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halfpint

I dont really care if they are born in the UK and are Muslims or not. If you dont like the countrys laws you dont live in it, its that simple. If I walk into a petrol station or most shops with a crash helmet on i am asked to take it off becuse it is hiding my face , why the hell should they be any different because of thier religious beliefs. One law for all citizens not all different laws because of thier religious beliefs.

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moeloubani

And I assume that you will move from the UK because the law says that they CAN wear the veils and you don't like that?

Sly

It sounds like a new law to me. What do you do then? Sit back and take it?

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DWB

Police pulls them over. How do they know who they are?

I am not allowed to wear a mask when the police pulls me over. Why do they get a pass?

I am not allowed to walk into a bank with a mask on. Same with a government house or police station. But they can.

Fuck them. Seriously. Everyone should have to show their face.

halfpint

No I live with it just like all the other people should do if it does become law over here as well and if people find it disgusting that they wont be allowed to wear veils then they should leave or live with it

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split_joel

First off, anyone American who feels that it should be banned, you have done exactly what the people attacking this country wanted to happen. You have become cowards, you are afraid and you will do anything to feel protected and that means giving away your rights as a person in this country.

Second off anyone willing to give the federal government the right to take away civil liberties for safety deserve neither. Do your history even one of our founding fathers said this. I find it funny as a conservative that you Shaun Hannity, Rush, listerns have destroyed the true conservative moment in this country. You all are nothing but racist and or over religious idiots who believe that we all deserve freedom and limited goverment unless it interferes with your beliefs.

F* you all. I blame you people for destroying this country over the damn liberals any day.

halfpint

This is one law that I will support

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uno

Either ban wheelchairs or take away buildings' handicap access. That'll show those jihadist paraplegics.

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potter

Dude, what does anything have to do with the airport? It's private property and private business. United could ban green shirts tomorrow for all I give a shit. My rights granted to me in the constitution end (for the most part) when I walk onto someone else's property.

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Sly

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...nse-veil_x.htm

This is an old article.

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moeloubani

So you're allowed to say that they shouldn't wear veils even though the law says they should, but should the law go the other way they aren't allowed to say that they should be allowed to wear veils but instead should just leave the country?

Tell us about the time you saw a woman weiring a burqa in a bank.

Those things simply don't happen. The women wearing the burqa or veil understand that if they need to be identified then they will have to show their faces.

potter

Uhm... The police can ask them to remove the mask.

You're allowed to wear a mask just as they are when the police pulls you over. If he/she wants you to remove it, they will simply ask.

You can walk into a bank with a mask on. Same with a government house or police station. If you're just doing it to be an asshole, and wearing a ski mask or something. They might ask you to remove it or leave. They could do the same with anyone wearing a muslim veil.

Everyone should have the right to show their face if they want to. You know, civil liberty. It's kind of important.

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DWB

Wrong.

It's called treating everyone EQUALLY, not special. Everyone is treated the same regardless of what imaginary man they believe in. It's that simple. If you deviate from that, you are requesting special treatment. I do not believe in that.

It is that simple. Uncover your face when you go in public, or don't leave your house and wear it 24/7.

potter

Does he even live in this country? I think he's just spewing hateful shit for the thrill of it.

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Sly

I can't tell if you all are scared or jealous.

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potter

Equality doesn't mean everyone has to look the same way you dumbass. It means everyone has the same rights.

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halfpint

No Im saying if they do bring the law in over here its thier choice they live with it or leave and to be frank I hope they do bring it out over here, it has bugged me for years why there is one law for them and another for us. I bet If I started a relgious group called the motorcycle lid lovers and it was part of our religion to wear out helmets all the time I woud still have to remove it in shops an other places

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Sly

There is no law saying I cannot wear a motorcycle helmet in Wal-Mart.

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DWB

They don't even have to show their face when they enter many countries. Seen it with my own eyes. Their IDs and passports are often of them wearing the birka.

Put on any mask you'd like and when the police ask you to remove it, tell them your religion forbids it. See where that goes and let us know about it. But if you are a muslim woman wearing a birka, they wouldn't dare ask you to remove it. Is that fair?

Muslims get special treatment all around the world.

potter

I don't give a fuck what the rules are in the rest of the world. We're talking about the United States.

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DWB

I don't know where you are, but where I am, all banks have notices on the door that you can not wear helmets, face masks or even sunglasses. HOWEVER, muslim women in full face birkas are allowed.

Not sure what would happen if I walked in with a helmet on, but my guess is either not serve me or call the police. The charge... no idea, but I'm sure it would be a pain in the ass and a waste of time.

Go figure.

halfpint

Now now.. potter down no need for all that swearing we are only having a debate

off to bed got work in the morning ..it was fun

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Sly

And what law is that? I would like to read it.

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potter

swearing totally gets the point across better :D

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potter

He seems to think what notice a private business puts on it's door is somehow law.

You know, how "no shirt, no shoes, no service" is the 22nd amendment to the constitution.

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Sly

I wear sunglasses and a hat to my bank, by the way.

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BV

wearing a mask in public is illegal most everywhere

DWB

You should care. But since you are American, I should have expected that answer.

Religious dress is protected by the First Amendment. That means they get away with pretty much anything they want.

StickyGreen

Any American who voted yes on this poll probably doesn't fully understand the concept of freedom.

Amputate Your Head

What if you were wearing a mask of your own face?

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split_joel

Where is this a law that you cannot have your face covered? Ppl wear hats, that covers facial features, people waear beanies, in the winter in cold places where a person wears beanies and a jacket tovers most of there face. People who ride bikes wear helmets and ive seen them walk into stores with it. So is it really a law country wide that you cannot cover your face?

You a woman of muslim beliefs wears this because of her religious beliefs, we have no right to say otherwise even if it goes against what we feel is right.

DWB

Ponder this...

A muslim woman walks into a bank for a large withdraw. Say $20,000. She hands them an ID of her, in a burka. The bank hands her the money without any way of knowing who they were really just dealing with. It could have been her sister or someone who found the ID.

There is your freedom.

It doesn't always work the way it was planned.

StickyGreen

lol, what a terrible example.

The bank shouldn't do anything without properly identifying the person anyways, which means they would most likely have to take off their "burka" for a second.

You should have the freedom to wear whatever you want, but when it comes time to do something such as prove your identity you would obviously have to remove the veil.

DWB

I guess you haven't had many altercations with the police. There doesn't have to be "a law." They will find another law to make their point if they want to. They will pull something out of their ass... failure to comply with something. That's what they do.

Amputate Your Head

That's exactly right. Fuckin' cops make shit up as they go along, and it's never to your benefit.

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Sly

You keep bringing up that example. Where is it happening? Where are all of these people that should have had their money stolen by now from the burqa bandits?

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DWB

In theory, we should all have that freedom. But for the same reason they can wear a burka through immigration, they also get away with it an some banks. Happens all around the world.

It is not as simple as asking them to remove their burka. Doesn't work that way. It's protected by the First Amendment in the USA. And this is the problem. If it was as easy as asking them to remove it, and they did, there wouldn't be any issue at all. But they don't want to remove it. They are not supposed to. Thus the problem.

Kiopa_Matt

I'm going to wander around the LAX airport with a ski mask on. If anyone in the mini-military they have at that airport tries to stop me, I'll just, "Sorry, can't, it's my religious values".

Only thing that is going to get me is a few days in detention, while they interrogate me. Same should be for veils.

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moeloubani

Such a simple plan you would think that someone would have to have done it. Unless it is utter BS and would never work because they would have to check ID.

Who do you think you're fooling? In times when someone needs to make an ID then they make a proper ID but there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to walk outside now with a mask on.

DWB

"And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their head coverings to cover their bosoms, and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule, or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful"

- Qur'an


That means, they don't take that shit off for anyone outside their own clan.

StickyGreen

I think a lot of this just comes down to hatred towards Muslims.

What the fuck do you really care if some women walk around with their faces covered? It really isn't going to affect your life at all, lol.

Quit worrying about Muslims, your own government is more of a threat to you and your freedom than any Muslim ever will be.

just a punk

Yes and not only in the USA!

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DWB

As logical as your post it, it is not the case with all banks. And how do you check an ID where the photo is of them with their face covered?

You can't make this shit up. Some of it is absurd.

I've seen lines of them, totally covered, walk right through security and immigration at various airports around the world.

Boggles the mind. It is amazing what they get away with.

BV

http://www.google.com/#q=wearing+a+m...ef4af a8e1652

moeloubani

I don't see anything there about having to cover up your face. And women can still ID other women and ask them to take off the veil, it says nothing about that.

I don't know man I would have to see it with my own eyes to believe it. Nothing against you but I think if it was as simple as making 10 fake IDs wearing different colored burqas and going around to banks getting loans or something and just walking out changing outfits and walking back in is all you had to do it would have already been done. Many times.

It's hard for me to believe that the banks would allow themselves to be fooled for ANY reason, especially for something so simple.

TangibleAsset

Sounds like a great idea for a controversial website to post all over republican news forums! http://burkaban.com, coming soon! haha

DWB

Read it again.

Again, everything you say is 100% logical! And some banks do demand that. But not all of them. Just the same as not all countries require them to remove them upon entry.

It's crazy.

Hey, wear the damn things, but TAKE THEM OFF when you're asked. Problem solved.

DWB

That was a scenario. I don't know if it ever happened or not, but it could, as not all banks ask them to remove it.

There are banks now that cater to them, Sharia Compliant Banks.