transitioned my dog to a primal diet, thx elli and xxweekxx

[dyna mo]

he's loving it!

[syck]

Nice We've had our 3 dachshunds on it for about a year. One was always super lazy though after starting him on this he's been alot more active and playful. They all hang out in the backyard alot more now and chase shit around together, it's been a good thing for sure.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by syck

Nice We've had our 3 dachshunds on it for about a year. One was always super lazy though after starting him on this he's been alot more active and playful. They all hang out in the backyard alot more now and chase shit around together, it's been a good thing for sure.

yeah, i've noticed a distinct increase in his energy level. the only thing that concerns me is he inhales his food now, like 1.5 seconds & gone. no joke. i even smoosh it up in his bowl thinking it will take him longer but that doesn't make a difference.

do you think that's an issue?

[INDY500DRIVER]

ignorant on this one.. what is the primal diet?? sounds like its only chicken and steak or something?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by INDY500DRIVER

ignorant on this one.. what is the primal diet?? sounds like its only chicken and steak or something?

basically, it's raw foods only. i went the easy way and am feeding my guy www.primalpetfoods.com

[baddog]

I should return Buddy to his roots?

[VikingMan]

Originally Posted by INDY500DRIVER

ignorant on this one.. what is the primal diet?? sounds like its only chicken and steak or something?

lots of raw meat that is grass fed

Here ya go.....This guy is the Jesus of the raw food world.
http://www.wewant2live.com/

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by baddog

I should return Buddy to his roots?

i hear squirrel fur is good fiber.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by *******

lots of raw meat that is grass fed

Here ya go.....This guy is the Jesus of the raw food world.
http://www.wewant2live.com/

isn't that the human primal diet?

[dyna mo]

a quick read on primal diet for pets

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-p...diet-for-dogs/

[syck]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

yeah, i've noticed a distinct increase in his energy level. the only thing that concerns me is he inhales his food now, like 1.5 seconds & gone. no joke. i even smoosh it up in his bowl thinking it will take him longer but that doesn't make a difference.

do you think that's an issue?

I don't think it will be an issue, sounds like he likes it! What's the consistency of the frozen stuff you feed your dog? Are you not planning on going to store bought meats?

And nice on that squirrel, I found a few half eaten squirrels and opossums this summer.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by syck

I don't think it will be an issue, sounds like he likes it! What's the consistency of the frozen stuff you feed your dog? Are you not planning on going to store bought meats?

And nice on that squirrel, I found a few half eaten squirrels and opossums this summer.

yes, i will be going to homemade mixture from store bought necks and vegetables, i wanted to get going asap on it, to see how he liked it, so i went with the primal, it's all ground.

but i'm not sure how easy the turkey necks are to cut, is that easy?

[syck]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

yes, i will be going to homemade mixture from store bought necks and vegetables, i wanted to get going asap on it, to see how he liked it, so i went with the primal, it's all ground.

but i'm not sure how easy the turkey necks are to cut, is that easy?

To be honest, the only thing I cut are chicken legs to seperate the thigh and leg since either is big enough for one dog. Other than that they get it whole and go their seperate ways in the backyard with it. Them having to shred the meat off the bone has cleaned up their teeth substantially too.

Veggies I only do a couple times a week and I toss them some while cooking dinner (they think they're getting food we're fixing to eat). I made some sweet potato fries the other night and was tossing them raw potato, they loved it.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by syck

And nice on that squirrel, I found a few half eaten squirrels and opossums this summer.

Buddy was born in a barn in the middle of Nowhere, Indiana. It was survival of the fittest straight from the gate for him. He had killed and eaten his first bunny before I even had a chance to get him home to SoCal.

Now, he just seems to kill rodents but prefers the food I give him for actual consumption.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by syck

To be honest, the only thing I cut are chicken legs to seperate the thigh and leg since either is big enough for one dog. Other than that they get it whole and go their seperate ways in the backyard with it. Them having to shred the meat off the bone has cleaned up their teeth substantially too.

Veggies I only do a couple times a week and I toss them some while cooking dinner (they think they're getting food we're fixing to eat). I made some sweet potato fries the other night and was tossing them raw potato, they loved it.

appreciate the info!

Originally Posted by baddog

Buddy was born in a barn in the middle of Nowhere, Indiana. It was survival of the fittest straight from the gate for him. He had killed and eaten his first bunny before I even had a chance to get him home to SoCal.

Now, he just seems to kill rodents but prefers the food I give him for actual consumption.

what the heck is that?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what the heck is that?

Possum, youngster. We ran into an older one a couple nights earlier.





Why I have so many varmints around here, I do not know.

[syck]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

appreciate the info!

No Problem. We feed them chicken, turkey, red meat, pork (freeze for 24 hours first), beef heart, gizzards, liver etc. They eat better than us most nights! They also tend to drink less water now too.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by syck

They eat better than us most nights!

it's funny you mention that, for the longest time, i assumed my guy was eating better than me (up till i chose to eat healthy), but when i read the dog food label of what i was previously feeding him i realized how wrong i was.

[xxweekxx]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

he's loving it!

glad to hear.. yeah my guy just swallows the damn thing.. buy some meaty bones and add in to the meal here and there so he gets to exercise his gum and it slows him down a bit :-)

http://www.primalpetfoods.com/product/list/c/10

tons of stores carry them

[baddog]

I have to ask, why would you feed veggies to a dog? Just because they will eat it does not mean they should.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by baddog

I have to ask, why would you feed veggies to a dog? Just because they will eat it does not mean they should.

is that a bad idea? i read on a few canine primal diet links to do so.

i've been giving my guy baby carrots and apple chunks for a while now, he loves em

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by baddog

I should return Buddy to his roots?

down here that's an appetizer some humans will grub on...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

down here that's an appetizer some humans will grub on...

you're going to have to clarify, which of these is the cajun appetizer?

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by syck

To be honest, the only thing I cut are chicken legs to seperate the thigh and leg since either is big enough for one dog. Other than that they get it whole and go their seperate ways in the backyard with it. Them having to shred the meat off the bone has cleaned up their teeth substantially too.

Veggies I only do a couple times a week and I toss them some while cooking dinner (they think they're getting food we're fixing to eat). I made some sweet potato fries the other night and was tossing them raw potato, they loved it.

raw chicken? I swear, my dog is such a retard he's always injuring himself and I'd be terrified of what would happen if I gave him a raw chicken leg. And if he got any more energy I think I would lose my mind. He's ten years old too.

ps. regular potatoes are supposed to be poisonous to dogs I read, but I don't believe sweet potatoes are the same.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

raw chicken? I swear, my dog is such a retard he's always injuring himself and I'd be terrified of what would happen if I gave him a raw chicken leg. And if he got any more energy I think I would lose my mind. He's ten years old too.

ps. regular potatoes are supposed to be poisonous to dogs I read, but I don't believe sweet potatoes are the same.

apparently, dogs have no issue with raw chicken bones, it's the cooked ones that crack and cause choking. i haven't fed any to my guy yet though, i'm pretty nervous about it too.

[xxweekxx]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

is that a bad idea? i read on a few canine primal diet links to do so.

i've been giving my guy baby carrots and apple chunks for a while now, he loves em

ya i dont feed my dog veggies/fruits.. no point.. meat/organs is all they need

i do give my guy an occasional raw egg yolk with his meat.. he loves it..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xxweekxx

ya i dont feed my dog veggies/fruits.. no point.. meat/organs is all they need

i do give my guy an occasional raw egg yolk with his meat.. he loves it..

interesting, this is the ratio i've read about, not saying i'm right.....

a. All dogs should be fed, by volume of the total amount fed each meal, 25-50% meat

b. The meat can include:

i. Beef

ii. Chicken

iii. Turkey

iv. Fish

the remainder:
b. Vegetables should be routinely added. We recommend:

i. Carrots

ii. Broccoli

iii. Peas

iv. Leafy greens

c. Sweet potatoes, pumpkin, yams, and squashes are all excellent additions to the diet. Sweet potato is especially good, inexpensive, easy to prepare, and readily accepted. Sweet potato should be cooked, and can then be used a portion at a time over a few days. They can be mashed and mixed so well into the diet that all animals will accept them. Carrots often need to be cooked lightly or shredded/chopped finely, or they may not be accepted or completely digested.

d. Dairy products can be included sparingly. Our favorites are:

i. Yogurt

ii. Cottage Cheese

e. Eggs are great to feed, and can be fed cooked or raw. We recommend no more than a couple of eggs a week, if fed raw. Cooked eggs can be fed a little more frequently.

f. Leftovers can be fed as well, as long as they are good food and not excessively fatty or sweet.

g. The variety component should be just that: fed for variety, one thing one day, and another thing another day. Don't get caught up in a routine where you are feeding the same things all the time. Variety is just as necessary for your dog as it is for yourself.

h. A couple final thoughts:

[xxweekxx]

im going by what they eat in the wild.. its been proven over and over that they dont eat the contents of their prey..

dogs are meant to digest animal protein/organs very well... yogurt has sugar, dairy sugar...

they dont have enzymes to break down fibrous carbs from vegetables that well.. i'll just stick to raw meat/organs/eggs..

my gf has cats that r both 5 yrs old.. all been fed natures variety raw meat from day 1.. never been sick.. no vet bills.. no health condition.. perfect fur.. energy.... just like my little 5 month old monster

[Elli]

Great to hear, Dyna Mo!

For raw chicken bone worries: the bigger the piece, the better. Try giving your pooch an entire fryer chicken to gnaw on. Watch closely how he handles it. It should stop him from gulping too fast. If he really is a gulper, you can still give him bones, just invest in a good cleaver to chop them into 1" long sections of leg or wing. They'll digest fine, you just want to avoid something getting caught in the throat.

organ meat: should make up about 10% of the weekly diet by weight. You can get this super cheap. Remember heart is a muscle, not an organ! Organ is kidney, liver, that kind of thing. Too much organ in one meal CAN give poochy the runs, as it's very rich.

Supplements: I give 1 1000mg capsule a day of salmon oil for omega 3's. Because of this, she gets 2 small vitamin e capsules a day (one at each meal). THe vitamin e helps digest the omega 3s and boosts the immune system. Your dog will be SUPER shiny

Veggies: the jury is still out. Some people insist, some people say they're not needed. I throw in some leftover veg when there's some in the fridge, but I don't stress it. Carrots and bananas are great as training treats!

greek-style yogurt: 1 spoon at every breakfast is my rule of thumb.

eggs: 1 raw egg once a week or so. If she's outside, she gets it in the shell. If she needs the calcium (due to not enough bone in the diet) then she'll eat the shell, too.

NO: ONIONS, GRAPES, RAISINS.

be careful when feeding raw fish: tuna and whitefish are fine. Salmon carry parasites and the fish MUST be frozen before feeding raw to the dog.

Freezer burnt meat? No longer a waste! You have your own garbage disposal looking at you longingly right now.

[xxweekxx]

But then again man the veggies/fruits cant be that bad.. not as bad as dry food which is byproducts + too much carbs/sugar..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xxweekxx

im going by what they eat in the wild.. its been proven over and over that they dont eat the contents of their prey..

dogs are meant to digest animal protein/organs very well... yogurt has sugar, dairy sugar...

they dont have enzymes to break down fibrous carbs from vegetables that well.. i'll just stick to raw meat/organs/eggs..

my gf has cats that r both 5 yrs old.. all been fed natures variety raw meat from day 1.. never been sick.. no vet bills.. no health condition.. perfect fur.. energy.... just like my little 5 month old monster

Originally Posted by Elli

Great to hear, Dyna Mo!

For raw chicken bone worries: the bigger the piece, the better. Try giving your pooch an entire fryer chicken to gnaw on. Watch closely how he handles it. It should stop him from gulping too fast. If he really is a gulper, you can still give him bones, just invest in a good cleaver to chop them into 1" long sections of leg or wing. They'll digest fine, you just want to avoid something getting caught in the throat.

Veggies: the jury is still out. Some people insist, some people say they're not needed. I throw in some leftover veg when there's some in the fridge, but I don't stress it. Carrots and bananas are great as training treats!

greek-style yogurt: 1 spoon at every breakfast is my rule of thumb.

eggs: 1 raw egg once a week or so. If she's outside, she gets it in the shell. If she needs the calcium (due to not enough bone in the diet) then she'll eat the shell, too.

NO: ONIONS, GRAPES, RAISINS.

be careful when feeding raw fish: tuna and whitefish are fine. Salmon carry parasites and the fish MUST be frozen before feeding raw to the dog.

Freezer burnt meat? No longer a waste! You have your own garbage disposal looking at you longingly right now.

Originally Posted by xxweekxx

But then again man the veggies/fruits cant be that bad.. not as bad as dry food which is byproducts + too much carbs/sugar..

xcllnt, thank y'all again!

question- so feed my guy the egg & the shell too?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Excellent thread!

Too many pets die from cancer or kidney failure each year as a result of poor diets...

ADG

[O MARINA]

dude what
even your dog is on a diet now

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by O MARINA

dude what
even your dog is on a diet now

ADG

[xxweekxx]

ya throw in the shell.. doesnt hurt at all.. plus has calcium..my rascall loves egg days

[ladida]

I approve.

And then we have the other side with "dog pastry" people rofl. Some people will never get the best "pastry" you can give to your dog is some fucking meat.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by O MARINA

dude what
even your dog is on a diet now

mornin grumpy!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xxweekxx

ya throw in the shell.. doesnt hurt at all.. plus has calcium..my rascall loves egg days

will do

[O MARINA]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

mornin grumpy!

morning

[O MARINA]

My dog is on a new LA diet, fresh air and bubble gum

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by O MARINA

My dog is on a new LA diet, fresh air and bubble gum

you're good.

[SallyRand]

I give my dogs uncooked eggs in the shell a few times a week. They play with the eggs until the shells break and then they lapup the egg and chew the shells unless they just swallow them whole! I make a monthly run to a local slaughter house where I pick up a about a hundred pounds of beef, deer and bison bones along with fifty or so pounds of fat stripped from the carcasses. I freeze it and give them each a bone a day along with a few pieces of the fat. I back this up with high quality dry dog food and occasional treats. Two of the dogs like raw potatoes but the others turn up their noses at anything that even looks like a veggie. If I pick up a hundred lbs of bones, there is about 30 lbs of meat still on them so the dogs love it!

I am also on the list at the Sheriif's Office to be notified of deer which have been hit by cars on the roads. If the dead deer are not too torn up, we sometimes go get one and then dress it out into deer steaks and big chunks of meat for the dogs. This area is overrun with Whitetail deer, so a lot of them get hit.

[xxweekxx]

good shit.. happy to hear a lot of people here actually feed their dogs RAW MEAT... your dog will thank you for it if he could..

dont listen to anyone who tells you raw meat will kill your dog.. thats what my vet said.. i was like lol go fuck urself

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by xxweekxx

good shit.. happy to hear a lot of people here actually feed their dogs RAW MEAT... your dog will thank you for it if he could..

dont listen to anyone who tells you raw meat will kill your dog.. thats what my vet said.. i was like lol go fuck urself

I forgot the chicken. The local grocery store often puts chicken quarters on sale for less per pound than dog food. You should see the tricks the dogs will do for a nice juicy chicken quarter, all raw. bloody and ready to eat! They go APESHIT! Never give your dogs any kind of cooked bones though, as cooking the bones brittleizes them and bones like that could puncture the stomach or intestine.

I get the chicken from the meat market in the store done up in 5 lb bags for freezing.

[Zuzana Designs]

Originally Posted by baddog

I should return Buddy to his roots?

lolz..........

[Elli]

You know what else is nummy for a dog to gnaw on? pork hocks. One for your baked beans or pea soup, one for the dog!

[syck]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

hundred pounds of beef, deer and bison bones along with fifty or so pounds of fat stripped from the carcasses.

That sentence reminded me of a story a buddy sent me when I first told him I was feeding the dogs raw food, I thought it was funny even though I'm sure it's all just bs.

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/report...nelk.html#dogs

[tony286]

Youre not feeding him Take Charge? Lol I had some today with yogurt too yummy and my dog was looking at me with are you going to share eyes.

[Peaches]

Ah, the BARF diet. I've been reading about it since the mid 90's - still haven't done it. I'm lazy ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_feeding

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by tony286

Youre not feeding him Take Charge? Lol I had some today with yogurt too yummy and my dog was looking at me with are you going to share eyes.

that's great to hear Tony! what's the latest on the weight loss, time for another nick update?