. Obama didn't cause this leak, BP did.
2. Obama is the President and as such has many, many other things to focus on as well.
3. Hayward only has one thing to do right now... fix the leak and clean up his mess.
4. Obama is doing what he's supposed to be doing. He got BP to fork $20 billion to an escrow account, he's visited the region several times, he's spoken to the country more than once. I'd say that's progress. What progress has Hayward made?
5. Russia never nuked a gushing oil leak 5000 feet below the surface of the ocean, and when every physicist is warning against it, I'm going to side with the physicists, not some story about Russia.

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dyna mo

there's simply no way a nuclear weapon can be detonated in the gulf, aside from the fact it would be an experiment, just how would we snub the nuclear treaties? no neighboring country would sit back and let the u.s. go forward willy nilly with a nuke.

see amputate's comment below, it's never been done. i'm surprised you state this ven, i thought you were better read than that.

Linguist

Well, with your wealth of good/correct info, the oil is still spilling.

While nuking may not be the best course of action, go read that article on the oil drum about possible consequences of this. Relief wells only have about 60% chance of working due to structural damage below seafloor.

They said it'll take about 30 years for the well to deplete and there's not much we can do about it.

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dyna mo

what do you mean? where did i say a relief well has a 100% success rate? or even a 90% or 60% or any statistical outcome.

i'll answer for you- i didn't.

Vendzilla

this situation is different, but they have used nukes 5 times with a 80% success rate, will we use it, no

The science is to drill a hole near the leak, set off the explosion and then seal off the leak-used in the soviet for an oil spill in the desert. If it is rocky surface the explosion would shift the rock which then squeezes the funnel of the well. The first underground nuclear explosion was done in Urt-Bulak in 1966 to control burning gas wells. The success ratio is quite high with only one of them failing to prevent a spill in Kharkov region in 1972.

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think about that

Vendzilla

1) government signed off on the rig
2) Like his golf swing? while unemployment is at 10% and we have 2 wars and out of control debt
3) I would like to see Hayward just focus on the leak and Obama mobilize on the clean up, or maybe Obama focus on anything but his agenda, now he's pushing cap and trade.
4) And how long was it till Obama actually talked to Hayward? I watched his speeches, no plan, just more bullshit
5) I didn't say it was right for us, I didn't say they did it underwater, but I did say they used nukes 5 times for leaks, that's a fact, %80 success rate
But I also believe we will never use one for that

remember that every physicist has said that Bee's shouldn't be able to fly and beware of global warming

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dyna mo

Amputate Your Head

C'mon V... pontificating about a bee's weight to wingspan ratio isn't even the same sport as detonating a nuke in an uncontrolled oil well pouring out millions of gallons of crude. We're talking about irradiating a significant portion of the Gulf. If a hurricane blows through after that, then what? We have radioactive tar balls being flung all over New Orleans? This is a good idea to you?

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Vendzilla

Ok, my background, I slept down the hall from a nuclear reactor for 3 years, I don't glow in the dark. I never said to use one, just that it has happened. The US Navy has nukes made for underwater explosions, they are called Sub Rocs.
My step father was a machinist, he had to work on a oil rig for 3 months to build a device to retrieve something that fell down in the oil well that was pretty long, he got a patent for it. I could come up with something better than that piece of shit they used.
I blame the government on this one now, at first I didn't, but new evidence shows that the government knew about the different valves that BP uses and signed off on it, so FUCK Obama for playing golf when the country is falling apart.

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think about that

Amputate Your Head

If Hayward was fired immediately, which he should be, and replaced with a fresh new guy that supposedly had all the answers.... would you be okay with the new guy taking some time off also to go enjoy multi-million dollar yacht races while the oil continues to pollute?

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And where is Bush and Cheney? Bush has a Facebook page now... where are all the Republicans bright ideas to stop the leak? Oh yeah... nuke it, then more drill baby drill. Right?

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GregE

If the consensus amongst the experts is that a nuke has a zero (or nearly zero) chance of stopping the leak, than obviously it's an option that shouldn't be considered under any circumstances.

But neither of us know for certain if that's the case. Surely, Obama will be provided with the best guess that the experts can provide before he makes any potential decision in this regard.

But, just for the sake of argument, lets say that the first two relief wells fail and the scientists tell Obama that there is in fact a 10% chance that a controlled nuclear detonation will stop the leak immediately.

Now what?

On one hand, you have the virtual certainty that the Gulf of Mexico will be transformed into a vast dead zone for generations to come if you keep doing what you've been doing.

On the other hand, if you elect to roll the dice, you just might be able save the gulf from extinction (and by extension the gulf coast from economic collapse) but, at the risk of potentially making the calamity even worse.

What do you do?

It's a decision I sure as hell wouldn't want to have to make.

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dyna mo

look, there's only a few things i'm an expert on, capping oil wells isn't one of them. i do try and educate myself by reading as much as possible and researching things to the best of my ability. i rarely watch the news, if at all.

that said, i will reply to your question. i get what you are saying. but, it's really not as black&white as you put it. if the scientist say there's a 10% chance of success but a 10% chance it will pollute the food chain in the gulf and a 10% chance it will open more fissures, then the political advisors chime in & state that if we detonate a nuke in the gulf the international backlash would cause this, that & the other, creating an even bigger mess, then what? frankly, obama doesn't have the international clout to get the buy-in needed from all necc. countries to detonate a nuke in the gulf in this situation.

next, the russians only did their nuclear kills after exhausting all other attempts, i believe those wells gushed for over a year with various methods failing prior to nuking.

it's a nightmare scenario, i get that. moreover, i get that even *if* one of the relief wells hits their target, it will still take time, perhaps a long time, to cap the well, it will not be instant nor guaranteed. btw, do you know who started the nuclear bomb solution idea? matt simmons in that video mmcfaddin posted earlier, i.e. the media. i don't know about you, but the last group of people i trust is the media.

so, no, i would not want to make the decision re: letting the well gush for years v. throwing some nuclear shit against the wall and see if it sticks.

Linguist

I was referring to the other quote of it taking 40 years to leak out, and then you mentioned that he's a wealth of incorrect info. From what it seems, the 30-40 year leakout is very well an option at this point

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dyna mo

thx for clarifying. it really does not make any difference to me if it's 40 more years or 40 more minutes, at this point in time, it's not prudent or viable to "throw a nuke down there already".

that's all i'm saying, it's too soon and it's incorrect information to state dropping one will fix the problem.

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At this point, the only way he'd please everyone is by killing himself, and even then there'd be some people saying he "took the easy way out".

Or maybe he should go golfing like Obama does since that seems to please the left enough in the face of crisis.

Seriously though, what's he going to do today that hasn't been done in the past several weeks to solve this oil crisis? They've already shown they have no idea how to stop the oil leak...taking an off day is not going to get it taken care of any slower than sitting in a room with a bunch of guys going "hmmmmmmmmmmmm...any ideas? no? hmmmmmmmmmm"

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dyna mo

now here is a nuclear option i can get behind!

Vendzilla

Did I say I was ok with Hayward taking time off?, I was attacking Obama for playing golf and Hayward getting hammered, the US is in deep shit and that asshole is always on vacation, instead of owning the problems of the country
Bush and Cheney are not in office, the GOP are not in any power, the whole mess of the US is in the democrats hands.
And yes I'm for drilling, have you seen pictures of where they want to drill in Alaska?

The only reason we drill in deep water is because no one wants to see the drill rigs...

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effect of radiation

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Put that on a cruise missile and aim for his yacht

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