Lester Burnham

That sounds awfully like a police state out of V for Vendetta (which is actually on point, as the Brits surrendered to a police state after children died in the comic/movie).

In Washington, we literally have a camera on every corner. Now we get to look forward to federally funded law enforcement patrolling our schools.

And no, I'm not a tin foil right winger living in West Virginia (actually, an Obama voting Dem that owns guns).

tony286

its not taxing the right its taxing the guns,bullets and licenses.

tony286

thats the fantasy

Rochard

Maybe... But that is only a part of the problem. Just because you have a single armed guard doesn't mean he (she) will be able to stop a shooter. In the Columbine, officers showed up at the scene and the killings kept on going.

And this only protects schools - not shopping malls or movies. Or churches.

Then... By the time you require an armed guard to take out a shooter, it's already too late. The damage will have been done. This is like saying "The best way to handle drunk drivers to run them over after they have killed someone".

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Vendzilla

no, i was stating you knew nothing of what the pen was mightier than the sword meant, I know all too well were that saying came from , I had a government teacher that was very enlightening about how people lose their rights and don't even know it.

You're the one that's afraid of citizens using their constitutional right to own a firearm. I'm keeping mine

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TCLGirls

I think you are mistaken:

"The idiom 'the pen is mightier than the sword' means that words and communication are more powerful than wars and fighting."
http://www.usingenglish.com/referenc...the+sword.html

^^^ which is exactly what I said before.

What an odd and strange thing for you to say....given that I own two firearms.

tony286

actually i read they had an armed guard at columbine.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2347096.html

Vendzilla

I'm done for the night, guns aren't the problem, I've been around them my whole life, I have shot just about every kind of gun there is. That's the biggest difference between a liberal and a conservative. America is a great country, liberals want to change that. I don't believe any tax, law or fee that infringes on constitutional rights is warranted. If we give that up, what do you want to give up next? Yeah I don't trust the government, I depend on them as little as I can, anyone that has not seen the rights we have lost over the last decade all in the name of security is blind. Good Night

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think about that

TCLGirls

Prior to the Virgina Tech shooting, the school also had a security force that was described as "like a swat team"...didn't do crap.

Vendzilla

The pen is mightier than the sword" is a metonymic adage coined by English author Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1839 for his play Richelieu; Or the Conspiracy

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think about that

TCLGirls

No one here is debating where the phrase "came from".

What I am telling you is what the phrase means.

I already told you the phrase means that communication with people, and winning their minds, is more powerful than fighting people.

bronco67

That press conference was nothing more than an empty husk of a human being acting like a grumpy asshole for 20 minutes. Way to go NRA.

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Si

Even worse? Or atleast evidence that it won't do anything?

Kind of like putting up a barrier on a dangerous bit of road but making it out of cardboard.

Si

You don't know what the phrase means, and you're trying to compare a sword to a gun.

Rochard

I heard that on the news tonight and I couldn't confirm it, and I've long since learned that you never post anything on GFY unless you've checked and doubled checked.

Some people seem to think that having a firearm is the solution to all problems. It is not. It just means that you are armed and have the potential to fire back. It does not mean you will have the balls to fire back, and it does not mean if you fire back you will hit anything.

Everyone thinks they are James Bond and can hit moving targets at 30 yards. Way too many people play Call Of Duty.

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Max Potential

Not necessarily true...

Gun-related violent crimes drop as sales soar in Va.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/lo...9bb30f31a.html

"Gun-related violent crime in Virginia has dropped steadily over the past six years as the sale of firearms has soared to a new record, according to an analysis of state crime data with state records of gun sales."

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NewNick

This really is a non argument. Saying something is difficult is not a reason to do nothing.

How many guns do you think there was in circulation in Europe after WWII ended ?

If you have the political will to fix a problem, you can fix it.

Lots of people like you thought that Obama did not have the political will to fix your healthcare system, as a second term president he now has the opportunity to fix your gun problem. I sincerely hope he fixes it for you as you dont seem to have the intelligence to see how you being manipulated by the gun industry.

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travs

what dafuq??

Minte

Another self proclaimed genius chimes in. Why are there so many intellectuals here that don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

Vendzilla

Funny you should say that as I have seen many cops that had terrible aim at the range.

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think about that

Vendzilla

You're a mental midget aren't you?
I stated exactly what it means, can't believe no one gets it?
The pen is mightier than the sword (A Sword is a weapon just like a gun is a weapon dip shit ) and in the play, the cardinal used the power of the pen to remove the power of the Musketeers. Try reading something besides a fucking cereal box shit for brains

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think about that

Vendzilla

And I said anything different? Except in the original text, it was used as sarcasm in that it was used to take away the sword that protected the crown.

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think about that

DWB

While it would not cut down on crime whatsoever, the money collected from licensing and registering firearms, along with a hefty tax, could possibly help pay for the security that is obviously needed in gun free zones.

And before any of you gun nuts start crying about gun tax, whatever you are paying for guns in the USA, we pay 2x - 5x more here in Thailand for the same gun to due their import taxes, tax on firearms in general, and mark-up based on popularity and brand. A basic 12g Mossberg 500 can run well over $1000 - $1500 USD here. Those who can afford guns here, buy them. Those who can't afford them steal them and... wait for it... make their own.

DWB

They clearly were not properly trained or prepared. If they are going to have guards, they need to be well trained, cover all entrances and exits, and be prepared at all times. This included metal detectors and security at every entry point, and roaming patrols.

Too much? Perhaps. But ask the parents who lost children at Shady Hook or Columbine if it would have been too much. I don't have kids in school who need to be protected, so I'm really not one to say what is enough or not. Best to ask those who lost loved ones during shootings what they think. They should be the voice of reason during these gun debates, not those who speak on behalf of the gun industry.

Si

Wow what a pathetic attempt to defend yourself. In your case the sword would be mightier, because you don't seem to be able to form an arguement based on facts.

The meaning and origin of the saying ? The pen is mightier than the sword?
Definitions abound, but all allude to the same principle that it is more sensible to resolve a conflict by the use of words and communication rather than by physical conflict and confrontation.

This saying is attributed in this form by all sources to Edward Bulwer-Lytton, 1839, from his play Richelieu.

Verbatim
? Beneath the rule of men entirely great,
The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
The arch-enchanters wand! - itself a nothing! -
But taking sorcery from the master-hand
To paralyse the Caesars, and to strike
The loud earth breathless! - Take away the sword -
States can be saved without it!?

The concept of communication rather than confrontation as a method of resolving conflicts has been around for many many years, but worded somewhat differently.
Here are a few examples.

Euripides 400+ BC ? The tongue is mightier than the blade.....?

Prophet Muhammad ? The ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr...?

Shakespeare 1600 ?Many wearing rapiers are afraid of goosequills?

Cicero ?arms yield to persuasion?

This, is however, not a philosophy adopted by all, as the numbers of current global conflicts bear witness to. On the other side..

?Actions speak louder than words?

Terry Pratchett ? Only if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp?

General MacArthur ?Whoever thinks the pen is mightier than the sword clearly has never encountered automatic weapons?

I'd say you've taken the phrase out of context to be honest. Some interesting rebuttles aswell.

Mutt

It's can't be debated that the 2nd Amendment gives the citizens the right to own a gun - when it was written the times were very different, protecting your person, your family and property and yes, defending yourself against your own government - the founding fathers weren't that confident that what they set up would work/last. and it didn't, a Civil War was fought.

BUT............... while the Amendment does give citizens the right to bear arms, it doesn't say you have the right to bear ALL or ANY arms. Supreme Court has held that states can legislate restrictions on gun/arms ownership.

What happens when we start producing incredible high tech guns - guns that have guided bullets that can go down your street, turn the corner, travel cross town, and right through your cheating girlfriend's window? NRA will defend ownership of them.

Defending yourself and your family, your property - a shotgun or handgun will do the job.

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Vendzilla

Again, I had the LA riots, the AR was perfect as a deterrent. They have bullets that go around corners, they are little grenades that explode as they pass the corner sending fragments in all directions, thus going around corners.

The supreme court also ruled that some states have gone too far, like the ban on any firearms in DC which was lifted

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think about that

BlackCrayon

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Let's imagine for a moment that I support the idea of guns in schools, which I do not.

I don't understand it from a logistics standpoint.

My local school is small. As in around 100 kids per grade. The entire thing, K-12, is in a single locked-down campus. You can walk through it all and not go outside. I'm guessing that on average, it is a lot smaller school district than many in the country.

So let's say that we decided that an armed guard was the route to go. And he's there, and he's over in the wing where the kindergarten is. Way on the other side of the school, a high schooler comes in tardy, buzzing in through the only entrance they can come in. The office buzzes him in, he enters, takes his gun out, and starts firing into the nearest classroom.

How has having someone armed helped? Yes, the guard will eventually get there. But enough time will have passed that lots of kids are going to dead. And the guard may well take out the shooter out, and prevent more deaths.

But I can't see how that makes it better for the kids that got killed in the time that it took for the guard to get there.

I have considered that the idea of an armed guard being there might deter the shooter in the first place. But is that realistic? I don't know that people who go in to do a mass shooting think rationally, or if they do, have real expectations that they will come out alive and get away.

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Vendzilla

stay out of our conversations, you are clearly ill equipped mentally for it. What was said was the PEN is Mightier than the Sword, the first time it was said was in the play I quoted and the cardinal that used the pen to disarm the crown, give me your address so I can get you a copy of hooked on phonics moron!

What a fucking idiot, first you try to bash me for trying to compare a sword to a gun, then you post famous quotes doing just that, go play in the street!

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think about that

Vendzilla

no, not realistic, they want to baby proof the world

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think about that

selena

Okay, thanks.

I feel pretty strongly about what I believe. But I am also willing to listen to the other side to see if I'm missing something. I just can't see how that is a good idea.

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Max Potential

He/they would probably still get there faster than the other guys that would be called on the phone who would then have to drive to get there.

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selena

Agreed. But that does not mean that there is not going to be lots of deaths before he gets there.

And I say that assuming perfect conditions...that we have a real, trained cop/ex-military...not some wanna-be-cop.

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PornoMonster

Fuck that cheating HOE.. HAHA
While NONE of this would of stopped what just happened, we do need a few new things.
One big one, I am for is the qualification on said weapon once or every other year!

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Max Potential

No question, but there might be a lot MORE otherwise.

You are never going to get perfect conditions, but I like the approach that TX is thinking;

"The rules that the school board voted unanimously on are also very strict. For teachers to carry a pistol, they must have a Texas license to carry a concealed handgun, must be authorized to carry by the district, must receive training in crisis management and hostile situations, and must only carry ammunition designed to minimize the risk of ricocheting bullets, which is what air marshals do on airplanes."

http://www.inquisitr.com/448340/gun-...-carry-permit/

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PornoMonster

It doesn't make it better for the kids that did die. While some people think a Ban would of made the crazy person not bring the AR-15, it would not.

It took the Police 20 MINUTES to arrive at the school.
He had 2 handguns with plenty of ammo that he could of fired a hundred rounds in 20 minutes.

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Vendzilla

the band wagon will pass, people will lose interest. Right now, unemployment is way up, prison population is the highest in the world, no one here can say what countries we are actively attacking right now for sure, more drugs are coming over the border than ever before. We have a government with no real leadership. ( 528 million dollars spent on the Fisker electric cars which ended up employing 500 finnish workers for a car no one can afford while the Fiat company without stimulus money will release the 500e late next year that will go a reported 100 miles on one charge )people are still losing their homes ( 1 in every 728 homes went into foreclosure this year)

What I'm trying to get to is the world is fucked up, losing freedoms because someone wasn't responsible or went on a killing spree is not the answer. They don't represent the responsible gun owners in the US. There are a lot of them. This forum is heavy leaning liberal and that's ok. But for all the things they want to change about the US, they don't realize how good things are right now.

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Rochard

Armed guards at school is not a solution at all. They had armed guards at Columbine and fifteen kids died and another twenty-one were shot and injured.

Then factor in that any kid who ever attended school there or any parent who attended school there knows the school layout and security procedures, well, it would be pretty easy to walk in and cause a riot.

The school that was attacked had a locked door and you had to show ID. And? Showing your ID to bluff your way into a school is easy enough.

The worst part is... My kid's school is like a prison. It has a ten foot tall iron fence with three access points. Easy for an adult to get in - pull up your car next to the gate and climb on over - but fucking impossible for a 12 year old kid to leave.

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Rochard

So you are saying that cops have bad aim but rent-a-cops would be much better.

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ThunderBalls

You're exactly the reason guns should be regulated. You make Johnnyclips seem like a genius you senile old fuck.

Rochard

The 2nd Amendment was written for a number of reasons... In fact, the government expected it's armed citizens to protect the government by suppressing insurrection and repelling invasion. It was also meant for self defense, but this was in a time when law enforcement barely existed and was usually hours away. These items are no longer issues - we have law enforcement and we have a massive military force that insures we will never be invaded.

I have an assault rifle - An AR15. For the love of god, why does anyone need this? To hunt rabbits?

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Vendzilla

quit making things up, never said anything about rent a cops. Rent a cops are usually limited on size of ammo and a 38 won't always put down someone.

I think it's pretty bad that we as a nation have to even talk about putting protection at our schools. the government just gets bigger, taxes go up because the government needs to waste more money on things that don't work. I mean you think the Pope is safe in that funny car of his? A 50 BMG would go right thru that. That's what that round was made for.
the world is messed up, making it baby proof is NOT going to make it better

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Max Potential

Wait, so you have an AR15, but you think no one else should be able to?

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Vendzilla

I hear a lot of opinion, but no substance, try again when you're ready.

BTW, moron, my guns are either registered or handed down, hence they are regulated, where did I say they shouldn't be regulated? Senility would be where you imagine things that aren't there right? Like you thinking I'm for not regulating guns. That would be irresponsible.

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think about that

Max Potential

"That?s right, but it isn?t like the deputy was sitting around eating doughnuts during the Columbine massacre. He traded fire (that is, he drew fire) with Harris for an extended period of time, during which Harris?s gun jammed. The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before the SWAT teams and the rest of the cavalry arrived, and before Harris and Klebold killed themselves in the library. Harris and Klebold had an assault plan ? a sloppy plan, but a plan nonetheless. They had dozens of IEDs, some of which detonated, others of which did not. And there were two of them. In this highly chaotic tactical environment, the deputy acted both bravely and prudently, and who knows how many lives he saved by engaging Harris."

Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...daniel-foster#

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Minte

That's it?

Everytime I log on to this board I hear from someone how smart they are. And anyone that doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Why haven't any of you geniuses done anything with that superior intellect.

Max Potential

From the same article as mentioned above;

"At Newtown, Lanza was delayed from entering the school?s main entrance, and had to shoot his way in through a security window. His tactics were far less sophisticated than Harris? and Klebold?s. It?s not implausible to think, afforded the time to respond by Lanza?s delay at the front door, an armed officer could have put him down before he began killing in earnest. Not a guarantee, but far from implausible."

Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...daniel-foster#

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BlackCrayon

Who is calling themselves geniuses? You won't find me calling anyone an idiot if they don't agree with me. I can't speak for everyone but its typically people for the status quo who get the most upset. I am just running my business and come here to break up the work day.

A difference in opinion and solutions doesn't mean superior intellect. You are attaching that to it. You have made numerous comments in the past that its too 'blue collar' here and basically infer that those who aren't as successful as yourself couldn't or shouldn't have good ideas and contributions. Thats what the video was for, to show you how silly that is.

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tony286

Bingo it wasn't to rise up. It was to protect the government.