mromro

was wondering, why do tube sites get so much se traffic? They don't seem to have much unique text content on each post, like every one says you should have to rank well.

d-null

don't listen to "everyone"

Google wants to give the people what the people want when they search, the typical person searching with google likes the tube sites

Lace

inbound links, +1's, etc..

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blackmonsters

Exactly.

I love all the theories however.

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bounce rate, links, regular updates, user interaction.. there are a bunch of reasons.

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google gives the user what he wants...

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cooldude7

people love it and so google gives them what people want.

NewNick

Because google runs the biggest tube of them all.........

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I heard that google has a lot of editors. May be they take care that the search results show those tubes.

Jakez

Because most people recognize a link to a tube site (link to a free porn video) and click that.

Seriously, what the hell does that have to do with the thread? Both tube and non-tube sites are promoting the same thing (product with a high affiliate payout).

You are troll status for sure. And I guess I fell for it.

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TeenCat

i will be more happy to know whats going on with google lately, i see quality sites falling down and pages with viruses and popups and redirects and no information value are going to first page ... google is crazy last few weeks at least for me ... wish you best with your business everyeone!

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I agree, I've been noticing a lot of top rankings leading to pages with Google warning (This site may be harmful to your computer! Etc..), even legit corporate type sites.

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I must turn www.perfect-nude.com to rube. Need to do it ASAP
let me know who want to give us content for it?

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who cares about text content this days, its not all about text today mate

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i think seo traffic is about text

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Basically It is yes, It doesn't have to be much text though...

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No just someone who can't think outside the box.

The only reason Porn Tubes exist is the amount of money paid on a join. If this industry was paying say 10% on a join. Would Tubes be able to exist without hosting supplied by sponsors?

This side of porn spent a lot of money to build a barrier between the customer and the seller. Take away that money and the barrier collapses. Then the customer has less to distract him from the places to but and no places, well very few, to get off for free.

When people who built the barrier start to complain about the barrier being a problem and still don't think they fucked up, then there's a real problem.


I don't think like so many of you, I think beyond the box.

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The amount of money tube sites make off of paysite sales is TINY compared to the amount of money they make from ad buys, dating and cams. I know this for 100% fact Paul. So no, the amount of money they are making from "sales" is not the reason they always rank Page 1. The above mentioned reasons are a big part of it but I believe (unproven and unproveable so no names) some of these tubes - shock! - payoff Google for their results. I'm talking $xxx,xxx+.

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blackmonsters

Tubes don't have to pay google any money.


Example :

Millions of surfers go to google and type in free porn and then page thru the links until
they find pornhub and then they click.

So google sees 1 million clicks for pornhub and 200 clicks for the other links.
How does it not make sense for google to go ahead and list pornhub number 1,
when it's a fact already that it is number one by surfer demand?

I go to google and type in a search and then look for the wikipedia link all the
time. People are doing this with porn also.


Think about it like this :

You have 5 banners on your web page and 1000 surfers click the 3rd banner while
only 200 clicks combined came from the other 4 banners.
Aren't you going to move that 3rd banner up to the top to see if it gets 1500
clicks?

And if the top banner only got 5 out of the combined 200 clicks, aren't you going to
remove that banner and try something else?

Google is doing just that with links.
Why keep a link at number one when nobody is clicking it?

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no mistery here ... how started the trend of tubes!? whos got it now!? and what do average joes want!?

youtube ... google ... free porn

see the connection!?

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It's just the algorithm. Although long ago apparently some tubes sites paid a lot of money to various people to do seo work for them which involved buying hard links in order to rank well for "porn". Technically this should have probably resulted in them being de-listed (along with most of the people here) by Google for trying to manipulate the ranks using such techniques but good luck with that. Now they really are what most people are searching for when they type porn. No mystery why pay site sales are falling.

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DVTimes

do not forget that not all tubes will get such good google se.

the 5 main ones got there as they were new, and people posted about them.

in fact they talk about them on tv a lot. so they have been getting a lot of free publicity.

it was only last week on a bbc 1 prime time spot, a comedian chatted about youporn (i think that was the site). you get that much publicity, you get a lot of hits.

so then people post about the sites on forums and blogs.

i see each day on forums people posting to the vids on these tube sites.

so yes this will help google ranking.

also the content updates quick and most tube sites will have an rss feed, and they tend to have lots of text too.

and peopler keep going back. plus people spend time on these sites.

although, to be honest i am suprised that they do not do better in google.

for instance type a pornstars name in google. somtimes you will not see any google links to any tube site. while the tubs have lots of vids of her. so there se stuff is still lacking. its not yet as good as say wiki.

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Jakez

Shut the fuck up already. So if we made 10% of what we do now we would be better off. Right..

Still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Troll.

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large amount if quality inbound links. all the top tube networks have full time seo's building links all day every day.

Nautilus

Google makes it harder and harder by day for copyright owners to remove infringing links from search results and from their other properties like blogspot. All under the guise of "improvements" and "making the process more streamlined for copyright holders", a bunch of criminals who simply LOVE profiting from copyright infringements.

They do not even accept e-mail DMCA notices anymore, and rolled out some fucked up webform instead where you have to submit links manually ONE BY ONE. That's some major "improvement" indeed, especially when you need to remove like 10K links from a site like blogspot that has become piracy heaven recently thanks for Google.

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while stuff like bounce rates are factors. the simple fact is all the tubes in the top google spots have had very aggressive link building campaigns for years now. that is the basis of their rankings. the rest is just fine tuning.

JamesGw

A lot of it is because of their internal link structure. They link a lot of their pages together with "related videos" and whatnot which helps pass linkjuice from the front page. People also tend to link to tubesites a lot, but I really think it's more a factor of the number of pages and internal links.

Pornhub, for example, only has 2 million inbound links according to Yahoo. That's really not that many considering the amount of traffic the site gets. What they do have is 1.6 million internal pages that are all linked.

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Actually, you have your head stuck deep inside a box.

Porn tubes exist because of the amount of money paid on joins?

Sounds like the onset of dementia to me.

Seek medical help, Paul.

Vendzilla

Because they go to google, hit videos and blowjob and they end up at a tube site

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PornHero

I noticed the tubes getting more seo traffic once google bought youtube Smart actually... get people used to watching streaming videos on their computer when they are horny (including obtaining the broadband internet required) and they will be more apt to watch streaming videos even when they aren't horny

google really doesnt give a fuck about what happens with the businesses & industries beyond their site... as long as they give their surfers what they are searching for...

for instance, search for a blockbuster movie by name and add "torrent" at the end of your search... you will get a whole different set of results just by adding the word torrent...if the movie is out on dvd then google will serve up the freshest hottest links to the blockbuster movie just waiting to be downloaded for free... they are making bank on all that traffic and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

when it comes to porn searches it's as if google adds "tube" at the end of every porn search performed on their site. Bastards!

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No It's the cheap hosting....no It's the tube scripts....no It's the streaming format....no It's It's It's the Internet that caused this... It's all Al Gores fault!

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gideongallery

you can blame the copyright holders who DMCA'ed away fair use parodies,commentaries etc away using automated email forms.

That one transaction at a time, clearly establishes the liability for those "mistakes"

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It's easy.... you never hear people talk about "avg time on the site". The fact that tube sites have tons of videos, people can easily spend 10,20,30+ minutes on the site, where as other types of sites they bounce away pretty quick. In my experience google puts a lot of weight on this, which it makes sense. If someone averages 10 seconds on your site or 10 minutes, which one would you rank as more popular / useful to people.

They also generate thousands of pages (each video is it's own page) with good meta tags and search terms.

Then there is the fact that they get a lot of traffic, another variable that in my opinion google puts a lot of weight, which is also common sense. If 1,000,000 or 1,000 people go to a site each day which one do you think is more popular / useful / legit etc.

Then there is bookmarks and people using the code to put these videos on their own sites that produce links back to the tube.

There is probably 20 good reasons that people could point to why tube sites do really well in the SE.

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Paul there is a barrier between your brain and common sense. It's called the great wall of china.

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blackmonsters

Holy shit!

You actually said something that is true this time.


Don't get carried away though, I'm sure you will fuck up again tomorrow.

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The ability to pay the cost of the ads is because of the affiliate method of driving traffic, which previous to Tubes was the top way for most, it was expensive and included in the price of a sale.

So, for instance, Dating sites charge $30 a month. $10 of which goes towards traffic costs because affiliates want 50%+. And the other costs. Now Dating sites can spend $10 of every join on advertising.

If the cost of traffic was 10%, because affiliates only got 10% and weren't given the support they do now. Then the price would of fallen. Maybe to $20 and they wouldn't have the budget to spend on advertising on Tubes.

Same goes for all of the free content online. It's their mostly because the industry spends so much putting it there. Now it's become a huge barrier to getting sign ups and everyones moaning. Now the SE guys are having their turn.

The same principle goes for TGPs in a less harmful way, still the same. They had masses of traffic. The vast majority of which never had to buy porn. Why were there so many with so much free porn on? The budget for traffic was able to pay the bills.

The biggest problem became not getting traffic, but getting enough traffic to get a sign up. People just were not buying in the numbers they would of. It worked until Tubes soaked up so much traffic that wouldn't buy, then the flaws were easy to see.

Now we have this big barrier where 1 site supposedly gets 20 million surfers a day. Multiply that by 10, add the medium and smaller Tubes and the numbers not paying for porn are astounding.

The problem for all the flamers is few of them would survive on 10% and having to provide everything for themselves.

And their definition of what is good. I see 1-500 visitors to a site buying as an immense failure. They see it as success. Yes they think 499 saying no is a success.

Even 1-100 is 99 saying no. Nothing to be shouting about.

No need to comment.

Spot on right for a change. You wouldn't be better off, you would be gone.

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For well over 12 years most online porn companies have companies have fought with each other to see who could get the most traffic. By giving away the most porn. This was very expensive. Any site owner will tell you his bill for generating traffic was immense.

It led to an inflated free porn barrier. Too many affiliates sucking off the teat of sponsors and too little people buying, compared to the numbers not buying. Yet it all worked. If 1-1,000 porn surfers bought, from those like Will who have amazing traffic to those who had poor traffic, it worked. Today the actual number who surf for porn and actually get out a credit card could be around 1-10,000. And the vast majority are on Tube sites like Pornhub.

Now it's biting the most of you in the ass.

Will I might be wrong on the figures, I might be under or over. But the principle is spot on. We built this barrier, not it's so big fewer are buying than ever.

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two words Paul "Nash Equilibrium"

look it up,

you can't beat it, because all it takes to make your entire "plan" to work is one guy deciding to give away more free porn

wishing you could go back in time and change the past is worthless

arguing that you should cut the affiliate payments, or whatever other idea that requires you to get EVER SINGLE PROGRAM to agree to work together will never work

one guy deciding to say screw you and the entire thing falls apart

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Yes far to late now. They were told years ago and decided to ignore it.

The flaw in the "1 guy decides to screw you" is wrong. As he would need to carry the extra cost of the affiliates. Still to late now. Manwin and a few others, might choose to cut out the affiliate. Still with so much traffic going to free, the dye is cast and turning back the clock isn't possible. Still fun to point out to those moaning, "they made their bed and now have to lie in it." Sorry guys of realised giving porn away for free, wasn't the brightest thing to do.

Is there a way to change the situation for a few? Yes. But the answers lie inside the site and not outside.

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Thats what users are looking for when they search for porn. The success of any se lies in giving the users what they want (thats how google beat altavista, yahoo, etc.)

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gideongallery

seriously how stupid are you

affiliates are paid as a percentage of sales

1 guy decides to pay 30% when everyone else is paying 10-20% and every affiliate and their mother will switch to that program

your "there too much free porn" cry baby bullshit is just that bullshit

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Fabien

Now you see why inbound links is not mandatory. Hell i got brand new sites listed and ZERO inbound links !

CarlosTheGaucho

I was heavily googling for some WP related stuff lately and simply wasn't able to find anythng relevant, the results were many times pretty old, lots of mess.

Definitely something weird going on.

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