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Tasty1 06-22-2020 11:26 PM

If i fart, the smell just goes trough my jeans.
And you smell it in the whole room if it is a good one.
If you smell it with that mouthmask on, it doesn't work.


_Richard_ 06-23-2020 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22689333)
for how long per day ? :winkwink::winkwink:
do they also cycle and jog while wearing masks, like some governments would like them to do?

they work 12+ hour days in a hospital

i am not sure cycling or jogging compares

Matyko 06-23-2020 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22688967)
ahhh jeeez, please don't tell me you also crossed over to the conspiracy lunatics - you used to be such a nice guy

No, not really, I don't believe the conspiracy theories attached to this, but actually, I don't believe that there's anything surprisingly dangerous out there. I am a 40ish healthy guy and I dislike I am being controlled / frightened by this shit. In my eyes this is a media hype and politicians jumped on the train too.

Look at this:
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/f...ic/3094481001/

All the math, expectations, and so in 2020 regarding this covid-thing is 100% bullshit: theories, expectations, pro and contra 1000000 versions. Ridiculous!! Only time will tell. The article I posted is valid because it collects/shows favts from a similar shit in 1968.
Covid data and assumptions will be valid at least a few years later. :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

I admit that I am very unhappy with the festival season getting canceled.. This is why I am angry and upset and think everyone can eat my cock raw :( In my 'state' 513k ppl are living currently. There were 24 cases since day 0 of covid here. 24 registered infections. In my 100k city I know no one who got it. Gov media said that the huge number of infections / escalation is Right Here, Can Happen Any Moment!!! - every fucking day Hard to believe in this. I am a super-skeptic dude who gives media and politicians less and less credit Every Single Day!

REMEMBER 'NATURAL BORN KILLERS' !!!!!!!!! :2 cents: :pimp

PS: I know this meme is not properly valid. Step through the details and try to understand it's message in general.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 22689416)
If i fart, the smell just goes trough my jeans.
And you smell it in the whole room if it is a good one.
If you smell it with that mouthmask on, it doesn't work.


Nice approach, I like it. :1orglaugh :pimp

just a punk 06-23-2020 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 22689416)
If you smell it with that mouthmask on, it doesn't work.

How dumb was the person who did this statement. Smell is a gas. The airborne infection is a steam (water in the air). Isn't it stupid to compare the size of water drops and molecules of gas? You will always feel the smell of hydrogen sulfide because you can birth (hint: molecules of oxygen also able to go through your mask).

When you wear a mask, your eves are the most vulnerable part of your body.

Tasty1 06-23-2020 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 22689426)
How dumb was the person who did this statement. Smell is a gas. The airborne infection is a steam (water in the air). Isn't it stupid to compare the size of water drops and molecules of gas? You will always feel the smell of hydrogen sulfide because you can birth (hint: molecules of oxygen also able to go through your mask).

When you wear a mask, your eves are the most vulnerable part of your body.

It are aerosols that spread the virus, not (only) water drops, that are able to spread 20 meter. but people keep saying we must keep 1,5 meter distance to be safe.. While there are couples where one is infected while the other sleeps next to the covid partner.

There is still a lot to investigate, bt for sure this isn't the pandemic scientist predicted. There are 6000 people dead in Holland, the last flu costed 11.000 death. So next flu season everybody stays inside, wear a mask and shut down the economy?

MaDalton 06-23-2020 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 22689333)
for how long per day ? :winkwink::winkwink:
do they also cycle and jog while wearing masks, like some governments would like them to do?

seriously? do you know how long operations can take sometimes? and that they are actual physical work?

and who forces you to wear a mask 12 hours a day?

i think the main side effect from Covid is that it exposes peoples stupidity

MaDalton 06-23-2020 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 22689425)
No, not really, I don't believe the conspiracy theories attached to this, but actually, I don't believe that there's anything surprisingly dangerous out there. I am a 40ish healthy guy and I dislike I am being controlled / frightened by this shit. In my eyes this is a media hype and politicians jumped on the train too.

Look at this:
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/f...ic/3094481001/

All the math, expectations, and so in 2020 regarding this covid-thing is 100% bullshit: theories, expectations, pro and contra 1000000 versions. Ridiculous!! Only time will tell. The article I posted is valid because it collects/shows favts from a similar shit in 1968.
Covid data and assumptions will be valid at least a few years later. :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

I admit that I am very unhappy with the festival season getting canceled.. This is why I am angry and upset and think everyone can eat my cock raw :( In my 'state' 513k ppl are living currently. There were 24 cases since day 0 of covid here. 24 registered infections. In my 100k city I know no one who got it. Gov media said that the huge number of infections / escalation is Right Here, Can Happen Any Moment!!! - every fucking day Hard to believe in this. I am a super-skeptic dude who gives media and politicians less and less credit Every Single Day!

REMEMBER 'NATURAL BORN KILLERS' !!!!!!!!! :2 cents: :pimp

PS: I know this meme is not properly valid. Step through the details and try to understand it's message in general.



Nice approach, I like it. :1orglaugh :pimp


so at the end it's about you not being able to go to festivals?

your or your wifes parents still alive?

you do realize that even if you feel young and healthy you can still infect and subsequently kill them?


what baffles me the most is that in countries with a low infection rate people don't credit that to the fact that lockdowns, mask wearing and social distancing were introduced - but rather turn into conspiracy lunatics and claim the virus doesn't exist.


you only need to look at countries who called it a hoax and look at their numbers now

Besides the US currently Brazil is the best example for that

NatalieK 06-23-2020 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22687505)
Here is the simple math and what are you missing logic !

Double layered cloth mask is about 60 % effective while exhaling and about 40% effective while inhaling.

Now look at a viral load of a factor 100 in a person next to you who has a mask:

His viral load while exhaling in your direction is reduced to 40.

Now if you are wearing a mask you may inhale only 40% of the load from a factor 40 which is factor 16 of the initial load.

So simple stated, if both are wearing a mask, the risk of transmission is reduced 5x or more.

this...

we always go out wearing our masks, the sun´s hot and we´re enjoying a beer down the local bars, paella, swimming in the sea, but the mask is always present, as is hand sanitizer in every store, bar, restaurant, toilet or street corner :thumbsup

CaptainHowdy 06-23-2020 07:24 AM


juicydiva 06-23-2020 07:30 AM

I always dreamed to walk around my neighborhood without letting anyone know it is me. Now this situation and with a bullet proof mask made it real. Yeppeee

ruff 06-23-2020 08:02 AM

Don't read the news about the virus today. It's not going to reinforce any arguments for not wearing a mask. Record infections everywhere now. Welcome to Darwin's world. Some will make it, and some won't. Mostly the stupid ones won't make it. It's kind of hard to gin up any concern for the flat-earthers. Of course, it's possible you won't get the virus with your head stuck up your ass.

Matyko 06-23-2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22689520)
so at the end it's about you not being able to go to festivals?

your or your wifes parents still alive?

you do realize that even if you feel young and healthy you can still infect and subsequently kill them?


what baffles me the most is that in countries with a low infection rate people don't credit that to the fact that lockdowns, mask wearing and social distancing were introduced - but rather turn into conspiracy lunatics and claim the virus doesn't exist.


you only need to look at countries who called it a hoax and look at their numbers now

Besides the US currently Brazil is the best example for that

Yes, this might seem stupid, but right now I am quite upset because of this certain festival being canceled. I can't stand any in-door events, there is only One Event I am Interested in For Years. This is not a regular festival, but I won't rob anyone's time to talk about this. I simply need this time to be here with these tribal people and dance for a week.

My parents live in the capital city and they are using masks [which I do too, as it is still mandatory in shops - and me, as a skeptic asshole I use the masks properly while most ppl put the mask below their noses, so it is totally useless]. My wife's father, who lives next to us did not take this too seriously..

The lockdown should be applied to ppl who are endangered, not all ppl.
This is just my opinion, and I do realize that there are 1000 versions of reality, so I am not saying I am the smartest in this topic.

I see your point in your last paragraph. I am not saying that the virus does not exist. I am saying that it is overhyped. By the forces of media and politicians combined.

Have you checked that usatoday article I linked above about the Woodstock festival with 400k ppl and H3N2 in 1968????

I'd be OK with wearing mask and/or anything for years in the shops, etc, but I see no point in killing the (summer) gatherings. Look, a few days ago our gov let soccer matches happen with crowd/unlimited number of supporters there in the stadiums. I was watching the first 15 minutes on TV just to shock myself: the entire thing was 1:1 in a soccer game happening 6-9-12 months ago. No sign, I repeat NO SIGN of any virus, masks, anything. Everything, all the handshakes and shit was the same as in "normal times". Now fuck this! Fuck this bullshit that this can happen, but I can't gather with 25k hippies in a huge open-air land... This is fucking insane+annoying! :(((

...sigh...

Despite the hard feelings this topic does to me, I'd like to state that I am a huge fan of yours and Do Respect your opinion [on all possible topics actually] and give your words significant weight. :2 cents: So please don't get offended and try to understand me. :pimp

Tasty1 06-23-2020 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22689520)
so at the end it's about you not being able to go to festivals?

your or your wifes parents still alive?

you do realize that even if you feel young and healthy you can still infect and subsequently kill them?


what baffles me the most is that in countries with a low infection rate people don't credit that to the fact that lockdowns, mask wearing and social distancing were introduced - but rather turn into conspiracy lunatics and claim the virus doesn't exist.


you only need to look at countries who called it a hoax and look at their numbers now

Besides the US currently Brazil is the best example for that

You are talking a lot of bullshit, trying to give people a feeling of quilt. My parents are alive and in the risk group. They stay home and stay away from large groups and have mouthmask when needed. My sister sometimes visit outside in the garden with 3 meter distance (my father probably dies when he gets corona, he got big health issues after a hepatitis vaccination... so he will never take a corona vaccin) So he takes care for himself, no need for a lockdown. His brain is working fine. And for sure he will never get to an elderly home, where most elderly that should have been protected with a lockdown, died. The appointments my father had with doctors where cancelled 3 months cause everything was aimed at corona, luckily he didn't have big problems in those 3 months. No need to put everybody in lockdown to protect the elderly and sick. As we can see now the corona comes, and goes.

Never is proven that 1,5 meter works. What is proven is that elderly and nursing homes wheren't save, locking up the elderly didn't work out well in most cases.

Brazil was and is in lockdowns. Mayors can do that themselves and did, without Bolsonaro. I have a friend and now corona is coming to his city in Brazil. But the lockdown stopped cause people didn't have any money left to stick it out another 2 months. They have the choice, starve from hunger in lockdown, or make money. He rents out houses and many people couldn't pay the rent. Same with a friend that is a taxi driver, no work, no money. That is a reason why things opened up. I will go to Brazil and my biggest worries are the crime stats that might rise like never before. A friend of mine was lucky the lockdown stopped cause she needed cancer treatment, which was also delayed 2 months due to lockdowns. Many people will end up in poverty again in Brazil cause the economy is down and probably sill be down for years to come. Many people also working from home. But yes, Bolsoaro could have given some more tips how people could be safe. But most agree, the lockdown of the economy will cost more lives than corona.

In Holland 2 newspapers now admitted that the government instructed them not to be to critical on the government scientist. Fear had to be spread so people listened to the government. That is why they published the death rate in chocolate letters on the front page and didn't allow other scientist a stage in the newspapers or talkshows. That also opened some peoples eyes how corrupt the media has become. The last years the media has just become like in the USA, an outlet for political parties when it comes to the EU, Trump, Global Warming. That is no conspiracy, that is what happening.

Still more deaths of the flu (11.000) than of corona (6000) in Holland (higher numbers than Brazil per million). While the last flu there was also shortage on intensive care they didn't solve. Some years ago there where 2500 intensive care units, but to save money they brought it back to 1000. An empty bed only costs money (till you suddenly need them).

India, where i am now, also opened up while Corona stats are rising. Also for the simple reason, people start dying from hunger. Better to save and protect the elderly than put the whole country in Lockdown. For me the economy can go in lockdown for years and i still able to eat. But a little selfish to do that, isn't it?

But someday you might wake up also.

CurrentlySober 06-23-2020 11:03 AM

https://i.imgur.com/4CNp7yJ.png

CurrentlySober 06-23-2020 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 22689416)
If i fart, the smell just goes trough my jeans.
And you smell it in the whole room if it is a good one.

fap fap fap... keep going... I'm almost on the vinegar stroke... :thumbsup

SekobA 06-23-2020 12:41 PM

Most of the pool wear the same mask for a week or so

klinton 06-23-2020 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22689515)
i think the main side effect from Covid is that it exposes peoples stupidity

indeed, this should be called "epidemic" of morona.

klinton 06-23-2020 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22689520)
Besides the US currently Brazil is the best example for that

oh yes, 50 K deaths in Brazil.
population of Brazil 200 mln people.
1 of every 4000 dead.
Probably, most of them are like 80 years old semi death already.
any virus/ infection can kill them if they are not careful.

seriously, this is a real Black Death :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

lets shut down the world because of this and ruin the lives of remaining 99.9 %

ruff 06-23-2020 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 22689703)
fap fap fap... keep going... I'm almost on the vinegar stroke... :thumbsup

I have been fapping for many, many years, even when I didn't need to, but I have never heard of the vinegar stroke. You're going to have to explain that to me. I don't want to think I've been doing it wrong, or even worse, missed something important.

klinton 06-23-2020 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 22689664)
The appointments my father had with doctors where cancelled 3 months cause everything was aimed at corona, luckily he didn't have big problems in those 3 months.(...)

I have a friend and now corona is coming to his city in Brazil. But the lockdown stopped cause people didn't have any money left to stick it out another 2 months. They have the choice, starve from hunger in lockdown, or make money. He rents out houses and many people couldn't pay the rent. Same with a friend that is a taxi driver, no work, no money. That is a reason why things opened up. I will go to Brazil and my biggest worries are the crime stats that might rise like never before. A friend of mine was lucky the lockdown stopped cause she needed cancer treatment, which was also delayed 2 months due to lockdowns. Many people will end up in poverty again in Brazil cause the economy is down and probably sill be down for years to come.(..) But most agree, the lockdown of the economy will cost more lives than corona(...)

don't bother, people that can't count and have zero idea generally, will always be sheep.
which makes me wonder, wtf happened to the people???
is it a generation of brainless pussyficated sheep?
wtf!
i thought that some people have more common sense and can think for themselves...

The Porn Nerd 06-23-2020 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ruff (Post 22689944)
I have been fapping for many, many years, even when I didn't need to, but I have never heard of the vinegar stroke. You're going to have to explain that to me. I don't want to think I've been doing it wrong, or even worse, missed something important.

Vinegar and fapping? Sounds like a painful mix. :(

OneHungLo 06-24-2020 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 22688920)

Be careful posting this stuff. Anything that goes against leftist thinking puts a target on your back. And they will try to destroy you.

CaptainHowdy 06-24-2020 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruff (Post 22689944)
I have been fapping for many, many years, even when I didn't need to, but I have never heard of the vinegar stroke. You're going to have to explain that to me. I don't want to think I've been doing it wrong, or even worse, missed something important.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/2aa1...temid=10007463

mopek1 06-24-2020 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by movieguy (Post 22688863)
Have you looked at hospitalization rates? That's the one that scares me more. Death rates don't give you a sense of how bad you can feel. I have two acquaintances who said they felt like dying during their infection and were close to going to the hospital. Young, healthy guys.

Here in Canada, my age group has a 0.9% death rate due to COVID, but a 15% rate of hospitalization. Among my culture, we don't look at the numbers to say, "you only have a 0.9% chance of dying", but we say, "you have a 15% chance of being close to death".

I don't want a 15% chance of being on a ventilator, or like my friend who survived, but said he felt like he was drowning with every breath for 2 weeks.

I'm in Canada too. I look at the numbers every week.

You are wrong.

Most deaths have occurred in nursing homes. Most people tested were those with bad symptoms. The rest who were mild, moderate (and even bad in many cases) were not tested so the true rate of hospitalization, or anything for that matter can't be calculated and is much better than reported.

mopek1 06-24-2020 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22688997)

So what to do? Look at all the other ways you could get sick and die and treat Covid-19 as the same? That would be a huge mistake (one many people are currently making). This virus spreads faster than other diseases, there is no cure or vaccine, we do not know the long-term affects of the disease, there is a second wave coming....

Just wear a fucking mask for a few months people PLEASE. It will not be forever.

Even with Covid itself, there are likely 1000 things we can be doing to lower the risk but we aren't.

People think that by wearing masks they are doing their part. But these same people are NOT always choosing delivery when they need to buy something so they could stay home. They are going out to get things as we open up. If they really wanted to "do every little thing they could," they would stay home but they don't. Instead they wear a mask, feel morally superior to others and look down upon those who don't. People could also not visit their family, but they do. People could wipe down every surface they touch out in public, but they don't. People could donate their masks to hospitals who need it - especially in the beginning - but they don't. People could ... well, you get it. People are selective about what measures they take. The mask has become the far left's symbol of moral righteousness. Maybe it does help slow the spread a tad, I don't believe it does much at this point but there is FAR too much misinformation and CONTROL from the governments and the media that this has become such a farce and I will not participate anymore.

mopek1 06-24-2020 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 22689425)
No, not really, I don't believe the conspiracy theories attached to this, but actually, I don't believe that there's anything surprisingly dangerous out there.

All the math, expectations, and so in 2020 regarding this covid-thing is 100% bullshit: theories, expectations, pro and contra 1000000 versions.

I am a super-skeptic dude who gives media and politicians less and less credit Every Single Day!

This.

All projections have been wrong.

Most of the media has been misleading and leaving out key pieces of information, both on the left and right.

Most governments are scared to open and yet scared not to. They are in a no win situation and just did what everyone else did (lockdown) so they wouldn't look bad.

Most of what people said would happen and most of what people are saying is just downright incorrect.

GAMEFINEST 06-25-2020 02:00 PM

Texas is getting influx of covid 19

CurrentlySober 06-25-2020 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ruff (Post 22689944)
I have been fapping for many, many years, even when I didn't need to, but I have never heard of the vinegar stroke. You're going to have to explain that to me. I don't want to think I've been doing it wrong, or even worse, missed something important.

Common phrase in the UK...

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...negar%20Stroke

just a punk 06-25-2020 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 22691046)

I'd call it shit happens ;)

The Porn Nerd 06-25-2020 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 22690104)
Even with Covid itself, there are likely 1000 things we can be doing to lower the risk but we aren't.

People think that by wearing masks they are doing their part. But these same people are NOT always choosing delivery when they need to buy something so they could stay home. They are going out to get things as we open up. If they really wanted to "do every little thing they could," they would stay home but they don't. Instead they wear a mask, feel morally superior to others and look down upon those who don't. People could also not visit their family, but they do. People could wipe down every surface they touch out in public, but they don't. People could donate their masks to hospitals who need it - especially in the beginning - but they don't. People could ... well, you get it. People are selective about what measures they take. The mask has become the far left's symbol of moral righteousness. Maybe it does help slow the spread a tad, I don't believe it does much at this point but there is FAR too much misinformation and CONTROL from the governments and the media that this has become such a farce and I will not participate anymore.

Well the new daily highs in coronavirus cases US States are now experiencing is proof positive that many Americans are fucking idiots. Yes you ALSO have to social distance, wash your hands, clean surfaces, etc. But most Americans are spoiled, whiny, privileged children.

Masks don't work? Then why do doctors and nurses wear them in hospitals? Why are front line workers - the ones who come into contact with Covid-19 on a daily basis - getting coronavirus far less than average people? BECAUSE PPE WORKS. Anyone who doesn't believe this has allowed themselves to fall for the propaganda and gaslighting and has voluntarily thrown away their common sense. To those people I say: stay the fuck away from me and my family please!

ruff 06-25-2020 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 22690051)
Be careful posting this stuff. Anything that goes against leftist thinking puts a target on your back. And they will try to destroy you.

On top of this, we will be coming for your women.

GAMEFINEST 06-25-2020 10:15 PM

All the red states are infected,

Arizona locking down

eric_wahlberg 06-25-2020 11:57 PM

Best Mask.
 
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Originally Posted by Relic (Post 22687180)

This is the best mask.

I am sure if Disney start producing Batman, this guy mask, it will be a big hit.
At least, people will be happy for a moment.

mopek1 06-26-2020 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22691219)
Well the new daily highs in coronavirus cases US States are now experiencing is proof positive that many Americans are fucking idiots. Yes you ALSO have to social distance, wash your hands, clean surfaces, etc. But most Americans are spoiled, whiny, privileged children.

Cases are supposed to go up as we open. The virus is here to stay but we act like it's supposed to go away after lockdown which is not how it works. There is nothing wrong with cases going up, it's about what we can handle. We either get infected now at manageable levels, or stay locked down and keep numbers low, ruin the economy only to get infected anyway at a later time.

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22691219)
Masks don't work? Then why do doctors and nurses wear them in hospitals? Why are front line workers - the ones who come into contact with Covid-19 on a daily basis - getting coronavirus far less than average people? BECAUSE PPE WORKS. Anyone who doesn't believe this has allowed themselves to fall for the propaganda and gaslighting and has voluntarily thrown away their common sense. To those people I say: stay the fuck away from me and my family please!

Masks do offer some protection. Doctors wear them because they are exposed to a huge viral load and so they need it more than anyone else. Even still, the nursing home down the street had 20 nurses wearing full gear and changing it every hour and all still got infected. Most were asymptomatic. All of the residents got infected too and most were asymptomatic. The point is that the virus will get us all with most of us not getting sick, front line workers manage the levels which is why it;s important for them to wear masks.

This isn't about masks or no masks,. That's just isolating one factor from a whole. We are going about this all wrong.

mopek1 06-26-2020 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 22689664)
Brazil was and is in lockdowns. Mayors can do that themselves and did, without Bolsonaro. I have a friend and now corona is coming to his city in Brazil. But the lockdown stopped cause people didn't have any money left to stick it out another 2 months. They have the choice, starve from hunger in lockdown, or make money. He rents out houses and many people couldn't pay the rent. Same with a friend that is a taxi driver, no work, no money. That is a reason why things opened up. I will go to Brazil and my biggest worries are the crime stats that might rise like never before. A friend of mine was lucky the lockdown stopped cause she needed cancer treatment, which was also delayed 2 months due to lockdowns. Many people will end up in poverty again in Brazil cause the economy is down and probably sill be down for years to come. Many people also working from home. But yes, Bolsoaro could have given some more tips how people could be safe. But most agree, the lockdown of the economy will cost more lives than corona.


You may be correct but people don't want to hear that many may suffer and die due to lock down. They simply filter that and you can't even have a reasonable conversation with them. They are focused on Corona and nothing else matters. it's sad really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 22689664)
In Holland 2 newspapers now admitted that the government instructed them not to be to critical on the government scientist. Fear had to be spread so people listened to the government. That is why they published the death rate in chocolate letters on the front page and didn't allow other scientist a stage in the newspapers or talkshows. That also opened some peoples eyes how corrupt the media has become. The last years the media has just become like in the USA, an outlet for political parties when it comes to the EU, Trump, Global Warming. That is no conspiracy, that is what happening.

Most newspapers are just going along with what governments say. Our government was asked which doctors were in charge and their "team" was one doctor and 3 medical administration staff. Not even doctors?

Again, nobody wants to have an honest discussion. This is how I know it's political and not reasonable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 22689664)
Still more deaths of the flu (11.000) than of corona (6000) in Holland (higher numbers than Brazil per million). While the last flu there was also shortage on intensive care they didn't solve. Some years ago there where 2500 intensive care units, but to save money they brought it back to 1000. An empty bed only costs money (till you suddenly need them).

Hospitals are always full and overflowing during flu season. Nobody cared about that before. Suddenly, it's the most important thing.

Also, the flu killed 80,000 in the US a couple of years ago. Nobody cared, nobody knew, the news didn't report a thing. Suddenly, it's important now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 22689664)
India, where i am now, also opened up while Corona stats are rising. Also for the simple reason, people start dying from hunger. Better to save and protect the elderly than put the whole country in Lockdown. For me the economy can go in lockdown for years and i still able to eat. But a little selfish to do that, isn't it?

It's nice that you are genuinely thinking of others welfare and not PRETENDING to think of others welfare to push your narrative. Yes, I was shocked when India locked down. I know that millions there get paid daily and use that money to feed their families. When the lock down started, many were starving for days until aid came. Not fun. Oh, and Tuberculosis will now spread again to millions thanks to the lock down (look it up) and kill perhaps 1.4 million.

Again, nobody cares. Only Corona matters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasty1 (Post 22689664)
But someday you might wake up also.

The biggest shock to me throughout this is how asleep most people are. It is like those movies where you wake up the world is all zombies. The media, governments, neighbors, family, all asleep and willingly so. That's the scariest thing to me.

mopek1 06-26-2020 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 22689515)
I think the main side effect from Covid is that it exposes peoples stupidity

Not stupidity, anxiety.

I don't wear a mask and don't believe that "most" of us need to.

It's anxiety that is running people's decisions - as it usually does.

Imagine if the media reported each and every influenza death and infection each flu season? You'd see a lot more people huddled in their homes, more government intervention (as we plead for them to make us feel better) and more outrage.

Anxiety and politics is running the show now. Not logic.

We need to open up faster.

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The Porn Nerd 06-28-2020 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 22691306)
Cases are supposed to go up as we open. The virus is here to stay but we act like it's supposed to go away after lockdown which is not how it works. There is nothing wrong with cases going up, it's about what we can handle. We either get infected now at manageable levels, or stay locked down and keep numbers low, ruin the economy only to get infected anyway at a later time.



Masks do offer some protection. Doctors wear them because they are exposed to a huge viral load and so they need it more than anyone else. Even still, the nursing home down the street had 20 nurses wearing full gear and changing it every hour and all still got infected. Most were asymptomatic. All of the residents got infected too and most were asymptomatic. The point is that the virus will get us all with most of us not getting sick, front line workers manage the levels which is why it;s important for them to wear masks.

This isn't about masks or no masks,. That's just isolating one factor from a whole. We are going about this all wrong.

Again, this is NOT the flu! All your comparisons - made solely to make you feel better and reduce your own anxiety - are meaningless. Yes people die from the flu but we have vaccines for the flu so MORE people do not die. Corona? No vaccine (yet). No natural immunity (as many have with the flu). No, this is different and much, much more dangerous.

80,000 flu deaths in a year? How about more than 120,000 in three months??? NO it's not the flu. And crunching numbers trying to figure out the odds of YOU catching it is where people are fucking up. We had a chance in the USA to crush this virus, as many other countries have done, but nope. We idiotic Americans continue to debate whether wearing a mask is good, right, healthy, etc while our Covid-19 cases skyrocket and yet people like yourself continue to debunk the science. Amazing.

celandina 06-29-2020 07:42 AM

The final comment on masks and very correct !!!

https://youtu.be/GH88Y_090Xk :thumbsup:thumbsup

CaptainHowdy 06-29-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22692804)
The final comment on masks and very correct !!!

https://youtu.be/GH88Y_090Xk :thumbsup:thumbsup

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