Jel

As per title. Why is a mobile paysite customer worth less to an affiliate than a non-mobile customer? Or is this just another way to nick a few dollars from affiliates?

klinton

not so easy to rebill it ?

wouter112

Mobile is so hot, because the conversion rate is much higher versus desktop, One major reason for this is; the payment flow. the payment flow is much (user) friendly with mobile.
For mobile you have mobile content billing (MCB) the advantage is that you don't need to give any details or even a credit card isn't needed. Just one click at the confirm button will do the job! Also premium SMS billing is hot nowadays on mobile.

The PPS would be in general lower, because the money that is spend on mobile is lower. Usually are these subscriptions rebilled every week. But if you are not satisfied with the PPS commission you should go for revenue share. In general the revenue will be higher on longterm.

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Jel

well purely as an example, using Brazzers - CC is needed, rebills etc as per 'normal' surfers (as far as I can tell, though I may be wrong and need correcting).

You send surfer, brazzers auto-detects if that is a mobile user, and you get $25pps as opposed to $30pps.

I'm not seeing the reason for this $5 less per sale, and am curious enough today that I've been bothered enough to ask

Rebel D

I thought it was always lower because the cost to bill phones was higher.

ravo

This makes no sense. If the long term revenue from a mobile customer is higher, than the PPS should be higher as well.

That was my assumption as well, especially when billed through the mobile carrier.

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CamTraffic

You can't do that in the US...

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I'm thinking this is it. I'll explain. $35 or $30 PPS has been the standard for over 15 years. If they dropped it on normal customers they might get a lot of affiliates getting upset. Enter the mobile explosion somewhere around 2008. By then affiliates were already in decline and now they don't care as much so they give less and they know they can get away with it. With mobile projected to rise it's a clever way to cut out affiliates even more.

It's the same thing for why affiliates don't get money on ccbill programs under revshare for cross sales or why it's okay to collect email addresses and sell other programs without paying the affiliate anything. Or all the other bullshit. It's because they can. As the affiliate model in adult declined it only got worse as the sponsors increasingly decided they could get away with more.

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Jel

well to be fair, I can see why you don't get cross sells revenue on revshare, and collect email addys, and so on.

What I'm not understanding is why for the same revenue from the surfer, I'm getting $5 less. I wouldn't get 33.5% on revshare for mobile surfers, so why am I getting 16.5% less on a PPS, from 30 > 25?

Unless I'm missing something, of course. Weird though that dating pay extra for mobile joins, and paysites pay less for them

CourtneyR

we don't

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Your explanation makes sense

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arock10

There is a difference between joining a site on a mobile phone and paying with a credit card and joining via SMS billing

But as people said, lower per sale amount but better conversion ratios

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KillerK

The reason is very simple.

Nobody complains about the lower pay, so why not make more profit.

_Richard_

lower membership prices..

Due

Without knowing their business plan I'd say it's because the screen is smaller so you do not have the same chance to sell extra services, collect e-mails, add popu popups etc.
That's things the affiliate programs usually expect a certain level of revenues from. They are not easy to implement into your mobile strategy.

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wouter112

[QUOTE=ravo;19940693]This makes no sense. If the long term revenue from a mobile customer is higher, than the PPS should be higher as well.


This do make sense, because at PPS you take as an affiliate no risks at all and it's kind of prepaid basis. Quick win on short time. It's no shame if you promote like this, it's just like this.

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Jel

this makes sense

stephane76

I think you nailed it right there
No cross sells or up sell via mobile (that I have seen)
We offer the same rev-share % age on both platforms

Jel

bump to find out why this is still the case in 2017 with certain programs. Not buying the small real estate one here in 2017, and also curious as to whether programs are classing tablets as 'mobile devices'.

Bladewire

Too late now, it's been 3 years and most affiliates are settled into that price point unfortunately. You think they'll start paying affiliates more?

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Klen

I think that is because majority of programs are not "mobile friendly" , meaning their content is not optimized for mobile view hence it's not same experience as on desktop.

TheSquealer

generally speaking, conversion ratios are much better, quality a little lower. you still come out ahead. mobile generally pays less for anything.. dating, adult sites etc. People aren't really in "buy mode" when screwing around with their phone. they could be sitting in traffic or killing time somewhere... so they'll be quicker to enter an email for a dating site in the moment - just to browse profiles... but some will forget about it later for example.

regardless of what anyone says, mobile is now the new standard. passing pc in google search etc..

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Nickatilynx

Jel , mate,

Quick History Lesson :

90s payouts were low.

I was a whale doing over 200 joins a day so I got special deals.

$45.00 per join from Cybererotica for example. 6 figure prepay each month from Scottpb Serge etc etc.

So...one day ,one of my mentors , Fantasyman , and I were chatting and I ran this idea past him:

"How about you treat my members at netp***.... as one super whale. Collective Bargaining. I will then wrangle them and get them to send you traffic."

Fantasyman went for it.

Every other major program then had to raise their rates to compete with CE.

Didn't go great for the programs actually , lol , but went great for affiliates lol (Fantasyman ripped me a new one in fact LOL )

(no need for all you affils to thank me) ;)

Here's the thing...bottomline...speak to a shot caller and say "If I send you (enter number here) a month can you up the rate?"

All they can say is "No" or "fuck no"...then try their competitors

ok...all of you really should thank me. ;)

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Pornopat

Interesting. What kind of percentage difference are you seeing more or less?
Does it justify a difference in payout of 40$ for desktop vs 25$ for mobile signups?

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Barry-xlovecam

I cannot disclose any specific numbers but they are less than half

We are selling pay by the minute or pre paid packages of credits -- for cams on demand. VOD would be similar (I suppose).
A flat rate pay site is another proposition entirely.
Hard to say based on empirical evidence for me.

I think a lower price-point might help. Maybe, a first time introductory deal. If the added volume justifies the price point. There needs to be a 'porn wallet' especially for mobile use. A pre-paid account that is portable site to site -- this would help out a lot IMHO. A OAuth merchant pay page -- ease of access and favorable price point.

You would have to look at your mobile customer churn rate to determine the fair customer acquisition commission to pay out. I don't have those pay site specific numbers ...

This is why to my thinking Tablets are a much better market than phones. Tablet users are spending a lot more money online than mobile phone users in general (on a per user basis) this is what I have seen from what I read in Forester and other industry sources.

People check things out on mobile phones and come back to buy on tablets and PCs a lot. So, I think mobile is a branding and marketing tool as well as a user (subscriber - payor) method.

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If you don't like the terms, don't promote them. It really is that simple.

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Paul Markham

A company pays out the minimum it can to keep affiliates happy, build a good product and make a profit.

An affiliate promotes the sites with the best ROI.

So if either are unhappy they adapt of die.

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Bladewire

Did you fail to adapt, or just evolve to something outside adult?

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Pornopat

Thanks for the great feedback.

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