JuanShaw

Can someone tell me why it matters if Michelle Obama takes 30 vacation days a month? She's not a federal employee. Her Secret Service detail will be with her whether she's in Spain, or on the toilet in the White House.

She doesn't get a salary, right? Her husband does, but not her directly. What's it matter what she decides to do with her time?

TheDoc

Because people here think that our Country is falling apart, the economy doesn't work at all, in debt, so nobody deserves any vacation - for sure one on the tax payers dime. Basically, they're a bunch of jealous haters.

Of course we all know getting the woman out of your hair means you get more shit done.

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Yes he is millionaire, except he flew his family, some of his administration and security detail on Air Force One, ($11,351 per hour to operate) and rented over 30 rooms in the most luxurious hotel in Spain, (all the way up to $6,600 for suites PER NIGHT).

All on the tax payer's dime. Have previous presidents gone on lavish vacations? Sure. However, have previous presidents spent 1/5th the astronomical amount of money to "fix the economy" while telling Americans to "buckle down".?

Have previous presidents proposed cap and trades and giant tax hikes for the rich. According to Obama, it's time to let them "stop getting away with it" like previous administrations "which got us into this mess in the first place".

I think it's hilarious Obama supporters act like he's some Messiah who represents 'change', when he's an even bigger piece of shit and the biggest hypocrite this country has ever seen as president..

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marketsmart

People are just jealous because Obama is the greatest president the US has ever had.

In just one short year he has turned the whole economy around, ended the war in Iraq, is liberating and freeing the people of Afghanistan, provided affordable healthcare for everyone, and is now making sure the country has enough teachers, firemen, and police.

It sounds to me like a job well done and he should be rewarded with a well deserved vacation...

We should all give Mr. Obama a big round of applause..

Good job Mr. President... Good Job...




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TheDoc

Yes, Bush spent more money than Obama has and took more vacations as well and they cost more too.

You know, I don't think I've ever seen an Obama supporter in here or ever acting like he is the Messiah.

If nothing has changed, why do you guys keep saying everything he is doing (ie changing) isn't working? I mean clearly he is changing things or he isn't doing anything at all, which one is it?

I would rather have a hypocrite President (around vacations) than one that lies to Americans several times and then commits war crimes and murders a leader of a Country and shit tons of people. Just a slight bit difference....

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He doesn't need to save those jobs, the Reinvestment Act of 2009 distributes the $787 billion across the board for those jobs.

Michigan?s allotment alone was just over $318 million just for this thing as a fail safe measure. Some of the money comes from other school programs, with $50 million cut from an adolescent literacy program, nearly $11 million from a teacher technology plan and $82 million from a student financial aid administration plan.

And somehow Michigan still needs another 8B to cover 4,200 jobs?

TheDoc

It wasn't even across all schools/jobs... some schools got it, others didn't, some jobs got saved and others used it to keep the school afloat - and not all the money was spent/given out, lots is left over that was never spent.

They saved jobs here with the bailout, it will do the same thing for this year as well. We gota pay for those illegals kids that don't pay taxes some how. I'm not sure how your state works, but I do know that money wasn't for teachers only.

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LMAO, come on, Both of you sound like a confused sheep who don't understand the implications of Obama's so called "achievements". You can cry about Bush all day, it doesn't change a thing.


Obama, who has implemented legislation and policies effectively nationalizing financial institutions, automobile companies, health care and many other previously private interests is not "turning the economy around". It's setting us up for complete failure. Go look at what's happening to the out of control spending in California, look at where Detroit is now because of "nationalizing" the private sector.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw

Obama, is slowly – piece by piece – erecting a socialist dictatorship. He has been undermining our constitutional system of checks and balances; ignoring procedures and the rule of law; assaulting the very pillars of traditional capitalism.

Obama's responsibility should be to protect and defend the Constitution and the United States, not transform them.

He shouldn't be "rewarded" he should be impeached!

Obama is an enemy to our Constitution, our security and our personal freedoms.

I will agree on one thing, he is one of the most powerful presidents this country has ever seen. Powerful because he is supported by large majorities in Congress, but, more importantly, because he does not feel constrained by the rule of law. Whether he is disenfranchising Chrysler and GM bondholders in order to transfer billions of investor dollars to his supporters in the United Auto Workers; or implementing yet a third offshore oil-drilling moratorium even after two federal courts have thrown out two previous moratoriums, Obama is determined to see things done his way regardless of obstacles.

The rule of law is a mere inconvenience for Obama, the dedicated Marxist who lives in the White House holding power over budgets, judiciary, national defense and health care.

You see Obamacare as a success, all I see is his unconstitutional demand that all Americans buy health insurance.

Since when the fuck did the federal government have the right to coerce every citizen to purchase a good or service? I'm sorry, is that in the Constitution?

What about Obama's actions towards the BP oil spill?

Obama bullied BP into setting up a $20 billion compensation fund administered by an Obama appointee. In other words, the assets of a private company are to be raided to serve a political agenda.

As president, Obama has done NOTHING to respect the rule of law. Instead, his administration recently dropped charges of voter intimidation against members of the New Black Panther Party. Even after their menacing behavior was caught on tape with evidence for the world to see.


Fixing the economy.. Obama oversaw the effective takeover by government of banks, the largest insurance company (AIG), General Motors and Chrysler, the bulk of the U.S. auto industry, stripping bondholders, shareholders and others of their personal property.

Not to mention he's actively pursuing cap-and-trade legislation giving the government unprecedented control over the economy and American businesses.

You clowns think the "Republicans" are just bitching about a small thing like a vacation. Look at the big fucking picture. Obama is running up our debt at an alarming rate. In 9 fucking months our national debt has gone up by over a trillion dollars.

You people think Obama averted a depression by spending trillions of dollars to "create jobs". He's fucking printing money like it's going out of style. The effect will be hyperinflation that really will cause a depression.

Obama's famous quote should be "I, the president”; not “We, the People.”

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Bush, the most incompetent President in history......

Sausage

Ok I think most people with 2 brain cells to rub together can see that Obama is far from a good president, but since he is such a screwup ... wouldn't you guys WANT him on holiday as much as possible? If he is hitting golf balls all day long he can't continue to fuck the country up ...

You guys should be celebrating his lifestyle ;)

GrouchyAdmin

Gladly trade you for Pauline Hanson.

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TheDoc

You do realize we've done this before, along with other Countries and we're all perfectly fine right?

I don't see what Obama has to do with Cali and Detroit was falling apart well before Obama came in to power.

I've lived in a Socialist Country before. He hasn't done anything to undermine the constitution other than allow the Patriot act to stay. He hasn't taken away a single personal freedom from you, not a single bit of your security has been given up and the constitution is still here.



He would need to have done something actually wrong to be impeached... so far, what he has done has had huge support and was campaigned on followed by huge cheers.



Yep, that's how most presidents work or at least the last 4.


I highly doubt you know what a Marxist actually is.


Yep, I love it... Demanding Americans do something doesn't make it unconstitutional. They don't require every citizen to pay. I don't think you understand what the bill did.

What about it? He's done a fine job.... and I'm sure it serves his political agenda in some way, but if that's the case every President that has ever appointed anyone they know to do anything has a political agenda - so basically ever president in history.


Yeah, screw the constitution right? Freedom of speech is limited to only things you agree with, I understand.


The Gov already owns all the banks and always have. I don't care that the tax payers own part of those Companies. The option was no company or save some jobs and give it a chance - and it worked out perfectly. Banks go belly up (and the auto industry, and insurance companies, and others) being saved, damn sure isn't new to Obama or Bush or Clinton or Bush or Reagon.

When you correct money being spent/allocated by the previous administration, it rocks our numbers up. It's not like Obama himself actually spent the money that it increased... Use your head.


We're never close to going into a depression, but his bailouts did stop the continual decline we were having. Of course historically when enough money is injected by the Fed at times like this, it has helped - which it did again as well.

I'm sorry to tell you, we don't print much money anymore, other than to cycle out old money. That's just loop video bullshit the media plays on the tv so you have something to look at. It's not like more money is floating around in circulation - ie: Why nothing has hyper inflated and it wont.


It sounds like you need to shut Fox news off before you head explodes with whacked out bullshit ideas that haven't come to truth and never will.

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theking

Much...if not most...of your post is pigshit. Anything that the President...or the Congress does can be...and often is...challenged in the courts and ultimately it is the Supreme Court that decides what laws are constitutional or not.

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It's the direction the entire country is heading in, genius. That's what "nationalizing" the private sector along with astronomical spending with democrats in control of those states has done. Show me the difference between what has happened in those states and what Obama is trying to do to the entire country.

You lived in a Socialist country, that's your response? Did you just read the parts you wanted to? Why don't you read my entire post and come up with a proper response, then I'll address that part of your post dummy.

Has had huge support? By who? The health care bill had huge support, yeah by the majority run Democratic congress. Not by the American people. The drilling moratorium, again not by the American people. Cap and trade? Again, not by the American people.

Wow, read that part of my post again, I will not respond to idiotic statements.

You want me to read it to you from a dictionary? That's the part you decided to pull out of that part of my post. BRILLIANT! BRAVO!

Actually, it is unconstitutional. Here let me dumb it down for you. Please state, in what other area has the federal government ever regulated inactivity?

The answer is NONE.

The founders believed that a monarch (or dictator or any sort of legislative body) should not have the power to force anyone to do anything. Maybe if you understood the constitution or the health bill.

The federal government, with Obamacare, is forcing Americans to buy health insurance. It is not free. It must be bought and paid for.

Poor people will get reimbursed when they file their taxes, but they will still have to fork out the monthly premium.

Go read the health care bill, and again, until you do don't respond with your baseless malarkey.

This is your answer, let me guess, lets find an instance where Bush did the same. Better yet, lets find an instance that blames what Obama did on Bush. I'm beginning to feel you're not even worth debating with.

Until you become a little more educated on the subject I will leave you with the same abtriary response you left me with.

The housing bubble that burst and the stock market crash, is all the fault of the government and the Federal Reserve. And TARP, the "stimulus," and other bailouts will not only fail to "fix" the problem, but will in fact, make things a lot worse.

Focus on just the facts, logic and common sense. Everything you need to know to understand what's happening today is out there. You talk about "historically this happened" and "the last 4 presidents in the past have done the same" and it just makes me laugh. As if that makes what's happening today okay.

It sounds like you need to just stop watching the news period. You don't have the slightest grasp of the economy or the implications of your great Messiah's actions. Republican, Democrat, Independent, either way; you're just flat out misinformed.

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Another moron.

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You just do not know that ... you are presuming ...

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marketsmart

People like you are the problem...

You see, the president does not rule like a king or queen.. The president can not solely pass legislation. Without congress, the president is powerless... Well, not powerless, he can do things for limited periods before he has to get approval from congress, like declaring war etc.. But if he did something crazy he could be impeached..

So, here we go again blaming one person for the mistakes, greed and stupidity of many..

This is not limited to the republicans or democrats, its both...

When people wake up and start acknowledging this truth, this country will be on the path to finally do something about it..

If i could have a magic wish, it would be for the people to vote out ccongress as a whole at the same time and start over from scratch with people that believe more in helping their fellow man then lining their pockets...







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theking

Laugh all you care to. The Congress makes law...providing the President does not veto the law that Congress makes...and it is fact that when those laws are challenged in court and they often are...as the health care bill is currently being challenged...the Supreme Court ultimately decides what is constitutional law and what is not.

The Congress nor the President and certainly not you...or I...have the authority/power to decide what law is constitutional or not...only the Supreme Court has that ultimate power.

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socialist is code for the president is black. lol

TheDoc

The issues with Cali do not relate to the Country at all.... Cali could make money if they weren't forced to cell natural resources at a cheaper price than they're forced to buy them. Detroit was fucked WELL before Obama stepped in.


Only read the first line?


The majority of American people want some type of health care system in place. What they got was a lot of fear from the right that lied to the people about what they were getting or could even get.

I don't really care about the drilling moratorium, most Americans probably feel the same way.

It's funny, in the 80's they called Cap & Trade "Emissions Trading" under a Republican President. Oh sooo bad, sooo bad....

Sheep it much?


It wasn't hard to understand: He forces things to get done, he's done bailouts, taken industries over, blah blah blah... same bullshit other presidents have done, how does that confuse you?

Try reading it then and learn what Marxism actually is. Then maybe you'll understand why Obama isn't a Marxist.


You mean an activity? Like public schools or black flag days for heat? Cuss words on TV? What you can and can't watch, drink, smoke, eat, or read based on age or if they like it or not? Only like a million things we could list, driving, speeding, parking, walking, jwalking, drinking outside, standing on a curb or having pot in your private house?

The Gov forces people to do all types of shit, register for things, kids to get shots before school, really an endless list.

It also is here to make sure "everyone" has the same rights/freedoms, etc. Same goes with newborn kids and old people, sick or not, poor or not. If you think otherwise...then you have no idea what it means to be an American, at all. That's what it's really about.

Yeah, people pay for it, hell if they didn't you people would go nuts. And yeah, everyone's getting on it that doesn't have insurance, that's how it should be. If you need healthcare, you should pay for it - which problem with this do you have?

They don't force you to pay into it though, you can get any insurance you want. Very simple... again try reading it rather than pretending like you have a clue.



The issues with Cali do not relate to the Country at all, if you think so you have no idea wtf is going on in Cali. Cali could make money if they weren't forced to sell natural resources at a cheaper price than they're forced to buy them. Basic math buddy.

Detroit was fucked WELL before Obama stepped in, nothing Obama did hurt Detroit and nothing Detroit has going on relates to the rest of the Country.



Only read the first line?


The majority of American people want some type of health care system in place. What they got was a lot of fear from the right that lied to the people about what they were getting or could even get.

I don't really care about the drilling moratorium, like 0% care. Most Americans probably feel the same way.

It's funny, in the 80's they called Cap & Trade "Emissions Trading" and the republicans also liked to call it: "morally bankrupt" or "a license to kill."

Basically forcing companies to clean up Emissions, same bullshit you're getting today - under a Republican President.

You're being a sheep in many ways...


It wasn't hard to understand, he gets shit done, he's done bailouts, taken industries over, blah blah blah... I'm not sure why you don't get the response, it's rather easy to understand.



Try reading it then and learn what Marxism actually is. Then maybe you'll understand why Obama isn't a Marxist.


You mean an activity? Like public schools or black flag days for heat? Cuss words on TV? What you can and can't watch, drink, smoke, eat, or read based on age or if they like it or not? Only like a million things we could list, driving, speeding, parking, walking, jwalking, drinking outside, standing on a curb.

The Gov forces people to do all types of shit, register for things, kids to get shots before school, really an endless list.

It also is here to make sure "everyone" has the same rights/freedoms, etc. And a newborn child, born with nothing, into nothing, deserves everything equally as the next baby. Just like the old man that worked his entire life to the bone, taking care of his family, doesn't deserve to die alone with no help because he or the family has no money.

If you think otherwise...then you have no idea what it means to be an American, at all.

Bush paid a shit ton of his oil buddies for crap, jobs, war contracts, all that shit bleeds back to votes, money, political crap... are you on crack or something? Presidents have done this for ever, it's how they get to be President.

I'm not debating, I'm telling you the truth so your mind can get unclogged with trash.


Son you're the only one getting educated, by several people - in this post. The housing bubble was the fault of greed, and the stock market hasn't crashed. Stop listening to people feed you bullshit.

The Depression was ended by the start of the War Machine, which was completely funded by the Fed Gov. Without the money, we would still be fucked. At least attempt to learn some basic history... and to give you a head start, that wasn't the first or last time.



Yes, this is what I said to you.... Is this the reply to all the opinions you've posted

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Your mind set on this Country or what you think the issues is, is what's actually wrong with this Country and is the only thing wrong with this Country. Don't confuse that, it's not the issues you think - it's how you think - the ol'Red neck, Christian, easy to brain wash ass holes that get manipulated without a thought put into it that repeat spewing bullshit that other spew sucking morons ingest.

Well buddy, your kind has damaged our Country long enough... the Country is taking you out back and putting you down like a dog.

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2MuchMark

I seem to recall Bush taking alot of time off...

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I doubt he's had as much vacation time as Bush, but it's nevertheless funny to see democrats defend presidential vacation time when a few short years ago they couldn't stop lambasting Bush for HIS vacation time. And why? The less Bush was focused on getting things done, the less he could fuck up - vacation time for him was in a way a GOOD thing.

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Of course not.. and don't be so kind to Demon, he's scrubbing toilets.

JBlack

YES! I say no president should use our monies and spend it in a Lesbian Bondage Whore-house like Obama is doing right now ...I am incredibly outraged!

Time to organize a grassroots-movement against this tyranny!

directfiesta

Today :

The Obamas' holiday on the Gulf of Mexico
The US first family holidayed in Florida this weekend and swam in the Gulf of Mexico to signal that the coast has reopened for business after battling the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gall...775377&index=0

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IllTestYourGirls

Since most socialists are racist that is ironic.

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The official picture was intended to provide evidence that the region's beaches are back to normal. Yet it soon emerged that the private beach on which it was taken, off Alligator Point in St Andrew Bay, north-west Florida, isn't technically in the gulf.

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The guy would be swimming where the platform was, it still would not be good enough for you fanatics ...

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Rochard

You mean President Bush spent $16 million in upgrades to his ranch in Texas for the "secret service to use", right?

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i doubt obama is using tax payer money....im sure he got enough money from the people who got him elected

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Now Media Matters is investigating Fox News. They must be desperate.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51949.html

This is one of the guys they hired:

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I am no Bush apologist, but many of his vacation days were spent in crawford where he actually "worked". So I think the comparisons may not be a true indication. Now, bush's "work" could be debated if it actually was work. I think even the most dedicated bush detractor may be shocked at how little he actually put into his workdays.

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You people bitch about everything.

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stop watching american news channels, they are really bad for you.