Cunning Negotiation Tactic or Delusion?

[wehateporn]

Thoughts please

Let's make this story quick:-

1. Bought nice wheels with tyres at scrap yard

2. Didn't fit properly, scrap yard guy took a while to find replacements

A Week Later

3. Went to collect wheels, scrapyard man acted like he had done me a big favor by taking the wheels of his own car, so now apparently his car has no wheels.

4. Asks me if he can have my current wheels once I've switched over, he didn't offer money for them, seemed to as good as assume he could have them.

He's not getting the wheels I want them as spares, but what I find can't work out is if he thinks it's normal to be able to take my old wheels off me free of charge i.e. deluded, or he this is some kind of subtle negotiation tactic where you first start by seeing if you can get something for free, despite the fact you know that it's completely unreasonable? If I was in his shoes I would have made a fair offer if I wanted the wheels.

Is he a) Deluded, b) a Cunning Fox or c) Something I haven't thought of yet?

[Sly]

It's a junkyard. In my experience, it's take it as it is. Seems like he went out of his way to help you out?

[deltav]

He must be a Rothschild.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sly

It's a junkyard. In my experience, it's take it as it is. Seems like he went out of his way to help you out?

I paid $300 for some wheels, it turned out they didn't quite fit, now his story is that he's given me his own wheels, but this is not something I can verify, it would also have been his own choice if they were his own wheels, he could have refunded me if he wished. I'm wondering if the "it's from my own car" is a sales/negotiation tactic he uses or if it's a true story.

From my point of view I've purchased the wheels, so I find it strange that now he's acting like we're buddies and should be doing each other favors.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by deltav

He must be a Rothschild.

He's only a mere millionaire, not trillionaire

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by deltav

He must be a Rothschild.

If he were a Rothschild he would have shot the OP and framed a worker, then taken all of his money, stripped his car and re-sold everything and put on repeat cycle. Come on dude, give the Rothschild family credit where due.

[TheSquealer]

Interesting ... Why do you think he has you pegged for being a dipshit? Can you tell us his GFY nickname?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I paid $300 for some wheels, it turned out they didn't quite fit, now his story is that he's given me his own wheels, but this is not something I can verify, it would also have been his own choice if they were his own wheels, he could have refunded me if he wished. I'm wondering if the "it's from my own car" is a sales/negotiation tactic he uses or if it's a true story.

From my point of view I've purchased the wheels, so I find it strange that now he's acting like we're buddies and should be doing each other favors.

People often feel entitled. I'm sure you have come over this attitude through your never-ending YouTube research.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

If he were a Rothschild he would have shot the OP and framed a worker, then taken all of his money, stripped his car and re-sold everything and put on repeat cycle. Come on dude, give the Rothschild family credit where due.

Fair point Captain K

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Interesting ... Why do you think he has you pegged for being a dipshit?

This is my own instinct, that he assumes I'm dumb enough to fall for this, but I would like to be sure of that. I've seen when others haggle with him, he's never once brought the price down, he doesn't budge.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sly

People often feel entitled. I'm sure you have come over this attitude through your never-ending YouTube research.

Yes, for sure, saw it early on in my school days, there's a lot of it where I was brought up in a snobby Southern English town.

[Socks]

I bet the old wheels are something that normally has very little to no value to the average car owner once they get new ones, and it's something that does have value to him as he can resell them, use them etc. So surely a tactic to get something for himself. The story about his own car is likely to butter you up and make you feel guilty/compelled in some way.

If you want the wheels keep them, and just don't let his story affect you.

However, if he has done work for you and you feel like you'd be ripping off his time, perhaps there's some other way to make it back up to him.

I think a blowjob would square things away quite nicely. He probably won't even accept, so it's sort of a bluff play to save face on the guilt factor.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Socks

I bet the old wheels are something that normally has very little to no value to the average car owner

Agreed

Originally Posted by Socks

and it's something that does have value to him as he can resell them

He can get $150 for them

Originally Posted by Socks

The story about his own car is likely to butter you up and make you feel guilty/compelled in some way.

This is what I'm thinking too Socks, he's got so many wheels in that scrap yard, cars coming in all the time, I find it hard to believe I've got his wheels and that he's now left helpless. It did also make me feel guilty/compelled when he told the story

Originally Posted by Socks

If you want the wheels keep them, and just don't let his story affect you.

For sure, they're mine. I am still letting the story affect me a bit as I am generally good fair guy who does people favors/deals, if I know it's complete BS then I can put it out of my mind. That must be why I've decided to post it here.

Originally Posted by Socks

However, if he has done work for you and you feel like you'd be ripping off his time, perhaps there's some other way to make it back up to him.

All he has done is sold me wheels, nothing else, he has needed a lot of nagging, he has a disorganized way of working.

Originally Posted by Socks

I think a blowjob would square things away quite nicely. He probably won't even accept, so it's sort of a bluff play to save face on the guilt factor.

His hobby is chariot racing, I'm not going to risk that offer

[wehateporn]

By the way, well summed up their Socks

[Tom_PM]

Illuminati conspiracy endorsed by Putin to hold off WW7.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Illuminati conspiracy endorsed by Putin to hold off WW7.

The scrapyard man does look like a Russian Oligarch come to think about it Tom

[_Richard_]

absolutely not? why would your tires fit on his car, if they don't fit on yours?

there is something valuable there.. could be you could work a deal the other way

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

absolutely not? why would your tires fit on his car, if they don't fit on yours?

there is something valuable there.. could be you could work a deal the other way

It would seem like a bizarre coincidence that the only suitable wheels he had out of hundreds of cars were from his own car.

When he showed interest in the wheels, I was going to ask him to make an offer, but then I realized that with the tone and body language he was using it would likely cause offense. (taking him at face-value)

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It would seem like a bizarre coincidence that the only suitable wheels he had out of hundreds of cars were from his own car.

When he showed interest in the wheels, I was going to ask him to make an offer, but then I realized that with the tone and body language he was using it would likely cause offense. (taking him at face-value)

it's just sales pressure, make the offer

if he gets upset, thank him for the tires and walk away.. however i don't think you'd be getting far

this is a classic 'moron doesn't know what he has'.. however that's BC bs

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

it's just sales pressure, make the offer

if he gets upset, thank him for the tires and walk away.. however i don't think you'd be getting far

this is a classic 'moron doesn't know what he has'.. however that's BC bs

I don't tend to engage in those types of negotiations, I only go for what's fair from the start, otherwise there's no trust. I think you're right that he was assuming/hoping I was dumb and would give up the tyres easily.

[lagcam]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I don't tend to engage in those types of negotiations, I only go for what's fair from the start, otherwise there's no trust. I think you're right that he was assuming/hoping I was dumb and would give up the tyres easily.

Well you were buying tyres from a scrap yard, so it's not exactly an unreasonable assumption on his part is it?

[deltav]

Thing is - couldn't you have gotten a brand new set with full warranty, and decent service without a shady scrap guy, for just a bit more than that $300 you spent if you'd shopped around for a sale? I'd think that extra 200-300 bucks is worth avoiding the hassle not to mention having a warranty.

[DTK]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

now his story is that he's given me his own wheels

And if you believe that, you're the kind of sucker which believes everything happens according to what we were taught in 8th grade civics class

[BaliPimp]

this reads like a Seinfeld skit

[baddog]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I paid $300 for some wheels, it turned out they didn't quite fit, now his story is that he's given me his own wheels, but this is not something I can verify, it would also have been his own choice if they were his own wheels, he could have refunded me if he wished. I'm wondering if the "it's from my own car" is a sales/negotiation tactic he uses or if it's a true story.

From my point of view I've purchased the wheels, so I find it strange that now he's acting like we're buddies and should be doing each other favors.

So, you go to a wrecking yard, buy some used parts that don't fit and you put the blame/responsibility on him?

You would not last a minute in the real world.

[kane]

I have only purchased new wheels twice, but both times the old wheels were kind of old and average the tire place acted like they were just going to keep them. The first time I did this I paid the tire place to put my tires on the new wheels and put them on car. They did so. When I was getting ready to pay them I told them to just put the old wheels in the trunk and they looked at me like I was speaking Klingon. I think they just assumed they wee keeping them. I then told them I wanted to keep them to use for snow tires.

The second time as I was picking out the new wheels they offered to "recycle" my old wheels free of charge.

The bottom line is they are your wheels, you don't owe him anything, but if you feel he went above and beyond for you and you have no use for those old wheels it might be a nice gesture to let them keep them.