VideosZ stole our money

[Alex Prototype]

Dear partners,

We?ve been working with VideosZ on cross-sales for our Per-Signup program for nearly a year and everything seemed to be running smoothly. Then our password just stopped working and the only response we got after sending you several messages was that there was some kind of fraud on our account.

We would like to point out that our traffic comes from numerous adverts(webmasters) and we have no control over it. That?s why we believe there could have been a certain number of moneybacks, not actual fraud, which is quite normal for this type of traffic. We run a few sites of our own and know this is not something unusual in this sphere of online business.

Unfortunately we didn?t receive any more responses to our written requests and were not able to withdraw the money still remaining on our partner account. We would like to use this opportunity to draw your attention to this problem and find a way to solve it to our mutual benefit.

Best regards.
Cash Maniacs Team.

[Markul]

Parking here.

[xNetworx]

Closing an account for fraud is not stealing money

[Alex Prototype]

Originally Posted by CamBoss

Closing an account for fraud is not stealing money

Did u read what I wrote?

We didn't work with our own traffic. It just was the traffic of our affiliates.

[Bryan G]

Alex can you contact me please, have something for you I think.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Alex Prototype

Did u read what I wrote?

We didn't work with our own traffic. It just was the traffic of our affiliates.

Unless I am missing something I would say most people hold you responsible for your affiliates activity.

Also if they wanted to rip you off it seems they would leave your account open and just not pay you.

[DlxClem]

Hey,

we had a huge amount of fraud through your account and very little volume - the account was closed and the sales you got all were refunded to the customers for chargeback prevention. So we're not stealing any money ... we've been paying our webmasters/partners since we started in 1999 and we're not going anywhere.

[Alex Prototype]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Unless I am missing something I would say most people hold you responsible for your affiliates activity.

Also if they wanted to rip you off it seems they would leave your account open and just not pay you.

No, you are wrong..

Mostly simply to say "fraud" and not pay with pokerface

BTW, without ANY warning! So all that time they got money from us

[Alex Prototype]

Originally Posted by DlxClem

Hey,
and very little volume - the account was closed

Yeah..its good and the main reason to close account without payments

[Lichen]

GFY yourself russian scum

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by CamBoss

Closing an account for fraud is not stealing money

Exactly. How is refunding money to someone from a chargeback 'stealing' from anyone? It sounds like affiliate(s) of Cash Maniacs sent traffic that generated chargebacks and got paid by Cash Maniacs before Cash Maniacs got paid, without Cash Maniacs knowing that their affiliate(s) sales were going to chargeback.... If that is what happened, it seems that Cash Maniacs' affiliate(s) are the ones stealing, and Cash Maniacs ought to go get back any money they prepaid those affiliate(s).

[kristin]

Did you look into the sales of your affiliates? Were they fraud?

You claim it's not you but your affiliates, so I hope you'd shut down their account to prevent any more fraud if it is happening.

And giving the money back to the customer to prevent chargebacks is one of the more honest ways ... most companies wouldn't have done that or given you the money.

[Alex Prototype]

You all do not understand..it wasn't fraud..it was just usuall % of refunds

if videosz didn't like this..they did must say us about this..to ask to stop traffic, pay last money and that's all...stop to do bussiness together...that is correct relationship

[30SalesPlus]

They refunded the sales, so there was no money. VideosZ doesn't rip people off.

[Alex Prototype]

When I saw our stats last time (about 1,5 month ago) all sales were ok..without refunds

[TonyJ]

Always sad

[SlammedMedia]

Originally Posted by Alex Prototype

Did u read what I wrote?

We didn't work with our own traffic. It just was the traffic of our affiliates.

This is your own problem. It's like saying I funded a drug ring, but I didn't sell any drugs myself...so why should I get in trouble?

[Relentless]

Thread title would be better if it said: "Affiliates Stole Money And VideosZ Refunded Customers"

[Black All Through]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Thread title would be better if it said: "Affiliates Stole Money And VideosZ Refunded Customers"

I totally agree!

[Mike Dutch]

Videoz runs a tight ship for almost a decade, the wont fuck anyone over for $$$, the passed that station a while ago.

[Fucking myself]

Originally Posted by Alex Prototype

You all do not understand..it wasn't fraud..it was just usuall % of refunds

if videosz didn't like this..they did must say us about this..to ask to stop traffic, pay last money and that's all...stop to do bussiness together...that is correct relationship

Yep ! Definitely Russian. So let me get this straight, A Russian webmaster is accusing a US company of fraud ??!! Have we entered the twilight zone ?

[sandman!]

[stevesonic]

I can't speak more highly about the company, and their team. I have worked with them for years, continue to every day, and hope to will for years to come. IMO some of the best guys in the biz.

I don't know Cash Maniacs, but if VideosZ says there is fraud, then there is fraud. With my experience and the sheer volume of business I have done, and do, I'm behind VideosZ all the way.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Alex Prototype

Did u read what I wrote?

We didn't work with our own traffic. It just was the traffic of our affiliates.

You can't be serious

[nikki99]

[American Psycho]

Thread fail.

[nosey]

[ls101]

Don't you did not understand. VideosZ does not make any money anymore since they refund all your sales.

[BAKO]

Originally Posted by Alex Prototype

Did u read what I wrote?

We didn't work with our own traffic. It just was the traffic of our affiliates.

U need to regulate them. They fucked up your name

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by DlxClem

Hey,

we had a huge amount of fraud through your account and very little volume - the account was closed and the sales you got all were refunded to the customers for chargeback prevention. So we're not stealing any money ... we've been paying our webmasters/partners since we started in 1999 and we're not going anywhere.

Yes

Sounds fair.

Alex Prototype it sounds like one of your affiliates is up to no good. My advise would be to sort this out otherwise other programes will also close your accounts and others may refuse to let you sign up.

Alex Prototype unless I am wrong it sounds like you accept that the sales may not be 100% legit but your saying becase you did not send them but a 3rd party its not your fault. I wonder what you would sugest VideosZ does in this situation? If the roles were reversed would you carry on paying out and happy with the banks getting anoyed and thinking your business is doing somthing dodgy. Or would you close the account down? I personaly think VideosZ had no option.

My thought is if you were an affiliate of mine I would be closing your account too if I read this thread as I would not want the bank asking me why so many sales were charged back. I would think if VideosZ alowed this to carry on that there bank may have closed there account.

[DVTimes]

Also Alex, one presumes if they are cross-sales then mythought is people are signing up to your site but also (withought them knowing) signing up to other sites and when they do they get anoyed and demand a re-fund.

This is one sugestion.

Perhaps its not your affiliates that are to blame but simply that people are being tricked into signing up to sites that they did not want to.

Unless i am wrong your sites are ccbill and as such i wonder if when people sign up via cross sales do your affilites make any money from this or is it simply direct to you?

If this is the case then i am suprised ccbill do not close your account as i would have thought they would get complaints.

[DVTimes]

Alex out of interest how have you set the cross sales up?

I have looked at a few of your sites, all seem to be ccbill but on the sign up form i do not see any cross sales info.

[iSpyCams]

It's 2014, time to move on from cross sales.

[anexsia]

You're responsible for your affiliates, if they sent large amounts of fraud then it's your job to watch out for that and deal with it swiftly.