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BlackCrayon · 02-10-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

EXACTLY. My point of this thread is that I think the government is far over reaching it's authority. Problem is we are becoming a welfare state so the majority of Americans support anything that gives them something for free.

so you pay for the lifelong welfare moms and their many kids instead. seems like a great trade off.

PornoMonster · 02-10-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

How much do birth control pills cost?

I'm curious if the price is actually what is keeping girls from using them. If a given girl is not willing to cut out something else in their life to afford birth control pills, is she going to take the pills as required? Is she going to attend her appointments as required?

Or perhaps it's a numbers game and the amount that will take the pills properly will make up for the ones that don't.

Pretty touchy subject!

Well let us not forget the Millions the gov gives Planned Parent hood for the free or reduced cost of Birth controll and testing.

BC cost my GF $45-$65 a Month --

tony286 · 02-10-2012, 12:26 PM

it was law already in 28 states before obama but this became important now because unemployment is dropping.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012...le-already-law

President Barack Obama's decision to require most employers to cover birth control and insurers to offer it at no cost has created a firestorm of controversy. But the central mandate?that most employers have to cover preventative care for women?has been law for over a decade. This point has been completely lost in the current controversy, as Republican presidential candidates and social conservatives claim that Obama has launched a war on religious liberty and the Catholic Church.

Despite the longstanding precedent, "no one screamed" until now, said Sara Rosenbaum, a health law expert at George Washington University.

In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today?and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Employers that don't offer prescription coverage or don't offer insurance at all are exempt, because they treat men and women equally?but under the EEOC's interpretation of the law, you can't offer other preventative care coverage without offering birth control coverage, too.

"It was, we thought at the time, a fairly straightforward application of Title VII principles," a top former EEOC official who was involved in the decision told Mother Jones. "All of these plans covered Viagra immediately, without thinking, and they were still declining to cover prescription contraceptives. It's a little bit jaw-dropping to see what is going on now?There was some press at the time but we issued guidances that were far, far more controversial."

tony286 · 02-10-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

But their dues never add up to what they are paying out. They are lucky to get to 70% of what they are paying out. Most are near 50%. So the tax payer is on the hook for the scheme.

do you feel that way about politicians? They all get pensions and free healthcare.

Sly · 02-10-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

do you feel that way about politicians? They all get pensions and free healthcare.

Absolutely. They are also insider traders, which is illegal to everyone else.

BFT3K · 02-10-2012, 12:30 PM

The GOP has NO PLAN to fix ANYTHING moving forward. This is why they will lose in 2012. Social issues are all they have, and no one gives a fuck about them, except the brain dead idiots who think we should cut taxes on the billionaires.

Maybe the righties can pull some sort of message together by 2016, but I doubt it.

Let's bomb Iran!

tony286 · 02-10-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

The GOP has NO PLAN to fix ANYTHING moving forward. This is why they will lose in 2012. Social issues are all they have, and no one gives a fuck about them, except the brain dead idiots who think we should cut taxes on the billionaires.

Maybe the righties can pull some sort of message together by 2016, but I doubt it.

Let's bomb Iran!

Yep over 80 percent of catholic woman use some sort of birthcontrol

PR_Phil · 02-10-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by magicmike

The real big problem is all the successful or educated people that don't want children vs. all the poor under educated people breeding like its going out of style. Maybe this gov't birth control helps more than it hurts to "fix" this social problem.

seen "Idiocracy"? Pretty sweet movie about just this, only the dumb asses breed because the intellects are too worried about their financial situation to risk having kids. Soon enough the planet is full of people who just masturbate and watch shows about people getting kicked in the balls.

Makes a lot of sense, idiots don't worry about how they are going to pay for their kids, they just think hey, now when the football goes over the fence I can send my little fucker to go get it, more time to drink beer for me!

what's all the complaining about Teachers Pensions? Is it vastly different in the U.S. than it is in Canada? Teachers pay into their pension plan from the day they start working, and their pension is paid out of the funds that have accumulated. People don't pay for teachers to get a pension, they pay for it themselves, The Ontario Teachers Pension Fund is the richest pension funds in Canada, with like 110 Billion $$ in assets. The fund could pay teachers a $500,000 a year pension, and no, besides other teachers, has a right to complain, it's their money.

MaDalton · 02-10-2012, 12:33 PM

do it like czech clinics with gypsy women - sterilize them without telling them

edit: [/sarcasm]

Sly · 02-10-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Phil

what's all the complaining about Teachers Pensions? Is it vastly different in the U.S. than it is in Canada? Teachers pay into their pension plan from the day they start working, and their pension is paid out of the funds that have accumulated. People don't pay for teachers to get a pension, they pay for it themselves, The Ontario Teachers Pension Fund is the richest pension funds in Canada, with like 110 Billion $$ in assets. The fund could pay teachers a $500,000 a year pension, and no, besides other teachers, has a right to complain, it's their money.

If that was how our public pensions worked, it would be fine.

Coup · 02-10-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

cheaper to give away birth control pills than pay for a jail cell or a welfare check morons. Look at the big picture.

haha, look at you expecting long term thinking from the porn industry.

L-Pink · 02-10-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

This is the biggest problem. Luck for us Obama ended the wars!

That's a federal budget breakdown. Most education taxes are collected and spent on a state level.

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AmeliaG · 02-10-2012, 12:41 PM

I think we should totally be debating whether people can get free birth control pills or condoms or whatever, if they can't make any money, and totally not paying attention to the problem where more and more Americans can't afford basic things like birth control.

/saracasm

PR_Phil · 02-10-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

But their dues never add up to what they are paying out. They are lucky to get to 70% of what they are paying out. Most are near 50%. So the tax payer is on the hook for the scheme.

maybe you guys need to start the math part of this over. the money they put in does not sit in a checking account, pension funds are run by some of the best investors there are.

if I start working at 25, and work till I am 55, and make $10,000 a year. and I pay 10% into a pension fund. ($1000 a year) and a good investor can generate 10% return on that, (complaining that interest is to low to make 10% right now is irrelevant cause these funds have existed for decades and decades.) after a year my contribution is worth $1050, after 2 years $2155, after 3 years $3475, and so on, after my 30 years, at the young age of 55 I get to retire, and lets say they decide to give me a 100% pension WooHoo! my pension would be $10,000 a year, but the money I put into the pension is now worth $211,194.70, so the fund manager only has to make 4% on my money to pay me a 100% pension.

there is no this is how I feel about the subject on this, it is straight mathematics, the reality is that the magic # is 7%, If you are forced to put 10% of your earnings away every year in a pension fund, for 30 years, and the fund manager can get 7% return on your money, after 30 years you can retire, and take a 100% pension in perpetuity, and you can live to be 1000 years old without the money ever running out.

raymor · 02-10-2012, 12:48 PM

I don't see it as so much of a cost issue as a version issue. It seems to me that forcing the Catholic church, for example, to pay for the morning after pill is kind of like forcing the ACLU to pay for Fred Phelps' projects.

That's just the tip very tip of the iceberg, though. We chose a health plan that we can afford (barely) parky because it doesn't convert acupuncture, aromatherapy, and a lot of other crap. We had the freedom to decide what coverage we wanted to buy. We're nite allowed to keep it after 2012 because Obama and the interest groups lobbying in Washington don't longer it. They are telling us we must pay 50% more for a policy that covers acupuncture and crap. Urned a freedom issue, an issue of whether you and I make our own decisions or if Washington runs our lives.

PR_Phil · 02-10-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

If that was how our public pensions worked, it would be fine.

Sorry to hear it is not the same there, forced saving for retirement is incredibly important, without it, we would probably have to off everyone on their 70th birthday

L-Pink · 02-10-2012, 12:51 PM

Didn't Enron have a lot of pension funds invested in them?

ArsewithClass · 02-10-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

I was using the word "permit" for lack of a better term. The point I was making is there is absolutely no negative recourse for someone unfit to be a parent from having children. In fact the opposite is true.

edit; and by unfit yes, I do mean not able to financially provide.

Absolutely agree that unfit parents shouldn't have children... more so the mentality of people or the way people live. Whether hygiene or personality.

To be fair, some folk with financial problems are more tolerable than those without. The is a small amount of people but some, I would think were unfit to raise a child, with no personal morals that count. There's a huge amount of people that have financial worries, yet are very able for a family, with love & support to give to their children to raise them as decent people ready to grow in the big wide world.

PornoMonster · 02-10-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Yep over 80 percent of catholic woman use some sort of birthcontrol

And they pay for it.

While I agree it is a LOT cheaper to pay for BC than the many other outcomes, I beleive the Business should be able to run as it wants. What if I was required to shoot and pay for 300lb models when my business model was for victoria Secrets?

I do not like what my insurance covers and doesn't cover, should I bitch?

Just because it makes more sense to pay for BC than not, it is still NOT A RIGHT.

Sly · 02-10-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Phil

maybe you guys need to start the math part of this over. the money they put in does not sit in a checking account, pension funds are run by some of the best investors there are.

if I start working at 25, and work till I am 55, and make $10,000 a year. and I pay 10% into a pension fund. ($1000 a year) and a good investor can generate 10% return on that, (complaining that interest is to low to make 10% right now is irrelevant cause these funds have existed for decades and decades.) after a year my contribution is worth $1050, after 2 years $2155, after 3 years $3475, and so on, after my 30 years, at the young age of 55 I get to retire, and lets say they decide to give me a 100% pension WooHoo! my pension would be $10,000 a year, but the money I put into the pension is now worth $211,194.70, so the fund manager only has to make 4% on my money to pay me a 100% pension.

there is no this is how I feel about the subject on this, it is straight mathematics, the reality is that the magic # is 7%, If you are forced to put 10% of your earnings away every year in a pension fund, for 30 years, and the fund manager can get 7% return on your money, after 30 years you can retire, and take a 100% pension in perpetuity, and you can live to be 1000 years old without the money ever running out.

I suggest you use the following calculator: http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/...ent_calculator

PR_Phil · 02-10-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I suggest you use the following calculator: http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/...ent_calculator

I suggest that might be the worst retirement income calculator I have ever seen. go to it now, put in the same figures I quoted, as I just did, at the end is says I would need to put away an additional $300,000, that's in order to spend $10,000 a year. Even though at the investment risk I chose, it told me I would get an average of 9.8% return.

anyone who thinks that you need $300,000 to take out $10,000 a year when making 9.8% return can go ahead and keep using that calculator. or should try grade 2 math again.

BTW, just a note, it's not in the best interests of an investment company to tell you "hey that's enough, don't give us any more money"

Paul Markham · 02-10-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

i personally think it should be a covered item. The poor have a list of medications that is covered by medicaid. Birthcontrol should be no different.
same goes with anti-smoking meds..

you can pay for it now or you can pay for it later.

As for him poking his nose and forcing private insurance companies, i have yet to see this. But most insurance companies already pay for this.

I don't see the argument.

Government ran medicaid should cover this.

Yes, A stitch in time saves 9.

Give out free contraceptives, free abortions and say that single women are not getting paid any extra benefits for children born after a date 12 months after the free pills and abortions law is passed. Would save billions. But not PC so no chance of it happening.

Paul Markham · 02-10-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

I heard it was firefighters and I have a problem with all of them.

Yearly pension for Boston teachers:

We need more people on minimum wage rushing into burning buildings to save people, policing and protecting us and above all teaching our children. </sarcasm>

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Originally Posted by PR_Phil

maybe you guys need to start the math part of this over. the money they put in does not sit in a checking account, pension funds are run by some of the best investors there are.

if I start working at 25, and work till I am 55, and make $10,000 a year. and I pay 10% into a pension fund. ($1000 a year) and a good investor can generate 10% return on that, (complaining that interest is to low to make 10% right now is irrelevant cause these funds have existed for decades and decades.) after a year my contribution is worth $1050, after 2 years $2155, after 3 years $3475, and so on, after my 30 years, at the young age of 55 I get to retire, and lets say they decide to give me a 100% pension WooHoo! my pension would be $10,000 a year, but the money I put into the pension is now worth $211,194.70, so the fund manager only has to make 4% on my money to pay me a 100% pension.

there is no this is how I feel about the subject on this, it is straight mathematics, the reality is that the magic # is 7%, If you are forced to put 10% of your earnings away every year in a pension fund, for 30 years, and the fund manager can get 7% return on your money, after 30 years you can retire, and take a 100% pension in perpetuity, and you can live to be 1000 years old without the money ever running out.

In the UK we also got a massive tax reduction on pension funds. I paid into mine from 30 to 57. Which allows me to site here and say it like I really see it and not have to kiss asses.

The way the pensions invest is simple. They buy good solid bonds, stock, etc. They spend the same amount as you put in, lumped in with everyone else. So the market goes up, they can't buy so much. Market goes down they buy lots that are put into the fund. 30 years of ups and downs evens itself out. Ending with a massive lump sum at the end.

That calculator is based on today's returns being the same for the next 30 years. If that happens we're all so far in the shitter. Tin cans of beans will be the best investment. When I say we, I mean you lot.

Also was on slightly more than $10,000. Some of these guys clearly don't plan on retiring early.

PR_Phil · 02-10-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

We need more people on minimum wage rushing into burning buildings to save people, policing and protecting us and above all teaching our children. </sarcasm>

In the UK we also got a massive tax reduction on pension funds. I paid into mine from 30 to 57. Which allows me to site here and say it like I really see it and not have to kiss asses.

The way the pensions invest is simple. They buy good solid bonds, stock, etc. They spend the same amount as you put in, lumped in with everyone else. So the market goes up, they can't buy so much. Market goes down they buy lots that are put into the fund. 30 years of ups and downs evens itself out. Ending with a massive lump sum at the end.

That calculator is based on today's returns being the same for the next 30 years. If that happens we're all so far in the shitter. Tin cans of beans will be the best investment. When I say we, I mean you lot.

Also was on slightly more than $10,000. Some of these guys clearly don't plan on retiring early.

I Canada, Pension funds buy professional sports teams and run them into the ground

bigluv · 02-10-2012, 01:53 PM

Pay for birth control? Fuck no. I'm sure we can come up with a criteria to reversibly sterilize though. Country would be a far, far, better place.

The guy that wrote freakonomics drew the conclusion that abortion rates go up = crime rates go down. So I think we're onto something here.

What criteria should be used? You want to be on welfare? Sterilize. On medical disability in the long term? Sterilize. Food stamps? Sterilize. Children already in foster care? Sterilize.

Whatdya guys think? Maybe you can start paying down that huge debt?

Best-In-BC · 02-10-2012, 01:53 PM

Crazy Americans

PR_Phil · 02-10-2012, 02:01 PM

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Crazy Americans

your avatar = mesmerizing!

Tom_PM · 02-10-2012, 02:16 PM

Nobody is forcing a church to do anything, this is what is such a misdirection and talking point ploy that has been so effective. The church doesnt HAVE to start an insurance company which will be required to comply with existing laws. And again, what happened to the individual woman either choosing to not take birth control (99% do though) or a morning after pill? Why not rely on your teachings and sermons and have faith in them to make good choices? If it's such a lost cause that it has to be viewed as forcing this or that, better give up the fight and fight something else.

Politics queers everything in an election season.

raymor · 02-10-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Nobody is forcing a church to do anything, this is what is such a misdirection and talking point ploy that has been so effective. The church doesnt HAVE to start an insurance company

Yes they, and we, ARE being forced to pay 50% more to cover the morning after pill, acupuncture, etc. which they don't want to have to buy. I don't want to spend an extra $500 / month either, but tough shit. After this year, you have to buy a plan Obama likes. What you want no longer matters.

TheDoc · 02-10-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

Yes they, and we, ARE being forced to pay 50% more to cover the morning after pill, acupuncture, etc. which they don't want to have to buy. I don't want to spend an extra $500 / month either, but tough shit. After this year, you have to buy a plan Obama likes. What you want no longer matters.

The church isn't being forced to do anything - a church is not an insurance company. Any corp, if they own it, you or me, all fall under the same rules. The difference is, they don't think they should have to... and they're wrong.

We are NOT paying 50% more, nor are you paying $500 a month more, very simple to understand why.... it's capped.

Like "every" year, if your plan changes, your insurance company changed it, just like they have before. If you want different insurance, go get it... the choice is 100% yours. At that, your corp isn't big enough that it's forced to do anything, so the choice is all yours.

porno jew · 02-10-2012, 03:17 PM

this thread is total proof that the most of the porn industry is filled with de-evolved idiots who made money in the golden years of porn when any monkey could push buttons on a keyboard and make money.

Choker · 02-10-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's not provided for free, our taxes would pay for it... working women wouldn't get it for free, they would have insurance or pay for it through taxes. However if the women is poor, lives in a state that does not provide assistance, or is part of a religion or ends up in a hospital, that all "refuse" to provide for her, then Obama's policy would kick in, if she has no insurance. Again, paid for through our taxes, because a religion refused to honor a womens choice.

You're mad at the wrong person.

A business is a regulation, every corp has regs, some more than others... some suck, some are bad, and some are very good and very needed. A serious problem is what was happening to make these regulations happen, like religion forcing a womens choice is a constitutional violation - which far out weights a corps rights......... which are ZERO!

Your premiums went up for the last 10, 20+ years, and your coverage went down... and even without Obamacare, it would have went up and continue to do so. You pay for poor women that can't afford it already, at a much higher premium rate.... typically hitting both the state and the fed.

But hey... your money is more important than a womens rights. Of course you would be singing a totally different song if you were a women that needed this.

You sound like a socailist. Yes my money is more important to me and my family than a woman who needs birth control that I have no idea who she is. You sound just like Obama. If I were a woman who couldn't afford birth control I wouldn't going asking strangers on the street for money, would you? There really is no difference here.

Choker · 02-10-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

so you pay for the lifelong welfare moms and their many kids instead. seems like a great trade off.

Your thinking is what I am so anoyed about. Iregardless of the end results, the government should not have the authority to dictate to a business what they should or should not provide to their employees. All these regulations and rules are what got us into the financial mess we are in now.

porno jew · 02-10-2012, 04:00 PM

you sound like a stereotypical american idiot who patrols their garbage cans with a machine gun. fuck off.

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Originally Posted by Choker

You sound like a socailist. Yes my money is more important to me and my family than a woman who needs birth control that I have no idea who she is. You sound just like Obama. If I were a woman who couldn't afford birth control I wouldn't going asking strangers on the street for money, would you? There really is no difference here.

Choker · 02-10-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

this thread is total proof that the most of the porn industry is filled with de-evolved idiots who made money in the golden years of porn when any monkey could push buttons on a keyboard and make money.

What amazes me is how so many adult webmasters who are capitalist, free market gurus, want socialist style reforms and agree with the government being able to tell them what they can and cannot do. I am paying a higher tax rate now than I ever did in the "golden years of porn" yet I am not making more, I make the same as before but I am working a lot more than I did then yet paying more in taxes. I rarely take a day off. What I fear is increased taxes thanks to Obama. My health insurance has like doubled in two years.

beerptrol · 02-10-2012, 04:06 PM

why don't they make BC a 4 dollar prescription at walmart! Or buy a case of old swillwaukee get a free month of BC

Choker · 02-10-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

you sound like a stereotypical american idiot who patrols their garbage cans with a machine gun. fuck off.

You sound like a failed webmaster who wants the government to take care of you. How about you fuck off punk.

porno jew · 02-10-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

You sound like a failed webmaster who wants the government to take care of you. How about you fuck off punk.

go patrol your garbage can goof. whatever.

porno jew · 02-10-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

What amazes me is how so many adult webmasters who are capitalist, free market gurus, want socialist style reforms and agree with the government being able to tell them what they can and cannot do. I am paying a higher tax rate now than I ever did in the "golden years of porn" yet I am not making more, I make the same as before but I am working a lot more than I did then yet paying more in taxes. I rarely take a day off. What I fear is increased taxes thanks to Obama. My health insurance has like doubled in two years.

you admit you went bust in a failed business scheme and are struggling to get back on your feet. who are you fooling? you are just bitter, blaming obama for your problems and patrolling your garbage cans with machine guns. whatever dude.

Choker · 02-10-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

you admit you went bust in a failed business scheme and are struggling to get back on your feet. who are you fooling? you are just bitter, blaming obama for your problems and patrolling your garbage cans with machine guns. whatever dude.

What the fuck are you talking about punk? Struggling to get back on my feet? I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Yeah I've had several ideas not work out so good, but never to the point where I had t o"struggle to get back on my feet". Look here punk, I'm not gonna play your little games on GFY arguing over nothing. You are nothing more than a loud mouthed Keyboard warrior . A nobody. Your life revolves around what you think others think about you from your GFY posts. I've seen hundreds of losers like you over the years. How many posts a day on gfy ? LOL. Play your online games with someone else. I'm not interested PUNK.

BFT3K · 02-10-2012, 06:03 PM

Paul Markham · 02-11-2012, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

You sound like a socailist. Yes my money is more important to me and my family than a woman who needs birth control that I have no idea who she is. You sound just like Obama. If I were a woman who couldn't afford birth control I wouldn't going asking strangers on the street for money, would you? There really is no difference here.

So you would rather pay out billions to look after on wanted children than pay millions to prevent them. Great business strategy.

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Originally Posted by Choker

You sound like a failed webmaster who wants the government to take care of you. How about you fuck off punk.

I'm a successful businessman who wants the Government to look after me rather than rely only on a company run by a board of shareholders. It's called a safety net.

I also want to extend this to other unfortunates who because of businessmen closing factories to open them in the third world are left without a future.

Choker get real, don't live in some little bubble. The future is more and more automation, more and more jobs that used to be done by Americans, or Europeans, will be done by Chinese or Indians. Go look at the "Made in" labels in a toy or clothing shop.

So unless the rich spend billions to educate these people up to a level to do a job Third world workers can't, they are a fact of life. You can pay to keep them fed and happy and in their parts of town or give them nothing and they will come to your part of town looking for what they need.

Since the recession have crime level increased or decreased in your part of the world?
It's great to look at the world through rose tinted glasses until someone smashes them.

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If I were a woman who couldn't afford birth control I wouldn't going asking strangers on the street for money, would you? There really is no difference here

What would you do? Pop out children and let the State pay for them?

epitome · 02-11-2012, 01:53 AM

LOL reading these replies are hysterical. People just make up shit to try and make their beliefs true.

GFED · 02-11-2012, 01:58 AM

i don't think giving out birth control will help anything... most of these whores having babies do it for the "unconditional love", use and abuse the system, or to collect child support.

BlackCrayon · 02-11-2012, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Your thinking is what I am so anoyed about. Iregardless of the end results, the government should not have the authority to dictate to a business what they should or should not provide to their employees. All these regulations and rules are what got us into the financial mess we are in now.

what kind of shitty health insurance doesn't already cover that anyways? its pretty standard, at with companies here in canada. personally i think birht control should be free to those who make under a certain amount who can't afford insurance. those are the people who really need to stop reproducing.

raymor · 02-11-2012, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

We are NOT paying 50% more, nor are you paying $500 a month more, very simple to understand why.... it's capped.

Like "every" year, if your plan changes, your insurance company changed it, just like they have before. If you want different insurance, go get it... the choice is 100% yours. At that, your corp isn't big enough that it's forced to do anything, so the choice is all yours.

I thought you were in the US? If so, I guess you haven't watched the news (or bought health insurance) for the last few years. Damn I wish it was my choice. I sure would love to keep the insurance we had. We can't though because it's not Obama approved. It already went up $250 / month starting last month when the Obamacare pre-existing condition under 18 rule went into effect . The insurance company has notified us it'll be another $250 / month by next year to cover the extra crap Obamacare requires coverage for then. Our choice?!?! Are you living in 2004? That's why we had to raise the price on Strongbox and Throttlebox - to cover the increased premiums under Obamacare because we can no longer choose an affordable plan - it's illegal. We have to buy Obama approved coverage.

Fletch XXX · 02-11-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

SO now Obama is trying to save face. Heard a spokesman say that every woman has the right to free birth control. WTF is going on in this country. Every woman has the right to free birth control? I don't remember reading that in the Constitution. Here my government is forcing insurance companies into this shit which results in my health insurance increasing. Government needs to get the fuck out of private business.

the average obese person costs tax payers 8k a year in hostpital, why not bitch about fat people instead?

birth control is cheap compared to the other wastes... id rather have women not make more poverty stricken kids than be fat and you pay their medical anyway....

tony286 · 02-11-2012, 09:22 AM

Funny raymor my health ins has gone up every year since I got it in 2001. Everytime it's time to renew it goes up. Obama wasn't even a Senator back then want to blame him? Also No ones fed taxes have gone up a dime for most they went down.

CDSmith · 02-19-2012, 09:28 AM

Doctors in Canada have been dishing out free birth control to women since the 70's and possibly earlier than that. We still have a teen/unwanted pregnancy problem, but then again one has to wonder what that problem would look like without free birth control.

The long term cost of unwanted pregnancy is horrendous, that much I know. Throwing a bandaid like free birth control at it to reduce it is probably a good idea.

tony286 · 02-19-2012, 12:27 PM

Also women need bc for other Med reasons than no babies.

02-10-2012, 12:33 PM	#59
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02-10-2012, 12:41 PM	#63
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02-10-2012, 12:48 PM	#65
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	I don't see it as so much of a cost issue as a version issue. It seems to me that forcing the Catholic church, for example, to pay for the morning after pill is kind of like forcing the ACLU to pay for Fred Phelps' projects. That's just the tip very tip of the iceberg, though. We chose a health plan that we can afford (barely) parky because it doesn't convert acupuncture, aromatherapy, and a lot of other crap. We had the freedom to decide what coverage we wanted to buy. We're nite allowed to keep it after 2012 because Obama and the interest groups lobbying in Washington don't longer it. They are telling us we must pay 50% more for a policy that covers acupuncture and crap. Urned a freedom issue, an issue of whether you and I make our own decisions or if Washington runs our lives. __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

02-10-2012, 01:53 PM	#76
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02-10-2012, 02:16 PM	#78
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02-10-2012, 12:26 PM	#53
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	it was law already in 28 states before obama but this became important now because unemployment is dropping. http://motherjones.com/politics/2012...le-already-law President Barack Obama's decision to require most employers to cover birth control and insurers to offer it at no cost has created a firestorm of controversy. But the central mandate?that most employers have to cover preventative care for women?has been law for over a decade. This point has been completely lost in the current controversy, as Republican presidential candidates and social conservatives claim that Obama has launched a war on religious liberty and the Catholic Church. Despite the longstanding precedent, "no one screamed" until now, said Sara Rosenbaum, a health law expert at George Washington University. In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today?and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Employers that don't offer prescription coverage or don't offer insurance at all are exempt, because they treat men and women equally?but under the EEOC's interpretation of the law, you can't offer other preventative care coverage without offering birth control coverage, too. "It was, we thought at the time, a fairly straightforward application of Title VII principles," a top former EEOC official who was involved in the decision told Mother Jones. "All of these plans covered Viagra immediately, without thinking, and they were still declining to cover prescription contraceptives. It's a little bit jaw-dropping to see what is going on now?There was some press at the time but we issued guidances that were far, far more controversial."

02-10-2012, 12:30 PM	#56
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	The GOP has NO PLAN to fix ANYTHING moving forward. This is why they will lose in 2012. Social issues are all they have, and no one gives a fuck about them, except the brain dead idiots who think we should cut taxes on the billionaires. Maybe the righties can pull some sort of message together by 2016, but I doubt it. Let's bomb Iran!

02-10-2012, 12:51 PM	#67
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02-10-2012, 01:53 PM	#75
bigluv Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 850	Pay for birth control? Fuck no. I'm sure we can come up with a criteria to reversibly sterilize though. Country would be a far, far, better place. The guy that wrote freakonomics drew the conclusion that abortion rates go up = crime rates go down. So I think we're onto something here. What criteria should be used? You want to be on welfare? Sterilize. On medical disability in the long term? Sterilize. Food stamps? Sterilize. Children already in foster care? Sterilize. Whatdya guys think? Maybe you can start paying down that huge debt?

02-10-2012, 03:17 PM	#81
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02-10-2012, 04:06 PM	#86
beerptrol Confirmed Asshole Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Half way between sobriety and fubar. Posts: 12,722	why don't they make BC a 4 dollar prescription at walmart! Or buy a case of old swillwaukee get a free month of BC __________________ “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.” -- Ulysses S. Grant Last edited by beerptrol; 02-10-2012 at 04:08 PM..

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02-11-2012, 01:53 AM	#93
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02-11-2012, 01:58 AM	#94
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02-11-2012, 09:22 AM	#98
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Funny raymor my health ins has gone up every year since I got it in 2001. Everytime it's time to renew it goes up. Obama wasn't even a Senator back then want to blame him? Also No ones fed taxes have gone up a dime for most they went down.

02-19-2012, 09:28 AM	#99
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02-19-2012, 12:27 PM	#100
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Also women need bc for other Med reasons than no babies.