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CrocMint · 11-28-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i already know your reaction but i will say it anyways: putting those girls in jail for what they did is so absolutely ridiculous that i have hardly words for it.

but i also know that "democracy" and "free speech" in Russia has a different meaning and that Russia has different traditions and russian people have different mindsets.

I don't like church and I don't think that these stupid girls deserved something harder than spanking, but i'm really curious what's up there with democracy in US ?

Why don't they let these peaceful protestors express their peaceful democratic protests in the USA? Why did they arrest 7.715 peaceful democratic protestors????
(http://stpeteforpeace.org/occupyarrests.sources.html)
Wasn't it their democratic right to protest or maybe they had to protest in churches to not get arrested?

There's NO democracy anywhere in the world nowadays.

just a punk · 11-29-2012, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i am not interested in another heated discussion about that, but i have not heard in my lifetime that someone actually got sentenced for either defaming the church or having sex in public. maybe a fine, maybe in the absolut worst case probation but in Germany no one goes to jail for either of that.

If you don't know about something that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I've just quoted you the German Criminal Code. It is a Law but not a subject to discussion.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i think some of the things that are going on in Russia are crazy but this is my subjective point of view.

I can say exactly the same about ANY other country including yours, and I'll back it up with the real facts that I consider crazy (e.g. the German censorship).

This is NOT about Germany, but it also looks just crazy and barbarian to me. Perhaps for the US and German people its ok with their "democracy" and "freedom of speech" because the people have different mindsets and consider tasing of 50-year-old woman as a normal thing. Ok on that.

MaDalton · 11-29-2012, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

If you don't know about something that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I've just quoted you the German Criminal Code. It is a Law but not a subject to discussion.

I can say exactly the same about ANY other country including yours, and I'll back it up with the real facts that I consider crazy (e.g. the German censorship).

This is NOT about Germany, but it also looks just crazy and barbarian to me. Perhaps for the US and German people its ok with their "democracy" and "freedom of speech" because the people have different mindsets and consider tasing of 50-year-old woman as a normal thing. Ok on that.

see, that is exactly what i mean...

whenever someone criticizes Russia you start leaping out against everyone else.

the point wasnt what happens in the US, the Wikipedia article about Germany is only valid if you look at 1990 to present anyways and we were speaking about Pussy Riot and what would happen if they did the same over here - the church thing and their "sex thing".

And i told you that those 2 things never would end up in jail for anyone involved in germany. everything else is completely irrelevant in this specific case.

anyways - just read today: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-869970.html

now Russia wants to block all websites that have the Pussy Riot videos - on the other hand Germany is going after websites that promote Neonazi ideology. if you think that is the same from your point of view then go for it. i can agree with Neonazis being blocked even though i really dont care. I dont see any danger personally in the Pussy Riot video - actually the "music" is horrible and a much bigger threat to my ears than the lyrics

just a punk · 11-29-2012, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

see, that is exactly what i mean...

whenever someone criticizes Russia you start leaping out against everyone else.

Very nice position: "let's criticize Russia, but please don't tell anything about my country". Sorry but this won't fly. If you are criticizing another country, prepare to hear the critics on yours.

When you told me that "democracy" and "free speech" in Russia has a different meaning, you have compared it with other countries:

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i am not interested in another heated discussion about that, but i have not heard in my lifetime that someone actually got sentenced for either defaming the church or having sex in public. maybe a fine, maybe in the absolut worst case probation but in Germany no one goes to jail for either of that.

So you have compared my country with Germany and I gave you a quote from the German Criminal Code, which proves that your own Law on Defamation of religions, religious and ideological associations is not better, or even worse.

Why every time when you are starting to criticize Russia (I guess you haven't even been there) and going to compare it with other countries like Germany (note the quote from your own post above), you are getting so nervous when I say "Ok, let's compare Russia with Germany". What's wrong with that?

Man, there is no "democracy" or "free speech". Both are fairy tales for naive people. Some countries are more fucked up with this, other with that. They all are not ideal. The world is not black and white. There is a countless number of shades of gray. Thus it's very stupid to believe into the one-sided news you are reading/watching. The Pussy Riot's story has at least two "truths" and you know only one of them (you can't read the Russian sources, right?) That's not enough for a normal discussion.

Dirty Dane · 11-29-2012, 06:38 AM

Caldo · 11-29-2012, 06:42 AM

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Mmmm i could hang out with her a bit

sperbonzo · 11-29-2012, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Мишаня, это твоя семья на фотографии? Ой вей

I just translated this! LOL I just found this picture on google images, I don't know who's family it is...

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J. Falcon · 11-29-2012, 07:55 AM

Milan_Quantox · 11-29-2012, 08:14 AM

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just a punk · 11-29-2012, 11:51 AM

Just want to repeat that I told here many times already. I'm not a fan of Putin who has one foot in the other world. And I also don't think that a prison time is a just punishment for the girls. I believe a fine or 15 days in jail would be more than enough for them.

However there is a law which can't be discussed. The Pussy Riot performers know they are giving a formal reason to get them imprisoned and they did it consciously. You can't be a revolutionist w/o some kind of a sacrifice. So they got exactly that they were after for.

You saw their song on Red Square: "Putin has pissed himself". It was a political performance against Putin personally, but nobody was punished for that. Why? Because there was no formal reason. The similar performance in church (I'm not a religious man and I don't support the religion of any kind) was openly breaking the law.

BlackCrayon · 11-29-2012, 12:16 PM

i thought all russians were atheists.

just a punk · 11-29-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i thought all russians were atheists.

Most of former Soviet citizens were and they still are.

pornmasta · 11-29-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i thought all russians were atheists.

no, someone decided to replace communism with religion...

pornmasta · 11-29-2012, 12:58 PM

btw what was the name of this old espionage TV serie from the soviet union, it was very psychologic (and probably in black and white, i'm not sure) ?

just a punk · 11-29-2012, 01:11 PM

Which one?

O MARINA · 11-29-2012, 01:12 PM

Pornmasta you are obsessed

pornmasta · 11-29-2012, 01:13 PM

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Which one?

The favorite of your president.
I know he likes spy stuffs

Mutt · 11-29-2012, 01:14 PM

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pornmasta · 11-29-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA

Pornmasta you are obsessed

you live in the same country as Justin Bieber and you dare to call me obsessed ?

O MARINA · 11-29-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

you live in the same country as Justin Bieber and you dare to call me obsessed ?

ORLY
Why who is he anyway?

Where do you live and what do you want from Russians blyat.

pornmasta · 11-29-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA

ORLY
Why who is he anyway?

Where do you live and what do you want from Russians blyat.

i need to be stealthed

andresss · 11-29-2012, 03:48 PM

Welcome to the fan club

vanbest · 11-30-2012, 05:34 AM

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FYI: that guy on background is not drunk. He is a person with a cerebral palsy syndrome. Read more here.

Still funny, you morherfucker?

i didn't knew that, his behaviour was one of a dead drunk, his face looked like one of a person who fell in mud, sorry for naming him "epic motherfucker"; therefore you cannot call me names, but I can do that, you motherfucker

due to your haste do use words you cannot control...

femdomdestiny · 02-11-2013, 05:19 AM

Caldo · 02-11-2013, 08:42 AM

A lot of drunk Russian guys and a few nice looking girls

Dirty F · 02-11-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i am not interested in another heated discussion about that, but i have not heard in my lifetime that someone actually got sentenced for either defaming the church or having sex in public. maybe a fine, maybe in the absolut worst case probation but in Germany no one goes to jail for either of that.

i already know your reaction but i will say it anyways: putting those girls in jail for what they did is so absolutely ridiculous that i have hardly words for it.

but i also know that "democracy" and "free speech" in Russia has a different meaning and that Russia has different traditions and russian people have different mindsets.

so for you the situation might be normal and you personally dont see anything wrong with this.

i think some of the things that are going on in Russia are crazy but this is my subjective point of view.

No point in discussing this with him.
He goes totally nuts if you mention anything bad about Russia. It's pathetic.

Dirty F · 02-11-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Very nice position: "let's criticize Russia, but please don't tell anything about my country".

Wow, you're also a fucking hypocrite of the worst kind.

Annoying prick.

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