All this birth control bullshit

[Choker]

SO now Obama is trying to save face. Heard a spokesman say that every woman has the right to free birth control. WTF is going on in this country. Every woman has the right to free birth control? I don't remember reading that in the Constitution. Here my government is forcing insurance companies into this shit which results in my health insurance increasing. Government needs to get the fuck out of private business.

[cherrylula]

I can't stand when the religion is all wrapped up in the politics like this. It is such a waste of time and energy for all involved.

[BFT3K]

[magicmike]

Would you rather pay for the kids education etc?

[L-Pink]

I don't agree with you Choker. I think birth control should be mandatory and permits needed to have a kid.

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[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't agree with you Choker. I think birth control should be mandatory and permits needed to have a kid.

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Indeed. You need a fucking license for a dog.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Choker

SO now Obama is trying to save face. Heard a spokesman say that every woman has the right to free birth control.

This is where my grandmother would say "birth control is free and every woman does have a right to it! Abstinence!"

[IllTestYourGirls]

The main problem is people are too fucking stupid to understand what a "right" is. I have a right to this and that. No you don't. You do not have the right to take from another person.

Originally Posted by magicmike

Would you rather pay for the kids education etc?

I don't see that in the constitution either. But on a state level, yes I would pay for them.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Indeed. You need a fucking license for a dog.

I needed neighborhood approval and a permit to change the style of my screen door. The humane society makes house visits to see if you qualify to adopt a dog.

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[porno jew]

damn kids get your abortions off my lawn!

[porno jew]

cheaper to give away birth control pills than pay for a jail cell or a welfare check morons. look at the big picture.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

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I don't see that in the constitution either. But on a state level, yes I would pay for them.

You WOULD pay for them? Own property and you don't have a choice. I pay more than $1500.00 a month for property taxes to educate other peoples children.

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[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't agree with you Choker. I think birth control should be mandatory and permits needed to have a kid.

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that's further than i would have gone but you have to admit, having poor people have kids all over the place because they can't afford to pay for birth control pills will end up costing the country more in the end.--this i'm sure we all can agree on.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You WOULD pay for them? Own property and you don't have a choice. I pay more than $1500.00 a month for property taxes to educate other peoples children.

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Our tax rate for the schools is right around $12 per $1000. I said I would pay for their education, not these bloated pensions the teachers have

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You WOULD pay for them? Own property and you don't have a choice. I pay more than $1500.00 a month for property taxes to educate other peoples children.

Not sure if every state has a STAR program, but...

http://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/property/star/index.htm

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

that's further than i would have gone but you have to admit, having poor people have kids all over the place because they can't afford to pay for birth control pills will end up costing the country more in the end.--this i'm sure we all can agree on.

Simple solution, don't pay for them. I bet you see birth rates drop.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Simple solution, don't pay for them. I bet you see birth rates drop.

rock solid logic right there.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't agree with you Choker. I think birth control should be mandatory and permits needed to have a kid.

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Indeed. You need a fucking license for a dog.

my saying since 1987...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Choker

I don't remember reading that in the Constitution.

Amendment 19, Woman's Sufferage.

The right of women of the United States to drive, vote, and have unlimited access to free birth control. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

(I'm kidding.)

[Sly]

How much do birth control pills cost?

I'm curious if the price is actually what is keeping girls from using them. If a given girl is not willing to cut out something else in their life to afford birth control pills, is she going to take the pills as required? Is she going to attend her appointments as required?

Or perhaps it's a numbers game and the amount that will take the pills properly will make up for the ones that don't.

Pretty touchy subject!

[boneprone]

i personally think it should be a covered item. The poor have a list of medications that is covered by medicaid. Birthcontrol should be no different.
same goes with anti-smoking meds..

you can pay for it now or you can pay for it later.

As for him poking his nose and forcing private insurance companies, i have yet to see this. But most insurance companies already pay for this.

I dont see the arguement.

Government ran medicaid should cover this.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Sly

How much do birth control pills cost?

I'm curious if the price is actually what is keeping girls from using them. If a given girl is not willing to cut out something else in their life to afford birth control pills, is she going to take the pills as required? Is she going to attend her appointments as required?

Or perhaps it's a numbers game and the amount that will take the pills properly will make up for the ones that don't.

Pretty touchy subject!

Well the way I see it is, if the government wont give away free birth control pills that makes an opportunity to start a non-profit to supply free birth control. I am sure the free market can find a way to do it. People are juts lazy and would rather use the force of government to make others do what they think is right.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Not sure if every state has a STAR program, but...

http://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/property/star/index.htm

I own commercial property and the taxes for schools are pathetic. On one warehouse the taxes are eighty seven cents a square foot. That's more than 10% of the lease value.

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[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by Choker

SO now Obama is trying to save face. Heard a spokesman say that every woman has the right to free birth control. WTF is going on in this country. Every woman has the right to free birth control? I don't remember reading that in the Constitution. Here my government is forcing insurance companies into this shit which results in my health insurance increasing. Government needs to get the fuck out of private business.

In the UK, the doctors give birth control.. Natalie has been on an implant for 12 years, it's 99.8% definite. All birth control should be free, it is in the UK. If people have the respect to stop the population growing, it should be given...

L-Pink, The thing is, no birth control is 100%.... Therefore, permits to have a child, well, a silly idea, you probably said this in jest

[TurboAngel]

Originally Posted by Sly

How much do birth control pills cost?

10 years ago I was on them and it was $35 a month.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Our tax rate for the schools is right around $12 per $1000. I said I would pay for their education, not these bloated pensions the teachers have

Teachers get tiny pensions...yet nobody complains about cops getting hugely bloated pensions that are actually causing municipalities to go broke...

[Sly]

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

Teachers get tiny pensions...yet nobody complains about cops getting hugely bloated pensions that are actually causing municipalities to go broke...

I do. I was just talking with someone about it yesterday. Fire Department, too. Hey it's great that you are doing a job nobody else wants and serving the public, but come on...

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

Teachers get tiny pensions...yet nobody complains about cops getting hugely bloated pensions that are actually causing municipalities to go broke...

I heard it was firefighters and I have a problem with all of them.

Yearly pension for Boston teachers:

[TheDoc]

I guess it wouldn't be an issue if the Church would stop forcing a womens choice through massive social/church pressure and all the other crap they do, basically ripping away her freedoms, all in the name of religion.

Big bad Obama standing up for Women...

I agree with anything that makes any church have to get up some of its money... actually, I don't think a church should be allowed to make any profit, all money should be given back to the community... god simply doesn't need it.

P.S. If a women qualifies for assistance, she qualifies for birth control - but not if she is a member some churches, as they take that "social" responsibly, to ensure her choices are 'correct' in the name of that religion.

[L-Pink]

The Catholics stance on birth control is for priests to only have sex with boys. Genius.

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[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't agree with you Choker. I think birth control should be mandatory and permits needed to have a kid.

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I kind of agree with you, but why is this not a problem in other countries? People here think they can just have kids and someone else will take care of them. fucked up

[Choker]

Originally Posted by boneprone

i personally think it should be a covered item. The poor have a list of medications that is covered by medicaid. Birthcontrol should be no different.
same goes with anti-smoking meds..

you can pay for it now or you can pay for it later.

As for him poking his nose and forcing private insurance companies, i have yet to see this. But most insurance companies already pay for this.

I dont see the arguement.

Government ran medicaid should cover this.

Obamacare is MAKING private insurance companies provide this for free. If you do not see how the government telling a PRIVATE company how to conduct it's business is serious problem, well I don't know man.

The argument that it's cheaper to provide the pills than take care of poor kids is valid, but at the cost of throwing out the rights of a private company to conduct business as it needs to? Not to mention the fact that forcing insurance companies to do this results in MY PREMIUMS going up. SO in the end I have to pay for womens birth control pills. There's a million ways to look at this issue.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The Catholics stance on birth control is for priests to only have sex with boys. Genius.

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L-Pink, what has happened to you today??? Like WTF!

Originally Posted by bossku69

I kind of agree with you, but why is this not a problem in other countries? People here think they can just have kids and someone else will take care of them. fucked up

Already said, how can you place a permit on having a child, when birth control is only 90 to 99% true....

Maybe China have the right idea with the law of a maximum amount & costs to pay if you have more.

Problem is, some families are very very nice & ideal to have many children, their children are intelligent & shall make this world a better place. Some families have 1 or 2 children & are complete rogues, creating trouble & not caring.... You cannot stereotype & the permit idea is just silly.

[BFT3K]

For-Profit Healthcare shouldn't even BE a business, and then the government wouldn't be able to force these "businesses" to do anything.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Well the way I see it is, if the government wont give away free birth control pills that makes an opportunity to start a non-profit to supply free birth control. I am sure the free market can find a way to do it. People are juts lazy and would rather use the force of government to make others do what they think is right.

EXACTLY. My point of this thread is that I think the government is far over reaching it's authority. Problem is we are becoming a welfare state so the majority of Americans support anything that gives them something for free.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

L-Pink, what has happened to you today??? Like WTF!



Already said, how can you place a permit on having a child, when birth control is only 90 to 99% true....

Maybe China have the right idea with the law of a maximum amount & costs to pay if you have more.

Problem is, some families are very very nice & ideal to have many children, their children are intelligent & shall make this world a better place. Some families have 1 or 2 children & are complete rogues, creating trouble & not caring.... You cannot stereotype & the permit idea is just silly.

The local humane society requires a home visit to make sure the home meets minimum requirements before you can adopt a DOG. But anyone can have children with society picking up the costs and in some cases even paying the mother. That's fucked up.

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[BFT3K]

The problem is, we don't spend enough money on bombs. It's obvious!

If we spent ALL of our money on war, then we wouldn't have to bicker about shit like education and healthcare...

[L-Pink]

A single mother qualifies for ? a free cell phone, free housing vouchers, free child care, free medical care, food stamps, assistance checks and will probably receive a tax refund check even though she didn't work. Or she could be on birth control. Let me see .....

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[magicmike]

I wasn't saying its a rights issue, just saying its probably going to save people money at the end of the day.

On one hand the gov't should be in the business of encouraging people to have children at some level otherwise the country shrinks without immigration, just look at Japan for an example.

The real big problem is all the successful or educated people that don't want children vs. all the poor under educated people breeding like its going out of style. Maybe this gov't birth control helps more than it hurts to "fix" this social problem.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The local humane society requires a home visit to make sure the home meets minimum requirements before you can adopt a DOG. But anyone can have children with society picking up the costs and in some cases even paying the mother. That's fucked up.

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I agree with this, but that's what social services are for....

A permit is just stupid, it would increase the illegal baby trade or something bad would come of it....

People always try to break the law, rules, or get over a problem if they want something.

In the UK, we do have vetting to create a safe home... the midwife comes to your home.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by bossku69

I kind of agree with you, but why is this not a problem in other countries? People here think they can just have kids and someone else will take care of them. fucked up

this is also a problem in other countries. Birth control was covered here for years yet you still see idiots without jobs having 3 or more kids they cant raise properly.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

I agree with this, but that's what social services are for....

A permit is just stupid, it would increase the illegal baby trade or something bad would come of it....

People always try to break the law, rules, or get over a problem if they want something.

In the UK, we do have vetting to create a safe home... the midwife comes to your home.

I was using the word "permit" for lack of a better term. The point I was making is there is absolutely no negative recourse for someone unfit to be a parent from having children. In fact the opposite is true.

edit; and by unfit yes, I do mean not able to financially provide.

[Tom_PM]

It's all about catholic organizations wanting to start an insurance company. The ONLY way this should EVER have been framed is simply this:

Should anyone who starts an insurance company be required to follow all local, state and federal rules which regulate insurance agencies? Yes or No.

By the way, consider the actual argument! NOBODY is forcing ANY WOMAN to go and request birth control. If someone is so religious that they personally wouldnt do it, then good for her! But whats this shit about telling someone that nobody ELSE should be able to ask for it? What's with the people trying to be dictators from the sidelines? Yeesh.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

I heard it was firefighters and I have a problem with all of them.

Yearly pension for Boston teachers:

You know they pay into the pension system for 30 years to get that pay out, right?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Choker

Obamacare is MAKING private insurance companies provide this for free. If you do not see how the government telling a PRIVATE company how to conduct it's business is serious problem, well I don't know man.

The argument that it's cheaper to provide the pills than take care of poor kids is valid, but at the cost of throwing out the rights of a private company to conduct business as it needs to? Not to mention the fact that forcing insurance companies to do this results in MY PREMIUMS going up. SO in the end I have to pay for womens birth control pills. There's a million ways to look at this issue.

It's not provided for free, our taxes would pay for it... working women wouldn't get it for free, they would have insurance or pay for it through taxes. However if the women is poor, lives in a state that does not provide assistance, or is part of a religion or ends up in a hospital, that all "refuse" to provide for her, then Obama's policy would kick in, if she has no insurance. Again, paid for through our taxes, because a religion refused to honor a womens choice.

You're mad at the wrong person.

A business is a regulation, every corp has regs, some more than others... some suck, some are bad, and some are very good and very needed. A serious problem is what was happening to make these regulations happen, like religion forcing a womens choice is a constitutional violation - which far out weights a corps rights......... which are ZERO!

Your premiums went up for the last 10, 20+ years, and your coverage went down... and even without Obamacare, it would have went up and continue to do so. You pay for poor women that can't afford it already, at a much higher premium rate.... typically hitting both the state and the fed.

But hey... your money is more important than a womens rights. Of course you would be singing a totally different song if you were a women that needed this.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

You know they pay into the pension system for 30 years to get that pay out, right?

Boston, like most other cities/towns with pensions, are stuck with paying for over 40% to 50% of the teachers pensions. In Boston the teachers are only funding 60% of what the city is paying out. So yeah, the teachers pay in, but the tax payers pay in a lot.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

You know they pay into the pension system for 30 years to get that pay out, right?

They pay 11% of salary, mandatory, and they can retire at 55. They then receive up to 80% of their highest salary for the rest of their lives. Get in at 25, retire at 55, die at 85 with that same 80%.

The math doesn't work. They are dependent on future teachers paying dues. It's a Ponzi scheme.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The problem is, we don't spend enough money on bombs. It's obvious!

If we spent ALL of our money on war, then we wouldn't have to bicker about shit like education and healthcare...

This is the biggest problem. Luck for us Obama ended the wars!

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Sly

They pay 11% of salary, mandatory, and they can retire at 55. They then receive up to 80% of their highest salary for the rest of their lives. Get in at 25, retire at 55, die at 85 with that same 80%.

The math doesn't work. They are dependent on future teachers paying dues. It's a Ponzi scheme.

But their dues never add up to what they are paying out. They are lucky to get to 70% of what they are paying out. Most are near 50%. So the tax payer is on the hook for the scheme.

[Just Alex]

I would to see mandatory birth control pill policy in ghetto projects and trailer parks. This way we would have to see all there black kids running around with guns and shit.