Big Brother for adults

[Zorgman]

Has anyone made a Big Brother for adults only?
Like a contest where girls do sex acts in a house they all live in and there is camera every where? Members vote and each week 1-2 girls get voted off. etc

[will76]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Has anyone made a Big Brother for adults only?
Like a contest where girls do sex acts in a house they all live in and there is camera every where? Members vote and each week 1-2 girls get voted off. etc

I started a house back in 2003 with that exact same idea ( the name of it was Reality Webcams ) with a few other things added to it. The problem I had was location (was just waiting to be found out and arrested ), I didn't have good contacts for talent to put in the house, and I was basically trying to do everything from run the house to advertising, to doing all of the design, etc.

The concept is great and did well, but to me it wasn't worth the risk and it ate up too much of my time. I've expanded upon the idea and concept in my head over the years and truly have a kick ass approach to doing a site for this now. I'm just hoping one day I meet the right company with the resources to be able to put it all together with my guidance and ideas. If done right, it would be huge, make millions and be untouched by tube sites / free porn.

To my knowledge no one else has even done a site like this. The closest thing I have ever come across was webcam houses like GGW, but there was no voting or interaction other than chat etc.

[AdPatron]

Wouldn't be hard to find sponsors.

[CHARGER]

there is a guy that contacted me few months ago with a similar idea and wanted me to put everything together with my contacts in argentina and another one on colombia too


But we never concreted anything good luck

[AdPatron]

It's been done before, I remember seeing someone do it.

[EliteWebmaster]

Cool idea. But getting revenue to run and maintain the project over a period of time without sponsorship would be tough

[Zorgman]

Well it wouldn't need sponsors. You would run it like a paysite with live feeds, recorded shows, forums etc.

[darksoul]

bigsister.net comes close

[raven1083]

I've heard so much about it before

[Dtothex]

I think the concept is a great one but a logistical nightmare in terms of running.

[Realgfs]

I remember a program like that running on a adult tv channel about 12 years ago

[ro8in]

Theres a few webcam sites that have a voyeur house. Sort of big brother.

[emjay]

Originally Posted by ro8in

Theres a few webcam sites that have a voyeur house. Sort of big brother.

Indeed. Carlos and the "Bigsister" house in Prague springs to mind...

[kane]

There was the Voyeur Dorm that was around for a while and I used to promote. It sold like crazy. It wasn't really game show, it was just a house where hot girls lived. Some would go int he chat room and rest walked around naked, slept naked, cooked naked and swam naked. Every once in a while they had events like a pool party or naked twister or body painting and things like that.

[will76]

Originally Posted by kane

There was the Voyeur Dorm that was around for a while and I used to promote. It sold like crazy. It wasn't really game show, it was just a house where hot girls lived. Some would go int he chat room and rest walked around naked, slept naked, cooked naked and swam naked. Every once in a while they had events like a pool party or naked twister or body painting and things like that.

yeah what everyone is mentioning here is just cam houses, what he is talking about is taking it to a different level where the members of the site control everything not just a "voyeur house" where people site back and watch and they most they get to do is chat.

Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster

Cool idea. But getting revenue to run and maintain the project over a period of time without sponsorship would be tough

there would be a very easy way to get sponsors involved and several different ways to monitize traffic, but the site on its own would do very very well just from monthly membership fees.

Originally Posted by emjay

Indeed. Carlos and the "Bigsister" house in Prague springs to mind...

If I remember right he has a pretty unique idea but different than what the original poster is talking about. I believe bigsister allows viewers to go to the house and have sex with the girls for free and other members get to watch.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Has anyone made a Big Brother for adults only?
Like a contest where girls do sex acts in a house they all live in and there is camera every where? Members vote and each week 1-2 girls get voted off. etc

If you looking to build something and have the resources to do it, let me know I have the blue prints to the exact concept you are looking to do and have learned from trial and error what works the best.

I didn't get to impliment half of what I wanted to do, did almost all of the work myself (including design - which sucked) sent a limited amount of traffic to it and still had the site generate a couple hundred thousand in membership sales. It converted great, the concept is unique and addictive to members (long retention rates) it can't be pirated, i can't believe a bigger adult company or cam company hasn't done this yet right. Here was my half hearted attempt with limited resources: http://web.archive.org/web/200301241...tywebcams.com/ which still did well.

[Zorgman]

Exactly Will, for example;
Say 10 girls in the house, all sleep in double beds in 1 big room.
The 10 girls would be models that want to be the next "pornstar" and this is their tryout.
Each day they get an activity to do, like make a porn movie and story, give a blowjobs POV and the guy rates her. Best body paint model, lingerie day, nude day, spin the bottle, truth or dare games and the list goes on. I'm sure there is lots of thing you can get 10 girls to do, including mass orgies.

Each girl votes to send 2 other girls away which counts for 40% of the score
Members vote to send 2 girls off which counts for 60% of the scrore.

Put them to gether and 1 girl with the highest votes to go, goes home.
Each week 1 girl goes home until you have your last model which wins the contract.

Members write messages to the girls and read them out on video during the "Q&A" seasons with all the girls.

Outside the box.

[candyflip]

One of my good friends from High School won the second US Big Brother.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Exactly Will, for example;
Say 10 girls in the house, all sleep in double beds in 1 big room.
The 10 girls would be models that want to be the next "pornstar" and this is their tryout.
Each day they get an activity to do, like make a porn movie and story, give a blowjobs POV and the guy rates her. Best body paint model, lingerie day, nude day, spin the bottle, truth or dare games and the list goes on. I'm sure there is lots of thing you can get 10 girls to do, including mass orgies.

Each girl votes to send 2 other girls away which counts for 40% of the score
Members vote to send 2 girls off which counts for 60% of the scrore.

Put them to gether and 1 girl with the highest votes to go, goes home.
Each week 1 girl goes home until you have your last model which wins the contract.

Members write messages to the girls and read them out on video during the "Q&A" seasons with all the girls.

Outside the box.

I have a list of hundreds of things you can do with this concept. I'll throw out a couple things here, maybe it will spark someone's interest to do a site like this and I can help them. The key to everything is MEMBER INTERACTION. It is not only the solution to free porn / tube sites but it is the model that will make you the most money because of a lot longer retention rates. My idea basically makes the site 1/2 porn 1/2 mainstream, just as much entertainment as it is about sex. Every member on the site participates in several different ways.

To do this right you need to have a lot of resources including a lot of cash. This would be a perfect concept for an existing big cam site with the funds to buy a house, wire it up, and hire a staff to run it.

If anyone has the resources to pull this off and you are thinking about doing it, contact me. If done right this would be huge it is also easy to fuck up if you wind up with basically just another cam house setup.

[Zorgman]

Originally Posted by will76

If anyone has the resources to pull this off and you are thinking about doing it, contact me. If done right this would be huge it is also easy to fuck up if you wind up with basically just another cam house setup.

Also if you do take this idea up, make sure you remember me.

[Dirty Lord]

Originally Posted by candyflip

One of my good friends from High School won the second US Big Brother.

wow....niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

[Agent 488]

make one with jersey shore types.

[charlie g]

jersey whores. Every week a lucky member can win a "date" with the chick of his choosing. Also, the cast could have the deep-throating contests with cucumbers or bananas for an "r" rated member and have fucking contests for "x" members to view. If done correctly, it could bring porn one more step closer to mainstream. Tubes, who needs stinking tubes.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by charlie g

jersey whores. Every week a lucky member can win a "date" with the chick of his choosing.

The only winning move is not to play.

[John-ACWM]

Live cams will always do a fine job!

[SZNY]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Has anyone made a Big Brother for adults only?
Like a contest where girls do sex acts in a house they all live in and there is camera every where? Members vote and each week 1-2 girls get voted off. etc

I have something similar running www.villavoyeur.com and 1 week ago during one of the soccer games I was brainwaving with my friend to do something as a 18+ BB with Czech and Slovak Pornstars.

Creating a voting system wouldn't be a problem. I think it would be even cool that the pornstars would do scheduled fuck shows and interviews.

Maybe something for the future because with all the new things coming up as the Google Pads and Google TV this could be deployed on 2 extra mediums.

[Mike Dutch]

Originally Posted by darksoul

bigsister.net comes close

Amazing what they did there, was pretty impressed with their setup

[TeenCat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawn_Together



and +1 for http://bigsister.net and http://villavoyeur.com

[Zorgman]

So just out of interest, what would this cost to setup? $200k ?
I guess once it's up you could use it for anything, pornstars, lesbians, gay guys, fetish or any other niches. Could change every 3 months so something new.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

So just out of interest, what would this cost to setup? $200k ?
I guess once it's up you could use it for anything, pornstars, lesbians, gay guys, fetish or any other niches. Could change every 3 months so something new.

1. Cost of a big house
2. Furnish big house
3. Hardware - 20+ cams, several work stations, servers, etc.. couple networking guys working several days getting it all set up.
4. Bandwidth, price varying greatly depending on where you located.
5. Someone to hire, recruit talent.
6. On site tech support / referee / house mom / manager type. (security depending on where you located and if the house location is made public.)
7. Cash for operational costs till profits start coming in.
8. Everything else that goes with any website: design, programming, advertising, affiliate promotions, etc.
9. Basically you need what would be the equivalent of a sitcom writer, someone to come up with everything that will take place in the house / marketing and product developement type guy.

I am sure I am forgeting a few things.

[Zorgman]

The only thing I can think of not on that list will, is food & drinks for the talent.

Thanks.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by will76

I started a house back in 2003 with that exact same idea ( the name of it was Reality Webcams ) with a few other things added to it. The problem I had was location (was just waiting to be found out and arrested ), I didn't have good contacts for talent to put in the house, and I was basically trying to do everything from run the house to advertising, to doing all of the design, etc.

The concept is great and did well, but to me it wasn't worth the risk and it ate up too much of my time. I've expanded upon the idea and concept in my head over the years and truly have a kick ass approach to doing a site for this now. I'm just hoping one day I meet the right company with the resources to be able to put it all together with my guidance and ideas. If done right, it would be huge, make millions and be untouched by tube sites / free porn.

To my knowledge no one else has even done a site like this. The closest thing I have ever come across was webcam houses like GGW, but there was no voting or interaction other than chat etc.

I hear what you're saying

Originally Posted by Dtothex

I think the concept is a great one but a logistical nightmare in terms of running.

That's correct

Originally Posted by will76

If I remember right he has a pretty unique idea but different than what the original poster is talking about. I believe bigsister allows viewers to go to the house and have sex with the girls for free and other members get to watch.

We tried more things like live swingers nights every Saturday, private couples shooting their home vids on Sunday, live thematic nights - all hardcore

Guests fucking girls is fun to watch but the quality of sex actually sucks, average Italian for example lasts in bed for 1 - 2 minutes - a bunch of bloopers and fails on video though )

Originally Posted by will76

If you looking to build something and have the resources to do it, let me know I have the blue prints to the exact concept you are looking to do and have learned from trial and error what works the best.

I didn't get to impliment half of what I wanted to do, did almost all of the work myself (including design - which sucked) sent a limited amount of traffic to it and still had the site generate a couple hundred thousand in membership sales. It converted great, the concept is unique and addictive to members (long retention rates) it can't be pirated, i can't believe a bigger adult company or cam company hasn't done this yet right. Here was my half hearted attempt with limited resources: http://web.archive.org/web/200301241...tywebcams.com/ which still did well.

You need a lot of money - the run is expensive and you need a decent volume of members from the start to kick off the interaction, if you wanted to chat some more about it outside the public board you can email me

Originally Posted by SZNY

I have something similar running www.villavoyeur.com and 1 week ago during one of the soccer games I was brainwaving with my friend to do something as a 18+ BB with Czech and Slovak Pornstars.

Creating a voting system wouldn't be a problem. I think it would be even cool that the pornstars would do scheduled fuck shows and interviews.

Maybe something for the future because with all the new things coming up as the Google Pads and Google TV this could be deployed on 2 extra mediums.

This is actually closest to what you're describing, I'm gonna be promoting this soon - SZNY is a webcam visionaire and I know what he's talking about cause I was in the house

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by will76

1. Cost of a big house
2. Furnish big house
3. Hardware - 20+ cams, several work stations, servers, etc.. couple networking guys working several days getting it all set up.
4. Bandwidth, price varying greatly depending on where you located.
5. Someone to hire, recruit talent.
6. On site tech support / referee / house mom / manager type. (security depending on where you located and if the house location is made public.)
7. Cash for operational costs till profits start coming in.
8. Everything else that goes with any website: design, programming, advertising, affiliate promotions, etc.
9. Basically you need what would be the equivalent of a sitcom writer, someone to come up with everything that will take place in the house / marketing and product developement type guy.

I am sure I am forgeting a few things.

You're totally right,

- if there is not anyone to provide the "program" the people get in general very boring after a while, so you really need someone as a cheerleader to hype things up, you also need someone to provide the "program" beforehand

- don't forget extremely unreliable talent - you won't get exactly functional people to fuck in front of the cams, this is a never ending pain

- If you'd recruit "professionals" they'll be dull as hell, unable to provide a sensible sentence, and the fucking will be boring as 99 pct. of hardcore porn

[will76]

One day I am going to bump into someone who wants to do something like this and have the resources to pull it off. While I don't give away ideas and work for free, I would LOVE to see all my plans for this type of site become a reality and even if I could get 1% piece of it I know it would end up turning into a pile of cash.

I am in the wrong location and don't have the resources to do it right. I tried and while it made good money it damned near killed me trying to do it not to mention the wife wasn't too thrilled about me going to fix talent's pc's at 2am. Which the dumb girls cat knocked the power cord out of the pc and while chicks fighting is great content for the site, I don't want to have to be the one to referee that shit. I was also worried about possible legal issues. So someone would need a location where they wouldn't have to worry about zoning or possible obscenity issues.

This is one of those projects I was never able to stop thinking about and always rethought in my head and added new things to what I hope some day to see live.

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

You're totally right,

- if there is not anyone to provide the "program" the people get in general very boring after a while, so you really need someone as a cheerleader to hype things up

- don't forget extremely unreliable talent - you won't get exactly functional people to fuck in front of the cams, this is a never ending pain

- If you'd recruit "professionals" they'll be dull as hell, unable to provide a sensible sentence, and the fucking will be boring as 99 pct. of hardcore porn

I started from scratch and ran my own house for about a year doing almost all of the work myself. Talent was also a big problem for me, the only talent I know was local and I didn't want to put local people in the house because I knew the word would get out and didn't want the publicity / heat. I had the hardest time trying to find girls and I didn't have a reputation with the talent side of the industry and the site was new. Using OMP trying to find girls to fly in and come live in the house lol was a little rough. I am sure a big company with a good reputation wouldn't have that problem and some turn over is good actually. Someone has to get voted off, you just rig the voting to kick out the girl who was going to leave anyway

Think digital soap opera type porn site. People get addicted to the drama, the get heavily involved into the site, they get to make decisions and call the shots, and they get to get off. I was hardly able to scratch the surface with my site and the retention rates were kick ass.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

I'm gonna use the "Will76 style" quoting now

Originally Posted by will76

One day I am going to bump into someone who wants to do something like this and have the resources to pull it off. While I don't give away ideas and work for free, I would LOVE to see all my plans for this type of site become a reality and even if I could get 1% piece of it I know it would end up turning into a pile of cash.

Good luck, people with money that I met are actually allergic to the word "potential"

Originally Posted by will76

I am in the wrong location and don't have the resources to do it right. I tried and while it made good money it damned near killed me trying to do it not to mention the wife wasn't too thrilled about me going to fix talent's pc's at 2am. Which the dumb girls cat knocked the power cord out of the pc and while cat fights is great content for the site, I don't want to have to be the one to referee that shit. I was also worried about possible legal issues. So someone would need a location where they wouldn't have to worry about zoning or possible obscenity issues.

I so hear this!

A couple requirements:

- language - language is super important! People are not interested in the actual sex as much as listening to the bullshit! One can't forget this is more than jerking off in front of the screen.

- infrastructure - if you wanted to set this up in a Euro Trash country the services are usually:

i) expensive
ii) super bureaucratic setup
iii) quality sucks

- communicative talent

- zero drug policy - this is super important unless you want to broadcast zoo and get closed down by police, you need to test the talent regularly and kick them out anytime you caught them

So you have to be very careful with planning and need the pimp hand strong, it's very exhausting

Originally Posted by will76

This is one of those projects I was never able to stop thinking about and always rethought in my head and added new things to what I hope some day to see live.

It's over for me, I just don't ever want to run any 24/7 setup anymore, there are easier ways to make money

Originally Posted by will76

I started from scratch and ran my own house for about a year doing almost all of the work myself. Talent was also a big problem for me, the only talent I know was local and I didn't want to put local people in the house because I knew the word would get out and didn't want the publicity / heat. I had the hardest time trying to find girls and I didn't have a reputation with the talent side of the industry and the site was new. Trying to get them to fly in to come live in a house on OMP lol was a little rough.

But this is totally true also

Originally Posted by will76

I am sure a big company with a good reputation wouldn't have that problem and some turn over is good actually. Someone has to get voted off, you just rig the voting to kick out the girl who was going to leave anyway

"Good reputation" is too often sold in this "biz"

Originally Posted by will76

Think digital soap opera type porn site. People get addicted to the drama, the get heavily involved into the site, they get to make decisions and call the shots, and they get to get off. I was hardly able to scratch the surface with my site and the retention rates were kick ass.

SHHHHHH!

for Christ's sake Will don't give it out here in public!

Someone had the very same idea some time ago

[will76]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I'm gonna use the "Will76 style" quoting now



Good luck, people with money that I met are actually allergic to the word "potential"



I so hear this!

A couple requirements:

- language - language is super important! People are not interested in the actual sex as much as listening to the bullshit! One can't forget this is more than jerking off in front of the screen.

- infrastructure - if you wanted to set this up in a Euro Trash country the services are usually:

i) expensive
ii) super bureaucratic setup
iii) quality sucks

- communicative talent

- zero drug policy - this is super important unless you want to broadcast zoo and get closed down by police, you need to test the talent regularly and kick them out anytime you caught them

So you have to be very careful with planning and need the pimp hand strong, it's very exhausting



It's over for me, I just don't ever want to run any 24/7 setup anymore, there are easier ways to make money





But this is totally true also



"Good reputation" is too often sold in this "biz"



SHHHHHH!

for Christ's sake Will don't give it out here in public!

Someone had the very same idea some time ago

Everything is "potential" You just want to have the lowest risk/investment with the highest potential rewards. I'd stake my 10+ year reputation and my time that if someone followed my advice this site would be very very successful and profitable. I'd work for 100% free on the deal for a very small % of ownership / profit share.

In the US would be ideal, a location where porn is ok, maybe Vegas or Socal ? That would make the internet access cheap and no BS. I tried to help someone wire up a whore house in Santa Damingo, the politics and trying to get the bandwidth to the building was next to impossible and very expensive... not worth it. The site I have invisioned wouldn't be hardcore, there is no need. Actually hardcore would hurt you more than help as it would alienate the mainstream members who weren't there just for the porn.

I'm just trying to give out enough to let people know this is truely a multi million dollar idea and HUGE ASSET to an existing ppm cam site company or big membership company who needs to diversify into other things than pics and vids. The successful people know that you need someone involved that knows what the hell they are doing to advise on how to set it up and how it should be run. If someone tried to take a couple nuggets from this thread and attempted to do it on their own they would very likely piss away all of their money and totally blow the idea and potential. I literally have hundreds of ideas for the project that would be kick ass, from promoting it, to getting affiliates to push it, to what it can ultimately evolve into, to intergration into their existing site. It needs to be done right, I would love to see it built.

I'm tired of having a shelf full of great ideas and never seeing them implimented. The most frustraiting part is it seems like everyone with a cam site or who is still left with money doesn't want to listen on ways to make more money. When ever I talk to site owners, i think they ignore everything I am saying and just reply back with ... " well what would I have to do to get you to send us your traffic" This is a no brainer for a big cam site and salvation for a big picture and video membership site company.

[Raf1]

it's a cool idea for sure, but in need of some pretty serious funding. Good luck to anyone who goes through with it. I'd gladly promote a website like that

[SZNY]

This can be for sure a very good idea, if you can show some nudity for free online plus making it interactive it can be pretty successful but you need loads of traffic and for sure funds.

The development part is the easiest part. Finding talent, sketch, managing the whole process will be a hard one.

If you really want to do something like this you there needs to be collaboration with a cam company and a big content producer/brand/label.

This could be required to offer the 18+ BB winners cash a contract to be featured in one of the new productions and offering them their own site.

In this region (Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary) there is enough talent but you need to offer them something.

So in other words you need to have some heavy funds for a) talent scouting, b) location/facilities, c) staff and d) marketing lots of marketing that generates traffic.

Once you have that settled you need to define a format/storybook that will never end but only grows.

Lets say you work with a group of 10 individuals (6 girls / 4 guys) and the term is 4 weeks you will to have a new group stand by to do the next term.

Also focus on your revenue streams (web, mobile, sms and future Google TV) and define a combined pay-per-second business model and subscription fee.

Once again this you can't do alone, you will need to hookup with some big online adult company who participates in revenue sharing and as added value finding new talents.

[Zorgman]

Unless your using newbie models. My first idea was this would be to find a new amateur model and get a site dedicated to her. Could also start by having only girls in the house and working the guys into the action per day, rather then having the guys in there too. This would mean more girls in the house but still be able to use guys outside.

[SZNY]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Unless your using newbie models. My first idea was this would be to find a new amateur model and get a site dedicated to her. Could also start by having only girls in the house and working the guys into the action per day, rather then having the guys in there too. This would mean more girls in the house but still be able to use guys outside.

That can be a format but for sure the newbie models will sit and fuck for free, you need offer them something and I think offering them a dedicated site is not good enough.

[Zorgman]

Of course not, but a cash ($10k+) prize plus a contract might interest the right girl. If your going that way you wouldn't want someone that doesn't want a contract for her own site.

Lots of different ways to take this entire thing.

[SZNY]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Of course not, but a cash ($10k+) prize plus a contract might interest the right girl. If your going that way you wouldn't want someone that doesn't want a contract for her own site.

Lots of different ways to take this entire thing.

something like that would be a good tease to get talent

[will76]

Originally Posted by SZNY

That can be a format but for sure the newbie models will sit and fuck for free, you need offer them something and I think offering them a dedicated site is not good enough.

free room and board, CASH (if in the US, they would need to make a 1K a week and it would be very easy for them to do so), exposure. They would work for the money but they would be paid well. I have several different ways you could make money off of the girls where you would be making a ton more off of them then you were paying them and most chicks would jump at 1K a week or more, free room and board, having fun, and getting a lot of exposure for themselves.

I'm going to stop now. If anyone with the resources and desire to build a site like this wants some help, contact me.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

So just out of interest, what would this cost to setup? $200k ?
I guess once it's up you could use it for anything, pornstars, lesbians, gay guys, fetish or any other niches. Could change every 3 months so something new.

Most likely more than 200k, depends on what you want though

Also, unless you invest heavily into the promotion, the costs are gonna eat you alive, so it's either do it big or don't do it at all

edit:

Shit - sorry Will for bumping this, didn't read the whole thread..

[Zorgman]

Yeah, I didn't take into acount, building a house for them to live in for the show. So thats Land + House + power, water, pool etc. Like you said, do it big or nothing.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by will76

I'm tired of having a shelf full of great ideas and never seeing them implimented. The most frustraiting part is it seems like everyone with a cam site or who is still left with money doesn't want to listen on ways to make more money. When ever I talk to site owners, i think they ignore everything I am saying and just reply back with ... " well what would I have to do to get you to send us your traffic" This is a no brainer for a big cam site and salvation for a big picture and video membership site company.

The operational part is a big no no for them, sticking to what makes them money is what they do, very few are open to put an effort into anything new, I might point you the right direction though, I'll email you.