xenigo

I know there's got to be a handful of you. Who's ordered one so far?

The specs on this machine have me drooling... 2880x1800 IPS display. Holy fucking crap.

madko

i love it! i want one!!

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MaDalton

i'll wait till that display comes on a windows machine for half the price ;)

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DamianJ

Mac users are all hipster wankers

xenigo

And Porsche drivers are douches, BMW drivers are pricks, and people who live in 20,000 sq foot homes are "greedy".

We can't all be like you.

Viper2K1

My main (windows) laptop died on me 2 weeks ago (after 6 years of heavy usage, I can't complain), and have been waiting to see what they came up with.

but at 2300 euro for the base model ... I'm not willing to pay that kind of money LOL

I don't really understand why people need a retina display on a 15" laptop, even for photo editing ... don't those people hook their laptop up on some 27"+ external IPS screen when they want to get some work done properly?

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When we talk about products like these, we're not talking about "need". If it was need we were talking about, we'd all go and buy $300 Acer notebooks with Celeron processors from Walmart. We'd all drive Ford Festivas, and live in 400 sq foot homes made by Ikea. In this case, actually when it comes to any Apple product... we're talking purely about personal indulgences, and self satisfaction.

2880 x 1800 15" IPS display gives you 220ppi. It's the pixel density that makes it absolutely gorgeous. The 27" display looks great too, but it's a lower resolution and a MUCH lower pixel density.

So yeah, nobody "needs" it... But I certainly will love owning one.

donkevlar

Ha @ people still hanging onto Windows.

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Alex69

i'm really happy with my hp dreamcolor display on my laptop - colors look exactly as if you would print them

L-Pink

Thank you ... I think.

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donkevlar

Using Windows on purpose is like eating McDonalds instead of healthy food because it gets you just as full for cheaper.

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Mr Pheer

I just bought a new 17" macbook a few months ago so I'll be waiting a while. It sits closed most of the time with three monitors plugged into it, so the retina screen wouldnt really benefit me much except when I travel and take the macbook with me. It does have some impressive specs though.

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I ordered one

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Shoplifter

No 17 inch? Fuck that.

I'd be really wary of these ultra high resolution displays just yet as they scale video playback so badly.

2MuchMark

I love all things Apple but I really don't want this machine. I would much rather have a desktop with that kind of resolution than a laptop. I'm willing to bet that Apple will be coming out with desktop machines like iMac's with these super-screens, or monitors & video card upgrades for their Mac Pro machines. I'll wait until then.

What I really wish they would do is release SIRI for the Mac. Apple has a new operating system out in July but no siri.

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vdbucks

I personally can't be bothered spending 5x the amount of money for the same hardware - minus the retina display in this case - that PC's use.

Mac's use the same intel processors that PC's use; the same RAM; flash storage != ssd and sucks imho and is also the same as used in cheap netbooks. Sure, their motherboards are 'custom' but that's generally only the form factor as - the last time I checked - the company who manufactures them also manufactures PC motherboards. The hard drives are the same, as are the video cards... pretty much everything but the chassis and software are nothing but severely overpriced PC parts.

geedub

At least you admit you buy Apple because you like it and not come up with some stupid excuse like most.

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You need to pay better attention.

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TheSenator

All that power and such a small screen size.

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xenigo

The 2048 x 1536 resolution iPad looks certifiably incredible... and that's when viewing 1280 x 720 video, or 1920 x 1080 video and I'm one seriously picky fucker when it comes to scaling problems.

We have a 46" Samsung LED LCD that also scales perfectly... even SD looks as it should.

I think the scaling issues you're referring to are ones of first and second generation LCD's...

xenigo

It's really the only reason anyone should buy anything.

NerdScott

No external cinema display with retina is a huge bummer. 27" retina + new mbp would have been a bad ass combo.

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beks001

I want an imac so bad. Maybe when I actually make a decent amount one month I will splurge and pick one up. I run windows mostly but I do like mac. I guess everyone has there "things". It can't be bad though is all I'm saying.

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whats the display size on this machine?

Theo

15" everything must look so tiny in that resolution

xenigo

They're scaling 2x all the applications and OS so there's no change in size. You can size the icons and text down depending on how good your vision is. But you definitely don't have that option on a lower res monitor without everything looking like crap...

AdultKing

I've ordered one. It's a no brainer really.

To all you Apple haters. The next Apple OS is going to be $20. How much is the best version of Windows ?

I use Apple products because they are better than anything else on the market and I want the best.

OS X is based on Unix (BSD). I not only have the most intuitive GUI there is but I can open a terminal window and have the full power of Bash and Unix at my finger tips. I don't need extra programs to do something as basic as be able to ssh into a server.

Windows sucks. It's a lousy product and I have no understanding why people persist with it. Windows conforms to almost no commonly accepted computing standard, it does things it's way which is stupid because as a user, I want to do things my way.

If you use Windows because it's better for you fine, but don't hate Apple out of misunderstanding, it makes you look ignorant.

Theo

Thats great feature

Fap

I was about to then I saw it only came in 15.4".. I want 13

Donny

Freaking awesome quote! I'll be stealing it!

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Stephen

B&H is taking pre-orders now, but I'm more likely to pick up an iPad w/ Retina

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Slappin Fish

Really?!? Apple products are (sometimes) well worth the money but that quote reminded me of the dumbest crap users would say at the height of the fanboi era

vdbucks

Speaking of ignorant... the only thing "better" that you are paying for is the software. Apple uses the same hardware as everyone else. It never ceases to amaze me that people who stand behind apple as the 'superior' product do not realize this simple fact.

And yes, I agree, OS X is by far better than windows. But that's where Apple superiority ends. And the reason an upgrade to the next version is only $20 is because 1. it's only available for mac and 2. they already raped your face on the cost of the hardware.

I mean, seriously...
$250 upgrade cost for 0.1Ghz more processor speed
$200 for 8GB more RAM
$500 for an additional 256GB of flash storage - mind you, flash storage != ssd

And those prices are in addition to the already insane price of $2,799

Hate to break it to you guy but Apple laughs it's way to the bank every time someone buys one of their products because at the end of the day, you're using nothing but a PC with a Mac label on it.

I mean, why do you think it's so easy to run OS X - with unmodified kernels these days - on more modern PCs? Here's a hint: because they use the same hardware.

Now, as stated above, I think OS X is far and away better than windows, so I'll give you that. I personally run linux anyway because I'm not so great at fixing dsdt's in order to have my machine run OS X as best it can - ran in to higher than average cpu temps - but if ever comes the day when Apple officially endorses OS X on PC's then I think windows will be short of doomed. Then again, they'd just charge an insane amount for the windows version, and smarter people would still use the 'hackintosh' methods anyway...

Sophie Delancey

Want! I have my iMac, but I find myself constantly gravitating towards the mobility of a laptop... This would be kind of perfect.

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MrCain

I don't hate Apple. It's the arrogance of the Apple user I hate.

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I've used everything from windows 3.11 to win7, beos, solaris, tons of linux distros, tons of window managers, free, net and openbsd,... and macos... And imho the least intuitive ui I've ever encountered is the one Macos uses.

When I see macbooks, I see great screens, great batteries and a lousy interface. The lousy interface doesn't really have to be a problem. I could always install another OS on there, but I still won't consider buying a macbook for 2 reasons:
- Apple's attitude towards its distributors and other companies.
- The look-I'm-superior attitude of a small but very vocal and visible group of Apple users.

Of course not every Apple user is an arrogant brainwashed puppet and of course everyone is free to use whatever he wants to use. I personally would never want to run the risk of being a associated with their fanboys.

AdultKing

Sure, except everybody else completely ignore design when it comes to building their systems, or alternatively they now release Ultrabooks which fall into Intel's Ultrabook design reference with a few tweaks here and there.

I don't care that an Apple machine costs me more, the devices are typically of excellent design and this is important to many users. Little things do make a difference. An example is the magsafe connector, it's saved my Macbook Pro many times. The Unibody enclosure, which nobody has come close to matching, ensures that my computer is pretty safe when thrown around baggage carousels or on the back of the motorbike, or backpack. There are many little things about Apple design that I appreciate.

On the internals, there are other quality issues. A friend of mine as a gorgeous Ultrabook, with a noisy fan, he's taken it back and had it replaced and compared with others using the same machine, all the fans in that model are noisy. I don't hear my Macbook Pro ever. Again little things like that make a difference to me.

Sure, other manufacturers may adopt some of these features, but I don't want to wait for compromise.

On the OS, sure people run Hackintosh but I run a business, there are stiff penalties for pirating software or not complying with license terms. It's essential for any business to survive a surprise audit by the BSA if one should ever occur.


The eco system suits me also, the ease of software delivery and licensing via the App store has greatly simplified our life. Upgrades of all of our software (bar a couple of titles) are automatic and apply to every machine at the same time. Windows has nothing like it.

If others are happy using "the same hardware" from other manufacturers that's fine, however that other hardware wont legally run OS X so that's useless for me. OS X is reason enough to use a Mac over other Windows.

VenusBlogger

I dont buy over-priced fashion gadgets... it makes no sense.

vdbucks

Hate to break it to you but you're the one who tried using the cost comparison of OS X and windows as a talking point.

Also, I don't condone those who use pirated versions of OS X. I legally purchased both Snow Leopard - via cd - and Lion via the app store. And if you knew anything about the 'hackintosh' world then you would know that Apple hasn't gone after anyone in it for the very reason that their claims wouldn't hold up in court. I'ts been gone over endless times, and apple is quite aware of the hackintosh community.

But I digress. Don't let facts stop you from wasting money on the same cheapest bidder products that are found everywhere else lol. Keep on with your moot point apples and oranges comparisons if they help convince you that you're not wasting money ;)

Django

Apple rocks

KingNigel

I'd buy one if it didn't come with that huge apple logo.

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AdultKing

After just a couple of Windows upgrades you'd be ahead money wise.

Windows 7 Ultimate is $499 here. Apple OS X is $30.

I got 6 years out of my Powerbook which is now being used by someone else and still runs OS X fine.

I've had 3 years years out of my secondary Macbook Pro and it also still runs fine.

Most people I know running PC notebooks tend to need to upgrade every 2 years or so.

So over the lifetime of the machine I might spend a couple of hundred more dollars than a Windows PC user. For fucks sake I can spend more than that cost difference on a trip to the pub.

I'll wont lose sleep over spending a few dollars more.

vdbucks

Again with that comparison... And yet you're failing to realize that it's not like Micro$oft gives you a new OS every 6 months or every year. After XP came the joke called Vista. Vista was pretty much the Windows ME of 7. After Vista came 7.

XP was released in 2001
Vista was released in 2007
7 was released in 2009

Not many people, especially those like us in the business world, would be running the same hardware box for 8+ years. So your price comparison is moot.

And here's another simple fact for you. The only - and I mean only - reason that Apple refuses to open OS X up to the 'PC' world is because people would realize just how much money they are wasting on Mac hardware. The drivers are pretty much all there - which is the most important thing. And these days, you don't even need to use hacked kernels anymore on most intel machines capable of running Lion. There is actually very little that would need to be done for Apple to officially release to the intel PC crowd - AMD is another story and isn't covered in this debate for obvious reasons - and yet they refuse to. And it's very easy to see why.

Not that I blame them or anything, I mean, how could they in their right mind justify charging the insane prices they do for hardware if it becomes widely known public knowledge that their hardware is the same as the hardware I have in my pc?

vdbucks

Oh, and to make 1 point about cost...

My current system cost me upwards of $8,000 all in all. The same specs on a Mac Pro would have ran me twice that much. No matter how much I like OS X, there is no way I can justify - to myself, or business expense - spending twice the money one the same hardware.

Not to mention, that would be 16 new versions of windows before I'd break even on the cost of a Mac pro with the same specs ;)

AdultKing

How long would you be running one then ?

We still have some 24" Core 2 Duo iMac's in the office which we bought in 2006, we might get another year or so out of them. That's 7 or 8 years. They run OS X pretty well, a couple even do video tasks. No need to replace them.

My old Powerbook, which I got 6 years out of, is still running with someone else, it's only running Leopard so might be retired this year. It's an almost 9 year old machine is great condition. The only reason that will be retired is because it wont run Lion (G4 Processor as opposed to Intel in the current Macs).

I still think when you factor in the high cost of Windows and the high cost of support in the business world, you're not that far behind in cost buying a Mac over a Windows PC.

vdbucks

I've never kept a box for more than 3 years. Not because anything failed, but because I like having newer and faster hardware. I likely won't upgrade this box for a while though as it has quite enough power already, but even if I kept this exact hardware set up for 10 years, I still wouldn't come close to saving money on a Mac pro with the same specs from the cost of upgrading windows.

Oh, and about that high cost of support.. yeah, I've never needed to contact microsoft for support, ever. But then, I only use windows for gaming anyway... and I'm not suggesting at all the Windows OS is better than OS X because it's not.

AdultKing

When we had Windows machines, our non technical staff often needed our support guy to come in and fix problems with the network or with the Exchange server or whatever. Since we went 100% Mac he never got called again. It's a big factor.

On a personal level I've had Macs since 1984 - 1995, then went Windows between 1995 - 1999, then back to Mac in 1999 just before OS X came out. OS X was the killer, knowing it was based on NeXTStep was a huge factor from both a development and usability perspective. The only other OS I use is Centos on our servers.

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I was about to order one today but the budget for my new project just went waaaaay up so I am gonna wait and see how things turn out first.